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And have you done candida treatments?Gut flora should be 80% good, 20% bad. And most everyone, and I mean that literally,has candida, which is actually fungal based, and isthe same as parasites. This treatment has to be done effectively, which meansusing high potencty antif fungals and probiotics. the anti fungals have to be alternated, using 2 to 3 diff't ones,and the cycle is 3 weeks on, one week off, for 3 mths....6 days on, 7th day off.... the reason being is that you have to kill the adults and the baby's...and much like a flea treatment or lice,there is a life cycle here. You can do one short treatment...and completely miss incoming generations.This is why most store bought candida treatments do not work. they aren't using potent anti fungals, not rotating them, and the scheduling isnot effective. And you have to "replace" constantly the bad guys being killed off, the bad flora,with potent probiotics, and the probiotics have to , HAVE to be able to survive inan acidic environment...which is what makes mercola's one of the best..... I used the essential oil blend "Melrose" from www.youngliving.comthis is a blend of tea trees and other oils, they are organic and hexane free...and the plants are properly harvested for high potency. I rotated using the Melrose, pure Oregano essential oil (north america makes a goood one)kyolic garlic oil, and I think grapeseed extract, and Myrrh essential oil, which is also veryhigh anti fungal. I used a similar protocal to the one below....using 3 diff't anti fungals for 3 days...FOUR times a day. then switching. So I think I used 7 diff't ones, including Pao D'Arco...but Pao has to be USED with herb mate tea! (this activates it)YOu can buy the raw tea bark for Pao and boil it, or buy it prepared. I had a schedule on my refrig, to help me DO this complicated treatment...and I did it on the above note sched, 6 days on, 1 day off, 3 weeks, then take a break...then go back on it. Very successful, but it does take committment.And one has to be very careful with not using crap ingredients....makes no sense to try to heal the body by adding in "more" toxic stuff. www.brainchildnutritionals.com/res/natural-candida-programCachedCandida is extremely adaptable. This means that it develops a resistance to almost anything it comes into contact with, by means of a mutation process called pleomorphism. The basic approach of this program is to use a single natural antifungal at a time, for just four days, then switch to another one, for the next four days, and so on, for a period of six weeks to six months, or longer if needed. The rotation of different natural formulas is designed to keep the candida off balance and not give it time to build up a resistance to any one of them. During the program, you will also use probiotics every day to help build good flora, enzymes to weaken the candida cell walls, and Cell Food to oxygenate the gut cells and support pH levels.
LizzieTo: [hidden email] From: [hidden email] Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 14:44:13 +0000 Subject: [eSens] Re: Nutritional Balancing I've been taking probiotics for years. Right now I'm taking Megaflora for Kids. For some reason it works better for me than the adult formula. Steve --- In [hidden email], Elizabeth thode <lizt777@...> wrote: > > Just a note: thyroid has a lot to do with digestion.also...probiotics are a vital necessity with any good protocol.I take Mercola's probiotics and have taken them for years. 7 years ago, the list of foods I couldn't eat was way longer thenthe foods I could eat. Thyroid/adrenal and probiotics were the very first things I started.thyroid = metabolism. adrenals? all allergies will be traced to adrenals. Now there are still things I don't eat today, but those are any ingredientthat tends to be moldy or gluten, like: wheat/ corn/mushrooms, regular dairy. Lizzie > To: [hidden email] > From: torch369@... > Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 17:46:34 +0000 > Subject: [eSens] Re: Nutritional Balancing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think I'd be able to do it but have a sensitive gut so I'll take them with food, either both with breakfast or adrenal cortex with breakfast and thyroid with lunch > > Steve > > > > --- In [hidden email], Tim <timheierman@> wrote: > > > > > > Yeah, I've been taking both the thyroid and adrenal cortex first thing in the morning, then waiting a while to eat. I had been taking them with meals, but I get more benefit separately from meals. These glands work together, so if you have both adrenal and thyroid depletion, try taking the glandulars together. Of course, your own intuition is the best guide, so do what feels best, and experiment if needed. :-) > > > > > > If you are sensitive to stimulants like caffeine, chocolate, etc like me, then taking thyroid at bedtime might be a problem. I've heard folks who can do so, but not me... > > > > > > Tim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: torch369 <torch369@> > > > To: [hidden email] > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 3:00 PM > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Nutritional Balancing > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > Interesting. I've always read on the bottle to take it during the day and not after 3PM. I may have to try it during the day first to see if it's stimulating. > > > Maybe take adrenal cortex with breakfast and the thyroid with lunch. If it doesn't give me a rush I can then try it at bedtime. > > > Steve > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "torch369" <torch369@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Wow, great info, thank you. > > > > I'm surprised that taking thyroid at night wouldn't keep people awake since those with low thyroid tend to be tired and taking thyroid gives them energy. > > > > I will try it this way and see what happens.I will report back. > > > > Thanks for the info, > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "torch369" <torch369@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Tried that, made me feel weird. > > > > > I'm currently usinf SP Drenatrophin, plus Nutrimed Adrenal cortex when I feel really bad. I find glandulars work better for me than herbs > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], Patricia Robinett <patricia@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > my roommate just started taking > > > > > > Adrenal Health from Gaia, which > > > > > > is a blend of herbs. > > > > > > she is totally sold on it for herself > > > > > > and her boyfriend. > > > > > > i also got a sample and am trying it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 23, 2013, at 4:51 PM, Marc Martin <marc@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Adrenal Cortex, from Allergy Research > > > > > > > Dessicated Adreanal from Nutri-Meds > > > > > > > Adrenal Desiccated from Standard Process > > > > > > > (plus others from Standard Process - Drenamin, Drenatrophin PMG) > > > > > > > Iso-Cort > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [hidden email] [hidden email] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [hidden email] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ |
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I actually take DGL from Now Foods (less crap in it).
