Please help, desperate situation!

Hello, I am 33 yo male and have a really bad problem with EMFs. It got
really bad after I bought a new pc last spring. At the moment I cant:

-use pc more than 5 mins
-listen to music :'(
-listen to radio
-watch tv, dvds, movies
-use cell phones

I get really bad skin symptoms from these, prickling, tingling,
stinging, burning etc + headache etc

I just got my 5 amalgam fillings out of my mouth with safe protocol
and am taking a lot of minerals and vitamins. I will try Andrew
Cutler's mercury chelation protocol with dmsa soon.

Any tips what else I might try? I would love to search for answers
here on this forum but I simply cant!

Thanks a lot for any suggestions!!

Joni

Go slow with the chelation! 25-50mg a day and 3x a week. Don't do the
50mg every 4 hours until you are way out of the woods.
I recommend healing the gut first with probiotics (Raw Organic
colostrum goat or cow is great for getting your immune/gut system back)
and gently cleansing the liver and kidneys before flooding the body
with mercury and tens of other chemicals floating around.
The body is in overwhelm. Don't send it more into overwhelm.
Get your body functioning well before doing an aggressive chelation.
1) Colon flush
2) Gut rebuild
3) Liver/Kidney nurturing foods and supplements
4) Use Colloidal Silver to kill of viral load while you chelate (you
will be pulling candida, Herpes, EBV and many other bacteria/virus out
into the open).

Get tested by a nutritionist/herbalist/ kinesiologist to get as well as
you can.

All my best to you!
Andrew



On Oct 11, 2008, at 3:43 AM, Joni wrote:

Welcome to the group, Joni.

When I was in as bad of shape as you are now, I got relief
from the following:

Quantum Power Conditioners (makes EMF more tolerable)
http://quantumproducts.com/catalog/quantum_power.html

H-Minus (reduces free radical damage from EMF):
http://www.e3live.com/all_products/h_minus.html

NDF (heavy metal removal):
http://www.bioraynaturaldetox.com/products.cfm

Cellfood (oxygenation, minerals, enzymes, energy):
http://www.luminahealth.com/

Sea Aloe (minerals, improved resistance to EMFs)
http://www.seaaloe.com/

Agrisept-L (anti-fungal, anti-parasitic)
<various websites>

Primal Defense (probiotic, helped EMF symptoms):
http://www.gardenoflife.com/ProductsforLife/SUPPLEMENTS/DigestiveHealth/PrimalDefense/tabid/638/Default.aspx

Perhaps one or more of these things would also be
helpful for you? Just be careful when starting
anything new -- you can sometimes have a strong
reaction to something that is really helpful,
and you may need to start at tiny doses and
ramp your way up to a more normal dose.

Marc

I have heard that a gentle way to detox is with clay baths. You can
adjust both the amount of clay used and the time you spend in the
bath so you don't detox to fast. You can also do a clay foot bath. I
did one with 1/2 of clay and kept my feet in for about 40 minutes.
Way to long!! I was weak and fatigued afterwards, but I am also doing
other things (to kill cancer cells) so I should have used less clay
and maybe started with 10 or 15 minutes. Fairly inexpensive compared
to some things.

I also recently found this website:

http://www.optimumorganics.us/Fulvic.htm

which has a product called Fulvic Acid and it has ionic trace
minerals and can detox heavy metals. I just ordered a bottle and will
take it real slow. Has anyone else on this forum used Fulvic Acid??

Kathy

 


--- In [hidden email], "Joni" <napanft@...> wrote:
>
> Hello, I am 33 yo male and have a really bad problem with EMFs. It
got
> really bad after I bought a new pc last spring. At the moment I
cant:

Thanks for the tips,

Could you tell a bit about this quantum thing, how does it actually work? How is it used? I checked the site but didnt quite understand it (maybe a language problem, English isnt my native tongue)

Thanks

Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote: Welcome to the group, Joni.

