Possible recovery?

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> > Are there many of you suffering from serious severe sensitivity to PC,
> > cell phone, TV etc...able to only spend about 10 mins on the PC
> > everyday?  
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> Yes, I think many people subscribed to this group have the same
> problem.
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> > Is it possible to recover? If so, what is the best strategy?
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> Yes, there have been a few reported cases of total recovery,
> and more cases of major improvements. Mostly this seems to
> involve avoidance as much as practical, combined with a "detox",
> primarily a heavy metal detox. I've also had good results
> with certain supplements and certain EMF protection devices,
> but everyone differs in their response to these.
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> > Are there any manufactured PCs, cell phones, TVs, etc... with very low
> > EMS emission?
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> I suppose that depends on what "low" means. Even low emission by
> standard measure can have a big effect on people who are hypersensitive.
> And different people have different sensitivities, so you'll have
> to do some trial & error to find something that works well for you.
>
> Marc
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> > Thanks for the response. Hum, it seems to be down to trial and
> > error, and perseverance.
>
> Yes, pretty much, although hopefully suggestions here can prevent
> some time wasting effort.
>
> > Which are the supplements that you found helpful?
>
> For me, super-antioxidant supplements are helpful, like "H-Minus"
> from e3Live or "Amrit Ambrosia" from MAPI or "Cellfood" from
> Lumina Health. Also, essential fatty acids are good -- I use
> "Super EFF" from Standard Process and also Shikai Borage Oil
> skin lotion, but have also seen benefits from Evening Primrose
> oil. Mineral supplementation can be good too -- again, "Cellfood"
> for this, but also sometimes just magnesium ("Natural Calm" is a
> good one). Also, things which help bind onto toxins and get
> them out of the system -- again, "H-Minus" does this, so
> does "NDF", plus activated charcoal and apple pectin. Also,
> in my own specific case, adrenal ("Desicated Adrenal" and
> "Drenatrophin PMG" from Standard Process) and thyroid support
> ("Thyro-Zyme" from Apex Energetics), and I've recently been
> seeing some improvement from Liver support ("Hepatrophin
> PMG" from Standard Process).
>
> But that's just me... everyone on this group is taking
> different stuff..
>
> Marc
>

>
> > Thanks for the response. Hum, it seems to be down to trial and
> > error, and perseverance.
>
> Yes, pretty much, although hopefully suggestions here can prevent
> some time wasting effort.
>
> > Which are the supplements that you found helpful?
>
> For me, super-antioxidant supplements are helpful, like "H-Minus"
> from e3Live or "Amrit Ambrosia" from MAPI or "Cellfood" from
> Lumina Health. Also, essential fatty acids are good -- I use
> "Super EFF" from Standard Process and also Shikai Borage Oil
> skin lotion, but have also seen benefits from Evening Primrose
> oil. Mineral supplementation can be good too -- again, "Cellfood"
> for this, but also sometimes just magnesium ("Natural Calm" is a
> good one). Also, things which help bind onto toxins and get
> them out of the system -- again, "H-Minus" does this, so
> does "NDF", plus activated charcoal and apple pectin. Also,
> in my own specific case, adrenal ("Desicated Adrenal" and
> "Drenatrophin PMG" from Standard Process) and thyroid support
> ("Thyro-Zyme" from Apex Energetics), and I've recently been
> seeing some improvement from Liver support ("Hepatrophin
> PMG" from Standard Process).
>
> But that's just me... everyone on this group is taking
> different stuff..
>
> Marc
>

>
> hi Furst,
>  
> yes, i suffer from those too and have since early childhood (react to weather fronts, natural magnetc fields, barometric pressure, etc, etc.  as for being struck by lightening.... i was in a building which was struck, but seemed not to suffer any ongoing problems from that (i was already having bizarre symptoms before that incident). 
>  
> which supplements are you taking which have made you worse?  many supplements can cause alot of detoxing which will make a person worse temporarily.  many supps i have taken i originally couldn't tolerate and i had to repack them in smaller doses in empty capsules till i was able to build up tolerance for that reason.  anything which causes great detoxing can causeyou to experience more shocking and the feeling of taking on electricity (sort of feeling like you are a capacitor). 
