Opinions on Dynamic Neural Retraining System (DNRS)?

Hi, all. Can't be on here for long, but wanted to ask if anyone who can be on the computer for longer could read the testimonials & info on the Dynamic Neural Retraining Program (sounds like it's kinda like Gupta) at http://dnrsystem.com/. A woman I know from Maine who's been severely MCS for at least 25 years, after using DNRS for the last 2 months or so, is now UNAFFECTED by scented candles, perfumes etc. Neither I nor she EVER thought she would get better at all, let alone that much better. Like so many of us, she was mold-injured. It seems like it's a bit harder to work out how much the DNRS has helped EHSers. From what I can tell (which isn't much b/c mty computer tolerance is so low) a lot of the EHSers who recovered using DNRS were only EHS for about a year or so before starting the program, whereas many of us have had EHS for years, so if anyone is capable of looking into the testimonials, info etc., could you share your opinion w/ me & the rest
 of the group? Anyway, you guys are so often in my thoughts & prayers. Hang in there!

Love & blessings,
Elysia


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Hi Elysia!
Glad to hear from you!
Okay I've looked at this information. It sounds like she is basically saying that "trauma's" can cause limbic system changes- which can cause MCS, Chronic Fatigue, ect.
This course reminds me of the Emotional Freedom Technique....I told you about. (mercola). It's clear from reading the sites, that this course does involve "the belief system;..meaning if a person believes they cannot be cured...they won't be."  And this woman, does actually say that in one of her paragraphs. There are some strong similarities between this 249.00 course, and the Emotional Freedom Technique...They are both addressing the body thru the unconscious belief system. My thinking would be to try mercola's Emotional Freedom Technique first...as it is FREE and you can download the instructions. The woman who is offering this class seems to be very cautious (closed lipped) about the actual technique she is using. I get the impression   that part of this technique teaches how to recognize the body's signs.....the limic system going out of balance, then using: I'm thinking words/command/affirmations to interrupt this inflammatory process/ brain signals and re-training the body to respond in a "symptom free" way.
Now for the devil's advocate part. No long term studies, nothing on the site that tells me they track people's symptoms using hormone level testing, cortisol testing, ect..although its fairly easy to read your own pulse, which may be part of the neural training, may not be. Can't tell from the site.  
The other part is this: if being exposed to toxins be it wireless radiation/ petro chemicals/ molds/ ect causes the body to react, by by-passing this mechanism, could actually result in more toxic insults to the body. In other words, the body reacts because its telling you something is wrong. By taking away these reactions, then possibly, we are taking away the body's defense mechanism to warn of Danger.
That's my take on this.
Having said all of that, I will say that emotional traumas can and do reak havoc with the body. This is where Holistic Medicine tends to deal with all of the picture, and where mainstream medicine tends to ignore the emotional traumas, except where they find it convenient to use psychiatric labels/ and treatments on health issues, that are actually caused by physical issues.
And this is where the Emotional Freedom Technique really shines...because using this can be very helpful for emotional issues, but can be used for just about anything. NOt to say it is a cure all....but simply put, a very useful technique that can compliment and be a part of any healing protocal. Small example: something emotional traumatic happens to someone as a child. The situation involves another person, who happens to wear a certain cologne/scent. The mind's memory of trauma is linked to the memory of the scent- so anytime the person smells that smell- it triggors the pain of the event. Something to think about. By dealing with the trauma, the scent no longer bothers the person. This is a very simplified example,
 
Blessings of many,
Lizzie

 



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Hi, all. Can't be on here for long, but wanted to ask if anyone who can be on the computer for longer could read the testimonials & info on the Dynamic Neural Retraining Program (sounds like it's kinda like Gupta) at http://dnrsystem.com/. A woman I know from Maine who's been severely MCS for at least 25 years, after using DNRS for the last 2 months or so, is now UNAFFECTED by scented candles, perfumes etc. Neither I nor she EVER thought she would get better at all, let alone that much better. Like so many of us, she was mold-injured. It seems like it's a bit harder to work out how much the DNRS has helped EHSers. From what I can tell (which isn't much b/c mty computer tolerance is so low) a lot of the EHSers who recovered using DNRS were only EHS for about a year or so before starting the program, whereas many of us have had EHS for years, so if anyone is capable of looking into the testimonials, info etc., could you share your opinion w/ me & the rest
of the group? Anyway, you guys are so often in my thoughts & prayers. Hang in there!

Love & blessings,
Elysia

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Elizabeth thode wrote thus at 06:18 09/01/2012:
>The other part is this: if being exposed to toxins be it wireless radiation/ petro chemicals/ molds/ ect causes the body to react, by by-passing this mechanism, could actually result in more toxic insults to the body. In other words, the body reacts because its telling you something is wrong. By taking away these reactions, then possibly, we are taking away the body's defense mechanism to warn of Danger.

That's my feeling about it too, when I came across it some weeks ago.

EFT didn't work for me the last time I tried. Do you know of any reason why it wouldn't work?

Anyway, I'm trying to (so to speak) "rewire my neuropath ways" too about becoming resilient to EMF by being conscious of negative perceptions surrounding the matter as they really are: perceptions. After having suffered long (since being severely damaged due to staying just a few meters away from a mobile phone network transmitter), it's easy for the mind to cope by forming and attaching to the perception that I'd never get well. I'm taking powdered spirulina now, and the body seems to be responding well. I don't expect to become immune to EMF (don't think that's possible), but neither do I want to hold on to any negative ideas surrounding this matter.