I took the thyroid yesterday afternoon and felt a little wired. I may have to wait until tomorrow to try it again because its a busy day at work today and I don't want to feel strange. Steve --- In [hidden email], Tim <timheierman@...> wrote: > > Ah, you remind me that in spite of my sensitivities, I seem to have an iron gut! :-) I can take zinc on an empty stomach and have no problems either... > > Yes, trust your intuition and your body! Let us know how it goes for you... If you still have troubles, consider taking DGL with these, as was recommended earlier... Enzymatic Therapy has a good one, sugar-free and it's really tasty too! iHerb or Vitacost has a good price on this... Get a chewable form though, as chewing enhances it's effectiveness. You can just let it slowly dissolve, like a "life saver". ;-) > > http://www.enzymatictherapy.com/Products/Digestion/Occasional-Heartburn-and-Indigestion/09021-DGL.aspx > > Tim > > > > > ________________________________ > From: torch369 <torch369@...> > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 12:46 PM > Subject: [eSens] Re: Nutritional Balancing > > > >  > I don't think I'd be able to do it but have a sensitive gut so I'll take them with food, either both with breakfast or adrenal cortex with breakfast and thyroid with lunch > Steve > > --- In [hidden email], Tim <timheierman@> wrote: > > > > Yeah, I've been taking both the thyroid and adrenal cortex first thing in the morning, then waiting a while to eat. I had been taking them with meals, but I get more benefit separately from meals.àThese glands work together, so if you have both adrenal and thyroid depletion, try taking the glandulars together. Of course, your own intuition is the best guide, so do what feels best, and experiment if needed.à:-) > > > > If you are sensitive to stimulants like caffeine, chocolate, etc like me, then taking thyroid at bedtime might be a problem. I've heard folks who can do so, but not me... > > > > Tim > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: torch369 <torch369@> > > To: [hidden email] > > Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 3:00 PM > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Nutritional Balancing > > > > > > > > à> > Interesting. I've always read on the bottle to take it during the day and not after 3PM. I may have to try it during the day first to see if it's stimulating. > > Maybe take adrenal cortex with breakfast and the thyroid with lunch. If it doesn't give me a rush I can then try it at bedtime. > > Steve > > > > --- In [hidden email], "torch369" <torch369@> wrote: > > > > > > Wow, great info, thank you. > > > I'm surprised that taking thyroid at night wouldn't keep people awake since those with low thyroid tend to be tired and taking thyroid gives them energy. > > > I will try it this way and see what happens.I will report back. > > > Thanks for the info, > > > Steve > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "torch369" <torch369@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Tried that, made me feel weird. > > > > I'm currently usinf SP Drenatrophin, plus Nutrimed Adrenal cortex when I feel really bad. I find glandulars work better for me than herbs > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], Patricia Robinett <patricia@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > my roommate just started taking > > > > > Adrenal Health from Gaia, which > > > > > is a blend of herbs. > > > > > she is totally sold on it for herself > > > > > and her boyfriend. > > > > > i also got a sample and am trying it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 23, 2013, at 4:51 PM, Marc Martin <marc@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Adrenal Cortex, from Allergy Research > > > > > > Dessicated Adreanal from Nutri-Meds > > > > > > Adrenal Desiccated from Standard Process > > > > > > (plus others from Standard Process - Drenamin, Drenatrophin PMG) > > > > > > Iso-Cort > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |
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I'm not using the mercola probiotic because it has fos in it which I react to. fos is also a sugar derivative. I am currently taking Candex for possible candida Steve --- In [hidden email], Elizabeth thode <lizt777@...> wrote: > > And have you done candida treatments?Gut flora should be 80% good, 20% bad. And most everyone, and I mean that literally,has candida, which is actually fungal based, and isthe same as parasites. This treatment has to be done effectively, which meansusing high potencty antif fungals and probiotics. the anti fungals have to be alternated, using 2 to 3 diff't ones,and the cycle is 3 weeks on, one week off, for 3 mths....6 days on, 7th day off.... the reason being is that you have to kill the adults and the baby's...and much like a flea treatment or lice,there is a life cycle here. You can do one short treatment...and completely miss incoming generations.This is why most store bought candida treatments do not work. they aren't using potent anti fungals, not rotating them, and the scheduling isnot effective. And you have to "replace" constantly the bad guys being killed off, the bad flora,with potent probiotics, and the probiotics have to , HAVE to be able to survive inan acidic environment...which is what makes mercola's one of the best..... I used the essential oil blend "Melrose" from www.youngliving.comthis is a blend of tea trees and other oils, they are organic and hexane free...and the plants are properly harvested for high potency. I rotated using the Melrose, pure Oregano essential oil (north america makes a goood one)kyolic garlic oil, and I think grapeseed extract, and Myrrh essential oil, which is also veryhigh anti fungal. I used a similar protocal to the one below....using 3 diff't anti fungals for 3 days...FOUR times a day. then switching. So I think I used 7 diff't ones, including Pao D'Arco...but Pao has to be USED with herb mate tea! (this activates it)YOu can buy the raw tea bark for Pao and boil it, or buy it prepared. I had a schedule on my refrig, to help me DO this complicated treatment...and I did it on the above note sched, 6 days on, 1 day off, 3 weeks, then take a break...then go back on it. Very successful, but it does take committment.And one has to be very careful with not using crap ingredients....makes no sense to try to heal the body by adding in "more" toxic stuff. www.brainchildnutritionals.com/res/natural-candida-programCachedCandida is extremely adaptable. This means that it develops a resistance to almost anything it comes into contact with, by means of a mutation process called pleomorphism. The basic approach of this program is to use a single natural antifungal at a time, for just four days, then switch to another one, for the next four days, and so on, for a period of six weeks to six months, or longer if needed. The rotation of different natural formulas is designed to keep the candida "off balance" and not give it time to build up a resistance to any one of them. During the program, you will also use probiotics every day to help build good flora, enzymes to weaken the candida cell walls, and Cell Food to oxygenate the gut cells and support pH levels. > LizzieTo: [hidden email] > From: torch369@... > Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 14:44:13 +0000 > Subject: [eSens] Re: Nutritional Balancing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've been taking probiotics for years. Right now I'm taking Megaflora for Kids. For some reason it works better for me than the adult formula. > > Steve > > > > --- In [hidden email], Elizabeth thode <lizt777@> wrote: > > > > > > Just a note: thyroid has a lot to do with digestion.also...probiotics are a vital necessity with any good protocol.I take Mercola's probiotics and have taken them for years. 7 years ago, the list of foods I couldn't eat was way longer thenthe foods I could eat. Thyroid/adrenal and probiotics were the very first things I started.thyroid = metabolism. adrenals? all allergies will be traced to adrenals. Now there are still things I don't eat today, but those are any ingredientthat tends to be moldy or gluten, like: wheat/ corn/mushrooms, regular dairy. Lizzie > > > To: [hidden email] > > > From: torch369@ > > > Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 17:46:34 +0000 > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Nutritional Balancing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think I'd be able to do it but have a sensitive gut so I'll take them with food, either both with breakfast or adrenal cortex with breakfast and thyroid with lunch > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], Tim <timheierman@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, I've been taking both the thyroid and adrenal cortex first thing in the morning, then waiting a while to eat. I had been taking them with meals, but I get more benefit separately from meals. These glands work together, so if you have both adrenal and thyroid depletion, try taking the glandulars together. Of course, your own intuition is the best guide, so do what feels best, and experiment if needed. :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you are sensitive to stimulants like caffeine, chocolate, etc like me, then taking thyroid at bedtime might be a problem. I've heard folks who can do so, but not me... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > From: torch369 <torch369@> > > > > > > > To: [hidden email] > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 3:00 PM > > > > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Nutritional Balancing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Interesting. I've always read on the bottle to take it during the day and not after 3PM. I may have to try it during the day first to see if it's stimulating. > > > > > > > Maybe take adrenal cortex with breakfast and the thyroid with lunch. If it doesn't give me a rush I can then try it at bedtime. > > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "torch369" <torch369@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wow, great info, thank you. > > > > > > > > I'm surprised that taking thyroid at night wouldn't keep people awake since those with low thyroid tend to be tired and taking thyroid gives them energy. > > > > > > > > I will try it this way and see what happens.I will report back. > > > > > > > > Thanks for the info, > > > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "torch369" <torch369@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tried that, made me feel weird. > > > > > > > > > I'm currently usinf SP Drenatrophin, plus Nutrimed Adrenal cortex when I feel really bad. I find glandulars work better for me than herbs > > > > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], Patricia Robinett <patricia@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my roommate just started taking > > > > > > > > > > Adrenal Health from Gaia, which > > > > > > > > > > is a blend of herbs. > > > > > > > > > > she is totally sold on it for herself > > > > > > > > > > and her boyfriend. > > > > > > > > > > i also got a sample and am trying it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 23, 2013, at 4:51 PM, Marc Martin <marc@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Adrenal Cortex, from Allergy Research > > > > > > > > > > > Dessicated Adreanal from Nutri-Meds > > > > > > > > > > > Adrenal Desiccated from Standard Process > > > > > > > > > > > (plus others from Standard Process - Drenamin, Drenatrophin PMG) > > > > > > > > > > > Iso-Cort > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |
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the formula is: 3-4 days on the Adrenals first..