>  
> diane
>
> --- On Sun, 6/28/09, furstc0404 <furstc@...> wrote:
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> From: furstc0404 <furstc@...>
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Possible recovery?
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Sunday, June 28, 2009, 4:28 PM
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> Thanks for your response Marc. Recently, I have been trying some new supps and found an increase in my level of ES/EMF. It fluctuates, but is definitely stronger. I seem to be getting electric shock even when washing my hands from water!! I will continue with this regimen and add a few more supps.I know someone who also reports benefits from Lumina Cell foods. I will give this a whirl.
>
> My friend also mentioned that people who have been electrocuted or suffered from being struck by lightening and survived, appear to very many similar symptoms to mine concerning electrical shocks in the body and being severely affected by weather, atmospheric pressures, rain, earth magneitic, heat, cold etc... Any of us also suffer from this?
>
> --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, "Marc Martin" <marc@> wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks for the response. Hum, it seems to be down to trial and
> > > error, and perseverance.
> >
> > Yes, pretty much, although hopefully suggestions here can prevent
> > some time wasting effort.
> >
> > > Which are the supplements that you found helpful?
> >
> > For me, super-antioxidant supplements are helpful, like "H-Minus"
> > from e3Live or "Amrit Ambrosia" from MAPI or "Cellfood" from
> > Lumina Health. Also, essential fatty acids are good -- I use
> > "Super EFF" from Standard Process and also Shikai Borage Oil
> > skin lotion, but have also seen benefits from Evening Primrose
> > oil. Mineral supplementation can be good too -- again, "Cellfood"
> > for this, but also sometimes just magnesium ("Natural Calm" is a
> > good one). Also, things which help bind onto toxins and get
> > them out of the system -- again, "H-Minus" does this, so
> > does "NDF", plus activated charcoal and apple pectin. Also,
> > in my own specific case, adrenal ("Desicated Adrenal" and
> > "Drenatrophin PMG" from Standard Process) and thyroid support
> > ("Thyro-Zyme" from Apex Energetics), and I've recently been
> > seeing some improvement from Liver support ("Hepatrophin
> > PMG" from Standard Process).
> >
> > But that's just me... everyone on this group is taking
> > different stuff..
> >
> > Marc
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> So is the gluthionine the cause of MCS and ES? What is the thing someonewas saying about people being sensitive with heavy metals. I have mercurytoxicity that we are working on getting out. I wonder if that's why I have been so sensitive. I also have had my gallbladder removed. Does that have anything to do with this or is just the liver?
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> --- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@> wrote:
> >
> > hi Furst,
> >  
> > yes, i suffer from those too and have since early childhood (react to weather fronts, natural magnetc fields, barometric pressure, etc, etc.  asfor being struck by lightening.... i was in a building which was struck,but seemed not to suffer any ongoing problems from that (i was already having bizarre symptoms before that incident). 
> >  
> > which supplements are you taking which have made you worse?  many supplements can cause alot of detoxing which will make a person worse temporarily.  many supps i have taken i originally couldn't tolerate and i had torepack them in smaller doses in empty capsules till i was able to build uptolerance for that reason.  anything which causes great detoxing can cause you to experience more shocking and the feeling of taking on electricity(sort of feeling like you are a capacitor). 
> >  
> > diane
> >
> > --- On Sun, 6/28/09, furstc0404 <furstc@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: furstc0404 <furstc@>
> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Possible recovery?
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Date: Sunday, June 28, 2009, 4:28 PM
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> > Thanks for your response Marc. Recently, I have been trying some new supps and found an increase in my level of ES/EMF. It fluctuates, but is definitely stronger. I seem to be getting electric shock even when washing my hands from water!! I will continue with this regimen and add a few more supps. I know someone who also reports benefits from Lumina Cell foods. I will give this a whirl.
> >
> > My friend also mentioned that people who have been electrocuted or suffered from being struck by lightening and survived, appear to very many similar symptoms to mine concerning electrical shocks in the body and being severely affected by weather, atmospheric pressures, rain, earth magneitic, heat, cold etc... Any of us also suffer from this?
> >
> > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, "Marc Martin" <marc@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Thanks for the response. Hum, it seems to be down to trial and
> > > > error, and perseverance.
