RE: Vitamin D levels - and oral absorption of other supplements

Hello Ian
 
I am glad to hear that Sue is doing better and it is great that someone hasbeen able to get to the bottom of the problem she has been having. Can I ask you did she get these intravenous infusions from her GP or did she go toa private nutritionist or other practicioner? and did that person recognise her ES and advise this nutritional programme to help to treat it? I only ask because I have been trying to sort out my own supplement regimen without any medical input [I don't really know who to turn to in all of this] anddon't know whether any of it is doing any good since I could well have problems with absorption.Any advice or information you could give me would be very much appreciated.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph

--- On Fri, 30/1/09, Ian Kemp <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Ian Kemp <[hidden email]>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Vitamin D levels - and oral absorption of other supplements
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, 30 January, 2009, 11:22 AM






If one's gut or digestive system is not working properly, oral
supplementation of all sorts of vitamins and nutrients even at high levels
may be ineffective because they simply do not get out of the gut into the
bloodstream.

To quote Sue's case (as usual) - her magnesium and glutathione levels, and
various other items, were desperately low despite long-term oral
supplementation, and she tested positive for leaky gut syndrome.
Intravenous infusions were the only way that the levels could be got up. As
her liver function has improved, she has been able to take a wider range of
medication without side effects. In the last few months she has been taking
special digestive enzymes and phosphatidyl choline, which she could not
tolerate before. These in turn seem to have improved her digestion
capability and gut integrity, such that oral supplementation with reduced
glutathione and magnesium sulphate (Epsom salts) now appear to be working
and she has not needed infusions for 3 months. She is also beginning to be
able to eat dairy products and chocolate again in moderation - first time
for 4 years that this has not given noticeable side effects.

Ian

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javamdnss@aol. com
Sent: 30 January 2009 05:36
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [eSens] Vitamin D levels

How can they possibly be in the bottom range of acceptable if you've been
taking that much Vit. D for months??
How much did the test cost? I'm assuming insurance didn't cover it?
Thanks for getting back to us about it Marc!
Amy

marc@ufoseries. <mailto:marc% 40ufoseries. com> com writes:

Okay, I got my blood tests back -- my Vitamin D levels
were in the acceptable range, but they were at the
very bottom of the acceptable range. And I had been
taking Vitamin D3 tablets for the last several
months (400% of the RDA = 1600 IU).

Immune testing showed that I am more likely to get
sick, and will stay sick longer than a normal
person. Heck, I could have told them that
and saved money on the test... :-)

Marc

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Hi Steph

We have to go to a private hospital (Breakspear Hospital in Hemel Hempstead)
to get the infusions done - rather costly I'm afraid. The equipment is
normally only available in hospitals and clinics, not in normal surgeries
(though even some enlightened dentists use Vitamin C infusions!). They did
a battery of tests (again very expensive) that identified some particular
deficiencies which could be treated. It was really looking at Sue's overall
problems including MCS and allergies, but as these have improved the ES has
also got better. Before this she had tried trial-and-error on a vast range
of supplements which hadn't really solved the problem, especially as she
reacted adversely to a lot of normally good and benign supplements which are
widely recommended, such as milk thistle - they seem to be good if you are
moderately ill but give problems if you have got to the stage where your
immune system seems to react to anything. There are a small number of
medically qualified nutritionists around in Britain who can do a systematic
look at these intractable problems - the snag is that they seem to be pretty
overloaded and have quite long waiting lists (what does this tell us?).

Best wishes, Ian

_____

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
Stephanie Smith
Sent: 19 February 2009 21:03
To: [hidden email]
Subject: RE: [eSens] Vitamin D levels - and oral absorption of other
supplements



Hello Ian

I am glad to hear that Sue is doing better and it is great that someone has
been able to get to the bottom of the problem she has been having. Can I ask
you did she get these intravenous infusions from her GP or did she go to a
private nutritionist or other practicioner? and did that person recognise
her ES and advise this nutritional programme to help to treat it? I only ask
because I have been trying to sort out my own supplement regimen without any
medical input [I don't really know who to turn to in all of this] and don't
know whether any of it is doing any good since I could well have problems
with absorption.Any advice or information you could give me would be very
much appreciated.