"We ought to be more concerned about removing wrong thoughts from the mind than removing tumors and abscesses from the body." ~ Epictetus


peace

Kumâra Bhikkhu (a Buddhist monk from Malaysia)  

Kumara,
Our unconscious mind is like a Doubting Thomas voice. That little voice in the back of your head that spouts negativity-
Try the Emotional freedom Technique when you are most tired- when the Doubting Thomas is too tired to argue.
And this time, try it with something a little smaller. Make sure you are tapping on the right areas...these ARE electrical pressure points/pathways in the body. (yes there are hundreds of these, but the ones in the instructions were chosen for a reason.) When you are done, doing the two rounds, put your hands together, like you are praying. You should feel a vibration. What I have noticed is, when I did it right, i felt a vibration. It will still work if you don't feel the vibration, but for me, it worked better when I did...and I found that those were the times I tapped on the right areas..the upper chest ones -those are easy to go off  mark...
When you pick a smaller issue, and you see it worked...that gives the mind power...it over rules the doubting thomas, so that the next time you do it, your BELIEF system is imboldened.. AND  this system works better when you do it repeatedly. Why? Because its like tearing down a brick wall of decades of negative beliefs.
Two thnigs to take in mind. Our whole culture has been a massive marketing spin. We are subliminally brainwashed to GIVE OUR POWER to something/someone else. Ex: We are trained "only doctors" can heal us/treat us. Only schools can teach our children. The list goes on and on. These are just a few of the bricks in the wall. And these bricks of negative thoughts/beliefs have to be torned down.
 
HOw you know the EFT worked? When you do it on an emotional issue....and you are later able to view that issue with a sense of detachment...yes, it happened, but no, it doesn't bring tears or a fresh wave of hurt anymore. This means your unconsious mind has "cleared that issue".
The second thing is this: the Thyroid has much to do with emotions, just as the adrenals do. IF the thyroid is low, it is a breeding ground for depression and negative thought patterns.

 Now, with all that said, I do believe that doing all we can, to both strengthen the immune system, avoid/ shield is still necessary. But I also believe that just as we have the POWER, the choice to make active choices in the above ( eating Spirulena, for example, is one of them, Spirulena is indeed a SUPERFOOD for the immune system), we can also choose to change our thoughts. Words have power. Much more power then we were brought up to believe.
You might envision yourself having a big white out brush, and when you catch yourself saying/thinking something negative..take that white out brush and paint over it...and say speak of "WHAT YOU WANT". I have noticed people spend alot of time/words complaining, almost like constantly re-living all the bad stuff.....and I have also noticed that when I am conscious of myself doing tihs, it attracts MORE of this negative stuff. So I decided to try an experiment. When I heard myself spouting negative stuff, I took my invisible white out pen, and voided/erased those words, and changed them to positive ones. Well looky here...it worked. The first few times, were small issues...but they stood as a LOUD example to me, that there is indeed something to this. Its like re-training our mouth/mind, to stop the negative ...and speak of what we DO want.
Even if the Emotional Freedom Tech doesn't cure of us all the ES or MCS, its value lies in changing our inner belief system- this in turn strengthens our ability to help ourselves. The more positive things that happen to us...the more we feel, mood wise, that we CAN bring about change....the more we stay in the positive mood...
Blessings of Many,
Lizzie



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Elizabeth thode wrote thus at 06:18 09/01/2012:
>The other part is this: if being exposed to toxins be it wireless radiation/ petro chemicals/ molds/ ect causes the body to react, by by-passing this mechanism, could actually result in more toxic insults to the body. In other words, the body reacts because its telling you something is wrong. By taking away these reactions, then possibly, we are taking away the body's defense mechanism to warn of Danger.

That's my feeling about it too, when I came across it some weeks ago.

EFT didn't work for me the last time I tried. Do you know of any reason why it wouldn't work?

Anyway, I'm trying to (so to speak) "rewire my neuropath ways" too about becoming resilient to EMF by being conscious of negative perceptions surrounding the matter as they really are: perceptions. After having suffered long (since being severely damaged due to staying just a few meters away from a mobile phone network transmitter), it's easy for the mind to cope by forming and attaching to the perception that I'd never get well. I'm taking powdered spirulina now, and the body seems to be responding well. I don't expect to become immune to EMF (don't think that's possible), but neither do I want to hold on to any negative ideas surrounding this matter.

"We ought to be more concerned about removing wrong thoughts from the mind than removing tumors and abscesses from the body." ~ Epictetus

peace

Kumâra Bhikkhu (a Buddhist monk from Malaysia)




     

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Sadly for me the more I talk myself into staying in high emf environments  
or staying to close to long to a computer screen the more I pay later.  I  
am very resiliant though and keep coming back for more, however evan with a  
humourous bubbly enthusiastic approach to most things I am quickly weakened
and  made ill by emf, it is dose response related,  positive talk can help
you  to endure the stuff, bit like staying an any uncomfortable situation,
hot or  cold dry or wet, smelly and so on, the trick is knowing in yourself
how much you  can take, and when you should call it a day or make an exit,
balancing up the  pros and cons of your actions not forgetting that emf can
sneak up on you later  with some hideously nauseous delayed effects.
 
