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sandimaurer
Has anyone, who switched to a non metal bed slept better and had
better sleep sustained?

Do RF filters work even though the outlet breaker is OFF?

for those who have measured rf. Is there a point of understanding how
it works? Have you been able to get a sense of safety (ability to
protect oneself) with it?

I am struggling with safety, fears and not knowing how to hold it all.
At first I didn't want to know about the RF, and now that I opened the
box I am disturbed. I am equally disturbed about the chem trails which
I do think will be revealed as an ES issue considering they seem to be
dusting the atmosphere with aluminum and barium and will either use
the HAARP facillity or some way of using radio waves to control the
weather or create a defense shield.
 

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Paul Coffman
When I'm in a bad RF place, a metal bed is much worse than sleeping on a
non-metal futon for me, because the strings act like a giant antenna. But
if there isn''t an rf issue, the metal bed makes no difference to me. Also,
some metals bother me more than others, anybody have any idea why that would
be?

On 3/15/07, sandimaurer <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> Has anyone, who switched to a non metal bed slept better and had
> better sleep sustained?
>
> Do RF filters work even though the outlet breaker is OFF?
>
> for those who have measured rf. Is there a point of understanding how
> it works? Have you been able to get a sense of safety (ability to
> protect oneself) with it?
>
> I am struggling with safety, fears and not knowing how to hold it all.
> At first I didn't want to know about the RF, and now that I opened the
> box I am disturbed. I am equally disturbed about the chem trails which
> I do think will be revealed as an ES issue considering they seem to be
> dusting the atmosphere with aluminum and barium and will either use
> the HAARP facillity or some way of using radio waves to control the
> weather or create a defense shield.
>
>
>  
>



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Ian Kemp
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Sue has definitely slept better since using a foam mattress (or airbed if
staying in other locations). As Paul says, it makes little difference in a
benign EM environment, but is important where there are significant fields.
Different metals have different ability to absorb, and also different
"internal frequencies"
 
Facing fear is one of the toughest aspects of ES, especially when it's newly
developing and you don't know what's happening or what to do. Do carry on
looking at things which you can control and change yourself, preferably
easily - like mattress type, basic shielding from known high emissions,
avoiding dimmer switches etc. A couple of "quick wins" are a real help in
knowing what can be faced. When short-term coping strategies are
established, it's easier to take a deep breath and look at possibilities for
treatment, or lobbying against external factors which aren't under our
control and will take a long time to change. There's a danger in trying some
major treatments too early before you're sure about all the things that are
happening to you - or even the right long-term treatment done at the wrong
time or in the wrong way.
 
Ian

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From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
sandimaurer
Sent: 16 March 2007 01:52
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [eSens] Questions:



Has anyone, who switched to a non metal bed slept better and had
better sleep sustained?

Do RF filters work even though the outlet breaker is OFF?

for those who have measured rf. Is there a point of understanding how
it works? Have you been able to get a sense of safety (ability to
protect oneself) with it?

I am struggling with safety, fears and not knowing how to hold it all.
At first I didn't want to know about the RF, and now that I opened the
box I am disturbed. I am equally disturbed about the chem trails which
I do think will be revealed as an ES issue considering they seem to be
dusting the atmosphere with aluminum and barium and will either use
the HAARP facillity or some way of using radio waves to control the
weather or create a defense shield.




 


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pegpare9
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Write to Sen.Kay Baily Hutchinson of Texas and complain of the weather experiments if you are concerned of those experiments and HAARP. She sponsored them.
 
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To: [hidden email]
Sent: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 7:29 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Questions:


When I'm in a bad RF place, a metal bed is much worse than sleeping on a
non-metal futon for me, because the strings act like a giant antenna. But
if there isn''t an rf issue, the metal bed makes no difference to me. Also,
some metals bother me more than others, anybody have any idea why that would
be?