THEN add in the thyroid.Otherwise, the body cannot USE the thyroid hormnes,as the ADrenals "make" the hormones the body needsto properly metabolize/use the thyroid stuff.Sometimes it DOES matter the "order" of things...and this is a casewhere the right order absolutely does "matter".Also, some do better takign the thyroid before bedtime..others can take it, in the morning. LizzieTo: [hidden email] From: [hidden email] Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 14:50:08 +0000 Subject: [eSens] Re: Nutritional Balancing I actually take DGL from Now Foods (less crap in it). I took the thyroid yesterday afternoon and felt a little wired. I may have to wait until tomorrow to try it again because its a busy day at work today and I don't want to feel strange. Steve --- In [hidden email], Tim <timheierman@...> wrote: > > Ah, you remind me that in spite of my sensitivities, I seem to have an iron gut! :-) I can take zinc on an empty stomach and have no problems either... > > Yes, trust your intuition and your body! Let us know how it goes for you... If you still have troubles, consider taking DGL with these, as was recommended earlier... Enzymatic Therapy has a good one, sugar-free and it's really tasty too! iHerb or Vitacost has a good price on this... Get a chewable form though, as chewing enhances it's effectiveness. You can just let it slowly dissolve, like a "life saver". ;-) > > http://www.enzymatictherapy.com/Products/Digestion/Occasional-Heartburn-and-Indigestion/09021-DGL.aspx > > Tim > > > > > ________________________________ > From: torch369 <torch369@...> > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 12:46 PM > Subject: [eSens] Re: Nutritional Balancing > > > >  > I don't think I'd be able to do it but have a sensitive gut so I'll take them with food, either both with breakfast or adrenal cortex with breakfast and thyroid with lunch > Steve > > --- In [hidden email], Tim <timheierman@> wrote: > > > > Yeah, I've been taking both the thyroid and adrenal cortex first thing in the morning, then waiting a while to eat. I had been taking them with meals, but I get more benefit separately from meals.àThese glands work together, so if you have both adrenal and thyroid depletion, try taking the glandulars together. Of course, your own intuition is the best guide, so do what feels best, and experiment if needed.à:-) > > > > If you are sensitive to stimulants like caffeine, chocolate, etc like me, then taking thyroid at bedtime might be a problem. I've heard folks who can do so, but not me... > > > > Tim > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: torch369 <torch369@> > > To: [hidden email] > > Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 3:00 PM > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Nutritional Balancing > > > > > > > > à> > Interesting. I've always read on the bottle to take it during the day and not after 3PM. I may have to try it during the day first to see if it's stimulating. > > Maybe take adrenal cortex with breakfast and the thyroid with lunch. If it doesn't give me a rush I can then try it at bedtime. > > Steve > > > > --- In [hidden email], "torch369" <torch369@> wrote: > > > > > > Wow, great info, thank you. > > > I'm surprised that taking thyroid at night wouldn't keep people awake since those with low thyroid tend to be tired and taking thyroid gives them energy. > > > I will try it this way and see what happens.I will report back. > > > Thanks for the info, > > > Steve > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "torch369" <torch369@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Tried that, made me feel weird. > > > > I'm currently usinf SP Drenatrophin, plus Nutrimed Adrenal cortex when I feel really bad. I find glandulars work better for me than herbs > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], Patricia Robinett <patricia@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > my roommate just started taking > > > > > Adrenal Health from Gaia, which > > > > > is a blend of herbs. > > > > > she is totally sold on it for herself > > > > > and her boyfriend. > > > > > i also got a sample and am trying it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 23, 2013, at 4:51 PM, Marc Martin <marc@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Adrenal Cortex, from Allergy Research > > > > > > Dessicated Adreanal from Nutri-Meds > > > > > > Adrenal Desiccated from Standard Process > > > > > > (plus others from Standard Process - Drenamin, Drenatrophin PMG) > > > > > > Iso-Cort > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! 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Yeah, I take some Now Foods products as well, but I've found their quality control is sometimes lacking. I find that of Swanson as well... I ordered some non-GMO lecithin from Swanson's not long ago and found plastic bits inside, not related to the packaging.