When I was in as bad of shape as you are now, I got relief
from the following:

Quantum Power Conditioners (makes EMF more tolerable)
http://quantumproducts.com/catalog/quantum_power.html

H-Minus (reduces free radical damage from EMF):
http://www.e3live.com/all_products/h_minus.html

NDF (heavy metal removal):
http://www.bioraynaturaldetox.com/products.cfm

Cellfood (oxygenation, minerals, enzymes, energy):
http://www.luminahealth.com/

Sea Aloe (minerals, improved resistance to EMFs)
http://www.seaaloe.com/

Agrisept-L (anti-fungal, anti-parasitic)
http://www.aragonproducts.com/theproducts.cfm?master=6521

Primal Defense (probiotic, helped EMF symptoms):
http://www.gardenoflife.com/ProductsforLife/SUPPLEMENTS/DigestiveHealth/PrimalDefense/tabid/638/Default.aspx

Perhaps one or more of these things would also be
helpful for you? Just be careful when starting
anything new -- you can sometimes have a strong
reaction to something that is really helpful,
and you may need to start at tiny doses and
ramp your way up to a more normal dose.

Marc







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> Could you tell a bit about this quantum thing, how does it actually work?
> How is it used?

The website isn't exactly clear how it works. And it might just be that it
works within a field of physics that most people are not that familiar
with (quantum physics). Basically, I think that they have found that
manmade EMF is harmful to people because it is "incoherent". So if
a way can be found to make these waves more "coherent", then they
will be less harmful. One way to make waves more coherent is to
subject them to a source of coherent waves, as one set of coherent
waves will make anything it comes into contact with more coherent.
That's what these products are -- a source of coherent waves,
which will have an effect on their surrounding environment. The
small (inexpensive products) have a limited range, perhaps just
a few feet. That larger, expensive products are stronger and
have a much larger range (50 ft, 100 ft, etc.).

This Wikipedia page talks about coherent waves -- I don't know
if it's relevant or not:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_coherence#Quantum_coherence

But again, this is just what I've concluded after reading as much
about these products that I could find and using them for the past
7 years.

I agree that their website could (and should) be more clear
about how these products work.

Marc

Don't ignore the phychology, work on stress response, phantom residual
artifacts of your former physiological trauma and so on and of course relaxation
techniques.

PUK


In a message dated 10/11/2008 9:28:30 P.M. GMT Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:

> Any tips what else I might try? I would love to search for answers
> here on this forum but I simply cant!
>
> Thanks a lot for any suggestions!
>





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has any one had any luck using eft, hypnosis etc


--- On Mon, 13/10/08, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote:
From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Please help, desperate situation!
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, 13 October, 2008, 7:49 PM










   
             

 

Don't ignore the phychology, work on stress response, phantom residual

artifacts of your former physiological trauma and so on and of course relaxation

techniques.

 

PUK



In a message dated 10/11/2008 9:28:30 P.M. GMT Daylight Time,  

aquilawolf@juno. com writes:



> Any tips what else I might try? I would love to search for answers

> here on this forum but I simply cant!

>

> Thanks a lot for any suggestions!

>



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Marc,

With all respect to you, I can believe you're much better then before, and you took or used all that stuff,
but allot of it is useless and those scams costs allot of money,
while people trying them, they're wasting also time before having a meaningful treatment.


The quantum products are a pure scam, read their Quantum byte software explanation
http://quantumproducts.com/catalog/quantum_byte.html
( if you know something of computers then you'll know they are lying and cheating )
If in doubt, ask your local PC guru or geek to read that stuff and he will be ROFLOL.
Don't waste your money on such a scumbags.

And you also need no expert professors to see that Hminus is also a big scam.
Just ask your local pharmacist to read the ingredients, he to will be ROFLOL.
http://www.e3live.com/all_products/h_minus.html?nav=ingredients&SID=daec0282d3a7a3c34567c7da54b51d2d
Main Ingredients for H-Minus™ MegaHydrate™ Microcluster™ (600 mg)
Silica Hydride Powder Proprietary Blend: Potassium Citrate, Silica,Potassium Carbonate, Oleic Acid,
Hydrogen Negative Ions .

