Phytoplankton
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A few years ago, I was looking to ordering phyto, but changed my mind. It was such a mine field, of where it was sourced, farmed etc... I gave up. Has anyone tried it and if so, was it helpful, and where was it sourced from? Thanks Kooky |
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Kooky,
Below some info I found on phytoplankton. I'm gonna start taking a bit Iodine (Lugol's sollution) and also the MarinePhytoplankton (FrequenSea): http://www.phytoplankton4health.com/preferred_customer.htm Europeans can order Marine Phytoplankton here: http://www.naturalwayhealth.co.uk/frequensea.php Dr. Jerry Tennant, M.D.: "One of the many advantages of FrequenSea (or Marine Phytoplankton) is thatit is microscopic and don't require a large digestion process or processing by the liver to get into the system." "One of those rare products that contains almost everything you need for life (and the rebuilding of a healthy life) is marine phytoplankton. It contains the nine amino acids that the body cannot make and must be consumed inour diet (essential amino acids). The essential fatty acids are also present (Omega 3 and Omega 6). Vitamins A (betacarotine), 81 (thiamine), 82 (riboflavin), 83 (niacin), 85 (pantothenic acid), 86 (pyridoxine), 812 (cobalamin), C, and D (tocopherol) and major and trace minerals are all present inphytoplankton. In short, it contains almost everything one needs to sustain life. Therefore, it contains almost everything one needs to restore health by providing the raw materials to make new cells that function normally.This is particularly true if one stops putting toxic materials such as artificial sweeteners and trans fats (partially hydrogenated fats) into our body." http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/mercola.htm The best source of organically bound iodine that I know of is non-commercially harvested seaweeds. The dose is about 5 grams a day or about one ounce per week. So a pound would last about two months. Radioactive iodine is another factor that can damage the thyroid so one needs to flood the gland with healthy iodine from organic sources like seaweed. As you know this is particularly important for pregnant women as if they have untreated hypothyroidism their, a New England Journal of Medicine study showed that their children may have lower IQ scores. The better seaweeds are hand picked and dried and not typically available in health food stores. They are the absolute best forms of minerals that I am aware of. Unfortunately the people who produce this usually run small operations, and do not make their products widely known. Kelp from the health food store may work, but it really depends on how it was harvested and there is no way to know that reliably, so I rely on seaweed harvesters who handpick the seaweed and reliably dry them free from contaminants. http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/03/ask_treehugger_3.php several scientific studies have been performed to measure the amount of arsenic and other heavy metals present in seaweed. Results from these studies show that metal contamination of seaweed depends on three major factors, including where the seaweed was harvested, the type of seaweed, and the specific metal. For example, in a small Canadian study (Van Netten et al., Science of the Total Environment, 2000), seaweed grown in waters near British Columbia, Canada generally had lower amounts of heavy metals, especially of mercury, than seaweeds grown in Japan and Norway, possibly due to lower amounts of these metals in British Columbia waters. All seaweed samples even those grown in Japan and Norway however, had metal levels that are generally thought of as safe to eat. --- In [hidden email], "furstc0404" <furstc0404@...> wrote: > > > > > A few years ago, I was looking to > ordering phyto, but changed my mind. > > It was such a mine field, of where it was > sourced, farmed etc... I gave up. > > Has anyone tried it and if so, was it > helpful, and where was it sourced from? > > Thanks > > Kooky > |
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Hello Stephen,
I assume by reading what you are doing alltogether, that your electrosensitivity must be over and gone by now. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton ----- Original Message ----- From: stephen_vandevijvere To: [hidden email] Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 8:12 PM Subject: [eSens] Re: Phytoplankton Kooky, Below some info I found on phytoplankton. I'm gonna start taking a bit Iodine (Lugol's sollution) and also the Marine Phytoplankton (FrequenSea): http://www.phytoplankton4health.com/preferred_customer.htm Europeans can order Marine Phytoplankton here: http://www.naturalwayhealth.co.uk/frequensea.php Dr. Jerry Tennant, M.D.: "One of the many advantages of FrequenSea (or Marine Phytoplankton) is that it is microscopic and don't require a large digestion process or processing by the liver to get into the system." "One of those rare products that contains almost everything you need for life (and the rebuilding of a healthy life) is marine phytoplankton. It contains the nine amino acids that the body cannot make and must be consumed in our diet (essential amino acids). The essential fatty acids are also present (Omega 3 and Omega 6). Vitamins A (betacarotine), 81 (thiamine), 82 (riboflavin), 83 (niacin), 85 (pantothenic acid), 86 (pyridoxine), 812 (cobalamin), C, and D (tocopherol) and major and trace minerals are all present in phytoplankton. In short, it contains almost everything one needs to sustain life. Therefore, it contains almost everything one needs to restore health by providing the raw materials to make new cells that function normally. This is particularly true if one stops putting toxic materials such as artificial sweeteners and trans fats (partially hydrogenated fats) into our body." http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/mercola.htm The best source of organically bound iodine that I know of is non-commercially harvested seaweeds. The dose is about 5 grams a day or about one ounce per week. So a pound would last about two months. Radioactive iodine is another factor that can damage the thyroid so one needs to flood the gland with healthy iodine from organic sources like seaweed. As you know this is particularly important for pregnant women as if they have untreated hypothyroidism their, a New England Journal of Medicine study showed that their children may have lower IQ scores. The better seaweeds are hand picked and dried and not typically available in health food stores. They are the absolute best forms of minerals that I am aware of. Unfortunately the people who produce this usually run small operations, and do not make their products widely known. Kelp from the health food store may work, but it really depends on how it was harvested and there is no way to know that reliably, so I rely on seaweed harvesters who hand pick the seaweed and reliably dry them free from contaminants. http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/03/ask_treehugger_3.php several scientific studies have been performed to measure the amount of arsenic and other heavy metals present in seaweed. Results from these studies show that metal contamination of seaweed depends on three major factors, including where the seaweed was harvested, the type of seaweed, and the specific metal. For example, in a small Canadian study (Van Netten et al., Science of the Total Environment, 2000), seaweed grown in waters near British Columbia, Canada generally had lower amounts of heavy metals, especially of mercury, than seaweeds grown in Japan and Norway, possibly due to lower amounts of these metals in British Columbia waters. All seaweed samples - even those grown in Japan and Norway - however, had metal levels that are generally thought of as safe to eat. --- In [hidden email], "furstc0404" <furstc0404@...> wrote: > > > > > A few years ago, I was looking to > ordering phyto, but changed my mind. > > It was such a mine field, of where it was > sourced, farmed etc... I gave up. > > Has anyone tried it and if so, was it > helpful, and where was it sourced from? > > Thanks > > Kooky > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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No, not really better regards ES, or maybe a bit... Trying to implement thestuff I've read (especially regards Tennant) more and more. Ask me again in one year ;-)
By the way I'm not very ES to my 2004-laptop... Also not on most desktops (without wifi)... I'm simply very ES to other signals: cars, some 3g, some wifi,... gr, Stephen. --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote: > > Hello Stephen, > > I assume by reading what you are doing alltogether, that your electrosensitivity must be over and gone by now. > > Greetings, > Charles Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes.nl > www.milieuziektes.be > www.hetbitje.nl > checked by Norton > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: stephen_vandevijvere > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 8:12 PM > Subject: [eSens] Re: Phytoplankton > > > Kooky, > > Below some info I found on phytoplankton. > > I'm gonna start taking a bit Iodine (Lugol's sollution) and also the Marine Phytoplankton (FrequenSea): > http://www.phytoplankton4health.com/preferred_customer.htm > > Europeans can order Marine Phytoplankton here: > http://www.naturalwayhealth.co.uk/frequensea.php > > > Dr. Jerry Tennant, M.D.: > > "One of the many advantages of FrequenSea (or Marine Phytoplankton) is that it is microscopic and don't require a large digestion process or processing by the liver to get into the system." > > "One of those rare products that contains almost everything you need for life (and the rebuilding of a healthy life) is marine phytoplankton. It contains the nine amino acids that the body cannot make and must be consumed in our diet (essential amino acids). The essential fatty acids are also present (Omega 3 and Omega 6). Vitamins A (betacarotine), 81 (thiamine), 82(riboflavin), 83 (niacin), 85 (pantothenic acid), 86 (pyridoxine), 812 (cobalamin), C, and D (tocopherol) and