The worst thing is knowing that you enter such environments with that  
feeling that you are likely to get/feel rough after a short period of time, but  
always I have a suck it and see policy cos it does not always transpire
that you  will get as bad as you may preconceive, however when you have done it
a million  times before and experienced such ill feeling in your body
totally against your  will and all the courage and resilience you can muster and
still you get weak,  forgetful, unintentionally all over body anxiety then
its a tough battle to keep  the negative spiral that will ensue at bay, there
in lies the challenge, who can  keep their hand over the flame the longest,
for me my short term memory, deep  seated fatigue, a head that feels like
its enduring a permanent hangover and  loss of self esteem when I appear
stupid of mix up my words in speech are  all such challenges now that I have
started full time office work again.   Knowing that breifly on a Monday morning
when I have had a good outdoor weekend  I could wipe the floor both
intulectuly and operationally with many of my  collegues, yet after 1 hour I am
vunerable and weak, like crptonite to superman,  and of course having to endure
the Lex luthers of this world !!
 
It is sad and frustrating to have to suffer in silence and appear somewhat  
mentally challenged at times, when you open your mouth to speak and you
sound  like you have just a mental breakdown and your body in such a state of  
hidden turmoil and weakness from the secretary that constantly texts and
uses  her iphone 4 -  2 meters from you, and the telephone antennas in the  
distance casting their rays over the office, to the point where if I sit in one
 seat in one location I have 1/2 hour from scratch until I get really ill  
feeling, to another seat elsewhere where I have just 10-15 mins, the upper
floor  is the worst and having spent 3 days in an office on that floor I
nearly quit,  consequently I check it with my esmog and low and behold it nearly
blewup with  mobile phone antenna signals - so as you might appreciate, yes
positive thinking  got me back into work, it gets me there everyday, it
helps me to endure the  turmoil of es in an environment that is totally wrong
for me, but I have to keep  the roof over my families heads and all that...
positive thinking or not I am  going to have to request a 3 day week contract
so that I can recuperate from the  damage - already my body is starting to
show an auto immune response, ie aching  muscles, infections, lesions on
temples and scalp, half my brain has gone dark -  ie scary memory problems -
bassically a increasingly toxified/overloaded  body due to EMF,  so if I stay
I feel that I will rob myself of life - what  a fu....ng nightmare !!!!!
 
 
PUK
 
 
In a message dated 09/01/2012 17:16:51 GMT Standard Time,  
[hidden email] writes:


Kumara,
Our unconscious mind is like a Doubting Thomas  voice. That little voice in
the back of your head that spouts negativity-  
Try the Emotional freedom Technique when you are most tired- when the  
Doubting Thomas is too tired to argue.
And this time, try it with  something a little smaller. Make sure you are
tapping on the right  areas...these ARE electrical pressure points/pathways
in the body. (yes there  are hundreds of these, but the ones in the
instructions were chosen for a  reason.) When you are done, doing the two rounds, put
your hands together,  like you are praying. You should feel a vibration.
What I have noticed is,  when I did it right, i felt a vibration. It will
still work if you don't feel  the vibration, but for me, it worked better when I
did...and I found that  those were the times I tapped on the right
areas..the upper chest ones -those  are easy to go off  mark...
When you pick a smaller issue, and you see  it worked...that gives the mind
power...it over rules the doubting thomas, so  that the next time you do
it, your BELIEF system is imboldened.. AND   this system works better when you
do it repeatedly. Why? Because its like  tearing down a brick wall of
decades of negative beliefs.
Two thnigs to  take in mind. Our whole culture has been a massive marketing
spin. We are  subliminally brainwashed to GIVE OUR POWER to
something/someone else. Ex: We  are trained "only doctors" can heal us/treat us. Only
schools can teach our  children. The list goes on and on. These are just a few of
the bricks in the  wall. And these bricks of negative thoughts/beliefs have
to be torned down.  

HOw you know the EFT worked? When you do it on an emotional  issue....and
you are later able to view that issue with a sense of  detachment...yes, it
happened, but no, it doesn't bring tears or a fresh wave  of hurt anymore.
This means your unconsious mind has "cleared that issue".  
The second thing is this: the Thyroid has much to do with emotions, just  
as the adrenals do. IF the thyroid is low, it is a breeding ground for  
depression and negative thought patterns.

Now, with all that said, I  do believe that doing all we can, to both
strengthen the immune system, avoid/  shield is still necessary. But I also
believe that just as we have the POWER,  the choice to make active choices in the
above ( eating Spirulena, for  example, is one of them, Spirulena is indeed
a SUPERFOOD for the immune  system), we can also choose to change our
thoughts. Words have power. Much  more power then we were brought up to believe.
You might envision yourself  having a big white out brush, and when you
catch yourself saying/thinking  something negative..take that white out brush
and paint over it...and say  speak of "WHAT YOU WANT". I have noticed people
spend alot of time/words  complaining, almost like constantly re-living all
the bad stuff.....and I have  also noticed that when I am conscious of
myself doing tihs, it attracts MORE  of this negative stuff. So I decided to try
an experiment. When I heard myself  spouting negative stuff, I took my
invisible white out pen, and voided/erased  those words, and changed them to
positive ones. Well looky here...it worked.  The first few times, were small
issues...but they stood as a LOUD example to  me, that there is indeed
something to this. Its like re-training our  mouth/mind, to stop the negative ...and
speak of what we DO want.
Even if  the Emotional Freedom Tech doesn't cure of us all the ES or MCS,
its value  lies in changing our inner belief system- this in turn strengthens
our ability  to help ourselves. The more positive things that happen to
us...the more we  feel, mood wise, that we CAN bring about change....the more
we stay in the  positive mood...
Blessings of Many,
Lizzie



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Elizabeth thode  wrote thus at 06:18 09/01/2012:
>The other part is this: if being  exposed to toxins be it wireless
radiation/ petro chemicals/ molds/ ect causes  the body to react, by by-passing
this mechanism, could actually result in more  toxic insults to the body. In
other words, the body reacts because its telling  you something is wrong. By
taking away these reactions, then possibly, we are  taking away the body's
defense mechanism to warn of Danger.

