RE: Digest Number 636

Marc wrote:

>>>That's actually how it should be -- candida thrives in a more alkaline
environment, while good bacteria thrives in an acid environment. The
problem many of us seem to face is that our our digestive tract is
too alkaline (promoting candida and suppressing healthy bacteria)
while our bloodstream is too acidic (full of acid wastes from the
candida, plus acidic heavy metals, pesticides, etc.). I haven't
really figured out the best solution to this problem even for
myself -- it seems like something like apple cider vinegar (from
the health food store, of course) would be helpful, as this is
acidic in your digestive tract, and then as it is metabolized
has an alkalanizing effect on the body.

Of course, drinking acidic products and having an overly
acid body means that your saliva is acidic, so you'll need to
provide some additional support to your teeth, otherwise they'll
dissolve away more rapidly -- something with a high pH should
do, like gargling with baking soda.

++>Yes, I've read about this ("acidosis") and it seems to be something that
should be adressed with chronic infection. Thankyou for reminding me about
this issue:-) It is indeed a tricky balancing act when some areas of the
body need to be acid and others alkaline.

>>>Also note that of the hundreds of supplements I've tried over
the years, it seems like Seasilver was the best thing I tried
for reducing the amount of white coating on my tongue (which
I presume is related to candida). And for the past month
I've been experimenting with organic, grass-fed, unpasturized
milk, which also seems to be good for this (although I'll
have to wait and see if this is a longterm effect)

++>Can you tell me why you got the Seasilver from? I've asked The Nuticentre
in London, but they don't stock it. I hope the unpaturized milk helps with
the candida, please let us know how this goes.

Kind Regards
Rachel

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Diane wrote:

>>I was thinking this same thing (as what Marc wrote). I had lifelong
>>candida
infection as well as a chronic bacterial problem and I just have to maintain
control over these. I am not saying that you are wrong, but what are your
health problems--symptoms-- now? Maybe your nervous system problem is
correctable. I had all sorts of health ramifications caused by toxins and
wastes. It cascaded down to fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue syndrome,
lymphatic
congestion, and adrenal dysfunction, among other glandular and hormonal
complications and things like acidosis and anemia. It hasn't been a walk in
the
park to get control of these, but I have now nearly entirely recovered.

++> My main problems now are severe ES which exacerbates all my other health
problems. I think that whilst my immune system is busy wasting its time
having allergic reactions to EMF it is diverted and doesn't keep the candida
and viral problems in check. My mercury fillings are another obstacle to my
recovery. If I have them removed gradually I'm hoping it will allow my
immune system to re-balance and my allergies will be less severe. I've
investigated other knock on effects on the endocrine system and hormonal
imbalances. I find when my candida and ES is under proper control all my
other health problems resolve as well. I find my nervous system is helped by
keeping my viral problems under control and reducing my stress levels and
getting plenty of rest. Hence my search for suitable accomodation so I have
a chance of recovery.

I'm very glad to hear that you have nearly made a full recovery and I know
it must have been a long uphill struggle for you. Well done for hanging in
there :-)

Kind Regards
Rachel

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> Can you tell me why you got the Seasilver from? I've asked The Nuticentre
> in London, but they don't stock it. I hope the unpaturized milk helps with
> the candida, please let us know how this goes.

Seasilver is a multi-level marketing product from the US, so this is not
something you can generally find at stores, but rather on one of many
personal websites, or from the parent company site:

http://seasilver.com/

Ignore the cheesy-advertising... they even have terrible informercials
for this on the radio in the US, but fortunately I discovered this product
before I heard the terrible advertising (the advertising makes it
sound like a scam, and the FDA shut them down previously for posting
testimonials about it curing various illnesses)

There are other seaweed/aloe vera products sold in health food stores
or online (e.g., Sea Energy), so it's possible these may be as good
for you, but of the ones I've tried, none were as good as Seasilver.
I think this is because they've done something to it which lowers the
surface tension, which increases absorption (it also doesn't need
to be shaken up before use, which is unique and must also be related
to this processing)