On 3/15/07, sandimaurer <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> Has anyone, who switched to a non metal bed slept better and had
> better sleep sustained?
>
> Do RF filters work even though the outlet breaker is OFF?
>
> for those who have measured rf. Is there a point of understanding how
> it works? Have you been able to get a sense of safety (ability to
> protect oneself) with it?
>
> I am struggling with safety, fears and not knowing how to hold it all.
> At first I didn't want to know about the RF, and now that I opened the
> box I am disturbed. I am equally disturbed about the chem trails which
> I do think will be revealed as an ES issue considering they seem to be
> dusting the atmosphere with aluminum and barium and will either use
> the HAARP facillity or some way of using radio waves to control the
> weather or create a defense shield.
>
>
>
>

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charles-4
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The problem with metal parts on beds, whether they are hinges, or spiralled
mattress supports, or metal springs inside mattresses, or normal boxspring
systems, lies not in the RF region, but simple in magnetic static fields.
They may become enormous.
And may cause electrosensibility.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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----- Original Message -----
From: "sandimaurer" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 02:52
Subject: [eSens] Questions:


> Has anyone, who switched to a non metal bed slept better and had
> better sleep sustained?
>
> Do RF filters work even though the outlet breaker is OFF?
>
> for those who have measured rf. Is there a point of understanding how
> it works? Have you been able to get a sense of safety (ability to
> protect oneself) with it?
>
> I am struggling with safety, fears and not knowing how to hold it all.
> At first I didn't want to know about the RF, and now that I opened the
> box I am disturbed. I am equally disturbed about the chem trails which
> I do think will be revealed as an ES issue considering they seem to be
> dusting the atmosphere with aluminum and barium and will either use
> the HAARP facillity or some way of using radio waves to control the
> weather or create a defense shield.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

PUK
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PUK
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In a message dated 3/16/2007 12:43:22 PM GMT Standard Time,
[hidden email] writes:

The problem with metal parts on beds, whether they are hinges, or spiralled
mattress supports, or metal springs inside mattresses, or normal boxspring
systems, lies not in the RF region, but simple in magnetic static fields.
They may become enormous.
And may cause electrosensibility.

Greetings,

PAUL UK WRITES -



Charles - How do you measure these static feilds ? Also you tend to measure
body voltage I have my volt meter in front of me but have not got a clue
what setting to put it onto or where to insert the probes, could be a painful
mistake lets face it !

Paul Uk

ps Have you any ideas on the







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pete robinson
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iam what mattress?
i was thinking of getting a tempur

On 16 Mar 2007, at 06:05, Ian Kemp wrote:

> Sue has definitely slept better since using a foam mattress (or airbed
> if
> staying in other locations). As Paul says, it makes little difference
> in a
> benign EM environment, but is important where there are significant
> fields.
> Different metals have different ability to absorb, and also different
> "internal frequencies"
>
> Facing fear is one of the toughest aspects of ES, especially when
> it's newly
> developing and you don't know what's happening or what to do. Do
> carry on
> looking at things which you can control and change yourself,
> preferably
> easily - like mattress type, basic shielding from known high
> emissions,
> avoiding dimmer switches etc. A couple of "quick wins" are a real
> help in
> knowing what can be faced. When short-term coping strategies are
> established, it's easier to take a deep breath and look at
> possibilities for
> treatment, or lobbying against external factors which aren't under our
> control and will take a long time to change. There's a danger in
> trying some
> major treatments too early before you're sure about all the things
> that are
> happening to you - or even the right long-term treatment done at the
> wrong
> time or in the wrong way.
>
> Ian
>
> _____
>
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf
> Of
> sandimaurer
> Sent: 16 March 2007 01:52
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [eSens] Questions:
>
> Has anyone, who switched to a non metal bed slept better and had
> better sleep sustained?
>
> Do RF filters work even though the outlet breaker is OFF?
>
> for those who have measured rf. Is there a point of understanding how
> it works? Have you been able to get a sense of safety (ability to
> protect oneself) with it?
>
> I am struggling with safety, fears and not knowing how to hold it all.
> At first I didn't want to know about the RF, and now that I opened the
> box I am disturbed. I am equally disturbed about the chem trails which
> I do think will be revealed as an ES issue considering they seem to be
> dusting the atmosphere with aluminum and barium and will either use
> the HAARP facillity or some way of using radio waves to control the
> weather or create a defense shield.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>  
>  

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Paul Coffman
Thing about tempurpedic is I think they have quite an odor to them if have
MCS as well.