That's my  feeling about it too, when I came across it some weeks ago.

EFT didn't  work for me the last time I tried. Do you know of any reason
why it wouldn't  work?

Anyway, I'm trying to (so to speak) "rewire my neuropath ways"  too about
becoming resilient to EMF by being conscious of negative perceptions  
surrounding the matter as they really are: perceptions. After having suffered  long
(since being severely damaged due to staying just a few meters away from  a
mobile phone network transmitter), it's easy for the mind to cope by
forming  and attaching to the perception that I'd never get well. I'm taking
powdered  spirulina now, and the body seems to be responding well. I don't expect
to  become immune to EMF (don't think that's possible), but neither do I
want to  hold on to any negative ideas surrounding this matter.

"We ought to be  more concerned about removing wrong thoughts from the mind
than removing  tumors and abscesses from the body." ~ Epictetus

peace

Kumâra  Bhikkhu (a Buddhist monk from Malaysia)






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Hello Paul,

I am sorry that you feel that way.
You had a chance for improving your situation.
I wanted to send you a free sample of my ClaeSmog, which repairs the damaged immune system.
But since you refused to give me your postal address, I could of course not send you one.

Overhere I get very positive reactions, and a number of former electrosensitive persons do live a *normal* life again.
They do not *feel* the masts, DECT phones, mobiles and modems anymore.
Quite a number do function in offices again.
Only a few *feel* some types of floodlights, or spotlights in f.i. furniture shops, that is all.

If only one person is wearing it inside the house, the other person *lifts* with it.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by MSE


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  Sadly for me the more I talk myself into staying in high emf environments  
  or staying to close to long to a computer screen the more I pay later.  I  
  am very resiliant though and keep coming back for more, however evan with a  
  humourous bubbly enthusiastic approach to most things I am quickly weakened
  and  made ill by emf, it is dose response related,  positive talk can help
  you  to endure the stuff, bit like staying an any uncomfortable situation,
  hot or  cold dry or wet, smelly and so on, the trick is knowing in yourself
  how much you  can take, and when you should call it a day or make an exit,
  balancing up the  pros and cons of your actions not forgetting that emf can
  sneak up on you later  with some hideously nauseous delayed effects.
   
  The worst thing is knowing that you enter such environments with that  
  feeling that you are likely to get/feel rough after a short period of time, but  
  always I have a suck it and see policy cos it does not always transpire
  that you  will get as bad as you may preconceive, however when you have done it
  a million  times before and experienced such ill feeling in your body
  totally against your  will and all the courage and resilience you can muster and
  still you get weak,  forgetful, unintentionally all over body anxiety then
  its a tough battle to keep  the negative spiral that will ensue at bay, there
  in lies the challenge, who can  keep their hand over the flame the longest,
  for me my short term memory, deep  seated fatigue, a head that feels like
  its enduring a permanent hangover and  loss of self esteem when I appear
  stupid of mix up my words in speech are  all such challenges now that I have
  started full time office work again.   Knowing that breifly on a Monday morning
  when I have had a good outdoor weekend  I could wipe the floor both
  intulectuly and operationally with many of my  collegues, yet after 1 hour I am
  vunerable and weak, like crptonite to superman,  and of course having to endure
  the Lex luthers of this world !!
   
  It is sad and frustrating to have to suffer in silence and appear somewhat  
  mentally challenged at times, when you open your mouth to speak and you
  sound  like you have just a mental breakdown and your body in such a state of  
  hidden turmoil and weakness from the secretary that constantly texts and
  uses  her iphone 4 -  2 meters from you, and the telephone antennas in the  
  distance casting their rays over the office, to the point where if I sit in one
   seat in one location I have 1/2 hour from scratch until I get really ill  
  feeling, to another seat elsewhere where I have just 10-15 mins, the upper
  floor  is the worst and having spent 3 days in an office on that floor I
  nearly quit,  consequently I check it with my esmog and low and behold it nearly
  blewup with  mobile phone antenna signals - so as you might appreciate, yes
  positive thinking  got me back into work, it gets me there everyday, it
  helps me to endure the  turmoil of es in an environment that is totally wrong
  for me, but I have to keep  the roof over my families heads and all that...
  positive thinking or not I am  going to have to request a 3 day week contract
  so that I can recuperate from the  damage - already my body is starting to
  show an auto immune response, ie aching  muscles, infections, lesions on
  temples and scalp, half my brain has gone dark -  ie scary memory problems -
  bassically a increasingly toxified/overloaded  body due to EMF,  so if I stay
  I feel that I will rob myself of life - what  a fu....ng nightmare !!!!!
   