Best wishes

Steph

--- On Fri, 30/1/09, Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@
<mailto:ianandsue.kemp%40ukgateway.net> ukgateway.net> wrote:

From: Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@ <mailto:ianandsue.kemp%40ukgateway.net>
ukgateway.net>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Vitamin D levels - and oral absorption of other
supplements
To: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com
Date: Friday, 30 January, 2009, 11:22 AM

If one's gut or digestive system is not working properly, oral
supplementation of all sorts of vitamins and nutrients even at high levels
may be ineffective because they simply do not get out of the gut into the
bloodstream.

To quote Sue's case (as usual) - her magnesium and glutathione levels, and
various other items, were desperately low despite long-term oral
supplementation, and she tested positive for leaky gut syndrome.
Intravenous infusions were the only way that the levels could be got up. As
her liver function has improved, she has been able to take a wider range of
medication without side effects. In the last few months she has been taking
special digestive enzymes and phosphatidyl choline, which she could not
tolerate before. These in turn seem to have improved her digestion
capability and gut integrity, such that oral supplementation with reduced
glutathione and magnesium sulphate (Epsom salts) now appear to be working
and she has not needed infusions for 3 months. She is also beginning to be
able to eat dairy products and chocolate again in moderation - first time
for 4 years that this has not given noticeable side effects.

Ian

_____

From: eSens@yahoogroups. com [mailto:eSens@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
javamdnss@aol. com
Sent: 30 January 2009 05:36
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [eSens] Vitamin D levels

How can they possibly be in the bottom range of acceptable if you've been
taking that much Vit. D for months??
How much did the test cost? I'm assuming insurance didn't cover it?
Thanks for getting back to us about it Marc!
Amy

marc@ufoseries. <mailto:marc% 40ufoseries. com> com writes:

Okay, I got my blood tests back -- my Vitamin D levels
were in the acceptable range, but they were at the
very bottom of the acceptable range. And I had been
taking Vitamin D3 tablets for the last several
months (400% of the RDA = 1600 IU).

Immune testing showed that I am more likely to get
sick, and will stay sick longer than a normal
person. Heck, I could have told them that
and saved money on the test... :-)

Marc

************ **From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between,
stay
up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?
<http://aol.com? ncid=emlcntaolco m00000023> ncid=emlcntaolcom00 000023)

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Thanks for this Ian
 
I had come across the Breakspear Hospital in internet searches before but it didn't occur to me that that was where sue had gone to - it would be quite a long way from me so I'd have to factor in travel costs for regular or periodic attendances there as well as the treatment costs but if it gave me even half of my health back then it would be worth doing. What you are saying here chimes with my own thinking on ES, that whichever part of our system is malfunctioning is rendering us vulnerable to ES in a way which we might not be if we were able to address it. To that extent I'd welcome the battery of tests if only to get to the heart of exactly what it is that is out of kilter in my system.
 
Can I ask did Sue need a letter of referral from her GP or anything or did she just make the contact herself? The reason that I ask is that In my NHS region if you want to access private healthcare the provider will ask for aletter of referral from your GP. Can I also ask you what you thought of the staff and the treatment? Did Sue tell them she was reacting to EMF and did they accept that as a possible component of her illness or were they a bit sceptical. I'm sorry for asking what must seem like 20 questiions, but togo to this clinic would be a huge financial commitment for me and it wouldbe helpful to get your feedback. Hope you won't mind my asking.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph

--- On Fri, 20/2/09, Ian Kemp <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Ian Kemp <[hidden email]>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Vitamin D levels - and oral absorption of other supplements
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, 20 February, 2009, 12:54 AM






