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Nikolaj Holtermann

Mar 18, 2004; 5:27pm

QXCI SCIO

I just tried this machine monday. It was a 5 hours long session, and whatever showed up of details - concerning nutrition, pathogenes, organs, psychological etc. - I was able to verify from my many previous biochemical etc. tests.

For me, this machine seemed very trustworthy - and passed my rational, positivistic mind. Has anyone else tried this or similar?

Is there any problems specifically with the QXCI SCIO, as I would very much like to buy one oneday :-)

I know there are several competitors - anyone cheaper? (possible not anyone better :-) )

Nikolaj

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Nikolaj Holtermann,
cand. scient., sundhedskonsulent

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charles-2

Mar 18, 2004; 8:50pm

Re: QXCI SCIO

Hello Nikolaj Holtermann,

the QXCI machine is here off-topic.

But since we here discuss the negative effects of frequency radiation, we
can also discuss the positive effects of frequency radiation.

Around 1930 a certain Royal Rife build a mechanic microscope, with which one
could see the cancer virus. (the other microscopes killed the virusses
instantly).
By placing certain frequencies on those cancer virusses, they died. One
could see that. There are still films available.
He then build the Rife machines, where the patients were radiated by means
of a helium filled phantaron lamp. Nowadays the machines are build like
Rife/Bare and others.
The frequencies are generated by a programmable frequency generator (0.5 Hz
to 1 KHz).
At the same moment Lakhovsky build his Multiple Wave Oscillator, where a
multitude of frequencies were radiated by two large round antennas.
(Both Rife and Lakhovsky were successfull in curing cancer and other
diseases.)
Then there came the *pad* devices, wher the frequencies were given by hand-
and footelectrodes.
Added to the frequency generator were the frequencies of Hulda Clark (1 kHz
to 1 MHz)
And there is the *poor mans Rife*, where the frequencies are generated on
the computer and given by a hand electrode via the sound card, or via a
sound audio CD.
There ia also a pad device, called the F-scan, which sends quickly a great
number of frequencies through the body in order to find a response. Those
frequencies, that respond can be used for treatment.
The QXCI machine has strap electrodes, placed on the ankles, wrists and the
(fore)head.
Within 5 minutes, it makes a complete scan of the body, and can apply the
needed frequencies.
All machines fall unmder the term *Bioresonance*.

The MORI, a powerfull pad device with Rife and Clark frequencies, as well as
the Lakhovsky MWO are still manufactured and sold in the netherlands.
I own them both, with success.

Treatments with bioresonance does no harm to electrosensibles .

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
http://members.rott.chello.nl/cclaessens/
http://www.hese-project.org
checked by Norton Antivirus

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nikolaj Holtermann" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 18:27
Subject: [eSens] QXCI SCIO

> I just tried this machine monday. It was a 5 hours long session, and
whatever showed up of details - concerning nutrition, pathogenes, organs,
psychological etc. - I was able to verify from my many previous biochemical
etc. tests.
>
> For me, this machine seemed very trustworthy - and passed my rational,
positivistic mind. Has anyone else tried this or similar?
>
> Is there any problems specifically with the QXCI SCIO, as I would very
much like to buy one oneday :-)
>
> I know there are several competitors - anyone cheaper? (possible not
anyone better :-) )

>
> Nikolaj
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> Nikolaj Holtermann,
> cand. scient., sundhedskonsulent
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> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Marc Martin

Mar 18, 2004; 8:59pm

Re: QXCI SCIO

Administrator

> the QXCI machine is here off-topic.

I don't know specific information about the QXCI machine,
but it sounds like it can be used for treating illnesses.
So, if it can be used to treat and improve ones ES symptoms,
then I would consider such discussions ON-topic.

Marc

Anders Eriksson

Mar 23, 2004; 4:23pm

Re: QXCI SCIO

In reply to this post by charles-2

Hello Charles,

I am as usual asking for scientific proofs, in this case concerning
"Both Rife and Lakhovsky were successful in curing cancer and other
diseases". I guess there are none!

