Question About LCD Screens and Symptoms

Hi folks:

I am a bit fascinated about a phenomenon that some ES members of this
list group have mentioned at times, namely, that they develop certain
symptoms -- such as burning eyes, burning skin, headaches, etc. --
after looking at an LCD display (i.e., video monitor for a desktop PC
or latop, etc.) for a while, along with reports that this does not
happen for them with the older-style and bulkier CRT (cathode-ray
tube) monitors. I would like to know more about this phenomenon, and
thus, if this happens for you, I would love to hear:
* what are your symptoms?
* how severe are they?
* how long must you use the LCD monitor before symptoms appear?
* if you have tried using a transparent electrostatic
shield/screen, has this helped, and how much?
* if you have tried using an area treatment device for "EMF
relief", has this helped, and how much?
* if you have tried using a PC software program such as Quantum
Byte of similar, has this helped, and how much?
If you can give me some information, I am willing to spend a bit of
time researching this both in meditation and in the lab, to see if I
might be able to come up with some possible ways of approaching this issue.

Personally, I use an LCD monitor here, and I do not believe that I
have noticed any such symptoms. Of course, I am also not particularly
electrosensitive. Overall, I prefer LCD monitors because they have a
smaller size and mass, and because they offer far better and more
vivid colors and better resolution, but I must admit that I am
fascinated by the reports of symptoms due to use of these monitors!

Thanks!

with care,
--Vinny



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Hi Vinny,

Well, it's been awhile since I've used an LCD monitor for
any length of time, but I can try to answer some of your
questions:

> * what are your symptoms?

The skin on my face (mostly my cheeks) becomes dry, "hot",
and red. "Burning face" is a good description for me, as
it feels like a sunburn. There may also be headaches,
but I can't remember. Also, using an LCD computer monitor
for any length of time makes me much more sensitive to
overhead fluorescent lighting -- CRTs do not do this.

> * how severe are they?

Severe enough that I've had to abandon using an LCD monitor...
and I've purchased 2 over the last few years... :-/

> * how long must you use the LCD monitor before symptoms appear?

That depends on previous usage. On day one, I probably could
stand it for hours. On day two, about half that time. As time
goes on, my daily tolerance gradually reduces to zero.

> * if you have tried using a transparent electrostatic
> shield/screen, has this helped, and how much?

Yes, I tried using a glass screen with ground wire. It seemed
like it helped a little, but not nearly enough. Also, turning
down the brightness of the backlight helps -- probably more
than the glass screen.

> * if you have tried using an area treatment device for "EMF
> relief", has this helped, and how much?

I've found that by using high amounts of Quantum Products
(e.g., Quantum Pro) turned all the way up, this lessens my symptoms,
but doesn't make them go away. I don't require nearly as
much EMF protection for CRT monitors.

> * if you have tried using a PC software program such as Quantum
> Byte of similar, has this helped, and how much?

Can't recall -- seems to me that I needed something stronger than
that.

I suspect the problem is due to the flourescent backlight, and
am waiting to test that theory as soon as LED backlit
monitors become affordable.

Marc

Hello Vinny,

colors on CRT monitors are of better quality and do perform higher
resolutions, as the LCD screens are limited in that.

Be aware that both CRT and LCS monitors do emit nasty signals, mostly around
30 kHz, for which electrosensibles are sensible to.

On http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina109.html
I have placed the sounds of those signals.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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Subject: [eSens] Question About LCD Screens and Symptoms

What device/devices has measured these sounds ?

Ps - The plane overhead is interesting as I live in a flight path about
5-6am they are all starting to stack/decend could this explain partly whit I feel
like sh..t in the mornings and my tinitis goes high pitch crazy sometimes ?

Paul

PPS - like the trees sound presumably its picking up radio and all manner of
sounds, also presumably depending on species/size/leaf size/shape soil type
etc.. they will respond to varying emr in different ways. Maybe some trees
will die out if the right frequency is reached ? The horse chestnut is in
troble in this country..

Paul


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Hello Paul,

it would be better understandable for most listees, if a part of the earlier
posting was mentioned.

Now, one has to guess to which posting you are referring to.

I do know a lady, who *feels* airplanes before she can see them.
Probably it is the radar the planes are using, or it is the low-frequency
sound vibrations she feels.