major and trace minerals are all present in phytoplankton. In short, it contains almost everything one needs to sustain life. Therefore, it contains almost everything one needs to restore health by providing the raw materials to make new cells that function normally. This is particularly true if one stops putting toxic materials such asartificial sweeteners and trans fats (partially hydrogenated fats) into our body." > > > > http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/mercola.htm > > The best source of organically bound iodine that I know of is non-commercially harvested seaweeds. The dose is about 5 grams a day or about one ounce per week. So a pound would last about two months. Radioactive iodine isanother factor that can damage the thyroid so one needs to flood the glandwith healthy iodine from organic sources like seaweed. As you know this isparticularly important for pregnant women as if they have untreated hypothyroidism their, a New England Journal of Medicine study showed that their children may have lower IQ scores. > > The better seaweeds are hand picked and dried and not typically available in health food stores. They are the absolute best forms of minerals thatI am aware of. Unfortunately the people who produce this usually run smalloperations, and do not make their products widely known. Kelp from the health food store may work, but it really depends on how it was harvested and there is no way to know that reliably, so I rely on seaweed harvesters who hand pick the seaweed and reliably dry them free from contaminants. > > > > http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/03/ask_treehugger_3.php > > several scientific studies have been performed to measure the amount ofarsenic and other heavy metals present in seaweed. Results from these studies show that metal contamination of seaweed depends on three major factors, including where the seaweed was harvested, the type of seaweed, and the specific metal. For example, in a small Canadian study (Van Netten et al., Science of the Total Environment, 2000), seaweed grown in waters near British Columbia, Canada generally had lower amounts of heavy metals, especially of mercury, than seaweeds grown in Japan and Norway, possibly due to lower amounts of these metals in British Columbia waters. All seaweed samples - even those grown in Japan and Norway - however, had metal levels that are generally thought of as safe to eat. > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "furstc0404" <furstc0404@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > A few years ago, I was looking to > > ordering phyto, but changed my mind. > > > > It was such a mine field, of where it was > > sourced, farmed etc... I gave up. > > > > Has anyone tried it and if so, was it > > helpful, and where was it sourced from? > > > > Thanks > > > > Kooky > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |
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So, then you belong to those people who do not really want to get better.
I mean who want their electrosensitivity reduced with 90 %. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton ----- Original Message ----- From: stephen_vandevijvere To: [hidden email] Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 8:48 PM Subject: [eSens] Re: Phytoplankton No, not really better regards ES, or maybe a bit... Trying to implement the stuff I've read (especially regards Tennant) more and more. Ask me again in one year ;-) By the way I'm not very ES to my 2004-laptop... Also not on most desktops (without wifi)... I'm simply very ES to other signals: cars, some 3g, some wifi,... gr, Stephen. --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote: > > Hello Stephen, > > I assume by reading what you are doing alltogether, that your electrosensitivity must be over and gone by now. > > Greetings, > Charles Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes.nl > www.milieuziektes.be > www.hetbitje.nl > checked by Norton > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: stephen_vandevijvere > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 8:12 PM > Subject: [eSens] Re: Phytoplankton > > > Kooky, > > Below some info I found on phytoplankton. > > I'm gonna start taking a bit Iodine (Lugol's sollution) and also the Marine Phytoplankton (FrequenSea): > http://www.phytoplankton4health.com/preferred_customer.htm > > Europeans can order Marine Phytoplankton here: > http://www.naturalwayhealth.co.uk/frequensea.php > > > Dr. Jerry Tennant, M.D.: > > "One of the many advantages of FrequenSea (or Marine Phytoplankton) is that it is microscopic and don't require a large digestion process or processing by the liver to get into the system." > > "One of those rare products that contains almost everything you need for life (and the rebuilding of a healthy life) is marine phytoplankton. It contains the nine amino acids that the body cannot make and must be consumed in our diet (essential amino acids). The essential fatty acids are also present (Omega 3 and Omega 6). Vitamins A (betacarotine), 81 (thiamine), 82 (riboflavin), 83 (niacin), 85 (pantothenic acid), 86 (pyridoxine), 812 (cobalamin), C, and D (tocopherol) and major and trace minerals are all present in phytoplankton. In short, it contains almost everything one needs to sustain life. Therefore, it contains almost everything one needs to restore health by providing the raw materials to make new cells that function normally. This is particularly true if one stops putting toxic materials such as artificial sweeteners and trans fats (partially hydrogenated fats) into our body." > > > > http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/mercola.htm > > The best source of organically bound iodine that I know of is non-commercially harvested seaweeds. The dose is about 5 grams a day or about one ounce per week. So a pound would last about two months. Radioactive iodine is another factor that can damage the thyroid so one needs to flood the gland with healthy iodine from organic sources like seaweed. As you know this is particularly important for pregnant women as if they have untreated hypothyroidism their, a New England Journal of Medicine study showed that their children may have lower IQ scores. > > The better seaweeds are hand picked and dried and not typically available in health food stores. They are the absolute best forms of minerals that I am aware of. Unfortunately the people who produce this usually run small operations, and do not make their products widely known. Kelp from the health food store may work, but it really depends on how it was harvested and there is no way to know that reliably, so I rely on seaweed harvesters who hand pick the seaweed and reliably dry them free from contaminants. > > > > http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/03/ask_treehugger_3.php > > several scientific studies have been performed to measure the amount of arsenic and other heavy metals present in seaweed. Results from these studies show that metal contamination of seaweed depends on three major factors, including where the seaweed was harvested, the type of seaweed, and the specific metal. For example, in a small Canadian study (Van Netten et al., Science of the Total Environment, 2000), seaweed grown in waters near British Columbia, Canada generally had lower amounts of heavy metals, especially of mercury, than seaweeds grown in Japan and Norway, possibly due to lower amounts of these metals in British Columbia waters. All seaweed samples - even those grown in Japan and Norway - however, had metal levels that are generally thought of as safe to eat. > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "furstc0404" <furstc0404@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > A few years ago, I was looking to > > ordering phyto, but changed my mind. > > > > It was such a mine field, of where it was > > sourced, farmed etc... I gave up. > > > > Has anyone tried it and if so, was it > > helpful, and where was it sourced from? > > > > Thanks > > > > Kooky > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Charles, What an arrogant and insensitive thing to say. As far as I recall you aren't ES yourself. So you really know what you are talking about.Im speechless.Best regardsChristina
--- On Mon, 6/9/10, charles <[hidden email]> wrote: From: charles <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Phytoplankton To: [hidden email] Date: Monday, 6 September, 2010, 20:40 So, then you belong to those people who do not really want to get better. I mean who want their electrosensitivity reduced with 90 %. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton ----- Original Message ----- From: stephen_vandevijvere To: [hidden email] Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 8:48 PM Subject: [eSens] Re: Phytoplankton No, not really better regards ES, or maybe a bit... Trying to implement thestuff I've read (especially regards Tennant) more and more. Ask me again in one year ;-) By the way I'm not very ES to my 2004-laptop... Also not on most desktops (without wifi)... I'm simply very ES to other signals: cars, some 3g, some wifi,... gr, Stephen. --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote: > > Hello Stephen, > > I assume by reading what you are doing alltogether, that your electrosensitivity must be over and gone by now. > > Greetings, > Charles Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes.nl > www.milieuziektes.be > www.hetbitje.nl > checked by Norton > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: stephen_vandevijvere > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 8:12 PM > Subject: [eSens] Re: Phytoplankton > > > Kooky, > > Below some info I found on phytoplankton. > > I'm gonna start taking a bit Iodine (Lugol's sollution) and also the Marine Phytoplankton (FrequenSea): > http://www.phytoplankton4health.com/preferred_customer.htm > > Europeans can order Marine Phytoplankton here: > http://www.naturalwayhealth.co.uk/frequensea.php > > > Dr. Jerry Tennant, M.D.: > > "One of the many advantages of FrequenSea (or Marine Phytoplankton) is that it is microscopic and don't require a large digestion process or processing by the