On 3/16/07, pete robinson <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> iam what mattress?
> i was thinking of getting a tempur
>
> On 16 Mar 2007, at 06:05, Ian Kemp wrote:
>
> > Sue has definitely slept better since using a foam mattress (or airbed
> > if
> > staying in other locations). As Paul says, it makes little difference
> > in a
> > benign EM environment, but is important where there are significant
> > fields.
> > Different metals have different ability to absorb, and also different
> > "internal frequencies"
> >
> > Facing fear is one of the toughest aspects of ES, especially when
> > it's newly
> > developing and you don't know what's happening or what to do. Do
> > carry on
> > looking at things which you can control and change yourself,
> > preferably
> > easily - like mattress type, basic shielding from known high
> > emissions,
> > avoiding dimmer switches etc. A couple of "quick wins" are a real
> > help in
> > knowing what can be faced. When short-term coping strategies are
> > established, it's easier to take a deep breath and look at
> > possibilities for
> > treatment, or lobbying against external factors which aren't under our
> > control and will take a long time to change. There's a danger in
> > trying some
> > major treatments too early before you're sure about all the things
> > that are
> > happening to you - or even the right long-term treatment done at the
> > wrong
> > time or in the wrong way.
> >
> > Ian
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:
> [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf
> > Of
> > sandimaurer
> > Sent: 16 March 2007 01:52
> > To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [eSens] Questions:
> >
> > Has anyone, who switched to a non metal bed slept better and had
> > better sleep sustained?
> >
> > Do RF filters work even though the outlet breaker is OFF?
> >
> > for those who have measured rf. Is there a point of understanding how
> > it works? Have you been able to get a sense of safety (ability to
> > protect oneself) with it?
> >
> > I am struggling with safety, fears and not knowing how to hold it all.
> > At first I didn't want to know about the RF, and now that I opened the
> > box I am disturbed. I am equally disturbed about the chem trails which
> > I do think will be revealed as an ES issue considering they seem to be
> > dusting the atmosphere with aluminum and barium and will either use
> > the HAARP facillity or some way of using radio waves to control the
> > weather or create a defense shield.
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>  
>



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Marc Martin
Administrator
> Thing about tempurpedic is I think they have quite an odor to them if
> have MCS as well.

I have used a tempurpedic pillow for many years... I don't recall being
bothered by an odor. You can see for yourself at a showroom if there
is an odor which bothers you. I have read that Tempur allow the
mattresses to offgass before selling them.

Marc

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PUK
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In a message dated 3/16/2007 7:28:51 PM GMT Standard Time,  
[hidden email] writes:

iam what mattress?
i was thinking of getting a tempur

On 16 Mar 2007, at 06:05, Ian Kemp wrote:

> Sue has definitely slept better since using a foam mattress (or airbed
> if
> staying in other locations). As Paul says, it makes little difference



PAUL UK WRITES
 
Try Simmons bed-in-a-bag, a part foam and viscoelastic mattress which comes  
delivered rolled up in a vacumepacked bag. Open it Unroll it and leave it  
for as I did 10 days in well ventilated room/space. It is a medium/firm double
which cost me approx £350 delivered ordered it from internet. I would say
these are good value for money a fraction of the price of a TEMPUR, ok youpay
for what you get but you might find that the mattress issue was a red  
herring for you, so this is a good way to hedge your bets. I am delighted with the
Simmons mattress, but be warned all new visco elastic products give off an
odour for a while, fire retardants and glues I guess.



   


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charles-4
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Hallo Paul,

static magnetic fields are generally measured with a magnetometer.

Also a compass can help.
Adjust the compass, so that the needle directs to the N of the compass
scale.
Then move the compass slowly over the thing spot you want to measure.
When there is a magnetic dtatic field, the needle will turn and go away from
the N.
Sometimes 50-60-80 degrees, sometimes it will turn on its axis.

Body voltage is measured with the black wire connected to a ground, and the
red one holded in the hand, but, when lying on the bed, so the body does not
have contact with the ground.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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----- Original Message -----
From: <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 14:13
Subject: Re: [eSens] Questions:


> In a message dated 3/16/2007 12:43:22 PM GMT Standard Time,
> [hidden email] writes:
>
> The problem with metal parts on beds, whether they are hinges, or
> spiralled
> mattress supports, or metal springs inside mattresses, or normal boxspring
> systems, lies not in the RF region, but simple in magnetic static fields.
> They may become enormous.
> And may cause electrosensibility.
>
> Greetings,
>
> PAUL UK WRITES -
>
>
>
> Charles - How do you measure these static feilds ? Also you tend to
> measure
> body voltage I have my volt meter in front of me but have not got a clue
> what setting to put it onto or where to insert the probes, could be a
> painful
> mistake lets face it !
>
> Paul Uk
>
> ps Have you any ideas on the
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

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SArjuna
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No, RF filters cannnot work if the circuit is off, as they filter the
high frequencies present in the electrical current in the circuit they are
plugged into.

