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Do any of you get affected by RADAR from the military jets or even the commercial airliners?

Yesterday I had a new experience. Usually, my head just hurts like there pressure in there and then I start tremoring. These were not my symptoms yesterday Yesterday, There were about 30 commercial jets flying Every time we were driving close to one crossing over us I would get this very sharp stabbing pain into my chest. This stabbing pain would happen over and over again. Today I am so sore like it's a pulled muscle in my sternum all the way to the middle of my back.

It was obviously from the RADAR from the jets. they seemed to be flying a lot lower than usual and usually there isn't that many in the sky.

What's going on? It scared me.

Kris





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BiBrun
I have seen aircraft affect people. I can't say what is happening with
you, but it seems plausible enough. The good thing is that radar
is almost completely line-of-sight. I think you would be a good candidate
for a metal fabric shirt when driving. You could also
put some foil or fabric on the car visors. LessEMF sells shirts.
It's possible the shirt could increase the field at the neck or waist,
but when driving in a car the chest is more exposed to aircraft
radar than the head and neck. The professional suits are conductive
from top to bottom and over the face...
Bill

On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 8:58 PM, K <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
>
> Do any of you get affected by RADAR from the military jets or even the
> commercial airliners?
>
> Yesterday I had a new experience. Usually, my head just hurts like there
> pressure in there and then I start tremoring. These were not my symptoms
> yesterday Yesterday, There were about 30 commercial jets flying Every time
> we were driving close to one crossing over us I would get this very sharp
> stabbing pain into my chest. This stabbing pain would happen over and over
> again. Today I am so sore like it's a pulled muscle in my sternum all the
> way to the middle of my back.
>
> It was obviously from the RADAR from the jets. they seemed to be flying a
> lot lower than usual and usually there isn't that many in the sky.
>
> What's going on? It scared me.
>
> Kris
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>  
>


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K
I was wearing the soft and safe pink material that I made into a cape with the conductive thread included a hood. This obviously wasn't good enough.
kris





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From: Bill Bruno <[hidden email]>
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Sent: Thu, March 18, 2010 10:07:28 PM
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I have seen aircraft affect people. I can't say what is happening with
you, but it seems plausible enough. The good thing is that radar
is almost completely line-of-sight. I think you would be a good candidate
for a metal fabric shirt when driving. You could also
put some foil or fabric on the car visors. LessEMF sells shirts.
It's possible the shirt could increase the field at the neck or waist,
but when driving in a car the chest is more exposed to aircraft
radar than the head and neck. The professional suits are conductive
from top to bottom and over the face...
Bill

On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 8:58 PM, K <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
>
> Do any of you get affected by RADAR from the military jets or even the
> commercial airliners?
>
> Yesterday I had a new experience. Usually, my head just hurts like there
> pressure in there and then I start tremoring. These were not my symptoms
> yesterday Yesterday, There were about 30 commercial jets flying Every time
> we were driving close to one crossing over us I would get this very sharp
> stabbing pain into my chest. This stabbing pain would happen over and over
> again. Today I am so sore like it's a pulled muscle in my sternum all the
> way to the middle of my back.
>
> It was obviously from the RADAR from the jets. they seemed to be flying a
> lot lower than usual and usually there isn't that many in the sky.
>
> What's going on? It scared me.
>
> Kris
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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PUK
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PUK replies - Hi when I was working full time in an office environmentt I
was extra sensitive and could definitely sense comercial aircraft at times,
I put this down to intelligent landing system control and air to ground
radar, I can even sense electrical energy in clouds on bad days.


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It was obviously from the RADAR from the jets. they seemed to be flying a
> lot lower than usual and usually there isn't that many in the sky.
>



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blagrongra
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Hi,

My girlfriend lives out in the hills in a motor home and is very symptomy at the moment, and spent the night in a camping barn with no power in a rf free area, but was still fevery all night and believes it was airplanes. When she has been bad before , camping in the wild she gets tingling and feelings when planes have gone over.