The first day I took thyroid I had a racing heart, felt a tremendous energy burst, and began having trouble sleeping, taking one cap (Nutri-meds 130mg) in the morning. I cut back to 1/2 a cap and felt benefits without side effects. So it might be natural to feel a surge when you've had a lower thyroid, but you may need to adjust the dose. It's great to get clear feedback from your body when something works! You should see your morning basal temp come up too. I'm back to normal temps in the morning after a week or two of thyroid. If your basal temp becomes higher than normal or you feel wired or sleepless, then you may need to cut back on the thyroid or try spreading it out in a couple of doses, eh? If your thyroid is a tablet, get one of those nifty tablet cutters. It's the best 88 cent purchase I've made! :-) Tim ________________________________ From: torch369 <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 9:50 AM Subject: [eSens] Re: Nutritional Balancing I actually take DGL from Now Foods (less crap in it). I took the thyroid yesterday afternoon and felt a little wired. I may have to wait until tomorrow to try it again because its a busy day at work today and I don't want to feel strange. Steve --- In [hidden email], Tim <timheierman@...> wrote: > > Ah, you remind me that in spite of my sensitivities, I seem to have an iron gut! :-) I can take zinc on an empty stomach and have no problems either... > > Yes, trust your intuition and your body! Let us know how it goes for you... If you still have troubles, consider taking DGL with these, as was recommended earlier... Enzymatic Therapy has a good one, sugar-free and it's really tasty too! iHerb or Vitacost has a good price on this... Get a chewable form though, as chewing enhances it's effectiveness. You can just let it slowly dissolve, like a "life saver". ;-) > > http://www.enzymatictherapy.com/Products/Digestion/Occasional-Heartburn-and-Indigestion/09021-DGL.aspx > > Tim > > > > > ________________________________ > From: torch369 <torch369@...> > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 12:46 PM > Subject: [eSens] Re: Nutritional Balancing > > > >  > I don't think I'd be able to do it but have a sensitive gut so I'll take them with food, either both with breakfast or adrenal cortex with breakfast and thyroid with lunch > Steve > > --- In [hidden email], Tim <timheierman@> wrote: > > > > Yeah, I've been taking both the thyroid and adrenal cortex first thing in the morning, then waiting a while to eat. I had been taking them with meals, but I get more benefit separately from meals. These glands work together, so if you have both adrenal and thyroid depletion, try taking the glandulars together. Of course, your own intuition is the best guide, so do what feels best, and experiment if needed. :-) > > > > If you are sensitive to stimulants like caffeine, chocolate, etc like me, then taking thyroid at bedtime might be a problem. I've heard folks who can do so, but not me... > > > > Tim > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: torch369 <torch369@> > > To: [hidden email] > > Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 3:00 PM > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Nutritional Balancing > > > > > > > >  > > Interesting. I've always read on the bottle to take it during the day and not after 3PM. I may have to try it during the day first to see if it's stimulating. > > Maybe take adrenal cortex with breakfast and the thyroid with lunch. If it doesn't give me a rush I can then try it at bedtime. > > Steve > > > > --- In [hidden email], "torch369" <torch369@> wrote: > > > > > > Wow, great info, thank you. > > > I'm surprised that taking thyroid at night wouldn't keep people awake since those with low thyroid tend to be tired and taking thyroid gives them energy. > > > I will try it this way and see what happens.I will report back. > > > Thanks for the info, > > > Steve > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "torch369" <torch369@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Tried that, made me feel weird. > > > > I'm currently usinf SP Drenatrophin, plus Nutrimed Adrenal cortex when I feel really bad. I find glandulars work better for me than herbs > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], Patricia Robinett <patricia@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > my roommate just started taking > > > > > Adrenal Health from Gaia, which > > > > > is a blend of herbs. > > > > > she is totally sold on it for herself > > > > > and her boyfriend. > > > > > i also got a sample and am trying it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 23, 2013, at 4:51 PM, Marc Martin <marc@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Adrenal Cortex, from Allergy Research > > > > > > Dessicated Adreanal from Nutri-Meds > > > > > > Adrenal Desiccated from Standard Process > > > > > > (plus others from Standard Process - Drenamin, Drenatrophin PMG) > > > > > > Iso-Cort > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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I'll throw my two cents in too... :-)
I had uncontrollable candida problems when I was working around a lot of PCs, working right under a cell tower on the roof of our building too, and was around wifi all the time. Once I got away from all the RF, things improved somewhat, but it wasn't until I started taking nascent iodine that my dysbiosis got under control, and it was amazingly quick too! I tried all kinds of things, rotated and alternated anything antifungal that was recommended. I tried all kinds of probiotics as well. I found that Syntol AMD helped the greatest. It's got acid resistant flora plus strong enzymes. The results were symptomatic at best though, only worked as long as I was taking it, and it's expensive. It was all the RF that caused the imbalance I think... That's what worked for me... I'm with Lizzie... Gotta get the dysbiosis under control, and good flora is essential! Tim ________________________________ From: torch369 <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 9:52 AM Subject: [eSens] Re: Nutritional Balancing I'm not using the mercola probiotic because it has fos in it which I react to. fos is also a sugar derivative. I am currently taking Candex for possible candida Steve --- In [hidden email], Elizabeth thode <lizt777@...> wrote: > > And have you done candida treatments?Gut flora should be 80% good, 20% bad. And most everyone, and I mean that literally,has candida, which is actually fungal based, and isthe same as parasites. This treatment has to be done effectively, which meansusing high potencty antif fungals and probiotics. the anti fungals have to be alternated, using 2 to 3 diff't ones,and the cycle is 3 weeks on, one week off, for 3 mths....6 days on, 7th day off.... the reason being is that you have to kill the adults and the baby's...and much like a flea treatment or lice,there is a life cycle here. You can do one short treatment...and completely miss incoming generations.This is why most store bought candida treatments do not work. they aren't using potent anti fungals, not rotating them, and the scheduling isnot effective. And you have to "replace" constantly the bad guys being killed off, the bad flora,with potent probiotics, and the probiotics have to , HAVE to be able to survive inan acidic environment...which is what makes mercola's one of the best..... I used the essential oil blend "Melrose" from www.youngliving.comthis is a blend of tea trees and other oils, they are organic and hexane free...and the plants are properly harvested for high potency. I rotated using the Melrose, pure Oregano essential oil (north america makes a goood one)kyolic garlic oil, and I think grapeseed extract, and Myrrh essential oil, which is also veryhigh anti fungal. I used a similar protocal to the one below....using 3 diff't anti fungals for 3 days...FOUR times a day. then switching. So I think I used 7 diff't ones, including Pao D'Arco...but Pao has to be USED with herb mate tea! (this activates it)YOu can buy the raw tea bark for Pao and boil it, or buy it prepared. I had a schedule on my refrig, to help me DO this complicated treatment...and I did it on the above note sched, 6 days on, 1 day off, 3 weeks, then take a break...then go back on it. Very successful, but it does take committment.And one has to be very careful with not using crap ingredients....makes no sense to try to heal the body by adding in "more" toxic stuff. www.brainchildnutritionals.com/res/natural-candida-programCachedCandida is extremely adaptable. This means that it develops a resistance to almost anything it comes into contact with, by means of a mutation process called pleomorphism. The basic approach of this program is to use a single natural antifungal at a time, for just four days, then switch to another one, for the next four days, and so on, for a period of six weeks to six months, or longer if needed. The rotation of different natural formulas is designed to keep the candida "off balance" and not give it time to build up a resistance to any one of them. During the program, you will also use probiotics every day to help build good flora, enzymes to weaken the candida cell walls, and Cell Food to oxygenate the gut cells and support pH levels. > LizzieTo: [hidden email] > From: torch369@... > Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 14:44:13 +0000 > Subject: [eSens] Re: Nutritional Balancing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've been taking probiotics for years. Right now I'm taking Megaflora for Kids. For some reason it works better for me than the adult formula. > > Steve > > > > --- In [hidden email], Elizabeth thode <lizt777@> wrote: > > > > > > Just a note: thyroid has a lot to do with digestion.also...probiotics are a vital necessity with any good protocol.I take Mercola's probiotics and have taken them for years. 