> > >
> > > Yes, pretty much, although hopefully suggestions here can prevent
> > > some time wasting effort.
> > >
> > > > Which are the supplements that you found helpful?
> > >
> > > For me, super-antioxidant supplements are helpful, like "H-Minus"
> > > from e3Live or "Amrit Ambrosia" from MAPI or "Cellfood" from
> > > Lumina Health. Also, essential fatty acids are good -- I use
> > > "Super EFF" from Standard Process and also Shikai Borage Oil
> > > skin lotion, but have also seen benefits from Evening Primrose
> > > oil. Mineral supplementation can be good too -- again, "Cellfood"
> > > for this, but also sometimes just magnesium ("Natural Calm" is a
> > > good one). Also, things which help bind onto toxins and get
> > > them out of the system -- again, "H-Minus" does this, so
> > > does "NDF", plus activated charcoal and apple pectin. Also,
> > > in my own specific case, adrenal ("Desicated Adrenal" and
> > > "Drenatrophin PMG" from Standard Process) and thyroid support
> > > ("Thyro-Zyme" from Apex Energetics), and I've recently been
> > > seeing some improvement from Liver support ("Hepatrophin
> > > PMG" from Standard Process).
> > >
> > > But that's just me... everyone on this group is taking
> > > different stuff..
> > >
> > > Marc
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> hi Furst,
>  
> yes, i suffer from those too and have since early childhood (react to weather fronts, natural magnetc fields, barometric pressure, etc, etc.  as for being struck by lightening.. .. i was in a building which was struck, but seemed not to suffer any ongoing problems from that (i was already having bizarre symptoms before that incident). 
>  
> which supplements are you taking which have made you worse?  many supplements can cause alot of detoxing which will make a person worse temporarily.  many supps i have taken i originally couldn't tolerate and i had to repack them in smaller doses in empty capsules till i was able to build up tolerance for that reason.  anything which causes great detoxing can causeyou to experience more shocking and the feeling of taking on electricity (sort of feeling like you are a capacitor). 
>  
> diane
>
> --- On Sun, 6/28/09, furstc0404 <furstc@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: furstc0404 <furstc@...>
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Possible recovery?
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Sunday, June 28, 2009, 4:28 PM
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> Thanks for your response Marc. Recently, I have been trying some new supps and found an increase in my level of ES/EMF. It fluctuates, but is definitely stronger. I seem to be getting electric shock even when washing my hands from water!! I will continue with this regimen and add a few more supps.I know someone who also reports benefits from Lumina Cell foods. I will give this a whirl.
>
> My friend also mentioned that people who have been electrocuted or suffered from being struck by lightening and survived, appear to very many similar symptoms to mine concerning electrical shocks in the body and being severely affected by weather, atmospheric pressures, rain, earth magneitic, heat, cold etc... Any of us also suffer from this?
>
> --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, "Marc Martin" <marc@> wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks for the response. Hum, it seems to be down to trial and
> > > error, and perseverance.
> >
> > Yes, pretty much, although hopefully suggestions here can prevent
> > some time wasting effort.
> >
> > > Which are the supplements that you found helpful?
> >
> > For me, super-antioxidant supplements are helpful, like "H-Minus"
> > from e3Live or "Amrit Ambrosia" from MAPI or "Cellfood" from
> > Lumina Health. Also, essential fatty acids are good -- I use
> > "Super EFF" from Standard Process and also Shikai Borage Oil
> > skin lotion, but have also seen benefits from Evening Primrose
> > oil. Mineral supplementation can be good too -- again, "Cellfood"
> > for this, but also sometimes just magnesium ("Natural Calm" is a
> > good one). Also, things which help bind onto toxins and get
> > them out of the system -- again, "H-Minus" does this, so
> > does "NDF", plus activated charcoal and apple pectin. Also,
> > in my own specific case, adrenal ("Desicated Adrenal" and
> > "Drenatrophin PMG" from Standard Process) and thyroid support
> > ("Thyro-Zyme" from Apex Energetics), and I've recently been
> > seeing some improvement from Liver support ("Hepatrophin
> > PMG" from Standard Process).