Cant get away from it it seems, even in remote areas.

cheers

charlie

--- In [hidden email], K <kfarming@...> wrote:

>
> Do any of you get affected by RADAR from the military jets or even the commercial airliners?
>
> Yesterday I had a new experience. Usually, my head just hurts like therepressure in there and then I start tremoring. These were not my symptoms yesterday Yesterday, There were about 30 commercial jets flying Every time we were driving close to one crossing over us I would get this very sharp stabbing pain into my chest. This stabbing pain would happen over and over again. Today I am so sore like it's a pulled muscle in my sternum all the way to the middle of my back.
>
> It was obviously from the RADAR from the jets. they seemed to be flying a lot lower than usual and usually there isn't that many in the sky.
>
> What's going on? It scared me.
>
> Kris
>
>
>
>      
>
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Snoshoe
Hello,

Planes often bother me, for about 3yrs. now. Some of them got some new equipment, not sure what the differences are, but Motorola seems to be a big offender in emf output.

There are times I can feel a jet coming a good 7 minutes before I can hear it, so it's really putting something out.

Then there are a lot of small private planes in this area, which seem to have switched equipment, and they are pretty bad too.

One time a friend drove up to visit, this a dirt road, off the hwy, so you know there were no speed traps in wait. His radar detector went off on the way up, about a 1/2mile from hwy, and higher elevation. So where'd that come from?

The tingling, stabbing etc. is awful, but at least we know it's not all in our heads huh? :)

~ Snoshoe

--- In [hidden email], "blagrongra" <blagrongra@...> wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> My girlfriend lives out in the hills in a motor home and is very symptomyat the moment, and spent the night in a camping barn with no power in a rffree area, but was still fevery all night and believes it was airplanes. When she has been bad before , camping in the wild she gets tingling and feelings when planes have gone over.
>
> Cant get away from it it seems, even in remote areas.
>
> cheers
>
> charlie
>
> --- In [hidden email], K <kfarming@> wrote:
> >
> > Do any of you get affected by RADAR from the military jets or even the commercial airliners?
> >
> > Yesterday I had a new experience. Usually, my head just hurts like there pressure in there and then I start tremoring. These were not my symptomsyesterday Yesterday, There were about 30 commercial jets flying Every time we were driving close to one crossing over us I would get this very sharpstabbing pain into my chest. This stabbing pain would happen over and overagain. Today I am so sore like it's a pulled muscle in my sternum all theway to the middle of my back.
> >
> > It was obviously from the RADAR from the jets. they seemed to be flying a lot lower than usual and usually there isn't that many in the sky.
> >
> > What's going on? It scared me.
> >
> > Kris
> >
> >

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Snoshoe
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Hi Paul,

I wonder, if what you are feeling from the clouds, is actually dependent onthe type of chemical that has been sprayed in the atmosphere to affect them? Making a plasma, an ionized vapor, which would have a stronger electrical field, than say your average water vapor cloud, which just don't seem to be so common anymore.

Take barium or aluminum oxide for instance, or the silica/quartz particulate they spray up there. The stuff does drift down too.

~Snoshoe

--- In [hidden email], paulpjc@... wrote:
>
> PUK replies - Hi when I was working full time in an office environmentt I  
> was extra sensitive and could definitely sense comercial aircraft at times,
> I put this down to intelligent landing system control and air to ground
> radar, I can even sense electrical energy in clouds on bad days.
>  
>  

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K
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Wow, That is something! I so can feel these jets before I hear them too. It's alos a sound issue with the military jets for me. They fly just the sound barrier sometimes breaking it. I just wish we could figure out how to protect myself from the sound issues. I went down into our basement which is not livable ~ only for storage. I wore my shielding cape that we made, I didn't have the shaking but I had the tingling, stabbing, and the pressure/weakness. NOT AS BAD, but it was still there. Now, if I had my faraday canopy down there I think I would have been fine, however I was having to wear my oxygen, my charcoal mask, etc.. b/c of the nastiness of that basement. Rock foundation(house was built in 1902, old furnace, paint cans, etc... storage.

BUNKER I need a Shielded Bunker! :)
Kris






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From: snoshoe_2 <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Sun, March 21, 2010 12:22:15 PM
Subject: [eSens] Re: RADAR

Hello,

Planes often bother me, for about 3yrs. now. Some of them got some new equipment, not sure what the differences are, but Motorola seems to be a big offender in emf output.

There are times I can feel a jet coming a good 7 minutes before I can hear it, so it's really putting something out.