7 years ago, the list of foods I couldn't eat was way longer thenthe foods I could eat. Thyroid/adrenal and probiotics were the very first things I started.thyroid = metabolism. adrenals? all allergies will be traced to adrenals. Now there are still things I don't eat today, but those are any ingredientthat tends to be moldy or gluten, like: wheat/ corn/mushrooms, regular dairy. Lizzie > > > To: [hidden email] > > > From: torch369@ > > > Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 17:46:34 +0000 > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Nutritional Balancing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think I'd be able to do it but have a sensitive gut so I'll take them with food, either both with breakfast or adrenal cortex with breakfast and thyroid with lunch > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], Tim <timheierman@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, I've been taking both the thyroid and adrenal cortex first thing in the morning, then waiting a while to eat. I had been taking them with meals, but I get more benefit separately from meals. These glands work together, so if you have both adrenal and thyroid depletion, try taking the glandulars together. Of course, your own intuition is the best guide, so do what feels best, and experiment if needed. :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you are sensitive to stimulants like caffeine, chocolate, etc like me, then taking thyroid at bedtime might be a problem. I've heard folks who can do so, but not me... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > From: torch369 <torch369@> > > > > > > > To: [hidden email] > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 3:00 PM > > > > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Nutritional Balancing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Interesting. I've always read on the bottle to take it during the day and not after 3PM. I may have to try it during the day first to see if it's stimulating. > > > > > > > Maybe take adrenal cortex with breakfast and the thyroid with lunch. If it doesn't give me a rush I can then try it at bedtime. > > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "torch369" <torch369@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wow, great info, thank you. > > > > > > > > I'm surprised that taking thyroid at night wouldn't keep people awake since those with low thyroid tend to be tired and taking thyroid gives them energy. > > > > > > > > I will try it this way and see what happens.I will report back. > > > > > > > > Thanks for the info, > > > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "torch369" <torch369@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tried that, made me feel weird. > > > > > > > > > I'm currently usinf SP Drenatrophin, plus Nutrimed Adrenal cortex when I feel really bad. I find glandulars work better for me than herbs > > > > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], Patricia Robinett <patricia@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my roommate just started taking > > > > > > > > > > Adrenal Health from Gaia, which > > > > > > > > > > is a blend of herbs. > > > > > > > > > > she is totally sold on it for herself > > > > > > > > > > and her boyfriend. > > > > > > > > > > i also got a sample and am trying it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 23, 2013, at 4:51 PM, Marc Martin <marc@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Adrenal Cortex, from Allergy Research > > > > > > > > > > > Dessicated Adreanal from Nutri-Meds > > > > > > > > > > > Adrenal Desiccated from Standard Process > > > > > > > > > > > (plus others from Standard Process - Drenamin, Drenatrophin PMG) > > > > > > > > > > > Iso-Cort > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Hi Tim,
Could you tell me what the difference is between Lugol's and nascent iodine? I use Lugol's. Laurie ________________________________ From: Tim <[hidden email]> To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 9:25:19 AM Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Nutritional Balancing I'll throw my two cents in too... :-) I had uncontrollable candida problems when I was working around a lot of PCs, working right under a cell tower on the roof of our building too, and was around wifi all the time. Once I got away from all the RF, things improved somewhat, but it wasn't until I started taking nascent iodine that my dysbiosis got under control, and it was amazingly quick too! I tried all kinds of things, rotated and alternated anything antifungal that was recommended. I tried all kinds of probiotics as well. I found that Syntol AMD helped the greatest. It's got acid resistant flora plus strong enzymes. The results were symptomatic at best though, only worked as long as I was taking it, and it's expensive. It was all the RF that caused the imbalance I think... That's what worked for me... I'm with Lizzie... Gotta get the dysbiosis under control, and good flora is essential! Tim ________________________________ From: torch369 <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 9:52 AM Subject: [eSens] Re: Nutritional Balancing I'm not using the mercola probiotic because it has fos in it which I react to. fos is also a sugar derivative. I am currently taking Candex for possible candida Steve --- In [hidden email], Elizabeth thode <lizt777@...> wrote: > > And have you done candida treatments?Gut flora should be 80% good, 20% bad. And most everyone, and I mean that literally,has candida, which is actually fungal based, and isthe same as parasites. This treatment has to be done effectively, which meansusing high potencty antif fungals and probiotics. the anti fungals have to be alternated, using 2 to 3 diff't ones,and the cycle is 3 weeks on, one week off, for 3 mths....6 days on, 7th day off.... the reason being is that you have to kill the adults and the baby's...and much like a flea treatment or lice,there is a life cycle here. You can do one short treatment...and completely miss incoming generations.This is why most store bought candida treatments do not work. they aren't using potent anti fungals, not rotating them, and the scheduling isnot effective. And you have to "replace" constantly the bad guys being killed off, the bad flora,with potent probiotics, and the probiotics have to , HAVE to be able to survive inan acidic environment...which is what makes mercola's one of the best..... I used the essential oil blend "Melrose" from www.youngliving.comthis is a blend of tea trees and other oils, they are organic and hexane free...and the plants are properly harvested for high potency. I rotated using the Melrose, pure Oregano essential oil (north america makes a goood one)kyolic garlic oil, and I think grapeseed extract, and Myrrh essential oil, which is also veryhigh anti fungal. I used a similar protocal to the one below....using 3 diff't anti fungals for 3 days...FOUR times a day. then switching. So I think I used 7 diff't ones, including Pao D'Arco...but Pao has to be USED with herb mate tea! (this activates it)YOu can buy the raw tea bark for Pao and boil it, or buy it prepared. I had a schedule on my refrig, to help me DO this complicated treatment...and I did it on the above note sched, 6 days on, 1 day off, 3 weeks, then take a break...then go back on it. Very successful, but it does take committment.And one has to be very careful with not using crap ingredients....makes no sense to try to heal the body by adding in "more" toxic stuff. www.brainchildnutritionals.com/res/natural-candida-programCachedCandida is extremely adaptable. This means that it develops a resistance to almost anything it comes into contact with, by means of a mutation process called pleomorphism. The basic approach of this program is to use a single natural antifungal at a time, for just four days, then switch to another one, for the next four days, and so on, for a period of six weeks to six months, or longer if needed. The rotation of different natural formulas is designed to keep the candida "off balance" and not give it time to build up a resistance to any one of them. During the program, you will also use probiotics every day to help build good flora, enzymes to weaken the candida cell walls, and Cell Food to oxygenate the gut cells and support pH levels. > LizzieTo: [hidden email] > From: torch369@... > Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 14:44:13 +0000 > Subject: [eSens] Re: Nutritional Balancing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've been taking probiotics for years. Right now I'm taking Megaflora for Kids. For some reason it works better for me than the adult formula. > > Steve > > > > --- In [hidden email], Elizabeth thode <lizt777@> wrote: > > > > > > Just a note: thyroid has a lot to do with digestion.also...probiotics are a vital necessity with any good protocol.I take Mercola's probiotics and have taken them for years. 