As for Hulda Clark, there is about 10.000.000$ reasons why she have
written all here books. I have tried to find some reliable facts
regarding here "research", but there is nothing to be found!

And by the way, a negative effect of the "ZAPPER" is that the red blood
cells are "glued" together in rolls (like a pile of coins). This effect
on the red blood cells is typical for ES people when they are exposed to
fields that harm them. I guess that this means less oxygen to the cells
in the body.

greetings

Anders Eriksson

charles wrote:

> Hello Nikolaj Holtermann,
>
> the QXCI machine is here off-topic.
>
> But since we here discuss the negative effects of frequency radiation, we
> can also discuss the positive effects of frequency radiation.
>
> Around 1930 a certain Royal Rife build a mechanic microscope, with which one
> could see the cancer virus. (the other microscopes killed the virusses
> instantly).
> By placing certain frequencies on those cancer virusses, they died. One
> could see that. There are still films available.
> He then build the Rife machines, where the patients were radiated by means
> of a helium filled phantaron lamp. Nowadays the machines are build like
> Rife/Bare and others.
> The frequencies are generated by a programmable frequency generator (0.5 Hz
> to 1 KHz).
> At the same moment Lakhovsky build his Multiple Wave Oscillator, where a
> multitude of frequencies were radiated by two large round antennas.
> (Both Rife and Lakhovsky were successfull in curing cancer and other
> diseases.)
> Then there came the *pad* devices, wher the frequencies were given by hand-
> and footelectrodes.
> Added to the frequency generator were the frequencies of Hulda Clark (1 kHz
> to 1 MHz)
> And there is the *poor mans Rife*, where the frequencies are generated on
> the computer and given by a hand electrode via the sound card, or via a
> sound audio CD.
> There ia also a pad device, called the F-scan, which sends quickly a great
> number of frequencies through the body in order to find a response. Those
> frequencies, that respond can be used for treatment.
> The QXCI machine has strap electrodes, placed on the ankles, wrists and the
> (fore)head.
> Within 5 minutes, it makes a complete scan of the body, and can apply the
> needed frequencies.
> All machines fall unmder the term *Bioresonance*.
>
> The MORI, a powerfull pad device with Rife and Clark frequencies, as well as
> the Lakhovsky MWO are still manufactured and sold in the netherlands.
> I own them both, with success.
>
> Treatments with bioresonance does no harm to electrosensibles .
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> http://members.rott.chello.nl/cclaessens/
> http://www.hese-project.org
> checked by Norton Antivirus
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nikolaj Holtermann" <[hidden email]>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 18:27
> Subject: [eSens] QXCI SCIO
>
>
>
>>I just tried this machine monday. It was a 5 hours long session, and
>
> whatever showed up of details - concerning nutrition, pathogenes, organs,
> psychological etc. - I was able to verify from my many previous biochemical
> etc. tests.
>
>>For me, this machine seemed very trustworthy - and passed my rational,
>
> positivistic mind. Has anyone else tried this or similar?
>
>>Is there any problems specifically with the QXCI SCIO, as I would very
>
> much like to buy one oneday :-)
>
>>I know there are several competitors - anyone cheaper? (possible not
>
> anyone better :-) )
>
>>Nikolaj
>>
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>>Nikolaj Holtermann,
>>cand. scient., sundhedskonsulent
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>>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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>>Yahoo! Groups Links
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charles-2

Mar 23, 2004; 4:42pm

Re: QXCI SCIO

Hello Anders Eriksson,

there are a lot of people around the world that use successfully the
machines of Rife as those of Lakhovsky.
You may look at http://www.rifeforum.com/

There are also a lot of people who use her Zapper successfully.
Although the Terminator2 from Don Croft is easier to handle.
And I prefer a frequency generator for all the other frequencies.

I do not need *scientific* proof, because I have seen enough.