Then there are a lot of small private planes in this area, which seem to have switched equipment, and they are pretty bad too.

One time a friend drove up to visit, this a dirt road, off the hwy, so you know there were no speed traps in wait. His radar detector went off on the way up, about a 1/2mile from hwy, and higher elevation. So where'd that come from?

The tingling, stabbing etc. is awful, but at least we know it's not all in our heads huh? :)

~ Snoshoe

--- In [hidden email], "blagrongra" <blagrongra@...> wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> My girlfriend lives out in the hills in a motor home and is very symptomy at the moment, and spent the night in a camping barn with no power in a rf free area, but was still fevery all night and believes it was airplanes. When she has been bad before , camping in the wild she gets tingling and feelings when planes have gone over.
>
> Cant get away from it it seems, even in remote areas.
>
> cheers
>
> charlie
>
> --- In [hidden email], K <kfarming@> wrote:
> >
> > Do any of you get affected by RADAR from the military jets or even the commercial airliners?
> >
> > Yesterday I had a new experience. Usually, my head just hurts like there pressure in there and then I start tremoring. These were not my symptoms yesterday Yesterday, There were about 30 commercial jets flying Every time we were driving close to one crossing over us I would get this very sharp stabbing pain into my chest. This stabbing pain would happen over and over again. Today I am so sore like it's a pulled muscle in my sternum all the way to the middle of my back.
> >
> > It was obviously from the RADAR from the jets. they seemed to be flying a lot lower than usual and usually there isn't that many in the sky.
> >
> > What's going on? It scared me.
> >
> > Kris
> >
> >




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PUK
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PUK replies - When I say clouds I do not mean soft white fluffy ones, a
typical example was when I was looking skyward in the distance was a mass of
black/grey clouds heading my way, my head started to tingle almost going
numb, 30 seconds later the clouds burst with the most violent hailstones I had
ever seen, those clouds were angry to say the least !



In a message dated 21/03/2010 17:58:29 GMT Standard Time,
[hidden email] writes:

Hi Paul,

I wonder, if what you are feeling from the clouds, is actually dependent
on the type of chemical that has been sprayed in the atmosphere to affect
them? Making a plasma, an ionized vapor, which would have a stronger
electrical field, than say your average water vapor cloud, which just don't seem to
be so common anymore.

Take barium or aluminum oxide for instance, or the silica/quartz
particulate they spray up there. The stuff does drift down too.

~Snoshoe

--- In _eSens@yahoogroups.eSe_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ,
paulpjc@... wrote:
>
> PUK replies - Hi when I was working full time in an office environmentt
I
> was extra sensitive and could definitely sense comercial aircraft at
times,
> I put this down to intelligent landing system control and air to ground
> radar, I can even sense electrical energy in clouds on bad days.
>
>



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K
Yes, I did feel pretty jittery during some of our bad thunderstorms last summer too. I can understand.
It will be interesting this summer to see how I react. Last summer was my first summer with EHS, so now knowing way more about it all, I'll have to see how things go, what I react to, how I react....
I'm such a newbie....
Kris




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To: [hidden email]
Sent: Mon, March 22, 2010 4:15:45 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: RADAR

PUK replies - When I say clouds I do not mean soft white fluffy ones, a
typical example was when I was looking skyward in the distance was a mass of
black/grey clouds heading my way, my head started to tingle almost going
numb, 30 seconds later the clouds burst with the most violent hailstones I had
ever seen, those clouds were angry to say the least !



In a message dated 21/03/2010 17:58:29 GMT Standard Time,
[hidden email] writes:

Hi Paul,

I wonder, if what you are feeling from the clouds, is actually dependent
on the type of chemical that has been sprayed in the atmosphere to affect
them? Making a plasma, an ionized vapor, which would have a stronger
electrical field, than say your average water vapor cloud, which just don't seem to
be so common anymore.

Take barium or aluminum oxide for instance, or the silica/quartz
particulate they spray up there. The stuff does drift down too.