> >
> > But that's just me... everyone on this group is taking
> > different stuff..
> >
> > Marc
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> So is the gluthionine the cause of MCS and ES? What is the thing someone was saying about people being sensitive with heavy metals. I have mercury toxicity that we are working on getting out. I wonder if that's why I have been so sensitive. I also have had my gallbladder removed. Does that have anything to do with this or is just the liver?
>
> --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Evie <evie15422@> wrote:
> >
> > hi Furst,
> >  
> > yes, i suffer from those too and have since early childhood (react to weather fronts, natural magnetc fields, barometric pressure, etc, etc.  asfor being struck by lightening.. .. i was in a building which was struck, but seemed not to suffer any ongoing problems from that (i was already having bizarre symptoms before that incident). 
> >  
> > which supplements are you taking which have made you worse?  many supplements can cause alot of detoxing which will make a person worse temporarily.  many supps i have taken i originally couldn't tolerate and i had torepack them in smaller doses in empty capsules till i was able to build uptolerance for that reason.  anything which causes great detoxing can cause you to experience more shocking and the feeling of taking on electricity(sort of feeling like you are a capacitor). 
> >  
> > diane
> >
> > --- On Sun, 6/28/09, furstc0404 <furstc@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: furstc0404 <furstc@>
> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Possible recovery?
> > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Sunday, June 28, 2009, 4:28 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks for your response Marc. Recently, I have been trying some new supps and found an increase in my level of ES/EMF. It fluctuates, but is definitely stronger. I seem to be getting electric shock even when washing my hands from water!! I will continue with this regimen and add a few more supps. I know someone who also reports benefits from Lumina Cell foods. I will give this a whirl.
> >
> > My friend also mentioned that people who have been electrocuted or suffered from being struck by lightening and survived, appear to very many similar symptoms to mine concerning electrical shocks in the body and being severely affected by weather, atmospheric pressures, rain, earth magneitic, heat, cold etc... Any of us also suffer from this?
> >
> > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, "Marc Martin" <marc@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Thanks for the response. Hum, it seems to be down to trial and
> > > > error, and perseverance.
> > >
> > > Yes, pretty much, although hopefully suggestions here can prevent
> > > some time wasting effort.
> > >
> > > > Which are the supplements that you found helpful?
> > >
> > > For me, super-antioxidant supplements are helpful, like "H-Minus"
> > > from e3Live or "Amrit Ambrosia" from MAPI or "Cellfood" from
> > > Lumina Health. Also, essential fatty acids are good -- I use
> > > "Super EFF" from Standard Process and also Shikai Borage Oil
> > > skin lotion, but have also seen benefits from Evening Primrose
> > > oil. Mineral supplementation can be good too -- again, "Cellfood"
> > > for this, but also sometimes just magnesium ("Natural Calm" is a
> > > good one). Also, things which help bind onto toxins and get
> > > them out of the system -- again, "H-Minus" does this, so
> > > does "NDF", plus activated charcoal and apple pectin. Also,
> > > in my own specific case, adrenal ("Desicated Adrenal" and
> > > "Drenatrophin PMG" from Standard Process) and thyroid support
> > > ("Thyro-Zyme" from Apex Energetics), and I've recently been
> > > seeing some improvement from Liver support ("Hepatrophin
> > > PMG" from Standard Process).
> > >
> > > But that's just me... everyone on this group is taking
> > > different stuff..
> > >
> > > Marc
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> hi, Furst,
>  
> i am not an authority on this; and i suspect nobody knows the exact answer as to why people get ES/MCS, YET; I do however have theories i like more than others.  i can see a direct correlation with metal hoarding and glutathione in one area....  one of the liver detox pathways needs glutathione in order to function.  without glutathione this phase of detox will not work.  whatever needs eliminated from the body will not get there without the correct series of detoxing events.  so it is possible that metal hoarding and lack of glutathione are connected in that way.  but understand that glutathione is only one of about 20 nutrients (at least) needed in liver detoxing.  i personally found that i was lacking in molybdenum, selenium, and various B vits, besides glutathione, which are all necessary for the liver detox phases.  i suspect curing us is an extremely complicated, but doable, situation.  which is why most of us never quite get
> there.  but i am encouraged that it is probably doable and probably comes down to body chemistry (nutrients) and how detox and energy systems within the body work, in some form or another. 