Marc

> Seasilver is a multi-level marketing product from the US

By the way, if Seasilver is too difficult to get, here are
some other things I've found useful to keep the thrush
under control (but it's never gone away completely yet):

Probiotics -- fight off the bad yeast/bacteria with good
bacteria. Seems like the higher-potency probiotics work
better in general. The highest potency one I've found
(and the one I still have in my fridge) are from
Custom Probiotics:

http://customprobiotics.com/

The founder of this company had chronic candida, and
believes the only way to overcome it is by massive
amounts of probiotics. The dosage I took was 200 billion
organism a day, which is about 100 times more than
what you'll find at the brands in the health food store.

Soil Based Organisms -- there is a class of good bacteria
which is not normally found in the human digestive tract,
but nonetheless it loves to feed on candida and wipe it
out. There are a variety of products out there, but the
one I've been using (and is easy to find in the health
food stores) is Primal Defense:

http://gardenoflife.com/detail_primal_defense.shtml

Citrus (Grapefruit) Seed Extract -- Rachel said she
had problems with citrus, although I'm not sure that
citrus *seeds* are the same thing as eating citrus.
I know that in my own case, eating oranges makes
my ES worse, however, citrus seed extract seems fine.
The best product I've used for this is Agrisept-L, which
is an MLM product but is also something that I never
develop a sensitivity to (unlike the store brand "GSE"):

http://www.aragonproducts.com/theproducts.cfm?master=6521&owner=694

With all of the above, it would be wise to start with
small amounts (to prevent a massive die-off) and build
up to the recommended dosage (or whatever dosage you
find works best for you)

Marc

Thanks, Rachel,

Glad to hear you are not giving up and feel that there are things which can still help you. I was initially concerned that you thought your nerve damage was beyond your control. Do you do all you can for your lymphatic system? I am such a great fan of lymphatic support--it really helped me so much.

Hope you get the calm you need to recover,
Diane

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Diane wrote:

>>I was thinking this same thing (as what Marc wrote). I had lifelong
>>candida
infection as well as a chronic bacterial problem and I just have to maintain
control over these. I am not saying that you are wrong, but what are your
health problems--symptoms-- now? Maybe your nervous system problem is
correctable. I had all sorts of health ramifications caused by toxins and
wastes. It cascaded down to fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue syndrome,
lymphatic
congestion, and adrenal dysfunction, among other glandular and hormonal
complications and things like acidosis and anemia. It hasn't been a walk in
the
park to get control of these, but I have now nearly entirely recovered.

++> My main problems now are severe ES which exacerbates all my other health
problems. I think that whilst my immune system is busy wasting its time
having allergic reactions to EMF it is diverted and doesn't keep the candida
and viral problems in check. My mercury fillings are another obstacle to my
recovery. If I have them removed gradually I'm hoping it will allow my
immune system to re-balance and my allergies will be less severe. I've
investigated other knock on effects on the endocrine system and hormonal
imbalances. I find when my candida and ES is under proper control all my
other health problems resolve as well. I find my nervous system is helped by
keeping my viral problems under control and reducing my stress levels and
getting plenty of rest. Hence my search for suitable accomodation so I have
a chance of recovery.

I'm very glad to hear that you have nearly made a full recovery and I know
it must have been a long uphill struggle for you. Well done for hanging in
there :-)

Kind Regards
Rachel

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Hi, Marc,

Have you ever tried whey powders for candida? Just wondering if others see it as a help with candida. I started on whey and got huge die-off of something (can't say for sure if it was candida, tho). I had been taking various other supplements for 8 months for candida, etc. I like the citrus seed extract, too. I also take oregano oil caps and garlic oil, tho I have to say that I don't think the garlic has killed anything in years. I think the candida got resistent to it. I tried colloidal silver also and didn't see great results from it. I also use monolaurin for bacterial infection. It is a broadspectrum germicidal, so I think it also kills candida and viruses, but I am not sure about that.