~Snoshoe

--- In _eSens@yahoogroups.eSe_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ,
paulpjc@... wrote:
>
> PUK replies - Hi when I was working full time in an office environmentt
I
> was extra sensitive and could definitely sense comercial aircraft at
times,
> I put this down to intelligent landing system control and air to ground
> radar, I can even sense electrical energy in clouds on bad days.
>
>



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evie15422
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Hi, Paul,
 
I react similarly--I pick up on what I think is a growing instability in the atmosphere before a storm.  It can affect my whole body sometimes.  There is a growing pressure and anxiety within me (along with many symptoms--EMS and other) and when the storm actually hits, I feel release.  Is this how you react as well?
 
Be well,
Diane
 


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From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
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To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 5:15 AM


 



PUK replies - When I say clouds I do not mean soft white fluffy ones, a
typical example was when I was looking skyward in the distance was a mass of
black/grey clouds heading my way, my head started to tingle almost going
numb, 30 seconds later the clouds burst with the most violent hailstones I had
ever seen, those clouds were angry to say the least !



In a message dated 21/03/2010 17:58:29 GMT Standard Time,
snoshoe_2@yahoo. com writes:

Hi Paul,

I wonder, if what you are feeling from the clouds, is actually dependent
on the type of chemical that has been sprayed in the atmosphere to affect
them? Making a plasma, an ionized vapor, which would have a stronger
electrical field, than say your average water vapor cloud, which just don'tseem to
be so common anymore.

Take barium or aluminum oxide for instance, or the silica/quartz
particulate they spray up there. The stuff does drift down too.

~Snoshoe

--- In _eSens@yahoogroups. eSe_ (mailto:eSens@yahoogroups. com) ,
paulpjc@... wrote:
>
> PUK replies - Hi when I was working full time in an office environmentt
I
> was extra sensitive and could definitely sense comercial aircraft at
times,
> I put this down to intelligent landing system control and air to ground
> radar, I can even sense electrical energy in clouds on bad days.
>
>

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PUK
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Hi Diana, I cant recall how I feel as its been a while, definitely not a
release unless the storm really works itself out. As for memory I a getting
very concerned at the state of my memory, I am starting to loose chunks
and short term is really bad, I feel spaced out, this is probably due to
broken sleep (wake at 3.30am every morn and then fight to fall asleep) and
overdoing it on this thing, I will have to go back to my laptop at a distance
instead of being 600mm from the screen at present. Ironically I have missed
my medical for benefit state claims twicw now cos I literally forgot - I
have to pull my self out of this nose dive, yet again thank heavens I have
made it through another dark dreary winter - its been Plasma TV hell !

PUK


In a message dated 22/03/2010 17:22:09 GMT Standard Time,
[hidden email] writes:

Hi, Paul,

I react similarly--I pick up on what I think is a growing instability in
the atmosphere before a storm. It can affect my whole body sometimes.
There is a growing pressure and anxiety within me (along with many
symptoms--EMS and other) and when the storm actually hits, I feel release. Is this how
you react as well?

Be well,
Diane



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Jennie Wassenaar
Paul & Diane,

I'm just jumping into this topic so forgive me if I have misinterpreted your posts or am repeating something.

Following are some exerts from The Healing Energies of Magnets by Roger Coghill. From what I've experienced and heard magnetic therapy is not for us EMS sufferers. But I did like this book for explaining electromagnetic fields.

 
Our bodies make extensive use of ions for transmitting electric signals between the brain and and the nerves. So it is not surprising that largequantities of ions, whether natural or artificial in origin, can affect human health. (we feel better when the air is negatively charged)
Prior to a storm water-laden clouds become negatively charged, due tofriction between the water molecules and the air through which the cloud passes. Positive ions then accumulate beneath the cloud. As the clouds progress down the sky, these positive ions pile up and the wind begins to pushthem ahead of the clouds.
The Earth's surface is also negatively charged as a result of chemicalreactions at it's core. This high level of positive ions before a storm creates a distinct feeling or airlessness or stuffiness in the atmosphere (and physical discomfort to some). Eventually the attraction between the negative and positive charges overcomes the air's resistance and the result isa flash or more of lightning. Thunder then rolls and down comes the rain.After the storm how clear and sweet the air appears! This is because theair is now surcharged with negative ions and the balance of negative and positive charges on the Earth's surface has been restored.

Other places that have natural negative ions are in the mountains and at the seashore. I know I always feel better when we vacation in the mountains.And people have been traveling to the seashore for centuries to feel better , but maybe it's the view. :)

Paul, I can relate to your memory issues. Post it Notes have become my friend. And the sleepless nights. I hope that clears up for you soon.