liver to get into the system." > > "One of those rare products that contains almost everything you need for life (and the rebuilding of a healthy life) is marine phytoplankton. It contains the nine amino acids that the body cannot make and must be consumed in our diet (essential amino acids). The essential fatty acids are alsopresent (Omega 3 and Omega 6). Vitamins A (betacarotine), 81 (thiamine), 82 (riboflavin), 83 (niacin), 85 (pantothenic acid), 86 (pyridoxine), 812 (cobalamin), C, and D (tocopherol) and major and trace minerals are all present in phytoplankton. In short, it contains almost everything one needs to sustain life. Therefore, it contains almost everything one needs to restore health by providing the raw materials to make new cells that function normally. This is particularly true if one stops putting toxic materials such as artificial sweeteners and trans fats (partially hydrogenated fats) into our body." > > > > http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/mercola.htm > > The best source of organically bound iodine that I know of is non-commercially harvested seaweeds. The dose is about 5 grams a day or about one ounce per week. So a pound would last about two months. Radioactive iodine is another factor that can damage the thyroid so one needs to flood the gland with healthy iodine from organic sources like seaweed. As you know this is particularly important for pregnant women as if they have untreated hypothyroidism their, a New England Journal of Medicine study showed that theirchildren may have lower IQ scores. > > The better seaweeds are hand picked and dried and not typically available in health food stores. They are the absolute best forms of minerals that I am aware of. Unfortunately the people who produce this usually run small operations, and do not make their products widely known. Kelp from the health food store may work, but it really depends on how it was harvested and there is no way to know that reliably, so I rely on seaweed harvesters who hand pick the seaweed and reliably dry them free from contaminants. > > > > http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/03/ask_treehugger_3.php > > several scientific studies have been performed to measure the amount of arsenic and other heavy metals present in seaweed. Results from these studies show that metal contamination of seaweed depends on three major factors, including where the seaweed was harvested, the type of seaweed, and thespecific metal. For example, in a small Canadian study (Van Netten et al.,Science of the Total Environment, 2000), seaweed grown in waters near British Columbia, Canada generally had lower amounts of heavy metals, especially of mercury, than seaweeds grown in Japan and Norway, possibly due to lower amounts of these metals in British Columbia waters. All seaweed samples -even those grown in Japan and Norway - however, had metal levels that are generally thought of as safe to eat. > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "furstc0404" <furstc0404@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > A few years ago, I was looking to > > ordering phyto, but changed my mind. > > > > It was such a mine field, of where it was > > sourced, farmed etc... I gave up. > > > > Has anyone tried it and if so, was it > > helpful, and where was it sourced from? > > > > Thanks > > > > Kooky > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Hello Christina,
my point is, that we had some private mails, in which he asked something, and now he does not seem to find it important anymore. He is busy with a lot of things, except the right ones. So it is my impression that he is not really interested in healing his senitivity. That is not arrogant, nor insensitive, but only sarcastic. Of course everybody may do as he/she sees fit, but reading about Phytoplankton makes me laugh. It may be interesting, but does not help in curing electrosensitivity. Mr. Tennant may be very interesting, but it is my impression, that not one electrosensitive has been healed by his methods. For that other means are necessary. And yes, I am not ES myself, nor is my wife anymore, as are a number of other persons. This morning I visited a lady who can now mover arounmd the house and even outside without any sensitivity for masts or DECT phones. She only has trouble when visiting the doctors station for her pacemaker maintenance. I told her what the reason is, and what she had to do. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton ----- Original Message ----- From: Christina Steils To: [hidden email] Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 9:58 PM Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Phytoplankton Charles, What an arrogant and insensitive thing to say. As far as I recall you aren't ES yourself. So you really know what you are talking about.Im speechless.Best regardsChristina --- On Mon, 6/9/10, charles <[hidden email]> wrote: From: charles <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Phytoplankton To: [hidden email] Date: Monday, 6 September, 2010, 20:40 So, then you belong to those people who do not really want to get better. I mean who want their electrosensitivity reduced with 90 %. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton ----- Original Message ----- From: stephen_vandevijvere To: [hidden email] Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 8:48 PM Subject: [eSens] Re: Phytoplankton No, not really better regards ES, or maybe a bit... Trying to implement the stuff I've read (especially regards Tennant) more and more. Ask me again in one year ;-) By the way I'm not very ES to my 2004-laptop... Also not on most desktops (without wifi)... I'm simply very ES to other signals: cars, some 3g, some wifi,... gr, Stephen. --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote: > > Hello Stephen, > > I assume by reading what you are doing alltogether, that your electrosensitivity must be over and gone by now. > > Greetings, > Charles Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes.nl > www.milieuziektes.be > www.hetbitje.nl > checked by Norton > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: stephen_vandevijvere > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 8:12 PM > Subject: [eSens] Re: Phytoplankton > > > Kooky, > > Below some info I found on phytoplankton. > > I'm gonna start taking a bit Iodine (Lugol's sollution) and also the Marine Phytoplankton (FrequenSea): > http://www.phytoplankton4health.com/preferred_customer.htm > > Europeans can order Marine Phytoplankton here: > http://www.naturalwayhealth.co.uk/frequensea.php > > > Dr. Jerry Tennant, M.D.: > > "One of the many advantages of FrequenSea (or Marine Phytoplankton) is that it is microscopic and don't require a large digestion process or processing by the liver to get into the system." > > "One of those rare products that contains almost everything you need for life (and the rebuilding of a healthy life) is marine phytoplankton. It contains the nine amino acids that the body cannot make and must be consumed in our diet (essential amino acids). The essential fatty acids are also present (Omega 3 and Omega 6). Vitamins A (betacarotine), 81 (thiamine), 82 (riboflavin), 83 (niacin), 85 (pantothenic acid), 86 (pyridoxine), 812 (cobalamin), C, and D (tocopherol) and major and trace minerals are all present in phytoplankton. In short, it contains almost everything one needs to sustain life. Therefore, it contains almost everything one needs to restore health by providing the raw materials to make new cells that function normally. This is particularly true if one stops putting toxic materials such as artificial sweeteners and trans fats (partially hydrogenated fats) into our body." > > > > http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/mercola.htm > > The best source of organically bound iodine that I know of is non-commercially harvested seaweeds. The dose is about 5 grams a day or about one ounce per week. So a pound would last about two months. Radioactive iodine is another factor that can damage the thyroid so one needs to flood the gland with healthy iodine from organic sources like seaweed. As you know this is particularly important for pregnant women as if they have untreated hypothyroidism their, a New England Journal of Medicine study showed that their children may have lower IQ scores. > > The better seaweeds are hand picked and dried and not typically available in health food stores. They are the absolute best forms of minerals that I am aware of. Unfortunately the people who produce this usually run small operations, and do not make their products widely known. Kelp from the health food store may work, but it really depends on how it was harvested and there is no way to know that reliably, so I rely on seaweed harvesters who hand pick the seaweed and reliably dry them free from contaminants. > > > > http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/03/ask_treehugger_3.php > > several scientific studies have been performed to measure the amount of arsenic and other heavy metals present in seaweed. Results from these studies show that metal contamination of seaweed depends on three major factors, including where the seaweed was harvested, the type of seaweed, and the specific metal. For example, in a small Canadian study (Van Netten et al., Science of the Total Environment, 2000), seaweed grown in waters near British Columbia, Canada generally had lower amounts of heavy metals, especially of mercury, than seaweeds grown in Japan and Norway, possibly due to lower amounts of these metals in British Columbia waters. All seaweed samples - even those grown in Japan and Norway - however, had metal levels that are generally thought of as safe to eat. > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "furstc0404" <furstc0404@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > A few years ago, I was looking to > > ordering phyto, but changed my mind. > > > > It was such a mine field, of where it was > > sourced, farmed etc... I gave up. > > > > Has anyone tried it and if so, was it > > helpful, and where was it sourced from? > > > > Thanks > > > > Kooky > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Stephen, Thanks for the info. As usual, I am afraid of taking it, react to sooo many things. I am looking at Ecklonia sea weed too. Kooky --- On Mon, 9/6/10, Christina Steils <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Christina Steils <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Phytoplankton To: [hidden email] Date: Monday, September 6, 2010, 3:58 PM Charles, What an arrogant and insensitive thing to say. As far as I recall you aren't ES yourself. So you really know what you are talking about.Im speechless.Best regardsChristina --- On Mon, 6/9/10, charles <[hidden email]> wrote: From: charles <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Phytoplankton To: [hidden email] Date: Monday, 6 September, 2010, 20:40 So, then you belong to those people who do not really want to get better. I mean who want their electrosensitivity reduced with 90 %. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton ----- Original Message ----- From: stephen_vandevijvere To: [hidden email] Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 8:48 PM Subject: [eSens] Re: Phytoplankton No, not really better regards ES, or maybe a bit... Trying to implement thestuff I've read (especially regards Tennant) more and more. Ask me again in one year ;-) By the way I'm not very ES to my 2004-laptop... Also not on most desktops (without wifi)... I'm simply very ES to other signals: cars, some 3g, some wifi,... gr, Stephen. --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote: > > Hello Stephen, > > I assume by reading what you are doing alltogether, that your electrosensitivity must be over and gone by now. > > Greetings, > Charles Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes.nl > www.milieuziektes.be > www.hetbitje.nl > checked by Norton > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: stephen_vandevijvere > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 8:12 PM > Subject: [eSens] Re: Phytoplankton > > > Kooky, > > Below some info I found on phytoplankton. > > I'm gonna start taking a bit Iodine (Lugol's sollution) and also the Marine Phytoplankton (FrequenSea): > http://www.phytoplankton4health.com/preferred_customer.htm > > Europeans can order Marine Phytoplankton here: > http://www.naturalwayhealth.co.uk/frequensea.php > > > Dr. Jerry Tennant, M.D.: > > "One of the many advantages of FrequenSea (or Marine Phytoplankton) is that it is microscopic and don't require a large digestion process or processing by the liver to get into the system." > > "One of those rare products that contains almost everything you need for life (and the rebuilding of a healthy life) is marine phytoplankton. It contains the nine amino acids that the body cannot make and must be consumed in our diet (essential amino acids). The essential fatty acids are also present (Omega 3 and Omega 6). Vitamins A (betacarotine), 81 (thiamine), 82(riboflavin), 83 (niacin), 85 (pantothenic acid), 86 (pyridoxine), 812 (cobalamin), C, and D (tocopherol) and major and trace minerals are all present in phytoplankton. In short, it contains almost everything one needs to sustain life. Therefore, it contains almost everything one needs to restore health by providing the raw materials to make new cells that function normally. This is particularly true if one stops putting toxic materials such asartificial sweeteners and trans fats (partially hydrogenated fats) into our body." > > > > http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/mercola.htm > > The best source of organically bound iodine that I know of is non-commercially harvested seaweeds. The dose is about 5 grams a day or about one ounce per week. So a pound would last about two months. Radioactive iodine isanother factor that can damage the thyroid so one needs to flood the glandwith healthy iodine from organic sources like seaweed. As you know this isparticularly important for pregnant women as if they have untreated hypothyroidism their, a New England Journal of Medicine study showed that their children may have lower IQ scores. > > The better seaweeds are hand picked and dried and not typically available in health food stores. They are the absolute best forms of minerals thatI am aware of. Unfortunately the people who produce this usually run smalloperations, and do not make their products widely known. Kelp from the health food store may work, but it really depends on how it was harvested and there is no way to know that reliably, so I rely on seaweed harvesters who hand pick the seaweed and reliably dry them free from contaminants. > > > > http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/03/ask_treehugger_3.php > > several scientific studies have been performed to measure the amount ofarsenic and other heavy metals present in seaweed. Results from these studies show that metal contamination of seaweed depends on three major factors, including where the seaweed was harvested, the type of seaweed, and the specific metal. For example, in a small Canadian study (Van Netten et al., Science of the Total Environment, 2000), seaweed grown in waters near British Columbia, Canada generally had lower amounts of heavy metals, especially of mercury, than seaweeds grown in Japan and Norway, possibly due to lower amounts of these metals in British Columbia waters. All seaweed samples - even those grown in Japan and Norway - however, had metal levels that are generally thought of as safe to eat. > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "furstc0404" <furstc0404@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > A few years ago, I was looking to > > ordering phyto, but changed my mind. > > > > It was such a mine field, of where it was > > sourced, farmed etc... I gave up. > > > > Has anyone tried it and if so, was it > > helpful, and where was it sourced from? > > > > Thanks > > > > Kooky > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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If this is your explanation; I have to say a forum like this is not the place for sarcasm either.This forum is supposed to help people, not to ridicule them. If you think something doesn't work, fair enough, but there is way of putting that across without being insulting.C
--- On Mon, 6/9/10, charles <[hidden email]> wrote: From: charles <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Phytoplankton To: [hidden email] Date: Monday, 6 September, 2010, 21:21 Hello Christina, my point is, that we had some private mails, in which he asked something, and now he does not seem to find it important anymore. He is busy with a lot of things, except the right ones. So it is my impression that he is not really interested in healing his senitivity. That is not arrogant, nor insensitive, but only sarcastic. Of course everybody may do as he/she sees fit, but reading about Phytoplankton makes me laugh. It may be interesting, but does not help in curing electrosensitivity. Mr. Tennant may be very interesting, but it is my impression, that not one electrosensitive has been healed by his methods. For that other means are necessary. And yes, I am not ES myself, nor is my wife anymore, as are a number of other persons. This morning I visited a lady who can now mover arounmd the house and even outside without any sensitivity for masts or DECT phones. She only has trouble when visiting the doctors station for her pacemaker maintenance. I told her what the reason is, and what she had to do. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton ----- Original Message ----- From: Christina Steils To: [hidden email] Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 9:58 PM Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Phytoplankton Charles, What an arrogant and insensitive thing to say. As far as I recall you aren't ES yourself. So you really know what you are talking about.Im speechless.Best regardsChristina --- On Mon, 6/9/10, charles <[hidden email]> wrote: From: charles <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Phytoplankton To: [hidden email] Date: Monday, 6 September, 2010, 20:40 So, then you belong to those people who do not really want to get better. I mean who want their electrosensitivity reduced with 90 %. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton ----- Original Message ----- From: stephen_vandevijvere To: [hidden email] Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 8:48 PM Subject: [eSens] Re: Phytoplankton No, not really better regards ES, or maybe a bit... Trying to implement thestuff I've read (especially regards Tennant) more and more. Ask me again in one year ;-) By the way I'm not very ES to my 2004-laptop... Also not on most desktops (without wifi)... I'm simply very ES to other signals: cars, some 3g, some wifi,... gr, Stephen. --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote: > > Hello Stephen, > > I assume by reading what you are doing alltogether, that your electrosensitivity must be over and gone by now. > > Greetings, > Charles Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes.nl > www.milieuziektes.be > www.hetbitje.nl > checked by Norton > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: stephen_vandevijvere > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 8:12 PM > Subject: [eSens] Re: Phytoplankton > > > Kooky, > > Below some info I found on phytoplankton. > > I'm gonna start taking a bit Iodine (Lugol's sollution) and also the Marine Phytoplankton (FrequenSea): > http://www.phytoplankton4health.com/preferred_customer.htm > > Europeans can order Marine Phytoplankton here: > http://www.naturalwayhealth.co.uk/frequensea.php > > > Dr. Jerry Tennant, M.D.: > > "One of the many advantages of FrequenSea (or Marine Phytoplankton) is that it is microscopic and don't require a large digestion process or processing by the liver to get into the system." > > "One of those rare products that contains almost everything you need for life (and the rebuilding of a healthy life) is marine phytoplankton. It contains the nine amino acids that the body cannot make and must be consumed in our diet (essential amino acids). The essential fatty acids are also present (Omega 3 and Omega 6). Vitamins A (betacarotine), 81 (thiamine), 82(riboflavin), 83 (niacin), 85 (pantothenic acid), 86 (pyridoxine), 812 (cobalamin), C, and D (tocopherol) and major and trace minerals are all present in phytoplankton. In short, it contains almost everything one needs to sustain life. Therefore, it contains almost everything one needs to restore health by providing the raw materials to make new cells that function normally. This is particularly true if one stops putting toxic materials such asartificial sweeteners and trans fats (partially hydrogenated fats) into our body." > > > > http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/mercola.htm > > The best source of organically bound iodine that I know of is non-commercially harvested seaweeds. The dose is about 5 grams a day or about one ounce per week. So a pound would last about two months. Radioactive iodine isanother factor that can damage the thyroid so one needs to flood the glandwith healthy iodine from organic sources like seaweed. As you know this isparticularly important for pregnant women as if they have untreated hypothyroidism their, a New England Journal of Medicine study showed that their children may have lower IQ scores. > > The better seaweeds are hand picked and dried and not typically available in health food stores. They are the absolute best forms of minerals thatI am aware of. Unfortunately the people who produce this usually run smalloperations, and do not make their products widely known. Kelp from the health food store may work, but it really depends on how it was harvested and there is no way to know that reliably, so I rely on seaweed harvesters who hand pick the seaweed and reliably dry them free from contaminants. > > > > http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/03/ask_treehugger_3.php > > several scientific studies have been performed to measure the amount ofarsenic and other heavy metals present in seaweed. Results from these studies show that metal contamination of seaweed depends on three major factors, including where the seaweed was harvested, the type of seaweed, and the specific metal. For example, in a small Canadian study (Van Netten et al., Science of the Total Environment, 2000), seaweed grown in waters near British Columbia, Canada generally had lower amounts of heavy metals, especially of mercury, than seaweeds grown in Japan and Norway, possibly due to lower amounts of these metals in British Columbia waters. All seaweed samples - even those grown in Japan and Norway - however, had metal levels that are generally thought of as safe to eat. > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "furstc0404" <furstc0404@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > A few years ago, I was looking to > > ordering phyto, but changed my mind. > > > > It was such a mine field, of where it was > > sourced, farmed etc... I gave up. > > > > Has anyone tried it and if so, was it > > helpful, and where was it sourced from? > > > > Thanks > > > > Kooky > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Btw Christina,
did you read my opinion piece about *Testing of electrocensitives* ?? I am perhaps one of the very few people in the world who do understand *what electrosensitives makes them tick*. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton ----- Original Message ----- From: Christina Steils To: [hidden email] Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 9:58 PM Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Phytoplankton Charles, What an arrogant and insensitive thing to say. As far as I recall you aren't ES yourself. So you really know what you are talking about.Im speechless.Best regardsChristina --- On Mon, 6/9/10, charles <[hidden email]> wrote: From: charles <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Phytoplankton To: [hidden email] Date: Monday, 6 September, 2010, 20:40 So, then you belong to those people who do not really want to get better. I mean who want their electrosensitivity reduced with 90 %. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton ----- Original Message ----- From: stephen_vandevijvere To: [hidden email] Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 8:48 PM Subject: [eSens] Re: Phytoplankton No, not really better regards ES, or maybe a bit... Trying to implement the stuff I've read (especially regards Tennant) more and more. Ask me again in one year ;-) By the way I'm not very ES to my 2004-laptop... Also not on most desktops (without wifi)... I'm simply very ES to other signals: cars, some 3g, some wifi,... gr, Stephen. --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote: > > Hello Stephen, > > I assume by reading what you are doing alltogether, that your electrosensitivity must be over and gone by now. > > Greetings, > Charles Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes.nl > www.milieuziektes.be > www.hetbitje.nl > checked by Norton > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: stephen_vandevijvere > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 8:12 PM > Subject: [eSens] Re: Phytoplankton > > > Kooky, > > Below some info I found on phytoplankton. > > I'm gonna start taking a bit Iodine (Lugol's sollution) and also the Marine Phytoplankton (FrequenSea): > http://www.phytoplankton4health.com/preferred_customer.htm > > Europeans can order Marine Phytoplankton here: > http://www.naturalwayhealth.co.uk/frequensea.php > > > Dr. Jerry Tennant, M.D.: > > "One of the many advantages of FrequenSea (or Marine Phytoplankton) is that it is microscopic and don't require a large digestion process or processing by the liver to get into the system." > > "One of those rare products that contains almost everything you need for life (and the rebuilding of a healthy life) is marine phytoplankton. It contains the nine amino acids that the body cannot make and must be consumed in our diet (essential amino acids). The essential fatty acids are also present (Omega 3 and Omega 6). Vitamins A (betacarotine), 81 (thiamine), 82 (riboflavin), 83 (niacin), 85 (pantothenic acid), 86 (pyridoxine), 812 (cobalamin), C, and D (tocopherol) and major and trace minerals are all present in phytoplankton. In short, it contains almost everything one needs to sustain life. Therefore, it contains almost everything one needs to restore health by providing the raw materials to make new cells that function normally. This is particularly true if one stops putting toxic materials such as artificial sweeteners and trans fats (partially hydrogenated fats) into our body." > > > > http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/mercola.htm > > The best source of organically bound iodine that I know of is non-commercially harvested seaweeds. The dose is about 5 grams a day or about one ounce per week. So a pound would last about two months. Radioactive iodine is another factor that can damage the thyroid so one needs to flood the gland with healthy iodine from organic sources like seaweed. As you know this is particularly important for pregnant women as if they have untreated hypothyroidism their, a New England Journal of Medicine study showed that their children may have lower IQ scores. > > The better seaweeds are hand picked and dried and not typically available in health food stores. They are the absolute best forms of minerals that I am aware of. Unfortunately the people who produce this usually run small operations, and do not make their products widely known. Kelp from the health food store may work, but it really depends on how it was harvested and there is no way to know that reliably, so I rely on seaweed harvesters who hand pick the seaweed and reliably dry them free from contaminants. > > > > http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/03/ask_treehugger_3.php > > several scientific studies have been performed to measure the amount of arsenic and other heavy metals present in seaweed. Results from these studies show that metal contamination of seaweed depends on three major factors, including where the seaweed was harvested, the type of seaweed, and the specific metal. For example, in a small Canadian study (Van Netten et al., Science of the Total Environment, 2000), seaweed grown in waters near British Columbia, Canada generally had lower amounts of heavy metals, especially of mercury, than seaweeds grown in Japan and Norway, possibly due to lower amounts of these metals in British Columbia waters. All seaweed samples - even those grown in Japan and Norway - however, had metal levels that are generally thought of as safe to eat. > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "furstc0404" <furstc0404@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > A few years ago, I was looking to > > ordering phyto, but changed my mind. > > > > It was such a mine field, of where it was > > sourced, farmed etc... I gave up. > > > > Has anyone tried it and if so, was it > > helpful, and where was it sourced from? > > > > Thanks > > > > Kooky > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Charles,