   
  PUK
   
   
  In a message dated 09/01/2012 17:16:51 GMT Standard Time,  
  [hidden email] writes:


  Kumara,
  Our unconscious mind is like a Doubting Thomas  voice. That little voice in
  the back of your head that spouts negativity-  
  Try the Emotional freedom Technique when you are most tired- when the  
  Doubting Thomas is too tired to argue.
  And this time, try it with  something a little smaller. Make sure you are
  tapping on the right  areas...these ARE electrical pressure points/pathways
  in the body. (yes there  are hundreds of these, but the ones in the
  instructions were chosen for a  reason.) When you are done, doing the two rounds, put
  your hands together,  like you are praying. You should feel a vibration.
  What I have noticed is,  when I did it right, i felt a vibration. It will
  still work if you don't feel  the vibration, but for me, it worked better when I
  did...and I found that  those were the times I tapped on the right
  areas..the upper chest ones -those  are easy to go off  mark...
  When you pick a smaller issue, and you see  it worked...that gives the mind
  power...it over rules the doubting thomas, so  that the next time you do
  it, your BELIEF system is imboldened.. AND   this system works better when you
  do it repeatedly. Why? Because its like  tearing down a brick wall of
  decades of negative beliefs.
  Two thnigs to  take in mind. Our whole culture has been a massive marketing
  spin. We are  subliminally brainwashed to GIVE OUR POWER to
  something/someone else. Ex: We  are trained "only doctors" can heal us/treat us. Only
  schools can teach our  children. The list goes on and on. These are just a few of
  the bricks in the  wall. And these bricks of negative thoughts/beliefs have
  to be torned down.  

  HOw you know the EFT worked? When you do it on an emotional  issue....and
  you are later able to view that issue with a sense of  detachment...yes, it
  happened, but no, it doesn't bring tears or a fresh wave  of hurt anymore.
  This means your unconsious mind has "cleared that issue".  
  The second thing is this: the Thyroid has much to do with emotions, just  
  as the adrenals do. IF the thyroid is low, it is a breeding ground for  
  depression and negative thought patterns.

  Now, with all that said, I  do believe that doing all we can, to both
  strengthen the immune system, avoid/  shield is still necessary. But I also
  believe that just as we have the POWER,  the choice to make active choices in the
  above ( eating Spirulena, for  example, is one of them, Spirulena is indeed
  a SUPERFOOD for the immune  system), we can also choose to change our
  thoughts. Words have power. Much  more power then we were brought up to believe.
  You might envision yourself  having a big white out brush, and when you
  catch yourself saying/thinking  something negative..take that white out brush
  and paint over it...and say  speak of "WHAT YOU WANT". I have noticed people
  spend alot of time/words  complaining, almost like constantly re-living all
  the bad stuff.....and I have  also noticed that when I am conscious of
  myself doing tihs, it attracts MORE  of this negative stuff. So I decided to try
  an experiment. When I heard myself  spouting negative stuff, I took my
  invisible white out pen, and voided/erased  those words, and changed them to
  positive ones. Well looky here...it worked.  The first few times, were small
  issues...but they stood as a LOUD example to  me, that there is indeed
  something to this. Its like re-training our  mouth/mind, to stop the negative ...and
  speak of what we DO want.
  Even if  the Emotional Freedom Tech doesn't cure of us all the ES or MCS,
  its value  lies in changing our inner belief system- this in turn strengthens
  our ability  to help ourselves. The more positive things that happen to
  us...the more we  feel, mood wise, that we CAN bring about change....the more
  we stay in the  positive mood...
  Blessings of Many,
  Lizzie



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  Elizabeth thode  wrote thus at 06:18 09/01/2012:
  >The other part is this: if being  exposed to toxins be it wireless
  radiation/ petro chemicals/ molds/ ect causes  the body to react, by by-passing
  this mechanism, could actually result in more  toxic insults to the body. In
  other words, the body reacts because its telling  you something is wrong. By
  taking away these reactions, then possibly, we are  taking away the body's
  defense mechanism to warn of Danger.

  That's my  feeling about it too, when I came across it some weeks ago.

  EFT didn't  work for me the last time I tried. Do you know of any reason
  why it wouldn't  work?

  Anyway, I'm trying to (so to speak) "rewire my neuropath ways"  too about
  becoming resilient to EMF by being conscious of negative perceptions  
  surrounding the matter as they really are: perceptions. After having suffered  long
  (since being severely damaged due to staying just a few meters away from  a
  mobile phone network transmitter), it's easy for the mind to cope by
  forming  and attaching to the perception that I'd never get well. I'm taking
  powdered  spirulina now, and the body seems to be responding well. I don't expect
  to  become immune to EMF (don't think that's possible), but neither do I
  want to  hold on to any negative ideas surrounding this matter.

  "We ought to be  more concerned about removing wrong thoughts from the mind
  than removing  tumors and abscesses from the body." ~ Epictetus

  peace

  Kumâra  Bhikkhu (a Buddhist monk from Malaysia)






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Thanks, Lizzie. I'm trying another way now. If it doesn't work, I might give EFT another try with the extra pointers your gave. Thanks. Now where have I put those EFT stuff? :-)

Elizabeth thode wrote thus at 00:08 10/01/2012:

Hi, Lizzie and Elysia, And All,


Sorry, I have been absent from the forum for a month or so (family illness again); I'm trying to get up to speed on what is going on here.  This is a very old post, but thought I would comment....