Charles Claessens

----- Original Message -----
From: "Anders Eriksson" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 17:23
Subject: Re: [eSens] QXCI SCIO

> Hello Charles,
>
> I am as usual asking for scientific proofs, in this case concerning
> "Both Rife and Lakhovsky were successful in curing cancer and other
> diseases". I guess there are none!
>
> As for Hulda Clark, there is about 10.000.000$ reasons why she have
> written all here books. I have tried to find some reliable facts
> regarding here "research", but there is nothing to be found!
>
> And by the way, a negative effect of the "ZAPPER" is that the red blood
> cells are "glued" together in rolls (like a pile of coins). This effect
> on the red blood cells is typical for ES people when they are exposed to
> fields that harm them. I guess that this means less oxygen to the cells
> in the body.
>
> greetings
>
> Anders Eriksson
>
> charles wrote:
> > Hello Nikolaj Holtermann,
> >
> > the QXCI machine is here off-topic.
> >
> > But since we here discuss the negative effects of frequency radiation,

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we
> > can also discuss the positive effects of frequency radiation.
> >
> > Around 1930 a certain Royal Rife build a mechanic microscope, with which
one
> > could see the cancer virus. (the other microscopes killed the virusses
> > instantly).
> > By placing certain frequencies on those cancer virusses, they died. One
> > could see that. There are still films available.
> > He then build the Rife machines, where the patients were radiated by
means
> > of a helium filled phantaron lamp. Nowadays the machines are build like
> > Rife/Bare and others.
> > The frequencies are generated by a programmable frequency generator (0.5
Hz
> > to 1 KHz).
> > At the same moment Lakhovsky build his Multiple Wave Oscillator, where a
> > multitude of frequencies were radiated by two large round antennas.
> > (Both Rife and Lakhovsky were successfull in curing cancer and other
> > diseases.)
> > Then there came the *pad* devices, wher the frequencies were given by
hand-
> > and footelectrodes.
> > Added to the frequency generator were the frequencies of Hulda Clark (1
kHz
> > to 1 MHz)
> > And there is the *poor mans Rife*, where the frequencies are generated
on
> > the computer and given by a hand electrode via the sound card, or via a
> > sound audio CD.
> > There ia also a pad device, called the F-scan, which sends quickly a
great
> > number of frequencies through the body in order to find a response.
Those
> > frequencies, that respond can be used for treatment.
> > The QXCI machine has strap electrodes, placed on the ankles, wrists and
the
> > (fore)head.
> > Within 5 minutes, it makes a complete scan of the body, and can apply
the
> > needed frequencies.
> > All machines fall unmder the term *Bioresonance*.
> >
> > The MORI, a powerfull pad device with Rife and Clark frequencies, as
well as

> > the Lakhovsky MWO are still manufactured and sold in the netherlands.
> > I own them both, with success.
> >
> > Treatments with bioresonance does no harm to electrosensibles .
> >
> > Greetings,
> > Charles Claessens
> > member Verband Baubiologie
> > http://members.rott.chello.nl/cclaessens/
> > http://www.hese-project.org
> > checked by Norton Antivirus
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Nikolaj Holtermann" <[hidden email]>
> > To: <[hidden email]>
> > Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 18:27
> > Subject: [eSens] QXCI SCIO
> >
> >
> >
> >>I just tried this machine monday. It was a 5 hours long session, and
> >
> > whatever showed up of details - concerning nutrition, pathogenes,

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organs,
> > psychological etc. - I was able to verify from my many previous
biochemical

> > etc. tests.
> >
> >>For me, this machine seemed very trustworthy - and passed my rational,
> >
> > positivistic mind. Has anyone else tried this or similar?
> >
> >>Is there any problems specifically with the QXCI SCIO, as I would very
> >
> > much like to buy one oneday :-)
> >
> >>I know there are several competitors - anyone cheaper? (possible not
> >
> > anyone better :-) )
> >
> >>Nikolaj
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> >>Nikolaj Holtermann,
> >>cand. scient., sundhedskonsulent
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Marc Martin

Mar 23, 2004; 5:01pm

Re: Rife, Lakhovsky

Administrator

In reply to this post by Anders Eriksson

> I am as usual asking for scientific proofs, in this case concerning
> "Both Rife and Lakhovsky were successful in curing cancer and other
> diseases". I guess there are none!