You can not add "hydrogen negative ions" to a blend of powdered other chemicals;
there is even NO such a thing like "negative H ions"; and the other crap has no anti-oxidant properties.
[ Note, I'm a chemist ! ]


The Bioray guy's are ancient well known quacks:
http://www.quackwatch.org/04ConsumerEducation/News/rife.html
http://www.casewatch.org/fdawarning/prod/2001/bioray.shtml

And guess what : The legit looking website of Celfood distributor luminahealth
is also full off bullshit, let your pharmacist read this page,
http://www.luminahealth.com/products/cellfood.htm
and there he'll go again ROFLOL,
I to laughed my but off, so no need to waste your money there.

And I do not trust the Seafood crap also, is it really beneficial to swallow a mix of 93 ingredients?
How are they interacting? How are they one by one all beneficial to you?
Do you need all the hundreds of properties those ingredients have? On the same time?
Do you smell the ( rotten) fish?

Primal defense ... yet an other MLM scam, no science no proof,
although the ingredient list looks healthy, how much of those active ingredients are in it,
and how really active are they?

It looks like MM had a preference for useless products and scams;
mind you if those overpriced concoctions are not beneficial ( as claimed) they still hold the potency to harm you.

Please guy's don't keep fooling yourself with this crap, ( and un-intentionally fooling newbies )
or should we change the name of this group from Esens to Nonsens ?

Grts
Bruno M.
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At 00:41 12/10/2008, "Marc Martin" [hidden email] marcmartin2 wrote:
>Re: Please help, desperate situation!
>Posted by: "Marc Martin" [hidden email] marcmartin2
>
>
>Welcome to the group, Joni.
>When I was in as bad of shape as you are now, I got relief
>from the following:
>Quantum Power Conditioners (makes EMF more tolerable)
>http://quantumproducts.com/catalog/quantum_power.html

>H-Minus (reduces free radical damage from EMF):
>http://www.e3live.com/all_products/h_minus.html

>NDF (heavy metal removal):
>http://www.bioraynaturaldetox.com/products.cfm

>Cellfood (oxygenation, minerals, enzymes, energy):
>http://www.luminahealth.com/

>Sea Aloe (minerals, improved resistance to EMFs)
>http://www.seaaloe.com/

>Agrisept-L (anti-fungal, anti-parasitic)
>http://www.aragonproducts.com/theproducts.cfm?master=6521

>Primal Defense (probiotic, helped EMF symptoms):
>http://www.gardenoflife.com/ProductsforLife/SUPPLEMENTS/DigestiveHealth/PrimalDefense/tabid/638/Default.apx
>Perhaps one or more of these things would also be
>helpful for you? Just be careful when starting
>anything new -- you can sometimes have a strong
>reaction to something that is really helpful,
>and you may need to start at tiny doses and
>ramp your way up to a more normal dose.
>Marc

> With all respect to you, I can believe you're much better then before,

Uhhh, like you, I started out being able to tolerate my computer for
about 5 minutes per day. Now I use it 9+ hours a day without problems.
I think you are too ready to dismiss things as scams when you have
no actual experience with the things you are dismissing. I find
that very non-scientific, and rather amusing that you believe that
you are being more scientific than I.

Marc

> The quantum products are a pure scam, read their Quantum byte software
> explanation
> http://quantumproducts.com/catalog/quantum_byte.html
> ( if you know something of computers then you'll know they are lying and
> cheating )
> If in doubt, ask your local PC guru or geek to read that stuff and he
> will be ROFLOL.
> Don't waste your money on such a scumbags.

I should note that I know far more about computers than most people,
and am the local PC guru for a lot of folks (and am a software
developer). Like you, I foolishly believed that Quantum Products
was a scam company based on the mere existence of their software
program "Quantum Byte". However, after a doctor recommended their
products to me, I was rather amazed to find that they actually do work,
even the software program. And others on this group have found the
same thing. I have used this program for 7 years, long after any
placebo effect would have gone away. And you can see the difference
in my skin color after hours of computer use -- without the Quantum Byte,
my face turns red. With it, it does not.

And you don't need to waste your money. Download the free trial
and see if you notice anything. If not, no harm done, and no
money wasted. If so, it might make the difference between
being able to work at a computer related job or not.

Marc

> And you also need no expert professors to see that Hminus is also a big
> scam.