Diane

Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Seasilver is a multi-level marketing product from the US

By the way, if Seasilver is too difficult to get, here are
some other things I've found useful to keep the thrush
under control (but it's never gone away completely yet):

Probiotics -- fight off the bad yeast/bacteria with good
bacteria. Seems like the higher-potency probiotics work
better in general. The highest potency one I've found
(and the one I still have in my fridge) are from
Custom Probiotics:

http://customprobiotics.com/

The founder of this company had chronic candida, and
believes the only way to overcome it is by massive
amounts of probiotics. The dosage I took was 200 billion
organism a day, which is about 100 times more than
what you'll find at the brands in the health food store.

Soil Based Organisms -- there is a class of good bacteria
which is not normally found in the human digestive tract,
but nonetheless it loves to feed on candida and wipe it
out. There are a variety of products out there, but the
one I've been using (and is easy to find in the health
food stores) is Primal Defense:

http://gardenoflife.com/detail_primal_defense.shtml

Citrus (Grapefruit) Seed Extract -- Rachel said she
had problems with citrus, although I'm not sure that
citrus *seeds* are the same thing as eating citrus.
I know that in my own case, eating oranges makes
my ES worse, however, citrus seed extract seems fine.
The best product I've used for this is Agrisept-L, which
is an MLM product but is also something that I never
develop a sensitivity to (unlike the store brand "GSE"):

http://www.aragonproducts.com/theproducts.cfm?master=6521&owner=694

With all of the above, it would be wise to start with
small amounts (to prevent a massive die-off) and build
up to the recommended dosage (or whatever dosage you
find works best for you)

Marc


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Hi again, Marc and others,

I also take probiotics--forgot to mention that.

Diane

Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Seasilver is a multi-level marketing product from the US

By the way, if Seasilver is too difficult to get, here are
some other things I've found useful to keep the thrush
under control (but it's never gone away completely yet):

Probiotics -- fight off the bad yeast/bacteria with good
bacteria. Seems like the higher-potency probiotics work
better in general. The highest potency one I've found
(and the one I still have in my fridge) are from
Custom Probiotics:

http://customprobiotics.com/

The founder of this company had chronic candida, and
believes the only way to overcome it is by massive
amounts of probiotics. The dosage I took was 200 billion
organism a day, which is about 100 times more than
what you'll find at the brands in the health food store.

Soil Based Organisms -- there is a class of good bacteria
which is not normally found in the human digestive tract,
but nonetheless it loves to feed on candida and wipe it
out. There are a variety of products out there, but the
one I've been using (and is easy to find in the health
food stores) is Primal Defense:

http://gardenoflife.com/detail_primal_defense.shtml

Citrus (Grapefruit) Seed Extract -- Rachel said she
had problems with citrus, although I'm not sure that
citrus *seeds* are the same thing as eating citrus.
I know that in my own case, eating oranges makes
my ES worse, however, citrus seed extract seems fine.
The best product I've used for this is Agrisept-L, which
is an MLM product but is also something that I never
develop a sensitivity to (unlike the store brand "GSE"):

http://www.aragonproducts.com/theproducts.cfm?master=6521&owner=694

With all of the above, it would be wise to start with
small amounts (to prevent a massive die-off) and build
up to the recommended dosage (or whatever dosage you
find works best for you)

Marc


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>Have you ever tried whey powders for candida?

I tried some whey powder several years ago, and all I recall it
doing was making me feel worse, as if mercury was being
mobilized into my bloodstream and my liver couldn't handle
it. Also, I got a lot of mucous in my throat from taking it,
which I didn't think was a good sign. This was from the Mt. Capra
whey -- I see that the dairy that I buy my raw milk from has
organic/raw/grass-fed whey, which may be better, although I
have not tried it.

But for me, I don't find candida to be a problem anymore.
I mean, the only symptom I have now is a little thrush on my
tongue, and even that brushes off easily with a toothbrush.

Also, with candida, one has to balance the *good* the
candida is doing vs. the bad. Candida acts as a sponge
for heavy metals like mercury, so it's actually protecting
your body from heavy metal exposure. Killing it off releases
the heavy metals and leaves you less protected. So you
have to choose what's less harmful to you -- the candida
or the heavy metals. In an ideal world, you would have
neither, but I think that's only going to happen when
you're relatively free of heavy metals.

