Power lines, and car

Sorry, this was supposed to go on my first post...
please read that one, so you will understand it.

Not only is my home of the charts, I thought I could find refuge
in my nissan murano. When I turn the air on, it registers 25 Milligauss!!
On the floor? 100!!!!!
So, not only are we loosing our house...do I dump my car too???

HELP

 
In a message dated 18/04/2011 00:22:41 GMT Daylight Time,  
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Sorry, this was supposed to go on my first post...
please read that one,  so you will understand it.

Not only is my home of the charts, I thought  I could find refuge
in my nissan murano. When I turn the air on, it  registers 25 Milligauss!!
On the floor? 100!!!!!
So, not only are we  loosing our house...do I dump my car too???

HELP





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no just dont turn the air on,
 
 
In a message dated 18/04/2011 00:22:41 GMT Daylight Time,  
[hidden email] writes:

 
 
 
Sorry, this was supposed to go on my first post...
please read that one,  so you will understand it.

Not only is my home of the charts, I thought  I could find refuge
in my nissan murano. When I turn the air on, it  registers 25 Milligauss!!
On the floor? 100!!!!!
So, not only are we  loosing our house...do I dump my car too???

HELP





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> no just dont turn the air on,

> When I turn the air on, it  registers 25 Milligauss!!

Actually, does it really matter if there is a high EMF reading
from the car fan being on?  I don't think the EMF from motors is
very harmful, despite the reading on the meter.

It's more often the high frequency square waves ("pulsed signals")
that cause the most damage, but those frequencies come from wi-fi,
cell phones, computers, TVs, "high efficiency" electronics, etc.
Not motors.

Marc

Ever feel a refrigerator? It hurts, badly.
That's an electric motor.
Eli

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> Ever feel a refrigerator? It hurts, badly.
> That's an electric motor.

I thought people mostly complained about NEW refrigerators,
which presumably have something in them in addition to
an electric motor?

But to answer your question, no, I have never noticed any
symptoms from any of the refrigerators I've owned
(although the one I have now must be 10+ years old)

Marc

I'm in Arizona :(  120 degree heat!

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Good! Because the readings scared the crud out of me!
100 on the floor!
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I don't know if I have symptoms from my car...I just wasn't sure
why the reading is so high!
ARe there EMFs in a car? My car readings are 6 milligauss without air,
25 with air..and 100 on the floor.
Every other car I have read/is half of that.
thoughts? Is that bad for health?

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Yes my fridge kills me but when I was staying in a remote area the older one did not bother me at all. LOni

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From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Power lines, and car
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, April 18, 2011, 8:08 AM


 



> Ever feel a refrigerator? It hurts, badly.
> That's an electric motor.

I thought people mostly complained about NEW refrigerators,
which presumably have something in them in addition to
an electric motor?

But to answer your question, no, I have never noticed any
symptoms from any of the refrigerators I've owned
(although the one I have now must be 10+ years old)

Marc







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sorry did not realize your locat - re your query re staying longer, that's  
got to be your call, you have to do the maths.....certainly finding a place
in  your home to sleep with the lowest emf readings would be a good start.
 
 
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I'm in Arizona :( 120 degree heat!

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for now just deal with the biggest threat, looks like your proximity to the
 lines from what you are saying is the golden bebe
 
 
In a message dated 18/04/2011 19:49:16 GMT Daylight Time,  
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I  don't know if I have symptoms from my car...I just wasn't sure
why the  reading is so high!
ARe there EMFs in a car? My car readings are 6  milligauss without air,
25 with air..and 100 on the floor.
Every other  car I have read/is half of that.
thoughts? Is that bad for  health?




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I react to my car too. I get a burning sensation.