>  
> d  
>
> --- On Tue, 6/30/09, Heather Bain <hcbain2@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Heather Bain <hcbain2@...>
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Possible recovery?
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Tuesday, June 30, 2009, 11:10 PM
>
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>
>
>
>
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>
> So is the gluthionine the cause of MCS and ES? What is the thing someone was saying about people being sensitive with heavy metals. I have mercury toxicity that we are working on getting out. I wonder if that's why I have been so sensitive. I also have had my gallbladder removed. Does that have anything to do with this or is just the liver?
>
> --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Evie <evie15422@ ..> wrote:
> >
> > hi Furst,
> >  
> > yes, i suffer from those too and have since early childhood (react to weather fronts, natural magnetc fields, barometric pressure, etc, etc.  asfor being struck by lightening.. .. i was in a building which was struck, but seemed not to suffer any ongoing problems from that (i was already having bizarre symptoms before that incident). 
> >  
> > which supplements are you taking which have made you worse?  many supplements can cause alot of detoxing which will make a person worse temporarily.  many supps i have taken i originally couldn't tolerate and i had torepack them in smaller doses in empty capsules till i was able to build uptolerance for that reason.  anything which causes great detoxing can cause you to experience more shocking and the feeling of taking on electricity(sort of feeling like you are a capacitor). 
> >  
> > diane
> >
> > --- On Sun, 6/28/09, furstc0404 <furstc@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: furstc0404 <furstc@>
> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Possible recovery?
> > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Sunday, June 28, 2009, 4:28 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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> > Thanks for your response Marc. Recently, I have been trying some new supps and found an increase in my level of ES/EMF. It fluctuates, but is definitely stronger. I seem to be getting electric shock even when washing my hands from water!! I will continue with this regimen and add a few more supps. I know someone who also reports benefits from Lumina Cell foods. I will give this a whirl.
> >
> > My friend also mentioned that people who have been electrocuted or suffered from being struck by lightening and survived, appear to very many similar symptoms to mine concerning electrical shocks in the body and being severely affected by weather, atmospheric pressures, rain, earth magneitic, heat, cold etc... Any of us also suffer from this?
> >
> > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, "Marc Martin" <marc@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Thanks for the response. Hum, it seems to be down to trial and
> > > > error, and perseverance.
> > >
> > > Yes, pretty much, although hopefully suggestions here can prevent
> > > some time wasting effort.
> > >
> > > > Which are the supplements that you found helpful?
> > >
> > > For me, super-antioxidant supplements are helpful, like "H-Minus"
> > > from e3Live or "Amrit Ambrosia" from MAPI or "Cellfood" from
> > > Lumina Health. Also, essential fatty acids are good -- I use
> > > "Super EFF" from Standard Process and also Shikai Borage Oil
> > > skin lotion, but have also seen benefits from Evening Primrose
> > > oil. Mineral supplementation can be good too -- again, "Cellfood"
> > > for this, but also sometimes just magnesium ("Natural Calm" is a
> > > good one). Also, things which help bind onto toxins and get
> > > them out of the system -- again, "H-Minus" does this, so
> > > does "NDF", plus activated charcoal and apple pectin. Also,
> > > in my own specific case, adrenal ("Desicated Adrenal" and
> > > "Drenatrophin PMG" from Standard Process) and thyroid support
> > > ("Thyro-Zyme" from Apex Energetics), and I've recently been
> > > seeing some improvement from Liver support ("Hepatrophin
> > > PMG" from Standard Process).
> > >
> > > But that's just me... everyone on this group is taking
> > > different stuff..
> > >
> > > Marc
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> hi, Furst,
>  
> i am not an authority on this; and i suspect nobody knows the exact answer as to why people get ES/MCS, YET; I do however have theories i like more than others.  i can see a direct correlation with metal hoarding and glutathione in one area....  one of the liver detox pathways needs glutathione in order to function.  without glutathione this phase of detox will not work.  whatever needs eliminated from the body will not get there without the correct series of detoxing events.  so it is possible that metal hoarding and lack of glutathione are connected in that way.  but understand that glutathione is only one of about 20 nutrients (at least) needed in liver detoxing.  i personally found that i was lacking in molybdenum, selenium, and various B vits, besides glutathione, which are all necessary for the liver detox phases.  i suspect curing us is an extremely complicate d, but doable, situation.  which is why most of us never quite get
> there.  but i am encouraged that it is probably doable and probably comes down to body chemistry (nutrients) and how detox and energy systems within the body work, in some form or another. 