It is possible, though that when the circuit is off, there will be very
low voltage high frequency current running on the conduit, induced from some
other circuit that is still on!

Shivani
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SArjuna
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Charles wrote:
The problem with metal parts on beds, whether they are hinges, or spiralled
mattress supports, or metal springs inside mattresses, or normal boxspring
systems, lies not in the RF region, but simple in magnetic static fields.
They may become enormous.
And may cause electrosensibility.

Charles, where can we read research showing that magnetic static fields
cause ES symptoms?

Thanks,
Shivani


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charles-4
Hello Shivani,

for instance *Stress durch Strom und Strahlung* by Wolfgang Maes.

And I have found so many times in my building biological surveys of houses.

When people exchanged their metal beds of beds with metal parts for a
complete wooden bed, they could sleep again despite mobile phone masts.

These magnetic static fields are good measurable, and are mostly from metal
parts and even in steel supporting beams.
Earth beams and underground water beams are quite very small in
comparishment, although they alone can be a source for illnesses sometimes
also. These fall more under the theme *energetic*.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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----- Original Message -----
From: <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 20:23
Subject: [eSens] Re: Questions:


> Charles wrote:
> The problem with metal parts on beds, whether they are hinges, or
> spiralled
> mattress supports, or metal springs inside mattresses, or normal boxspring
> systems, lies not in the RF region, but simple in magnetic static fields.
> They may become enormous.
> And may cause electrosensibility.
>
> Charles, where can we read research showing that magnetic static
> fields
> cause ES symptoms?
>
> Thanks,
> Shivani
>

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RE: Questions: foam mattress

Ian Kemp
In reply to this post by pete robinson
We got a pretty basic foam mattress from a bed store. It needed a month or
two in the garage to offgas though! Since then Sue has used it OK.
Ian

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From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of pete
robinson
Sent: 16 March 2007 13:17
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [eSens] Questions:



iam what mattress?
i was thinking of getting a tempur

On 16 Mar 2007, at 06:05, Ian Kemp wrote:

> Sue has definitely slept better since using a foam mattress (or airbed
> if
> staying in other locations). As Paul says, it makes little difference
> in a
> benign EM environment, but is important where there are significant
> fields.
> Different metals have different ability to absorb, and also different
> "internal frequencies"
>
> Facing fear is one of the toughest aspects of ES, especially when
> it's newly
> developing and you don't know what's happening or what to do. Do
> carry on
> looking at things which you can control and change yourself,
> preferably
> easily - like mattress type, basic shielding from known high
> emissions,
> avoiding dimmer switches etc. A couple of "quick wins" are a real
> help in
> knowing what can be faced. When short-term coping strategies are
> established, it's easier to take a deep breath and look at
> possibilities for
> treatment, or lobbying against external factors which aren't under our
> control and will take a long time to change. There's a danger in
> trying some
> major treatments too early before you're sure about all the things
> that are
> happening to you - or even the right long-term treatment done at the
> wrong
> time or in the wrong way.
>
> Ian
>
> _____
>
> From: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com
[mailto:eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com] On Behalf

> Of
> sandimaurer
> Sent: 16 March 2007 01:52
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com
> Subject: [eSens] Questions:
>
> Has anyone, who switched to a non metal bed slept better and had
> better sleep sustained?
>
> Do RF filters work even though the outlet breaker is OFF?
>
> for those who have measured rf. Is there a point of understanding how
> it works? Have you been able to get a sense of safety (ability to
> protect oneself) with it?
>
> I am struggling with safety, fears and not knowing how to hold it all.
> At first I didn't want to know about the RF, and now that I opened the
> box I am disturbed. I am equally disturbed about the chem trails which
> I do think will be revealed as an ES issue considering they seem to be
> dusting the atmosphere with aluminum and barium and will either use
> the HAARP facillity or some way of using radio waves to control the
> weather or create a defense shield.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>

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