Well, fortunately I don't draw my conclusions from reading ingredient
lists. I actually found that on the first day of using this stuff,
I needed an hour less sleep per day. And also that my tolerance
for computer usage shot way up. How many supplements can anyone
say that sort of thing about?

Marc

> Primal defense ... yet an other MLM scam, no science no proof,
> although the ingredient list looks healthy, how much of those active
> ingredients are in it,
> and how really active are they?

Your arguments against Primal Defense are truly nonsensical.
You could make those arguments against any supplement. Also, it's
not an MLM product, and never has been. It is indeed expensive,
but I have tried many cheaper probiotic products on the market
with zero results.

And actually, the result that matters the most in this forum is
that taking Primal Defense makes me feel better when getting
fatigued by hours of computer use. I don't know why this is,
and this was not the reason I started taking it nor have I seen
it advertised to do this. It just does.

Marc

> The Bioray guy's are ancient well known quacks:
> http://www.quackwatch.org/04ConsumerEducation/News/rife.html
> http://www.casewatch.org/fdawarning/prod/2001/bioray.shtml

Okay, at this point, I'll have to assume that you've subscribed to
this group just to cause trouble. The product that I'm recommending
is called "NDF" (a heavy metal chelator), which is manufactured
by a company named "BioRay". The links you have provided above
are for a completely different company and product (a frequency
generator).

Marc

With all respect to Bruno for raising questions about this stuff,
and bringing in some science, I know, as a scientist, that scientists
are often wrong, even when ROFLOL...

QuantumByte software could be a scam and certainly doesn't work by
inducing superconductivity. But if people say it works, perhaps it does,
and maybe they don't want people to know how. I've noticed that my
symptoms get worse when the computer is doing more intensive tasks,
and obviously it would be possible to alter the OS so that the computer
just didn't do certain things, (e.g. swapping) or did things at a more
constant
pace (presumably at some hit to performance, which they man not want to
advertise).

There certainly is such thing a negative hydrogen ion:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_anion
again it may have nothing to do with how or why the product may or may
not work.

I'm sure there are plenty of scams, and when someone has only tried
one or two products, the placebo effect can dominate. Marc has tried
a lot of stuff, and some of what he reports makes a lot of sense.

I avoid products that work by some mechanism that I can't understand,
but given that the majority of the scientific establishment is convinced
(based on a dozen or so poorly designed experiments) that my illness
is BS, I'm not one to disavow the experiences of others unless there
is much stronger evidence that the effects are psychological.

But please don't try to sell me a little pendant.

Bill

On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 7:23 PM, Bruno M. <[hidden email]> wrote:


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Have you tried to see if it affects the performance of the computer,
or there's any measurable difference in video noise etc? Any idea
how it works?

On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 7:42 PM, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:


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> Have you tried to see if it affects the performance of the computer,
> or there's any measurable difference in video noise etc? Any idea
> how it works?

Heh, heh... that is the million dollar question. As a software
developer, I can agree with the original criticism that it cannot
possibly work. However, as someone with ES, I can assure you that
it does (well, in my case anyway, and I know of several other
folks who are also convinced).

I have certainly tried figuring out how it works over the years,
and to lengths that are certainly beyond the licensing agreement. :-)
It does not appear to use any CPU power. When the software development
job was hired out, the job description was to develop an "Experimental
Utility program with sequential number generator". And looking
at some semi-decompiled code, the code appears to have a Fibonacci
sequence in it.

My suspicion is that this software works outside of the realm
of mainstream/accepted science, and even a completely honest
and accurate description of how it works would be laughed at
by skeptics.

All I know is that this stuff has kept me employed for years.
And that makes them dirt cheap, no matter how many hundreds
of dollars they may cost.

Marc

> I'm sure there are plenty of scams, and when someone has only tried
> one or two products, the placebo effect can dominate. Marc has tried
> a lot of stuff, and some of what he reports makes a lot of sense.

Yes, I certainly have tried a lot of stuff. Mostly stuff that goes
unmentioned on this group, as it didn't do me any good. The stuff
I do mention is stuff that actually did something for me, although
that is certainly no guarantee that it will help anyone else.