Maureen

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Marc Martin wrote:
> Actually, does it really matter if there is a high EMF reading
> from the car fan being on?  I don't think the EMF from motors is
> very harmful, despite the reading on the meter.
>
>  

It is likely the field being measured is not from the gasoline solid
block of iron motor, but the wiring in the car, the amperage between the
generator and the battery, and if it is a new hybrid car, then the
high-high voltage between the batteries and the 4 electrical motors on
each wheel.
Not to mention the coils in the heated seat, electrical loops and paths
through the frame, and whatever other accessory that is on.


> It's more often the high frequency square waves ("pulsed signals")
> that cause the most damage, but those frequencies come from wi-fi,
> cell phones, computers, TVs, "high efficiency" electronics, etc.
> Not motors.
>  

The electrical winding in motors do create a magnetic field, that at
least for me is a definite avoid.

Just moving the fridge 6 inches from the bedroom wall may indeed make a
significant difference, but it would be better to have the bed on the
opposite wall anyway.

Stewart

So what does moving the fridge from the wall 6 inches do to reduce emf's.

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From: S Andreason <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Power lines, and car
To: [hidden email]
Date: Tuesday, April 19, 2011, 8:21 AM


 



Marc Martin wrote:
> Actually, does it really matter if there is a high EMF reading
> from the car fan being on? I don't think the EMF from motors is
> very harmful, despite the reading on the meter.
>
>

It is likely the field being measured is not from the gasoline solid
block of iron motor, but the wiring in the car, the amperage between the
generator and the battery, and if it is a new hybrid car, then the
high-high voltage between the batteries and the 4 electrical motors on
each wheel.
Not to mention the coils in the heated seat, electrical loops and paths
through the frame, and whatever other accessory that is on.

> It's more often the high frequency square waves ("pulsed signals")
> that cause the most damage, but those frequencies come from wi-fi,
> cell phones, computers, TVs, "high efficiency" electronics, etc.
> Not motors.
>

The electrical winding in motors do create a magnetic field, that at
least for me is a definite avoid.

Just moving the fridge 6 inches from the bedroom wall may indeed make a
significant difference, but it would be better to have the bed on the
opposite wall anyway.

Stewart








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Hi Eli,
 
I can be around old fridges quite happily.  It is not the motor which bothers me.  It is likely the Energy Star pulsed electricity or non-mechanical settings which they now put on all the fridges which wigs me out.  I own an old car.  It runs by motor.  It doesn't bother me, but the new cars do.
 
Diane

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Subject: [eSens] Re: Power lines, and car
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Date: Monday, April 18, 2011, 10:44 AM


 





Ever feel a refrigerator? It hurts, badly.
That's an electric motor.
Eli

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Actually Marc, 
 
Some fans do bother me.  It depends on whether you are sensitive to vibrations or not.
 
Diane

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Date: Monday, April 18, 2011, 12:23 PM


 




Good! Because the readings scared the crud out of me!
100 on the floor!
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OOOPS, should have added.....
 
But you are right, it is likely other changes in newer cars, such as digital frequencies and wireless are the cause.

Diane
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Subject: [eSens] Re: Power lines, and car
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, April 18, 2011, 12:23 PM


 




Good! Because the readings scared the crud out of me!
100 on the floor!
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Evie wrote:
> Some fans do bother me.  It depends on whether you are sensitive to vibrations or not.
>  

I have seen fans make magnetic fields across a wide range of distances,
12 feet to 1 foot radius. Electric fields too. The engineering and
quality of the windings are very likely to be the cause for differing
sensitivities to different motors.
I don't discount vibrations as a potential problem, look at the new
wind-turbine power generators as a nasty example regarding Very Low
Frequencies, but for little motors, I still lean toward blaming magnetic
and electric fields.

Stewart

 

 Car fans do create harmful frequencies.   i know that because Dave Stetzer told me so and also because when I was a human sensor for a time (terribly, immediately sensitive with spasms as soon as exposed), the moment a car fan was turned on I had syptoms.   Ditto for the tape deck.   I drove in a very cold, silent car in our Wisconsin winters!

Shivani
www.LifeEnergies.com




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