Good luck,

Jennie





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Sent: Tue, March 23, 2010 5:57:05 AM
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Hi Diana, I cant recall how I feel as its been a while, definitely not a
release unless the storm really works itself out. As for memory I a getting
very concerned at the state of my memory, I am starting to loose chunks
and short term is really bad, I feel spaced out, this is probably due to
broken sleep (wake at 3.30am every morn and then fight to fall asleep) and
overdoing it on this thing, I will have to go back to my laptop at a distance
instead of being 600mm from the screen at present. Ironically I have missed
my medical for benefit state claims twicw now cos I literally forgot - I
have to pull my self out of this nose dive, yet again thank heavens I have
made it through another dark dreary winter - its been Plasma TV hell !

PUK


In a message dated 22/03/2010 17:22:09 GMT Standard Time,
evie15422@yahoo. com writes:

Hi, Paul,

I react similarly--I pick up on what I think is a growing instability in
the atmosphere before a storm. It can affect my whole body sometimes.
There is a growing pressure and anxiety within me (along with many
symptoms--EMS and other) and when the storm actually hits, I feel release.Is this how
you react as well?

Be well,
Diane

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PUK
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puk replies - a really good read by the same author is Something in the
AIR.


In a message dated 23/03/2010 10:29:36 GMT Standard Time,
[hidden email] writes:

Following are some exerts from The Healing Energies of Magnets by Roger
Coghill. From what I've experienced and heard magnetic therapy is not for us
EMS sufferers. But I did like this book for explaining electromagnetic
fields.




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PUK
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My mothers name was Jennie, so you are in my good books, shes on those old
clouds playing the harp... I guess - Puk


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Paul, I can relate to your memory issues. Post it Notes have become my
friend. And the sleepless nights. I hope that clears up for you soon.

Good luck,

Jennie



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steve
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This is interesting. Does anyone here use an air cleaner? I have experimented with Blueair, Winix and other Plasmawave air cleaners.
I am going to try Rabbitair next, which isn't plasmawave but has an ozone free ionizer that can be turned on and off. HEPA of course.
Steve

--- On Tue, 3/23/10, Jennie Wassenaar <[hidden email]> wrote:

> From: Jennie Wassenaar <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: RADAR
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Tuesday, March 23, 2010, 3:29 AM
> Paul & Diane,
>
> I'm just jumping into this topic so forgive me if I have
> misinterpreted your posts or am repeating something.
>
> Following are some exerts from The Healing Energies of
> Magnets by Roger Coghill.  From what I've experienced
> and heard magnetic therapy is not for us EMS
> sufferers.  But I did like this book for explaining
> electromagnetic fields.
>
>  
>      Our bodies make extensive use of
> ions for transmitting electric signals between the brain and
> and the nerves.  So it is not surprising that large
> quantities of ions, whether natural or artificial in origin,
> can affect human health.  (we feel better when the air
> is negatively charged)
>       Prior to a storm water-laden clouds
> become negatively charged, due to friction between the water
> molecules and the air through which the cloud passes. 
> Positive ions then accumulate beneath the cloud.  As
> the clouds progress down the sky, these positive ions pile
> up and the wind begins to push them ahead of the clouds.
>      The Earth's surface is also
> negatively charged as a result of chemical reactions at it's
> core.  This high level of positive ions before a storm
> creates a distinct feeling or airlessness or stuffiness in
> the atmosphere (and physical discomfort to some). 
> Eventually the attraction between the negative and positive
> charges overcomes the air's resistance and the result is a
> flash or more of lightning.  Thunder then rolls and
> down comes the rain.  After the storm how clear and
> sweet the air appears!  This is because the air is now
> surcharged with negative ions and the balance of negative
> and positive charges on the Earth's surface has been
> restored.
>
> Other places that have natural negative ions are in the
> mountains and at the seashore.  I know I always feel
> better when we vacation in the mountains.  And people
> have been traveling to the seashore for centuries to feel
> better , but maybe it's the view.  :)
>
> Paul, I can relate to your memory issues.  Post it
> Notes have become my friend.  And the sleepless
> nights.  I hope that clears up for you soon.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Jennie
>
>
>
>
>
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> From: "[hidden email]"
> <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Tue, March 23, 2010 5:57:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: RADAR
>
>  
> Hi Diana, I cant recall how I feel as its been a while,
> definitely not a
> release unless the storm really works itself out.  As
> for memory I a  getting
> very concerned at the state of my memory, I am starting to
> loose chunks
> and short term is really bad, I feel spaced out, this is
> probably due to
> broken  sleep (wake at 3.30am every morn and then
> fight to fall asleep) and
> overdoing it  on this thing, I will have to go back to
> my laptop at a distance
> instead of  being 600mm from the screen at
> present.  Ironically I have missed
> my  medical for benefit state claims twicw now cos I
> literally forgot - I
> have to  pull my self out of this nose dive, yet again
> thank heavens I have
> made it  through another dark dreary winter - its been
> Plasma TV hell !
>
> PUK
>
>
> In a message dated 22/03/2010 17:22:09 GMT Standard Time,
> evie15422@yahoo. com writes:
>
> Hi,  Paul,
>
> I react similarly--I pick up on what I think is a
> growing  instability in
> the atmosphere before a storm.  It can affect my
> whole  body sometimes.
> There is a growing pressure and anxiety within me
> (along  with many
> symptoms--EMS and other) and when the storm actually hits,
> I feel  release.  Is this how
> you react as well?
>
> Be well,
> Diane
>
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>
>
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>
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Marc Martin
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> This is interesting. Does anyone here use an air cleaner? I have
> experimented with Blueair, Winix and other Plasmawave air cleaners.
> I am going to try Rabbitair next, which isn't plasmawave but has an ozone
> free ionizer that can be turned on and off. HEPA of course.