Lizzie writes, "This course reminds me of the Emotional Freedom Technique....I told you about. (mercola)."

I don't have any info on DNRS but I have done EFT for quite a few years.  Yes, it does work to a degree.  One must consider that there are both physical and emotional aspects to ES and MCS.  The degree to which limbic therapy works is *likely* due to the emotional memory injury which has been caused by your illness.  But that doesn't mean it will not also help somewhat with physical illness, too. 


I imagine my health issues and resolved issues as minuses and pluses.  Anything which clears up stress and takes away minuses from minus columns in my life is going to add a plus to my immune system column.  Your immune system is able to function better and better with each minus you take away and each issue you resolve.  This is exactly why cleaning up one's diet will go far in making ES better, as well.  Bad diet can affect many systems negatively at once.


Also, brain injury is part and parcel of the ES equation, so any healing which you can give a part of your brain is going to help the brain as a whole.  We have all been accused of our illness "being all in our heads" at one time or another.  Of course this is not true (well, actually, it is likely true, but not in the emotionally disabled way that accusation is meant).  But we should not be so resistant to the idea of emotional healing that we run from it.  If we embrace it as a part of healing, it will add support to the many other good changes we can make in our lives. 


Will EFT or DNRS totally heal you?  Probably not, but perhaps it will.  Whether it will likely depends on how much other healing you have been doing and what has led to your illness in the first place.  Personally, I have done extensive detoxing, I have tried to get mast cell proliferation under control (using quercetin and other supplements), I have tried to get my body as healthy as I can thru good nutrition and pH balance, and more.  So, EFT or DNRS might go further in helping me than for those who have not gotten to the point in physical healing that I have.  Elysia, the same is likely true for your friend who has been MCS for 20+ years.  She has been working on healing for a long time.  She obviously still believes in healing too, since she is willing to try this.  (I believe very strongly that one cannot heal unless one believes he/she can heal.)

I am not trying to deter you from this therapy, just know that you will likely be helped but not cured.  You likely have other healing which needs to take place (lyme disease, etc) before you can see total healing.  There are no easy roads to health, unfortunately.  All therapies take a good bit of time, money, perseverance, and patience.  I wish this were not the case, but it appears it is.  Find as many free or nearly free therapies as you can and do them, adding new ones on top of the ones you are already doing, as you are able.  Make a list of your personal needs and the therapies that might most help them; rate the therapies on ease and price and what you think they can accomplish, then add them to what you are doing as you are able.  Work on healing as many injured areas as you can at once, choosing the easiest to accomplish first.  Optimizing nutrition should be near the top of therapies you do, since it is an expense whether you eat
 healthily or not and it affects many systems at once. 

Remember I was once nearly totally bed-bound for 13 years (and ill from childhood).  I did not rise from my bed miraculously, it took a lot of work.  You can do it, Elysia.  It isn't easy; I was no spring chicken and had no help, either.  Nor should one ever use the excuse of their age to give up and give in.  Recently I have seen my father of 86 improve.  He could die at any time, but he is better mentally than he has been in years (he has alzheimers).  I know what it is like to want to give up and give in.  We can't do that.  It is work to live or have no life.  I am not picking on you, Elysia, btw.  There is another person here who I have in mind.  ;)  Some of us need a good butt kick every now and again.  (Hey, I have been there; I've needed that!  Still do once in awhile.)

Good luck,
Diane



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Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2012 5:18 PM
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Hi Elysia!
Glad to hear from you!
Okay I've looked at this information. It sounds like she is basically saying that "trauma's" can cause limbic system changes- which can cause MCS, Chronic Fatigue, ect.
This course reminds me of the Emotional Freedom Technique....I told you about. (mercola). It's clear from reading the sites, that this course does involve "the belief system;..meaning if a person believes they cannot be cured...they won't be."  And this woman, does actually say that in one of her paragraphs. There are some strong similarities between this 249.00 course, and the Emotional Freedom Technique...They are both addressing the body thru the unconscious belief system. My thinking would be to try mercola's Emotional Freedom Technique first...as it is FREE and you can download the instructions. The woman who is offering this class seems to be very cautious (closed lipped) about the actual technique she is using. I get the
 impression   that part of this technique teaches how to recognize the body's signs.....the limic system going out of balance, then using: I'm thinking words/command/affirmations to interrupt this inflammatory process/ brain signals and re-training the body to respond in a "symptom free" way.
Now for the devil's advocate part. No long term studies, nothing on the site that tells me they track people's symptoms using hormone level testing, cortisol testing, ect..although its fairly easy to read your own pulse, which may be part of the neural training, may not be. Can't tell from the site. 
The other part is this: if being exposed to toxins be it wireless radiation/ petro chemicals/ molds/ ect causes the body to react, by by-passing this mechanism, could actually result in more toxic insults to the body. In other words, the body reacts because its telling you something is wrong. By taking away these reactions, then possibly, we are taking
 away the body's defense mechanism to warn of Danger.
That's my take on this.
Having said all of that, I will say that emotional traumas can and do reak havoc with the body. This is where Holistic Medicine tends to deal with all of the picture, and where mainstream medicine tends to ignore the emotional traumas, except where they find it convenient to use psychiatric labels/ and treatments on health issues, that are actually caused by physical issues.
And this is where the Emotional Freedom Technique really shines...because using this can be very helpful for emotional issues, but can be used for just about anything. NOt to say it is a cure all....but simply put, a very useful technique that can compliment and be a part of any healing protocal. Small example: something emotional traumatic happens to someone as a child. The situation involves another person, who happens to wear a certain cologne/scent. The mind's memory of trauma is linked to
 the memory of the scent- so anytime the person smells that smell- it triggors the pain of the event. Something to think about. By dealing with the trauma, the scent no longer bothers the person. This is a very simplified example,