Certainly one of my main motivations for starting this group was
that I had spent far too much time, energy, and money in recovering
from my ES, and certainly if people could get together and share
what has worked for them, that could potentially save a lot of
wasted effort.

It has been suggested that the products I recommend are too
expensive, and I certainly agree with that, and would love
to recommend things that are less expensive. But only if
they actually work... :-)

Marc

No offense Bruno. But I've had a lot of experience with chemists.
Particularly those that just do basic lab stuff. Most chemists don't
know squat about physics. Just ask a physicist. EMF is guess what...
primarily about physics, not chemistry. Nothing against you but your
expertise in this arena is extremely limited.

You definitely have to be skeptical about anything you try or
ingest. But in the end you have to see what works for you.

Effectively treating ES is about scientific field work, not
controlled lab experiments, again an area where most chemists are
extremely lacking in experience. And of course if you don't believe
that Environmental Sensitives exist well then that's just another
bias. Kind of like Global Warming didn't/doesn't exist... isn't
proven... etc.. etc. We all know where that one has been and is going.

If you were a field biologist I might think a little differently.
Unfortunately we cannot afford labs where we can rule out, quantify
and/or test every variable. We have to go by observation and
unfortunately symptoms. I would call this "emerging science". This is
where "field work" is still very critical.

Thanks, Alan

--- In [hidden email], "Bruno M." <brunom1@...> wrote:
>
> Marc,
>
> With all respect to you, I can believe you're much better then
before, and you took or used all that stuff,
> but allot of it is useless and those scams costs allot of money,
> while people trying them, they're wasting also time before having a
meaningful treatment.
>
>
> The quantum products are a pure scam, read their Quantum byte
software explanation
> http://quantumproducts.com/catalog/quantum_byte.html
> ( if you know something of computers then you'll know they are lying
and cheating )
> If in doubt, ask your local PC guru or geek to read that stuff and
he will be ROFLOL.
> Don't waste your money on such a scumbags.
>
> And you also need no expert professors to see that Hminus is also a
big scam.
> Just ask your local pharmacist to read the ingredients, he to will
be ROFLOL.
>
http://www.e3live.com/all_products/h_minus.html?nav=ingredients&SID=daec0282d3a7a3c34567c7da54b51d2d
> Main Ingredients for H-Minus™ MegaHydrate™ Microcluster™
(600 mg)
> Silica Hydride Powder Proprietary Blend: Potassium Citrate,
Silica, Potassium Carbonate, Oleic Acid,
> Hydrogen Negative Ions .
>
> You can not add "hydrogen negative ions" to a blend of powdered
other chemicals;
> there is even NO such a thing like "negative H ions"; and the other
crap has no anti-oxidant properties.
> [ Note, I'm a chemist ! ]
>
>
> The Bioray guy's are ancient well known quacks:
> http://www.quackwatch.org/04ConsumerEducation/News/rife.html
> http://www.casewatch.org/fdawarning/prod/2001/bioray.shtml
>
> And guess what : The legit looking website of Celfood distributor
luminahealth
> is also full off bullshit, let your pharmacist read this page,
> http://www.luminahealth.com/products/cellfood.htm
> and there he'll go again ROFLOL,
> I to laughed my but off, so no need to waste your money there.
>
> And I do not trust the Seafood crap also, is it really beneficial to
swallow a mix of 93 ingredients?
> How are they interacting? How are they one by one all beneficial to you?
> Do you need all the hundreds of properties those ingredients have?
On the same time?
> Do you smell the ( rotten) fish?
>
> Primal defense ... yet an other MLM scam, no science no proof,
> although the ingredient list looks healthy, how much of those active
ingredients are in it,
> and how really active are they?
>
> It looks like MM had a preference for useless products and scams;
> mind you if those overpriced concoctions are not beneficial ( as
claimed) they still hold the potency to harm you.
>
> Please guy's don't keep fooling yourself with this crap, ( and
un-intentionally fooling newbies )

Fibonacci sequences approach the golden mean, and the golden
mean is the least rational number--it's the ratio to use if
you want to avoid resonances. Just brainstorming here...

On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 8:52 PM, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:


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