There seems to be a lot of information in books and on the Internet
about Rife and Lakhovsky. The consensus among many sources is that
they were able to eliminate cancer. So my question is -- what would
YOU consider to be scientific proof of events that took place over
50 years ago? Would ANYTHING that we could find be considered
"proof"? I doubt it.

I don't have any personal experiences with Rife technology, but
I have tried several EMF protection devices which claimed to be
based on the work of Lakhovsky. I had a quite strong reaction
to some of these.

> And by the way, a negative effect of the "ZAPPER"

The "Zapper" is one of the many things I tried several years ago.
It didn't seem to have any effect on me at all, good or bad.

Marc

Anders Eriksson

Mar 23, 2004; 6:55pm

Re: Rife, Lakhovsky

Hi Marc,

if I get things right, Rife- and Lakhovsky-devices are used at daily
basis around the world. Then it would be very easy to verify the
efficiency of the devices, or have I missed something?

greetings,

Anders Eriksson

Marc Martin wrote:

>>I am as usual asking for scientific proofs, in this case concerning
>>"Both Rife and Lakhovsky were successful in curing cancer and other
>>diseases". I guess there are none!
>
>
> There seems to be a lot of information in books and on the Internet
> about Rife and Lakhovsky. The consensus among many sources is that
> they were able to eliminate cancer. So my question is -- what would
> YOU consider to be scientific proof of events that took place over
> 50 years ago? Would ANYTHING that we could find be considered
> "proof"? I doubt it.
>
> I don't have any personal experiences with Rife technology, but
> I have tried several EMF protection devices which claimed to be
> based on the work of Lakhovsky. I had a quite strong reaction
> to some of these.
>
>
>>And by the way, a negative effect of the "ZAPPER"
>
>
> The "Zapper" is one of the many things I tried several years ago.
> It didn't seem to have any effect on me at all, good or bad.
>
> Marc
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Marc Martin

Mar 23, 2004; 7:14pm

Re: Rife, Lakhovsky

Administrator

> if I get things right, Rife- and Lakhovsky-devices are used at daily
> basis around the world. Then it would be very easy to verify the
> efficiency of the devices, or have I missed something?

Yes, but reports from people around the world who are using them is not
"scientific proof". Instead, these are merely testimonials or anecdotal
reports. But there do seem to be discussion forums and websites for
people using these types of devices, so you could find more information
there. The general impression I got was that hospitals don't want to
know that such devices exist, because cancer treatments is very
profitable, and hospitals would have to be shut down if there was such a
thing as a simple, cheap cure for cancer.

As I said before, there have been several EMF protection devices which
are supposed to be based on the work of Lakhovsky. A couple of years ago
I even did searches on "Lakhovsky" and bought every EMF protection device
that was based on his work, because I had such good results with one I
tried. I have not ever heard of any connection between Rife and EMF
protection or ES.

By the way, I have been considering buying a "Harmonizer" from
Bioharmonics.com, which is a similar type of frequency generator. I was
going to try it on my wife, as she claims that she cannot use Springlife
Polarizers because she doesn't have pockets and necklaces hurt her neck
(!). The person promoting these used to be interested in Rife (I even
own a videotape of her presenting at a Rife confernce), but she found
that a lot of people did not get better using modern Rife technology, so
she looked for something better to cure her of her own problems.

Marc

Marc Martin

Mar 23, 2004; 7:39pm

Re: Rife, Lakhovsky

Administrator

In reply to this post by Anders Eriksson

> if I get things right, Rife- and Lakhovsky-devices are used at daily
> basis around the world. Then it would be very easy to verify the
> efficiency of the devices, or have I missed something?

Also, if you do a search for "Rife" or "Lakhovsky" on the main
YahooGroups.com page, you will find multiple discussion groups with
hundreds of members discussing these sorts of devices. Certainly you may
find some answers about their usefulness there.

Discussions of such devices here should be limited to their applicability
to Electrical Sensitivity.

Marc