Blessings of many,
Lizzie

 



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Hi, all. Can't be on here for long, but wanted to ask if anyone who can be on the computer for longer could read the testimonials & info on the Dynamic Neural Retraining Program (sounds like it's kinda like Gupta) at http://dnrsystem.com/. A woman I know from Maine who's been severely MCS
 for at least 25 years, after using DNRS for the last 2 months or so, is now UNAFFECTED by scented candles, perfumes etc. Neither I nor she EVER thought she would get better at all, let alone that much better. Like so many of us, she was mold-injured. It seems like it's a bit harder to work out how much the DNRS has helped EHSers. From what I can tell (which isn't much b/c mty computer tolerance is so low) a lot of the EHSers who recovered using DNRS were only EHS for about a year or so before starting the program, whereas many of us have had EHS for years, so if anyone is capable of looking into the testimonials, info etc., could you share your opinion w/ me & the rest
of the group? Anyway, you guys are so often in my thoughts & prayers. Hang in there!

Love & blessings,
Elysia

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Diane,
Clap clap clap....applause!
Very well done!
You Go Girl!
Lizzie
 



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Hi, Lizzie and Elysia, And All,

Sorry, I have been absent from the forum for a month or so (family illness again); I'm trying to get up to speed on what is going on here.  This is a very old post, but thought I would comment....

Lizzie writes, "This course reminds me of the Emotional Freedom Technique....I told you about. (mercola)."

I don't have any info on DNRS but I have done EFT for quite a few years.  Yes, it does work to a degree.  One must consider that there are both physical and emotional aspects to ES and MCS.  The degree to which limbic therapy works is *likely* due to the emotional memory injury which has been caused by your illness.  But that doesn't mean it will not also help somewhat with physical illness, too.  

I imagine my health issues and resolved issues as minuses and pluses.  Anything which clears up stress and takes away minuses from minus columns in my life is going to add a plus to my immune system column.  Your immune system is able to function better and better with each minus you take away and each issue you resolve.  This is exactly why cleaning up one's diet will go far in making ES better, as well.  Bad diet can affect many systems negatively at once.

Also, brain injury is part and parcel of the ES equation, so any healing which you can give a part of your brain is going to help the brain as a whole.  We have all been accused of our illness "being all in our heads" at one time or another.  Of course this is not true (well, actually, it is likely true, but not in the emotionally disabled way that accusation is meant).  But we should not be so resistant to the idea of emotional healing that we run from it.  If we embrace it as a part of healing, it will add support to the many other good changes we can make in our lives.  

Will EFT or DNRS totally heal you?  Probably not, but perhaps it will.  Whether it will likely depends on how much other healing you have been doing and what has led to your illness in the first place.  Personally, I have done extensive detoxing, I have tried to get mast cell proliferation under control (using quercetin and other supplements), I have tried to get my body as healthy as I can thru good nutrition and pH balance, and more.  So, EFT or DNRS might go further in helping me than for those who have not gotten to the point in physical healing that I have.  Elysia, the same is likely true for your friend who has been MCS for 20+ years.  She has been working on healing for a long time.  She obviously still believes in healing too, since she is willing to try this.  (I believe very strongly that one cannot heal unless one believes he/she can heal.)

I am not trying to deter you from this therapy, just know that you will likely be helped but not cured.  You likely have other healing which needs to take place (lyme disease, etc) before you can see total healing.  There are no easy roads to health, unfortunately.  All therapies take a good bit of time, money, perseverance, and patience.  I wish this were not the case, but it appears it is.  Find as many free or nearly free therapies as you can and do them, adding new ones on top of the ones you are already doing, as you are able.  Make a list of your personal needs and the therapies that might most help them; rate the therapies on ease and price and what you think they can accomplish, then add them to what you are doing as you are able.  Work on healing as many injured areas as you can at once, choosing the easiest to accomplish first.  Optimizing nutrition should be near the top of therapies you do, since it is an expense whether you eat
healthily or not and it affects many systems at once.  

Remember I was once nearly totally bed-bound for 13 years (and ill from childhood).  I did not rise from my bed miraculously, it took a lot of work.  You can do it, Elysia.  It isn't easy; I was no spring chicken and had no help, either.  Nor should one ever use the excuse of their age to give up and give in.  Recently I have seen my father of 86 improve.  He could die at any time, but he is better mentally than he has been in years (he has alzheimers).  I know what it is like to want to give up and give in.  We can't do that.  It is work to live or have no life.  I am not picking on you, Elysia, btw.  There is another person here who I have in mind.  ;)  Some of us need a good butt kick every now and again.  (Hey, I have been there; I've needed that!  Still do once in awhile.)

Good luck,
Diane

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From: Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2012 5:18 PM
Subject: RE: [eSens] Opinions on Dynamic Neural Retraining System (DNRS)?