Also, one other thing I forgot for candida control --
iodine. This of course is inside seaweed/kelp products,
plus there are iodine supplements (I've used "Iodomere"
from Standard Process)

BTW, for those of you who think this candida discussion
has nothing to do with ES, I often wondered years ago
if my systemic candida/fungal problems had anything to
do with my MCS/ES symptoms, as they seemed related in
that they both got better/worse with each other.

Marc

Hi, Marc,

Very interesting. Thanks. I agree that candida and ES probably relate, if only in that one's immunity is not working as efficiently as it could. Also, I did have the increased mucus in my throat, as well, but it cleared up on its own after a few weeks on the whey powder. I think what was happening was that it was killing something in my sinus cavities.

Thanks,
Diane

Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:
>Have you ever tried whey powders for candida?

I tried some whey powder several years ago, and all I recall it
doing was making me feel worse, as if mercury was being
mobilized into my bloodstream and my liver couldn't handle
it. Also, I got a lot of mucous in my throat from taking it,
which I didn't think was a good sign. This was from the Mt. Capra
whey -- I see that the dairy that I buy my raw milk from has
organic/raw/grass-fed whey, which may be better, although I
have not tried it.

But for me, I don't find candida to be a problem anymore.
I mean, the only symptom I have now is a little thrush on my
tongue, and even that brushes off easily with a toothbrush.

Also, with candida, one has to balance the *good* the
candida is doing vs. the bad. Candida acts as a sponge
for heavy metals like mercury, so it's actually protecting
your body from heavy metal exposure. Killing it off releases
the heavy metals and leaves you less protected. So you
have to choose what's less harmful to you -- the candida
or the heavy metals. In an ideal world, you would have
neither, but I think that's only going to happen when
you're relatively free of heavy metals.

Also, one other thing I forgot for candida control --
iodine. This of course is inside seaweed/kelp products,
plus there are iodine supplements (I've used "Iodomere"
from Standard Process)

BTW, for those of you who think this candida discussion
has nothing to do with ES, I often wondered years ago
if my systemic candida/fungal problems had anything to
do with my MCS/ES symptoms, as they seemed related in
that they both got better/worse with each other.

Marc


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Here's a really good site, with loads of stuff. It has about the pH,
and info. like I mentioned recently about testing your own system
with Dr. Carey Reams protocol.
Also about your immune system, since that's been on lately. Was
going to say about potassium someone mentioned, it's in this site too.

I can write more about immune boosters, but another time.

http://www.no-moles.com/immune.htm refresher on immune system and how
it works

http://www.alkalizeforhealth.net/Lstealthinfections.htm strengthen
immune system, pH and all kinds of great info.

http://www.alkalizeforhealth.net/Lzetapotential.htm electric charges
and the blood and brain

~ Snoshoe

--- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@...> wrote:
>
> Hi again, Marc and others,
>    
> I also take probiotics--forgot to mention that.
>    
> Diane
>

Hi, Snoshoe,

Thanks for these sites! The one on zeta potential was extremely interesting and particularly helpful for me right now as I am experimenting with negative hydrogen ion water. I have been stumped by some electrolyte changes and the article has given me some ideas of what is going on.

Thanks again,
Diane

snoshoe_2 <[hidden email]> wrote:
Here's a really good site, with loads of stuff. It has about the pH,
and info. like I mentioned recently about testing your own system
with Dr. Carey Reams protocol.
Also about your immune system, since that's been on lately. Was
going to say about potassium someone mentioned, it's in this site too.

I can write more about immune boosters, but another time.

http://www.no-moles.com/immune.htm refresher on immune system and how
it works

http://www.alkalizeforhealth.net/Lstealthinfections.htm strengthen
immune system, pH and all kinds of great info.

http://www.alkalizeforhealth.net/Lzetapotential.htm electric charges
and the blood and brain

~ Snoshoe

--- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@...> wrote:
>
> Hi again, Marc and others,
>
> I also take probiotics--forgot to mention that.
>
> Diane
>







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