Trees pick up an enormous load of high frequencies.
I have been told that some 15 years ago, a farmer in germany had a tree
dying.
He placed a thick screw in the tree-trunk, connected a thick wire to it,
and the other end of the long cable was connected to a grounding rod farther
away.
The tree recovered completely.

Chestnut trees are all in trouble.
But in Belgium, somebody found that is is a smal caterpillar, that is a
reason for the trouble.
Just placing wide adhesive bands around the trunk may prevent this.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 10:15
Subject: Re: [eSens] Question About LCD Screens and Symptoms

Please excuse the short trip down memory lane:
 
The Echo satellite used to open our electric garage door when it passed over in the middle of the night. Spooky!
 
In the early days of satellite, satellites were still such a novelty that the local newspaper printed the times that Echo passed over our area. Sure enough, it always coincided with the times our garage door would open "by itself."
 
It is therefore not surprising that someone directly under a flight path may feel
it. We are being bombarded in one way or another virtually all of the time.
 
Best regards,
 
Phyllicia

charles <[hidden email]> wrote: Hello Paul,
 
it would be better understandable for most listees, if a part of the earlier
posting was mentioned.
 
Now, one has to guess to which posting you are referring to.
 
I do know a lady, who *feels* airplanes before she can see them.
Probably it is the radar the planes are using, or it is the low-frequency
sound vibrations she feels.
 
Trees pick up an enormous load of high frequencies.
I have been told that some 15 years ago, a farmer in germany had a tree
dying.
He placed a thick screw in the tree-trunk, connected a thick wire to it,
and the other end of the long cable was connected to a grounding rod farther
away.
The tree recovered completely.
 
Chestnut trees are all in trouble.
But in Belgium, somebody found that is is a smal caterpillar, that is a
reason for the trouble.
Just placing wide adhesive bands around the trunk may prevent this.
 
Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton Antivirus
 
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To: <[hidden email]>
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Subject: Re: [eSens] Question About LCD Screens and Symptoms
   
 
     
 

 
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--- In [hidden email], Vinny Pinto <vinny@...> wrote:
>
> Hi folks:
>
> I am a bit fascinated about a phenomenon that some ES members of
this
> list group have mentioned at times, namely, that they develop
certain
> symptoms -- such as burning eyes, burning skin, headaches, etc. --
> after looking at an LCD display (i.e., video monitor for a desktop
PC
> or latop, etc.) for a while, along with reports that this does not
> happen for them with the older-style and bulkier CRT (cathode-ray
> tube) monitors. I would like to know more about this phenomenon,
and I
> might be able to come up with some possible ways of approaching
this issue.
>
> Personally, I use an LCD monitor here, and I do not believe that I
> have noticed any such symptoms. Of course, I am also not
particularly
> electrosensitive. Overall, I prefer LCD monitors because they have
a to:
> http://www.vinnypinto.us
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>


Hi Vinny These symptoms are not confined to LCD monitors.
I have a CRT monitor and have become sensitive. I have ears ringing
all the time, the sceen looks brighter than normal at the average
screen brightness levels and if I use the computer for too long it
looks really really bright whatever brightness level it is on.

I bought a screen filter which stops 99%of vlf and elf electric
fields and this has helped although I still have the symptoms but
they take a bit longer to get worse than they did before. I cannot
watch the big widescreen TV we have at all now because it looks
really bright all the time and is now starting to look kind of fuzzy
now as well as if I can see the electricity on the screen. I gather
that the electric fields from LCD monitors do not reach nearly as far
as those of CRT monitors and I have heard that LCD monitos often
produce less symptoms than CRT ones do. One other problem I think I
have with my computer is that I sit close to the case with the
components in and I read that the hard drive has a stong field. I
don't know if you know this aleady but at electrosensitivity.org the
owner of the site uses a projector to watch TV and use the computer
on and he says he gets no symptoms at all from this. I'm guessing
this is mainly because of the distance he sits away from the devices.

I also have symtoms from fridges radios and I can also feel the
fields from the big TV when I am upstairs and the Tv is downstairs so
it is notjust from looking at the screen that the symptoms arise.
There is alot of talk about heavy metals being to blame on here and
some people are sying that their symptoms have lessened after
detoxing. I actually wonder if the metals go to the side of your head
that you normally sleep on because on one side of my head my ear
rings alot more than the other. Or if that sides begins to conduct
electricity more because of the currents running through the metal in
the mattress.

Hope this is useful  

from Richard G