I have certainly used many air cleaners over the years... I worry
that the motor/fan ones contribute to ES, although that doesn't
stop me from having the fan on my furnace running 24/7. :-)

I also use cleaners that emit small amounts of ozone into the air...
but probably not much more than you'd experience outdoors in
the mountains. This keeps down the smell of any chemicals,
pets, etc. I gave up on "ionizers" years ago, as they didn't
appear to have any benefits, and destroyed the furniture
and the walls.

Marc

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Ionisers was Re: RADAR

charles-4
We have CleanAir ionisers, which do not have a fan, but a special lamp
inside.
They work fine. We have always fresh air in our rooms.
But.
They emit a lot of *dirty air*.
A big lot.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Marc Martin" <[hidden email]>
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Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 7:40 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: RADAR


>> This is interesting. Does anyone here use an air cleaner? I have
>> experimented with Blueair, Winix and other Plasmawave air cleaners.
>> I am going to try Rabbitair next, which isn't plasmawave but has an ozone
>> free ionizer that can be turned on and off. HEPA of course.
>
> I have certainly used many air cleaners over the years... I worry
> that the motor/fan ones contribute to ES, although that doesn't
> stop me from having the fan on my furnace running 24/7. :-)
>
> I also use cleaners that emit small amounts of ozone into the air...
> but probably not much more than you'd experience outdoors in
> the mountains. This keeps down the smell of any chemicals,
> pets, etc. I gave up on "ionizers" years ago, as they didn't
> appear to have any benefits, and destroyed the furniture
> and the walls.
>
> Marc
>

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steve
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Ozone really irritates my sinuses. I keep the Plasmawave off when I'm in the room, although I may keep them off becasue it seems to be killing my plants.
I am going to try the Rabbitair next. I like that the Blueair is made of metal but it doesn't seem to be getting rid of the dust.


--- On Tue, 3/23/10, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:

> From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: RADAR
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Tuesday, March 23, 2010, 11:40 AM
> > This is interesting. Does anyone
> here use an air cleaner? I have
> > experimented with Blueair, Winix and other Plasmawave
> air cleaners.
> > I am going to try Rabbitair next, which isn't
> plasmawave but has an ozone
> > free ionizer that can be turned on and off. HEPA of
> course.
>
> I have certainly used many air cleaners over the years... I
> worry
> that the motor/fan ones contribute to ES, although that
> doesn't
> stop me from having the fan on my furnace running
> 24/7.  :-)
>
> I also use cleaners that emit small amounts of ozone into
> the air...
> but probably not much more than you'd experience outdoors
> in
> the mountains.  This keeps down the smell of any
> chemicals,
> pets, etc.  I gave up on "ionizers" years ago, as they
> didn't
> appear to have any benefits, and destroyed the furniture
> and the walls.
>
> Marc
>
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K
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K
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We have the Aller Air MCS Air Medic. cost around $1200, no ozone, three filters, pre-filter, carbon filter, and the HEPA filter. Can't stand the magnetic field off of it. It's a shielded motor, no glues in the construction of it. We run it when I'm not home.
Kris