7 years ago, the list of foods I couldn't eat was way longer thenthe foods I could eat. Thyroid/adrenal and probiotics were the very first things I started.thyroid = metabolism. adrenals? all allergies will be traced to adrenals. Now there are still things I don't eat today, but those are any ingredientthat tends to be moldy or gluten, like: wheat/ corn/mushrooms, regular dairy. Lizzie > > > To: [hidden email] > > > From: torch369@ > > > Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 17:46:34 +0000 > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Nutritional Balancing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think I'd be able to do it but have a sensitive gut so I'll take them with food, either both with breakfast or adrenal cortex with breakfast and thyroid with lunch > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], Tim <timheierman@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, I've been taking both the thyroid and adrenal cortex first thing in the morning, then waiting a while to eat. I had been taking them with meals, but I get more benefit separately from meals. These glands work together, so if you have both adrenal and thyroid depletion, try taking the glandulars together. Of course, your own intuition is the best guide, so do what feels best, and experiment if needed. :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you are sensitive to stimulants like caffeine, chocolate, etc like me, then taking thyroid at bedtime might be a problem. I've heard folks who can do so, but not me... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > From: torch369 <torch369@> > > > > > > > To: [hidden email] > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 3:00 PM > > > > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Nutritional Balancing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Interesting. I've always read on the bottle to take it during the day and not after 3PM. I may have to try it during the day first to see if it's stimulating. > > > > > > > Maybe take adrenal cortex with breakfast and the thyroid with lunch. If it doesn't give me a rush I can then try it at bedtime. > > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "torch369" <torch369@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wow, great info, thank you. > > > > > > > > I'm surprised that taking thyroid at night wouldn't keep people awake since those with low thyroid tend to be tired and taking thyroid gives them energy. > > > > > > > > I will try it this way and see what happens.I will report back. > > > > > > > > Thanks for the info, > > > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "torch369" <torch369@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tried that, made me feel weird. > > > > > > > > > I'm currently usinf SP Drenatrophin, plus Nutrimed Adrenal cortex when I feel really bad. I find glandulars work better for me than herbs > > > > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], Patricia Robinett <patricia@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my roommate just started taking > > > > > > > > > > Adrenal Health from Gaia, which > > > > > > > > > > is a blend of herbs. > > > > > > > > > > she is totally sold on it for herself > > > > > > > > > > and her boyfriend. > > > > > > > > > > i also got a sample and am trying it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 23, 2013, at 4:51 PM, Marc Martin <marc@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Adrenal Cortex, from Allergy Research > > > > > > > > > > > Dessicated Adreanal from Nutri-Meds > > > > > > > > > > > Adrenal Desiccated from Standard Process > > > > > > > > > > > (plus others from Standard Process - Drenamin, Drenatrophin PMG) > > > > > > > > > > > Iso-Cort > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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With all due respect: that racing heart may have been due to the Melatonin you're taking.Its not necessarily needed when the thyroid/adrnenals are adequately supported. I base this on the feedback from the many, many people who report to going fromcrappy sleep before taking the above two supplements, to having great sleepafter taking these two supplements. Melatonin is a hormone....and what do the thyroid and adrenals manufacture? Hormones.And the thyroid is connected to melatonin production.
LizzieTo: [hidden email] From: [hidden email] Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 08:58:17 -0700 Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Nutritional Balancing Yeah, I take some Now Foods products as well, but I've found their quality control is sometimes lacking. I find that of Swanson as well... I ordered some non-GMO lecithin from Swanson's not long ago and found plastic bits inside, not related to the packaging. The first day I took thyroid I had a racing heart, felt a tremendous energy burst, and began having trouble sleeping, taking one cap (Nutri-meds 130mg) in the morning. I cut back to 1/2 a cap and felt benefits without side effects. So it might be natural to feel a surge when you've had a lower thyroid, but you may need to adjust the dose. It's great to get clear feedback from your body when something works! You should see your morning basal temp come up too. I'm back to normal temps in the morning after a week or two of thyroid. If your basal temp becomes higher than normal or you feel wired or sleepless, then you may need to cut back on the thyroid or try spreading it out in a couple of doses, eh? If your thyroid is a tablet, get one of those nifty tablet cutters. It's the best 88 cent purchase I've made! :-) Tim ________________________________ From: torch369 <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 9:50 AM Subject: [eSens] Re: Nutritional Balancing I actually take DGL from Now Foods (less crap in it). I took the thyroid yesterday afternoon and felt a little wired. I may have to wait until tomorrow to try it again because its a busy day at work today and I don't want to feel strange. Steve --- In [hidden email], Tim <timheierman@...> wrote: > > Ah, you remind me that in spite of my sensitivities, I seem to have an iron gut! :-) I can take zinc on an empty stomach and have no problems either... > > Yes, trust your intuition and your body! Let us know how it goes for you... If you still have troubles, consider taking DGL with these, as was recommended earlier... Enzymatic Therapy has a good one, sugar-free and it's really tasty too! iHerb or Vitacost has a good price on this... Get a chewable form though, as chewing enhances it's effectiveness. You can just let it slowly dissolve, like a "life saver". ;-) > > http://www.enzymatictherapy.com/Products/Digestion/Occasional-Heartburn-and-Indigestion/09021-DGL.aspx > > Tim > > > > > ________________________________ > From: torch369 <torch369@...> > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 12:46 PM > Subject: [eSens] Re: Nutritional Balancing > > > >  > I don't think I'd be able to do it but have a sensitive gut so I'll take them with food, either both with breakfast or adrenal cortex with breakfast and thyroid with lunch > Steve > > --- In [hidden email], Tim <timheierman@> wrote: > > > > Yeah, I've been taking both the thyroid and adrenal cortex first thing in the morning, then waiting a while to eat. I had been taking them with meals, but I get more benefit separately from meals.àThese glands work together, so if you have both adrenal and thyroid depletion, try taking the glandulars together. Of course, your own intuition is the best guide, so do what feels best, and experiment if needed.à:-) > > > > If you are sensitive to stimulants like caffeine, chocolate, etc like me, then taking thyroid at bedtime might be a problem. I've heard folks who can do so, but not me... > > > > Tim > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: torch369 <torch369@> > > To: [hidden email] > > Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 3:00 PM > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Nutritional Balancing > > > > > > > > à> > Interesting. I've always read on the bottle to take it during the day and not after 3PM. I may have to try it during the day first to see if it's stimulating. > > Maybe take adrenal cortex with breakfast and the thyroid with lunch. If it doesn't give me a rush I can then try it at bedtime. > > Steve > > > > --- In [hidden email], "torch369" <torch369@> wrote: > > > > > > Wow, great info, thank you. > > > I'm surprised that taking thyroid at night wouldn't keep people awake since those with low thyroid tend to be tired and taking thyroid gives them energy. > > > I will try it this way and see what happens.I will report back. > > > Thanks for the info, > > > Steve > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "torch369" <torch369@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Tried that, made me feel weird. > > > > I'm currently usinf SP Drenatrophin, plus Nutrimed Adrenal cortex when I feel really bad. I find glandulars work better for me than herbs > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], Patricia Robinett <patricia@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > my roommate just started taking > > > > > Adrenal Health from Gaia, which > > > > > is a blend of herbs. > > > > > she is totally sold on it for herself > > > > > and her boyfriend. > > > > > i also got a sample and am trying it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 23, 2013, at 4:51 PM, Marc Martin <marc@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Adrenal Cortex, from Allergy Research > > > > > > Dessicated Adreanal from Nutri-Meds > > > > > > Adrenal Desiccated from Standard Process > > > > > > (plus others from Standard Process - Drenamin, Drenatrophin PMG) > > > > > > Iso-Cort > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! 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Klinghardt states: when you put any micro toxin/mold/ect in the field of emfs,they will multiply 600%.I've seen this happen with my own eyes. Lizzie