If you're not arrogant, I don't know what arrogant is! You think you comprehend everything and everybody. God is alive and kicking, here at eSens?! Detox is according to Tennant only a good thing if your body is up to it: -enough minerals -enough voltage = pH Me, I happen to be too low on minerals and too acid, so first I'll have to work on that. If you want to know why Iodine, highly present in phytoplankton is essential for the body, read Tennant's book. Stephen. --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote: > > Hello Christina, > > my point is, that we had some private mails, in which he asked something,and now he does not seem to find it important anymore. > > He is busy with a lot of things, except the right ones. > > So it is my impression that he is not really interested in healing his senitivity. > > That is not arrogant, nor insensitive, but only sarcastic. > Of course everybody may do as he/she sees fit, but reading about Phytoplankton makes me laugh. > It may be interesting, but does not help in curing electrosensitivity. > Mr. Tennant may be very interesting, but it is my impression, that not one electrosensitive has been healed by his methods. > For that other means are necessary. > > And yes, I am not ES myself, nor is my wife anymore, as are a number of other persons. > This morning I visited a lady who can now mover arounmd the house and even outside without any sensitivity for masts or DECT phones. > She only has trouble when visiting the doctors station for her pacemaker maintenance. > I told her what the reason is, and what she had to do. > > Greetings, > Charles Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes.nl > www.milieuziektes.be > www.hetbitje.nl > checked by Norton > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Christina Steils > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 9:58 PM > Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Phytoplankton > > > Charles, What an arrogant and insensitive thing to say. As far as I recall you aren't ES yourself. So you really know what you are talking about.Im speechless.Best regardsChristina > > --- On Mon, 6/9/10, charles <charles@...> wrote: > > From: charles <charles@...> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Phytoplankton > To: [hidden email] > Date: Monday, 6 September, 2010, 20:40 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, then you belong to those people who do not really want to getbetter. > > > > I mean who want their electrosensitivity reduced with 90 %. > > > > Greetings, > > Charles Claessens > > member Verband Baubiologie > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > www.milieuziektes.be > > www.hetbitje.nl > > checked by Norton > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: stephen_vandevijvere > > To: [hidden email] > > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 8:48 PM > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Phytoplankton > > > > No, not really better regards ES, or maybe a bit... Trying to implementthe stuff I've read (especially regards Tennant) more and more. Ask me again in one year ;-) > > > > By the way I'm not very ES to my 2004-laptop... Also not on most desktops (without wifi)... I'm simply very ES to other signals: cars, some 3g, some wifi,... > > > > gr, > > Stephen. > > > > --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote: > > > > > > Hello Stephen, > > > > > > I assume by reading what you are doing alltogether, that your electrosensitivity must be over and gone by now. > > > > > > Greetings, > > > Charles Claessens > > > member Verband Baubiologie > > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > > www.milieuziektes.be > > > www.hetbitje.nl > > > checked by Norton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: stephen_vandevijvere > > > To: [hidden email] > > > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 8:12 PM > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Phytoplankton > > > > > > > > > Kooky, > > > > > > Below some info I found on phytoplankton. > > > > > > I'm gonna start taking a bit Iodine (Lugol's sollution) and also the Marine Phytoplankton (FrequenSea): > > > http://www.phytoplankton4health.com/preferred_customer.htm > > > > > > Europeans can order Marine Phytoplankton here: > > > http://www.naturalwayhealth.co.uk/frequensea.php > > > > > > > > > Dr. Jerry Tennant, M.D.: > > > > > > "One of the many advantages of FrequenSea (or Marine Phytoplankton) is that it is microscopic and don't require a large digestion process orprocessing by the liver to get into the system." > > > > > > "One of those rare products that contains almost everything you need for life (and the rebuilding of a healthy life) is marine phytoplankton. It contains the nine amino acids that the body cannot make and must be consumed in our diet (essential amino acids). The essential fatty acids are also present (Omega 3 and Omega 6). Vitamins A (betacarotine), 81 (thiamine), 82 (riboflavin), 83 (niacin), 85 (pantothenic acid), 86 (pyridoxine), 812 (cobalamin), C, and D (tocopherol) and major and trace minerals are all present in phytoplankton. In short, it contains almost everything one needsto sustain life. Therefore, it contains almost everything one needs to restore health by providing the raw materials to make new cells that functionnormally. This is particularly true if one stops putting toxic materials such as artificial sweeteners and trans fats (partially hydrogenated fats) into our body." > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/mercola.htm > > > > > > The best source of organically bound iodine that I know of is non-commercially harvested seaweeds. The dose is about 5 grams a day or about one ounce per week. So a pound would last about two months. Radioactive iodine is another factor that can damage the thyroid so one needs to flood thegland with healthy iodine from organic sources like seaweed. As you know this is particularly important for pregnant women as if they have untreated hypothyroidism their, a New England Journal of Medicine study showed that their children may have lower IQ scores. > > > > > > The better seaweeds are hand picked and dried and not typically available in health food stores. They are the absolute best forms of minerals that I am aware of. Unfortunately the people who produce this usually runsmall operations, and do not make their products widely known. Kelp from the health food store may work, but it really depends on how it was harvested and there is no way to know that reliably, so I rely on seaweed harvesters who hand pick the seaweed and reliably dry them free from contaminants. > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/03/ask_treehugger_3.php > > > > > > several scientific studies have been performed to measure the amount of arsenic and other heavy metals present in seaweed. Results from these studies show that metal contamination of seaweed depends on three major factors, including where the seaweed was harvested, the type of seaweed, andthe specific metal. For example, in a small Canadian study (Van Netten et al., Science of the Total Environment, 2000), seaweed grown in waters near British Columbia, Canada generally had lower amounts of heavy metals, especially of mercury, than seaweeds grown in Japan and Norway, possibly due to lower amounts of these metals in British Columbia waters. All seaweed samples - even those grown in Japan and Norway - however, had metal levels that are generally thought of as safe to eat. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "furstc0404" <furstc0404@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A few years ago, I was looking to > > > > ordering phyto, but changed my mind. > > > > > > > > It was such a mine field, of where it was > > > > sourced, farmed etc... I gave up. > > > > > > > > Has anyone tried it and if so, was it > > > > helpful, and where was it sourced from? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Kooky > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |
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Yes Stephen,
that is a nice way of detox. But it takes you ten years to accomplish what with another method can be done in two weeks time. And so there are other means. It is possible to be healed in less than a year. My sarcastic point is that you obviously do not want that (the second half of July is far behind us). You want to learn the hard way. For me that is ok. *Why easy, when it can be done the hard way?* I encounter more people who do not really want to get healed. They wait till there is one simple pill on the market for that, but it does not work that way. But fact is that I have healed some very heavy electrosensitivity persons, over a short period. But I will shut up. This discussion is closed now. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton ----- Original Message ----- From: stephen_vandevijvere To: [hidden email] Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 10:48 PM Subject: [eSens] Re: Phytoplankton Charles, If you're not arrogant, I don't know what arrogant is! You think you comprehend everything and everybody. God is alive and kicking, here at eSens?! Detox is according to Tennant only a good thing if your body is up to it: -enough minerals -enough voltage = pH Me, I happen to be too low on minerals and too acid, so first I'll have to work on that. If you want to know why Iodine, highly present in phytoplankton is essential for the body, read Tennant's book. Stephen. --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote: > > Hello Christina, > > my point is, that we had some private mails, in which he asked something, and now he does not seem to find it important anymore. > > He is busy with a lot of things, except the right ones. > > So it is my impression that he is not really interested in healing his senitivity. > > That is not arrogant, nor insensitive, but only sarcastic. > Of course everybody may do as he/she sees fit, but reading about Phytoplankton makes me laugh. > It may be interesting, but does not help in curing electrosensitivity. > Mr. Tennant may be very interesting, but it is my impression, that not one electrosensitive has been healed by his methods. > For that other means are necessary. > > And yes, I am not ES myself, nor is my wife anymore, as are a number of other persons. > This morning I visited a lady who can now mover arounmd the house and even outside without any sensitivity for masts or DECT phones. > She only has trouble when visiting the doctors station for her pacemaker maintenance. > I told her what the reason is, and what she had to do. > > Greetings, > Charles Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes.nl > www.milieuziektes.be > www.hetbitje.nl > checked by Norton > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Christina Steils > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 9:58 PM > Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Phytoplankton > > > Charles, What an arrogant and insensitive thing to say. As far as I recall you aren't ES yourself. So you really know what you are talking about.Im speechless.Best regardsChristina > > --- On Mon, 6/9/10, charles <charles@...> wrote: > > From: charles <charles@...> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Phytoplankton > To: [hidden email] > Date: Monday, 6 September, 2010, 20:40 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, then you belong to those people who do not really want to get better. > > > > I mean who want their electrosensitivity reduced with 90 %. > > > > Greetings, > > Charles Claessens > > member Verband Baubiologie > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > www.milieuziektes.be > > www.hetbitje.nl > > checked by Norton > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: stephen_vandevijvere > > To: [hidden email] > > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 8:48 PM > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Phytoplankton > > > > No, not really better regards ES, or maybe a bit... Trying to implement the stuff I've read (especially regards Tennant) more and more. Ask me again in one year ;-) > > > > By the way I'm not very ES to my 2004-laptop... Also not on most desktops (without wifi)... I'm simply very ES to other signals: cars, some 3g, some wifi,... > > > > gr, > > Stephen. > > > > --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote: > > > > > > Hello Stephen, > > > > > > I assume by reading what you are doing alltogether, that your electrosensitivity must be over and gone by now. > > > > > > Greetings, > > > Charles Claessens > > > member Verband Baubiologie > > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > > www.milieuziektes.be > > > www.hetbitje.nl > > > checked by Norton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: stephen_vandevijvere > > > To: [hidden email] > > > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 8:12 PM > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Phytoplankton > > > > > > > > > Kooky, > > > > > > Below some info I found on phytoplankton. > > > > > > I'm gonna start taking a bit Iodine (Lugol's sollution) and also the Marine Phytoplankton (FrequenSea): > > > http://www.phytoplankton4health.com/preferred_customer.htm > > > > > > Europeans can order Marine Phytoplankton here: > > > http://www.naturalwayhealth.co.uk/frequensea.php > > > > > > > > > Dr. Jerry Tennant, M.D.: > > > > > > "One of the many advantages of FrequenSea (or Marine Phytoplankton) is that it is microscopic and don't require a large digestion process or processing by the liver to get into the system." > > > > > > "One of those rare products that contains almost everything you need for life (and the rebuilding of a healthy life) is marine phytoplankton. It contains the nine amino acids that the body cannot make and must be consumed in our diet (essential amino acids). The essential fatty acids are also present (Omega 3 and Omega 6). Vitamins A (betacarotine), 81 (thiamine), 82 (riboflavin), 83 (niacin), 85 (pantothenic acid), 86 (pyridoxine), 812 (cobalamin), C, and D (tocopherol) and major and trace minerals are all present in phytoplankton. In short, it contains almost everything one needs to sustain life. Therefore, it contains almost everything one needs to restore health by providing the raw materials to make new cells that function normally. This is particularly true if one stops putting toxic materials such as artificial sweeteners and trans fats (partially hydrogenated fats) into our body." > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/mercola.htm > > > > > > The best source of organically bound iodine that I know of is non-commercially harvested seaweeds. The dose is about 5 grams a day or about one ounce per week. So a pound would last about two months. Radioactive iodine is another factor that can damage the thyroid so one needs to flood the gland with healthy iodine from organic sources like seaweed. As you know this is particularly important for pregnant women as if they have untreated hypothyroidism their, a New England Journal of Medicine study showed that their children may have lower IQ scores. > > > > > > The better seaweeds are hand picked and dried and not typically available in health food stores. They are the absolute best forms of minerals that I am aware of. Unfortunately the people who produce this usually run small operations, and do not make their products widely known. Kelp from the health food store may work, but it really depends on how it was harvested and there is no way to know that reliably, so I rely on seaweed harvesters who hand pick the seaweed and reliably dry them free from contaminants. > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/03/ask_treehugger_3.php > > > > > > several scientific studies have been performed to measure the amount of arsenic and other heavy metals present in seaweed. Results from these studies show that metal contamination of seaweed depends on three major factors, including where the seaweed was harvested, the type of seaweed, and the specific metal. For example, in a small Canadian study (Van Netten et al., Science of the Total Environment, 2000), seaweed grown in waters near British Columbia, Canada generally had lower amounts of heavy metals, especially of mercury, than seaweeds grown in Japan and Norway, possibly due to lower amounts of these metals in British Columbia waters. All seaweed samples - even those grown in Japan and Norway - however, had metal levels that are generally thought of as safe to eat. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "furstc0404" <furstc0404@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A few years ago, I was looking to > > > > ordering phyto, but changed my mind. > > > > > > > > It was such a mine field, of where it was > > > > sourced, farmed etc... I gave up. > > > > > > > > Has anyone tried it and if so, was it > > > > helpful, and where was it sourced from? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Kooky > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Yahoo! 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I would like to say that detoxing for some us is dangerous, and has to be undertaken cautiously, and can take three to four years very gently. In fact, Dr Ziem and other doctors's protocols are lengthy, in particular for those who are very toxic, unable to take most vits and supps, and other therapies for detoxing. Myself and five others I know, relapsed, and got either new very disabling symptoms, or old disabling neurological symptoms. Kooky --- On Mon, 9/6/10, charles <[hidden email]> wrote: From: charles <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Phytoplankton To: [hidden email] Date: Monday, September 6, 2010, 5:11 PM Yes Stephen, that is a nice way of detox. But it takes you ten years to accomplish what with another method can be done in two weeks time. And so there are other means. It is possible to be healed in less than a year. My sarcastic point is that you obviously do not want that (the second half of July is far behind us). You want to learn the hard way. For me that is ok. *Why easy, when it can be done the hard way?* I encounter more people who do not really want to get healed. They wait till there is one simple pill on the market for that, but it doesnot work that way. But fact is that I have healed some very heavy electrosensitivity persons, over a short period. But I will shut up. This discussion is closed now. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton ----- Original Message ----- From: stephen_vandevijvere To: [hidden email] Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 10:48 PM Subject: [eSens] Re: Phytoplankton Charles, If you're not arrogant, I don't know what arrogant is! You think you comprehend everything and everybody. God is alive and kicking, here at eSens?! Detox is according to Tennant only a good thing if your body is up to it: -enough minerals -enough voltage = pH Me, I happen to be too low on minerals and too acid, so first I'll have to work on that. If you want to know why Iodine, highly present in phytoplankton is essential for the body, read Tennant's book. Stephen. --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote: > > Hello Christina, > > my point is, that we had some private mails, in which he asked something, and now he does not seem to find it important anymore. > > He is busy with a lot of things, except the right ones. > > So it is my impression that he is not really interested in healing his senitivity. > > That is not arrogant, nor insensitive, but only sarcastic. > Of course everybody may do as he/she sees fit, but reading about Phytoplankton makes me laugh. > It may be interesting, but does not help in curing electrosensitivity. > Mr. Tennant may be very interesting, but it is my impression, that not one electrosensitive has been healed by his methods. > For that other means are necessary. > > And yes, I am not ES myself, nor is my wife anymore, as are a number ofother persons. > This morning I visited a lady who can now mover arounmd the house and even outside without any sensitivity for masts or DECT phones. > She only has trouble when visiting the doctors station for her pacemaker maintenance. > I told her what the reason is, and what she had to do. > > Greetings, > Charles Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes.nl > www.milieuziektes.be > www.hetbitje.nl > checked by Norton > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Christina Steils > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 9:58 PM > Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Phytoplankton > > > Charles, What an arrogant and insensitive thing to say. As far as I recall you aren't ES yourself. So you really know what you are talking about.Im speechless.Best regardsChristina > > --- On Mon, 6/9/10, charles <charles@...> wrote: > > From: charles <charles@...> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Phytoplankton > To: [hidden email] > Date: Monday, 6 September, 2010, 20:40 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, then you belong to those people who do not really want to get better. > > > > I mean who want their electrosensitivity reduced with 90 %. > > > > Greetings, > > Charles Claessens > > member Verband Baubiologie > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > www.milieuziektes.be > > www.hetbitje.nl > > checked by Norton > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: stephen_vandevijvere > > To: [hidden email] > > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 8:48 PM > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Phytoplankton > > > > No, not really better regards ES, or maybe a bit... Trying to implement the stuff I've read (especially regards Tennant) more and more. Ask me again in one year ;-) > > > > By the way I'm not very ES to my 2004-laptop... Also not on most desktops (without wifi)... I'm simply very ES to other signals: cars, some 3g, some wifi,... > > > > gr, > > Stephen. > > > > --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote: > > > > > > Hello Stephen, > > > > > > I assume by reading what you are doing alltogether, that your electrosensitivity must be over and gone by now. > > > > > > Greetings, > > > Charles Claessens > > > member Verband Baubiologie > > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > > www.milieuziektes.be > > > www.hetbitje.nl > > > checked by Norton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: stephen_vandevijvere > > > To: [hidden email] > > > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 8:12 PM > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Phytoplankton > > > > > > > > > Kooky, > > > > > > Below some info I found on phytoplankton. > > > > > > I'm gonna start taking a bit Iodine (Lugol's sollution) and also the Marine Phytoplankton (FrequenSea): > > > http://www.phytoplankton4health.com/preferred_customer.htm > > > > > > Europeans can order Marine Phytoplankton here: > > > http://www.naturalwayhealth.co.uk/frequensea.php > > > > > > > > > Dr. Jerry Tennant, M.D.: > > > > > > "One of the many advantages of FrequenSea (or Marine Phytoplankton) is that it is microscopic and don't require a large digestion process or processing by the liver to get into the system." > > > > > > "One of those rare products that contains almost everything youneed for life (and the rebuilding of a healthy life) is marine phytoplankton. It contains the nine amino acids that the body cannot make and must beconsumed in our diet (essential amino acids). The essential fatty acids are also present (Omega 3 and Omega 6). Vitamins A (betacarotine), 81 (thiamine), 82 (riboflavin), 83 (niacin), 85 (pantothenic acid), 86 (pyridoxine),812 (cobalamin), C, and D (tocopherol) and major and trace minerals are all present in phytoplankton. In short, it contains almost everything one needs to sustain life. Therefore, it contains almost everything one needs to restore health by providing the raw materials to make new cells that function normally. This is particularly true if one stops putting toxic materialssuch as artificial sweeteners and trans fats (partially hydrogenated fats)into our body." > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/mercola.htm > > > > > > The best source of organically bound iodine that I know of is non-commercially harvested seaweeds. The dose is about 5 grams a day or about one ounce per week. So a pound would last about two months. Radioactive iodine is another factor that can damage the thyroid so one needs to flood the gland with healthy iodine from organic sources like seaweed. As you knowthis is particularly important for pregnant women as if they have untreated hypothyroidism their, a New England Journal of Medicine study showed thattheir children may have lower IQ scores. > > > > > > The better seaweeds are hand picked and dried and not typicallyavailable in health food stores. They are the absolute best forms of minerals that I am aware of. Unfortunately the people who produce this usually run small operations, and do not make their products widely known. Kelp fromthe health food store may work, but it really depends on how it was harvested and there is no way to know that reliably, so I rely on seaweed harvesters who hand pick the seaweed and reliably dry them free from contaminants. > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/03/ask_treehugger_3.php > > > > > > several scientific studies have been performed to measure the amount of arsenic and other heavy metals present in seaweed. Results from these studies show that metal contamination of seaweed depends on three majorfactors, including where the seaweed was harvested, the type of seaweed, and the specific metal. For example, in a small Canadian study (Van Netten et al., Science of the Total Environment, 2000), seaweed grown in waters near British Columbia, Canada generally had lower amounts of heavy metals, especially of mercury, than seaweeds grown in Japan and Norway, possibly due to lower amounts of these metals in British Columbia waters. All seaweed samples - even those grown in Japan and Norway - however, had metal levels that are generally thought of as safe to eat. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "furstc0404" <furstc0404@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A few years ago, I was looking to > > > > ordering phyto, but changed my mind. > > > > > > > > It was such a mine field, of where it was > > > > sourced, farmed etc... I gave up. > > > > > > > > Has anyone tried it and if so, was it > > > > helpful, and where was it sourced from? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Kooky > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Yahoo! 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> So it is my impression that he is not really interested in healing his
> sensitivity. I think most people here ARE interested in healing their sensitivity, although they may not choose to do it using the methods that Charles claims to work in only 2 weeks. As I've mentioned many times before, I have personally tried the methods that Charles recommends (ionic footbath), and it made my ES far worse, and it took me many MONTHS (and many thousands of dollars) to simply get back to the level of ES that I had before the footbaths. Charles does not seem to appreciate that one method does NOT work for all people with ES. This is a common flaw with many self-proclaimed "experts". Marc |
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> Detox is according to Tennant only a good thing if your body is up to it:
> -enough minerals > -enough voltage = pH Yes, I've been trying to detox for almost 10 years, and my body never really seems up for it. I've been trying frequent-dose ALA chelation (as suggested by Cutler) for over a year now, and have only just recently progressed to the recommended "starting dose" of 12mg of ALA taken every 3 hours! However, I take it as a positive sign that I can actually tolerate more now than I could a year ago. Marc |
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> Charles,
> If you're not arrogant, I don't know what arrogant is! You think you > comprehend everything and everybody. God is alive and kicking, here at > eSens?! Yes, on the adult-metal-chelation group, there is another person like Charles named Andy Cutler -- very certain that he knows the answers to everyone's problems. Of course, when it comes to heavy metal detox, I'm sure that Cutler would say that the methods promoted by Charles (ionic footbath) are a scam and don't work. And Charles would of course say that people who use the methods of Cutler (frequent dose chelation) don't really want to get well, because one can detox in weeks, not years. Marc |
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According to Tennant regards Voltage/pH:
-Voltage of the body cells should be around -20 to -25 mVolt = pH of 7.35-7.45. (the minus in front of the Voltage mentioned above means that's an "electron donor" instead of "electron stealer") -To check for your overall body voltage you have to measure your urine (your morning urine (not in the beginning of your pee)) + saliva. If you measure for each a pH of around 6.5 it is likely your overall body voltage is good = -20 to -25 mVolt = ph of 7.35-7.45 -Everybody who's chronically ill has got an overall body voltage that is too low (= pH too low = too acid). -If your overall body voltage is good, you have the ability/voltage/power to heal. -On specific accupuncture/meridian points you can measure the voltage for that particular meridian. It could be that your overall body voltage is perfect but that one meridian has got too little voltage, that means that you're not chronically ill, but that you've got more of a "local problem". I'm wondering if there are people here tracking their pH/voltage with urinesample and/or saliva? Stephen. --- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote: > > > Detox is according to Tennant only a good thing if your body is up to it: > > -enough minerals > > -enough voltage = pH > > Yes, I've been trying to detox for almost 10 years, and my body never > really seems up for it. > > I've been trying frequent-dose ALA chelation (as suggested by Cutler) > for over a year now, and have only just recently progressed to > the recommended "starting dose" of 12mg of ALA taken every 3 hours! > However, I take it as a positive sign that I can actually tolerate > more now than I could a year ago. > > Marc > |
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Please trim up your replies like I just did on this one ...
--- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote: > > Btw Christina, > > did you read my opinion piece about *Testing of electrocensitives* ?? > > I am perhaps one of the very few people in the world who do understand *what electrosensitives makes them tick*. > > Greetings, > Charles Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes.nl > www.milieuziektes.be > www.hetbitje.nl > checked by Norton > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Christina Steils > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 9:58 PM > Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Phytoplankton > > > Charles, What an arrogant and insensitive thing to say. As far as I recall you aren't ES yourself. So you really know what you are talking about.Im speechless.Best regardsChristina
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> I'm wondering if there are people here tracking their pH/voltage with
> urine sample and/or saliva? I've done this occasionally over the years... in recent years my pH is good, although back in the beginning (~10 years ago) it was too low -- although one problem with measuring saliva/urine pH is that the test strips seem very inaccurate. Marc |
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