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Sent: Tue, March 23, 2010 9:48:15 AM
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This is interesting. Does anyone here use an air cleaner? I have experimented with Blueair, Winix and other Plasmawave air cleaners.
I am going to try Rabbitair next, which isn't plasmawave but has an ozone free ionizer that can be turned on and off. HEPA of course.
Steve

--- On Tue, 3/23/10, Jennie Wassenaar <[hidden email]> wrote:

> From: Jennie Wassenaar <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: RADAR
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Tuesday, March 23, 2010, 3:29 AM
> Paul & Diane,
>
> I'm just jumping into this topic so forgive me if I have
> misinterpreted your posts or am repeating something.
>
> Following are some exerts from The Healing Energies of
> Magnets by Roger Coghill. From what I've experienced
> and heard magnetic therapy is not for us EMS
> sufferers. But I did like this book for explaining
> electromagnetic fields.
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>
> Our bodies make extensive use of
> ions for transmitting electric signals between the brain and
> and the nerves. So it is not surprising that large
> quantities of ions, whether natural or artificial in origin,
> can affect human health. (we feel better when the air
> is negatively charged)
> Prior to a storm water-laden clouds
> become negatively charged, due to friction between the water
> molecules and the air through which the cloud passes.
> Positive ions then accumulate beneath the cloud. As
> the clouds progress down the sky, these positive ions pile
> up and the wind begins to push them ahead of the clouds.
> The Earth's surface is also
> negatively charged as a result of chemical reactions at it's
> core. This high level of positive ions before a storm
> creates a distinct feeling or airlessness or stuffiness in
> the atmosphere (and physical discomfort to some).
> Eventually the attraction between the negative and positive
> charges overcomes the air's resistance and the result is a
> flash or more of lightning. Thunder then rolls and
> down comes the rain. After the storm how clear and
> sweet the air appears! This is because the air is now
> surcharged with negative ions and the balance of negative
> and positive charges on the Earth's surface has been
> restored.
>
> Other places that have natural negative ions are in the
> mountains and at the seashore. I know I always feel
> better when we vacation in the mountains. And people
> have been traveling to the seashore for centuries to feel
> better , but maybe it's the view. :)
>
> Paul, I can relate to your memory issues. Post it
> Notes have become my friend. And the sleepless
> nights. I hope that clears up for you soon.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Jennie
>
>
>
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> Sent: Tue, March 23, 2010 5:57:05 AM
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>
> Hi Diana, I cant recall how I feel as its been a while,
> definitely not a
> release unless the storm really works itself out. As
> for memory I a getting
> very concerned at the state of my memory, I am starting to
> loose chunks
> and short term is really bad, I feel spaced out, this is
> probably due to
> broken sleep (wake at 3.30am every morn and then
> fight to fall asleep) and
> overdoing it on this thing, I will have to go back to
> my laptop at a distance
> instead of being 600mm from the screen at
> present. Ironically I have missed
> my medical for benefit state claims twicw now cos I
> literally forgot - I
> have to pull my self out of this nose dive, yet again
> thank heavens I have
> made it through another dark dreary winter - its been
> Plasma TV hell !
>
> PUK
>
>
> In a message dated 22/03/2010 17:22:09 GMT Standard Time,
> evie15422@yahoo. com writes:
>
> Hi, Paul,
>
> I react similarly--I pick up on what I think is a
> growing instability in
> the atmosphere before a storm. It can affect my
> whole body sometimes.
> There is a growing pressure and anxiety within me
> (along with many
> symptoms--EMS and other) and when the storm actually hits,
> I feel release. Is this how
> you react as well?
>
> Be well,
> Diane
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