Hi Elysia!
Glad to hear from you!
Okay I've looked at this information. It sounds like she is basically saying that "trauma's" can cause limbic system changes- which can cause MCS, Chronic Fatigue, ect.
This course reminds me of the Emotional Freedom Technique....I told you about. (mercola). It's clear from reading the sites, that this course does involve "the belief system;..meaning if a person believes they cannot be cured...they won't be."  And this woman, does actually say that in one of her paragraphs. There are some strong similarities between this 249.00 course, and the Emotional Freedom Technique...They are both addressing the body thru the unconscious belief system. My thinking would be to try mercola's Emotional Freedom Technique first...as it is FREE and you can download the instructions. The woman who is offering this class seems to be very cautious (closed lipped) about the actual technique she is using. I get the
impression  that part of this technique teaches how to recognize the body's signs.....the limic system going out of balance, then using: I'm thinking words/command/affirmations to interrupt this inflammatory process/ brain signals and re-training the body to respond in a "symptom free" way.
Now for the devil's advocate part. No long term studies, nothing on the site that tells me they track people's symptoms using hormone level testing, cortisol testing, ect..although its fairly easy to read your own pulse, which may be part of the neural training, may not be. Can't tell from the site.  
The other part is this: if being exposed to toxins be it wireless radiation/ petro chemicals/ molds/ ect causes the body to react, by by-passing this mechanism, could actually result in more toxic insults to the body. In other words, the body reacts because its telling you something is wrong. By taking away these reactions, then possibly, we are taking
away the body's defense mechanism to warn of Danger.
That's my take on this.
Having said all of that, I will say that emotional traumas can and do reak havoc with the body. This is where Holistic Medicine tends to deal with all of the picture, and where mainstream medicine tends to ignore the emotional traumas, except where they find it convenient to use psychiatric labels/ and treatments on health issues, that are actually caused by physical issues.
And this is where the Emotional Freedom Technique really shines...because using this can be very helpful for emotional issues, but can be used for just about anything. NOt to say it is a cure all....but simply put, a very useful technique that can compliment and be a part of any healing protocal. Small example: something emotional traumatic happens to someone as a child. The situation involves another person, who happens to wear a certain cologne/scent. The mind's memory of trauma is linked to
the memory of the scent- so anytime the person smells that smell- it triggors the pain of the event. Something to think about. By dealing with the trauma, the scent no longer bothers the person. This is a very simplified example,

Blessings of many,
Lizzie

 

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Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 13:31:11 -0800
Subject: [eSens] Opinions on Dynamic Neural Retraining System (DNRS)?

 

Hi, all. Can't be on here for long, but wanted to ask if anyone who can be on the computer for longer could read the testimonials & info on the Dynamic Neural Retraining Program (sounds like it's kinda like Gupta) at http://dnrsystem.com/. A woman I know from Maine who's been severely MCS
for at least 25 years, after using DNRS for the last 2 months or so, is now UNAFFECTED by scented candles, perfumes etc. Neither I nor she EVER thought she would get better at all, let alone that much better. Like so many of us, she was mold-injured. It seems like it's a bit harder to work out how much the DNRS has helped EHSers. From what I can tell (which isn't much b/c mty computer tolerance is so low) a lot of the EHSers who recovered using DNRS were only EHS for about a year or so before starting the program, whereas many of us have had EHS for years, so if anyone is capable of looking into the testimonials, info etc., could you share your opinion w/ me & the rest
of the group? Anyway, you guys are so often in my thoughts & prayers. Hang in there!

Love & blessings,
Elysia

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My personal experience:

I've already tried many of these practitioners (even if only once).  The latest Pr. was something like "neuro-anatomical training" where the mind is supposed to train the body to heal. It lasted for weeks, and did not do a thing for me. He had been trained by a chiropractor who had healed him, and who told him it works better than chiropractic. Well, not only did it fail to work for me, but I proved to him that he wasn't accurate kineseologically.
(long story)

WHAT DOES HELP MY HEADACHY FLU-SYMPTOMS:
Combo of below DIY common-sense treatments:

while lying under my blanket:
3M icy-gelPak tucked under my Lycra swim cap
& possibly: White TigerBalm smeared sparingly on temples/forehead
also:
Raspberry tea (or cherry berry) with waxy organic honey.
Also good: [smooth] Colombia/arabica coffee with creamer & molasses (or xylitol or waxy honey or nevella).
Probiotic yogurts (taken separate/apart from tea & coffee)
Also: yams, yellow oils, oily-buckwheat with barley grass sprinkled in, corn-cakes, kettleCorn, kettle-popcorners

(interesting observation:
...corn products which are good for my Celiac great-niece, also settle my system!)

Hot baths = good for me (heat epecially balances contraction of vessels necessitated by the coffee-which-helps-headaches

COLD AIR = BAD FOR ME (maybe cuz it's high pressure?
(note, that raw onion/garlic & StrongAcids & HighSodium & oliveOil give me headaches)

--- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@...> wrote:
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> Hi, Lizzie and Elysia, And All,
>
>
> Sorry, I have been absent from the forum for a month or so (family illness again); I'm trying to get up to speed on what is going on here.  This is a very old post, but thought I would comment....
>
> Lizzie writes, "This course reminds me of the Emotional Freedom Technique....I told you about. (mercola)."
>
> I don't have any info on DNRS but I have done EFT for quite a few years.  Yes, it does work to a degree.