To: [hidden email] From: [hidden email] Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 09:25:19 -0700 Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Nutritional Balancing I'll throw my two cents in too... :-) I had uncontrollable candida problems when I was working around a lot of PCs, working right under a cell tower on the roof of our building too, and was around wifi all the time. Once I got away from all the RF, things improved somewhat, but it wasn't until I started taking nascent iodine that my dysbiosis got under control, and it was amazingly quick too! I tried all kinds of things, rotated and alternated anything antifungal that was recommended. I tried all kinds of probiotics as well. I found that Syntol AMD helped the greatest. It's got acid resistant flora plus strong enzymes. The results were symptomatic at best though, only worked as long as I was taking it, and it's expensive. It was all the RF that caused the imbalance I think... That's what worked for me... I'm with Lizzie... Gotta get the dysbiosis under control, and good flora is essential! Tim ________________________________ From: torch369 <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 9:52 AM Subject: [eSens] Re: Nutritional Balancing I'm not using the mercola probiotic because it has fos in it which I react to. fos is also a sugar derivative. I am currently taking Candex for possible candida Steve --- In [hidden email], Elizabeth thode <lizt777@...> wrote: > > And have you done candida treatments?Gut flora should be 80% good, 20% bad. And most everyone, and I mean that literally,has candida, which is actually fungal based, and isthe same as parasites. This treatment has to be done effectively, which meansusing high potencty antif fungals and probiotics. the anti fungals have to be alternated, using 2 to 3 diff't ones,and the cycle is 3 weeks on, one week off, for 3 mths....6 days on, 7th day off.... the reason being is that you have to kill the adults and the baby's...and much like a flea treatment or lice,there is a life cycle here. You can do one short treatment...and completely miss incoming generations.This is why most store bought candida treatments do not work. they aren't using potent anti fungals, not rotating them, and the scheduling isnot effective. And you have to "replace" constantly the bad guys being killed off, the bad flora,with potent probiotics, and the probiotics have to , HAVE to be able to survive inan acidic environment...which is what makes mercola's one of the best..... I used the essential oil blend "Melrose" from www.youngliving.comthis is a blend of tea trees and other oils, they are organic and hexane free...and the plants are properly harvested for high potency. I rotated using the Melrose, pure Oregano essential oil (north america makes a goood one)kyolic garlic oil, and I think grapeseed extract, and Myrrh essential oil, which is also veryhigh anti fungal. I used a similar protocal to the one below....using 3 diff't anti fungals for 3 days...FOUR times a day. then switching. So I think I used 7 diff't ones, including Pao D'Arco...but Pao has to be USED with herb mate tea! (this activates it)YOu can buy the raw tea bark for Pao and boil it, or buy it prepared. I had a schedule on my refrig, to help me DO this complicated treatment...and I did it on the above note sched, 6 days on, 1 day off, 3 weeks, then take a break...then go back on it. Very successful, but it does take committment.And one has to be very careful with not using crap ingredients....makes no sense to try to heal the body by adding in "more" toxic stuff. www.brainchildnutritionals.com/res/natural-candida-programCachedCandida is extremely adaptable. This means that it develops a resistance to almost anything it comes into contact with, by means of a mutation process called pleomorphism. The basic approach of this program is to use a single natural antifungal at a time, for just four days, then switch to another one, for the next four days, and so on, for a period of six weeks to six months, or longer if needed. The rotation of different natural formulas is designed to keep the candida "off balance" and not give it time to build up a resistance to any one of them. During the program, you will also use probiotics every day to help build good flora, enzymes to weaken the candida cell walls, and Cell Food to oxygenate the gut cells and support pH levels. > LizzieTo: [hidden email] > From: torch369@... > Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 14:44:13 +0000 > Subject: [eSens] Re: Nutritional Balancing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've been taking probiotics for years. Right now I'm taking Megaflora for Kids. For some reason it works better for me than the adult formula. > > Steve > > > > --- In [hidden email], Elizabeth thode <lizt777@> wrote: > > > > > > Just a note: thyroid has a lot to do with digestion.also...probiotics are a vital necessity with any good protocol.I take Mercola's probiotics and have taken them for years. 7 years ago, the list of foods I couldn't eat was way longer thenthe foods I could eat. Thyroid/adrenal and probiotics were the very first things I started.thyroid = metabolism. adrenals? all allergies will be traced to adrenals. Now there are still things I don't eat today, but those are any ingredientthat tends to be moldy or gluten, like: wheat/ corn/mushrooms, regular dairy. Lizzie > > > To: [hidden email] > > > From: torch369@ > > > Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 17:46:34 +0000 > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Nutritional Balancing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think I'd be able to do it but have a sensitive gut so I'll take them with food, either both with breakfast or adrenal cortex with breakfast and thyroid with lunch > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], Tim <timheierman@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, I've been taking both the thyroid and adrenal cortex first thing in the morning, then waiting a while to eat. I had been taking them with meals, but I get more benefit separately from meals. These glands work together, so if you have both adrenal and thyroid depletion, try taking the glandulars together. Of course, your own intuition is the best guide, so do what feels best, and experiment if needed. :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you are sensitive to stimulants like caffeine, chocolate, etc like me, then taking thyroid at bedtime might be a problem. I've heard folks who can do so, but not me... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > From: torch369 <torch369@> > > > > > > > To: [hidden email] > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 3:00 PM > > > > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Nutritional Balancing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Interesting. I've always read on the bottle to take it during the day and not after 3PM. I may have to try it during the day first to see if it's stimulating. > > > > > > > Maybe take adrenal cortex with breakfast and the thyroid with lunch. If it doesn't give me a rush I can then try it at bedtime. > > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "torch369" <torch369@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wow, great info, thank you. > > > > > > > > I'm surprised that taking thyroid at night wouldn't keep people awake since those with low thyroid tend to be tired and taking thyroid gives them energy. > > > > > > > > I will try it this way and see what happens.I will report back. > > > > > > > > Thanks for the info, > > > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "torch369" <torch369@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tried that, made me feel weird. > > > > > > > > > I'm currently usinf SP Drenatrophin, plus Nutrimed Adrenal cortex when I feel really bad. 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Hi Laurie,