>  
> d  
>
> --- On Tue, 6/30/09, Heather Bain <hcbain2@... > wrote:
>
>
> From: Heather Bain <hcbain2@... >
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Possible recovery?
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Tuesday, June 30, 2009, 11:10 PM
>
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>
>
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> So is the gluthionine the cause of MCS and ES? What is the thing someone was saying about people being sensitive with heavy metals. I have mercury toxicity that we are working on getting out. I wonder if that's why I have been so sensitive. I also have had my gallbladder removed. Does that have anything to do with this or is just the liver?
>
> --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Evie <evie15422@ ..> wrote:
> >
> > hi Furst,
> >  
> > yes, i suffer from those too and have since early childhood (react to weather fronts, natural magnetc fields, barometric pressure, etc, etc.  asfor being struck by lightening.. .. i was in a building which was struck, but seemed not to suffer any ongoing problems from that (i was already having bizarre symptoms before that incident). 
> >  
> > which supplements are you taking which have made you worse?  many supplements can cause alot of detoxing which will make a person worse temporarily.  many supps i have taken i originally couldn't tolerate and i had torepack them in smaller doses in empty capsules till i was able to build uptolerance for that reason.  anything which causes great detoxing can cause you to experience more shocking and the feeling of taking on electricity(sort of feeling like you are a capacitor). 
> >  
> > diane
> >
> > --- On Sun, 6/28/09, furstc0404 <furstc@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: furstc0404 <furstc@>
> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Possible recovery?
> > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Sunday, June 28, 2009, 4:28 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks for your response Marc. Recently, I have been trying some new supps and found an increase in my level of ES/EMF. It fluctuates, but is definitely stronger. I seem to be getting electric shock even when washing my hands from water!! I will continue with this regimen and add a few more supps. I know someone who also reports benefits from Lumina Cell foods. I will give this a whirl.
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> > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, "Marc Martin" <marc@> wrote:
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> > > > Thanks for the response. Hum, it seems to be down to trial and
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> > > Yes, pretty much, although hopefully suggestions here can prevent
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> > > For me, super-antioxidant supplements are helpful, like "H-Minus"
> > > from e3Live or "Amrit Ambrosia" from MAPI or "Cellfood" from
> > > Lumina Health. Also, essential fatty acids are good -- I use
> > > "Super EFF" from Standard Process and also Shikai Borage Oil
> > > skin lotion, but have also seen benefits from Evening Primrose
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> > > ("Thyro-Zyme" from Apex Energetics), and I've recently been
> > > seeing some improvement from Liver support ("Hepatrophin
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> Heather, you MIGHT get temporarily worse from the mercury removal.  don't be overly discouraged if this should happen.  marc and i both have unresolved mercury issues which have seemed to take on lives of their own.  but we have both managed to keep our es fairly livable.  mercury removal is rarely "a walk in the park".  i just want you to be mentally prepared.  whether using chelation, or getting amalgams out, there are times the mercury withdrawal can cause problems.  but be sure you grill the snotout of your dentist who is doing the removal before time, if you are having amalgams removed.  i thought my dentist understood the entire procedure, as he acted knowledgeable on why i wanted the amalgams removed, etc, but the day of removal he was clueless.  also, do as much homework as possible on various methods of chelation before going there.  mercury removal isimportant, but even more important is that you get a method of removal which
> works the first time around.  there are dozens of us here for whom initial mercury removal didn't work and we are still stuck with recirculating mercury in our bodies (or worse yet, in organs and bone marrow).  even when we think we have the perfect solution, it sometimes backfires.  so don't rush into the mercury removal; do a good job on your homework before hand.  take into account your various nutritional needs, and if you don't know them, they now have people who can test for this (Acu-cell, is one method of doing this, so i have been told).  your liver and lymphatic systemneed to be up to speed to take care of the residual mercury before you begin.  that said, don't let this discourage you.  ;)
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> i wish you great success,
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> --- On Sat, 7/4/09, Heather Bain <hcbain2@...> wrote:
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> Subject: [eSens] Re: Possible recovery?