Hi Steph

We have to go to a private hospital (Breakspear Hospital in Hemel Hempstead)
to get the infusions done - rather costly I'm afraid. The equipment is
normally only available in hospitals and clinics, not in normal surgeries
(though even some enlightened dentists use Vitamin C infusions!). They did
a battery of tests (again very expensive) that identified some particular
deficiencies which could be treated. It was really looking at Sue's overall
problems including MCS and allergies, but as these have improved the ES has
also got better. Before this she had tried trial-and-error on a vast range
of supplements which hadn't really solved the problem, especially as she
reacted adversely to a lot of normally good and benign supplements which are
widely recommended, such as milk thistle - they seem to be good if you are
moderately ill but give problems if you have got to the stage where your
immune system seems to react to anything. There are a small number of
medically qualified nutritionists around in Britain who can do a systematic
look at these intractable problems - the snag is that they seem to be pretty
overloaded and have quite long waiting lists (what does this tell us?).

Best wishes, Ian

_____

From: eSens@yahoogroups. com [mailto:eSens@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
Stephanie Smith
Sent: 19 February 2009 21:03
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [eSens] Vitamin D levels - and oral absorption of other
supplements

Hello Ian

I am glad to hear that Sue is doing better and it is great that someone has
been able to get to the bottom of the problem she has been having. Can I ask
you did she get these intravenous infusions from her GP or did she go to a
private nutritionist or other practicioner? and did that person recognise
her ES and advise this nutritional programme to help to treat it? I only ask
because I have been trying to sort out my own supplement regimen without any
medical input [I don't really know who to turn to in all of this] and don't
know whether any of it is doing any good since I could well have problems
with absorption.Any advice or information you could give me would be very
much appreciated.

Best wishes

Steph

--- On Fri, 30/1/09, Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@
<mailto:ianandsue. kemp%40ukgateway .net> ukgateway.net> wrote:

From: Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@ <mailto:ianandsue. kemp%40ukgateway .net>
ukgateway.net>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Vitamin D levels - and oral absorption of other
supplements
To: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens% 40yahoogroups. com> com
Date: Friday, 30 January, 2009, 11:22 AM

If one's gut or digestive system is not working properly, oral
supplementation of all sorts of vitamins and nutrients even at high levels
may be ineffective because they simply do not get out of the gut into the
bloodstream.

To quote Sue's case (as usual) - her magnesium and glutathione levels, and
various other items, were desperately low despite long-term oral
supplementation, and she tested positive for leaky gut syndrome.
Intravenous infusions were the only way that the levels could be got up. As
her liver function has improved, she has been able to take a wider range of
medication without side effects. In the last few months she has been taking
special digestive enzymes and phosphatidyl choline, which she could not
tolerate before. These in turn seem to have improved her digestion
capability and gut integrity, such that oral supplementation with reduced
glutathione and magnesium sulphate (Epsom salts) now appear to be working
and she has not needed infusions for 3 months. She is also beginning to be
able to eat dairy products and chocolate again in moderation - first time
for 4 years that this has not given noticeable side effects.

Ian

_____

From: eSens@yahoogroups. com [mailto:eSens@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
javamdnss@aol. com
Sent: 30 January 2009 05:36
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [eSens] Vitamin D levels

How can they possibly be in the bottom range of acceptable if you've been
taking that much Vit. D for months??
How much did the test cost? I'm assuming insurance didn't cover it?
Thanks for getting back to us about it Marc!
Amy

marc@ufoseries. <mailto:marc% 40ufoseries. com> com writes:

Okay, I got my blood tests back -- my Vitamin D levels
were in the acceptable range, but they were at the
very bottom of the acceptable range. And I had been
taking Vitamin D3 tablets for the last several
months (400% of the RDA = 1600 IU).

Immune testing showed that I am more likely to get
sick, and will stay sick longer than a normal
person. Heck, I could have told them that
and saved money on the test... :-)

Marc

************ **From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between,
stay
up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?
<http://aol.com? ncid=emlcntaolco m00000023> ncid=emlcntaolcom00 000023)

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