> To: [hidden email]
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> --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Evie <evie15422@ ..> wrote:
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> > hi, Furst,
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> > i am not an authority on this; and i suspect nobody knows the exact answer as to why people get ES/MCS, YET; I do however have theories i like more than others.  i can see a direct correlation with metal hoarding and glutathione in one area....  one of the liver detox pathways needs glutathione in order to function.  without glutathione this phase of detox will not work.  whatever needs eliminated from the body will not get there without the correct series of detoxing events.  so it is possible that metal hoarding and lack of glutathione are connected in that way.  but understand that glutathione is only one of about 20 nutrients (at least) needed in liver detoxing.  i personally found that i was lacking in molybdenum, selenium, and various B vits, besides glutathione, which are all necessary for the liver detox phases.  i suspect curing us is an extremely complicate d, but doable, situation.  which is why most of us never quite get
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> > --- On Tue, 6/30/09, Heather Bain <hcbain2@ > wrote:
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> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Possible recovery?
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> > > yes, i suffer from those too and have since early childhood (react toweather fronts, natural magnetc fields, barometric pressure, etc, etc.  as for being struck by lightening.. .. i was in a building which was struck, but seemed not to suffer any ongoing problems from that (i was already having bizarre symptoms before that incident). 
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> > > --- On Sun, 6/28/09, furstc0404 <furstc@> wrote:
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> > > From: furstc0404 <furstc@>
> > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Possible recovery?
> > > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
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> > > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, "Marc Martin" <marc@> wrote:
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> > > > > Thanks for the response. Hum, it seems to be down to trial and
> > > > > error, and perseverance.
> > > >
> > > > Yes, pretty much, although hopefully suggestions here can prevent
> > > > some time wasting effort.
> > > >
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> > > > For me, super-antioxidant supplements are helpful, like "H-Minus"
> > > > from e3Live or "Amrit Ambrosia" from MAPI or "Cellfood" from
> > > > Lumina Health. Also, essential fatty acids are good -- I use
> > > > "Super EFF" from Standard Process and also Shikai Borage Oil
> > > > skin lotion, but have also seen benefits from Evening Primrose
> > > > oil. Mineral supplementation can be good too -- again, "Cellfood"
> > > > for this, but also sometimes just magnesium ("Natural Calm" is a
> > > > good one). Also, things which help bind onto toxins and get
> > > > them out of the system -- again, "H-Minus" does this, so
> > > > does "NDF", plus activated charcoal and apple pectin. Also,
> > > > in my own specific case, adrenal ("Desicated Adrenal" and
> > > > "Drenatrophin PMG" from Standard Process) and thyroid support
> > > > ("Thyro-Zyme" from Apex Energetics), and I've recently been
> > > > seeing some improvement from Liver support ("Hepatrophin
> > > > PMG" from Standard Process).
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> > error, and perseverance.
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> some time wasting effort.
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> > Which are the supplements that you found helpful?
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> For me, super-antioxidant supplements are helpful, like "H-Minus"
> from e3Live or "Amrit Ambrosia" from MAPI or "Cellfood" from
> Lumina Health. Also, essential fatty acids are good -- I use
> "Super EFF" from Standard Process and also Shikai Borage Oil
> skin lotion, but have also seen benefits from Evening Primrose
> oil. Mineral supplementation can be good too -- again, "Cellfood"
> for this, but also sometimes just magnesium ("Natural Calm" is a
> good one). Also, things which help bind onto toxins and get
> them out of the system -- again, "H-Minus" does this, so
> does "NDF", plus activated charcoal and apple pectin. Also,
> in my own specific case, adrenal ("Desicated Adrenal" and
> "Drenatrophin PMG" from Standard Process) and thyroid support
> ("Thyro-Zyme" from Apex Energetics), and I've recently been
> seeing some improvement from Liver support ("Hepatrophin
> PMG" from Standard Process).
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