I'm no expert on iodine by any means. :-) I'm just relaying my experiences, and others may chime in here... The main difference is that nascent is a pure atomic form, single iodine molecules with no salt attached (not easy to do and carries an energy charge). Lugol's is a solution of I2 (iodine bonded to another iodine molecule) and iodine stabilized by a salt, i.e. potassium iodide. The advantage of single iodine molecuels is that they are ready to go, quickly utilized and you generally don't need as much to be effective, reducing the chance of toxicity. Here's a good summary of iodine and some studies done: http://www.lewrockwell.com/miller/miller20.html Here's a good summary of the benefits and comparison of different forms of iodine. http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_iodine01.htm Tim ________________________________ From: Laurie Corbeil <[hidden email]> To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Nutritional Balancing Hi Tim, Could you tell me what the difference is between Lugol's and nascent iodine? I use Lugol's. Laurie ________________________________ From: Tim <[hidden email]> To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 9:25:19 AM Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Nutritional Balancing I'll throw my two cents in too... :-) I had uncontrollable candida problems when I was working around a lot of PCs, working right under a cell tower on the roof of our building too, and was around wifi all the time. Once I got away from all the RF, things improved somewhat, but it wasn't until I started taking nascent iodine that my dysbiosis got under control, and it was amazingly quick too! I tried all kinds of things, rotated and alternated anything antifungal that was recommended. I tried all kinds of probiotics as well. I found that Syntol AMD helped the greatest. It's got acid resistant flora plus strong enzymes. The results were symptomatic at best though, only worked as long as I was taking it, and it's expensive. It was all the RF that caused the imbalance I think... That's what worked for me... I'm with Lizzie... Gotta get the dysbiosis under control, and good flora is essential! Tim ________________________________ From: torch369 <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 9:52 AM Subject: [eSens] Re: Nutritional Balancing I'm not using the mercola probiotic because it has fos in it which I react to. fos is also a sugar derivative. I am currently taking Candex for possible candida Steve --- In [hidden email], Elizabeth thode <lizt777@...> wrote: > > And have you done candida treatments?Gut flora should be 80% good, 20% bad. And most everyone, and I mean that literally,has candida, which is actually fungal based, and isthe same as parasites. This treatment has to be done effectively, which meansusing high potencty antif fungals and probiotics. the anti fungals have to be alternated, using 2 to 3 diff't ones,and the cycle is 3 weeks on, one week off, for 3 mths....6 days on, 7th day off.... the reason being is that you have to kill the adults and the baby's...and much like a flea treatment or lice,there is a life cycle here. You can do one short treatment...and completely miss incoming generations.This is why most store bought candida treatments do not work. they aren't using potent anti fungals, not rotating them, and the scheduling isnot effective. And you have to "replace" constantly the bad guys being killed off, the bad flora,with potent probiotics, and the probiotics have to , HAVE to be able to survive inan acidic environment...which is what makes mercola's one of the best..... I used the essential oil blend "Melrose" from www.youngliving.comthis is a blend of tea trees and other oils, they are organic and hexane free...and the plants are properly harvested for high potency. I rotated using the Melrose, pure Oregano essential oil (north america makes a goood one)kyolic garlic oil, and I think grapeseed extract, and Myrrh essential oil, which is also veryhigh anti fungal. I used a similar protocal to the one below....using 3 diff't anti fungals for 3 days...FOUR times a day. then switching. So I think I used 7 diff't ones, including Pao D'Arco...but Pao has to be USED with herb mate tea! (this activates it)YOu can buy the raw tea bark for Pao and boil it, or buy it prepared. I had a schedule on my refrig, to help me DO this complicated treatment...and I did it on the above note sched, 6 days on, 1 day off, 3 weeks, then take a break...then go back on it. Very successful, but it does take committment.And one has to be very careful with not using crap ingredients....makes no sense to try to heal the body by adding in "more" toxic stuff. www.brainchildnutritionals.com/res/natural-candida-programCachedCandida is extremely adaptable. This means that it develops a resistance to almost anything it comes into contact with, by means of a mutation process called pleomorphism. The basic approach of this program is to use a single natural antifungal at a time, for just four days, then switch to another one, for the next four days, and so on, for a period of six weeks to six months, or longer if needed. The rotation of different natural formulas is designed to keep the candida "off balance" and not give it time to build up a resistance to any one of them. During the program, you will also use probiotics every day to help build good flora, enzymes to weaken the candida cell walls, and Cell Food to oxygenate the gut cells and support pH levels. > LizzieTo: [hidden email] > From: torch369@... > Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 14:44:13 +0000 > Subject: [eSens] Re: Nutritional Balancing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've been taking probiotics for years. Right now I'm taking Megaflora for Kids. For some reason it works better for me than the adult formula. > > Steve > > > > --- In [hidden email], Elizabeth thode <lizt777@> wrote: > > > > > > Just a note: thyroid has a lot to do with digestion.also...probiotics are a vital necessity with any good protocol.I take Mercola's probiotics and have taken them for years. 7 years ago, the list of foods I couldn't eat was way longer thenthe foods I could eat. Thyroid/adrenal and probiotics were the very first things I started.thyroid = metabolism. adrenals? all allergies will be traced to adrenals. Now there are still things I don't eat today, but those are any ingredientthat tends to be moldy or gluten, like: wheat/ corn/mushrooms, regular dairy. Lizzie > > > To: [hidden email] > > > From: torch369@ > > > Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 17:46:34 +0000 > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Nutritional Balancing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think I'd be able to do it but have a sensitive gut so I'll take them with food, either both with breakfast or adrenal cortex with breakfast and thyroid with lunch > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], Tim <timheierman@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, I've been taking both the thyroid and adrenal cortex first thing in the morning, then waiting a while to eat. I had been taking them with meals, but I get more benefit separately from meals. These glands work together, so if you have both adrenal and thyroid depletion, try taking the glandulars together. Of course, your own intuition is the best guide, so do what feels best, and experiment if needed. :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you are sensitive to stimulants like caffeine, chocolate, etc like me, then taking thyroid at bedtime might be a problem. I've heard folks who can do so, but not me... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > From: torch369 <torch369@> > > > > > > > To: [hidden email] > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 3:00 PM > > > > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Nutritional Balancing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Interesting. I've always read on the bottle to take it during the day and not after 3PM. I may have to try it during the day first to see if it's stimulating. > > > > > > > Maybe take adrenal cortex with breakfast and the thyroid with lunch. If it doesn't give me a rush I can then try it at bedtime. > > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "torch369" <torch369@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wow, great info, thank you. > > > > > > > > I'm surprised that taking thyroid at night wouldn't keep people awake since those with low thyroid tend to be tired and taking thyroid gives them energy. > > > > > > > > I will try it this way and see what happens.I will report back. > > > > > > > > Thanks for the info, > > > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "torch369" <torch369@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tried that, made me feel weird. > > > > > > > > > I'm currently usinf SP Drenatrophin, plus Nutrimed Adrenal cortex when I feel really bad. I find glandulars work better for me than herbs > > > > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], Patricia Robinett <patricia@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my roommate just started taking > > > > > > > > > > Adrenal Health from Gaia, which > > > > > > > > > > is a blend of herbs. > > > > > > > > > > she is totally sold on it for herself > > > > > > > > > > and her boyfriend. > > > > > > > > > > i also got a sample and am trying it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 23, 2013, at 4:51 PM, Marc Martin <marc@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Adrenal Cortex, from Allergy Research > > > > > > > > > > > Dessicated Adreanal from Nutri-Meds > > > > > > > > > > > Adrenal Desiccated from Standard Process > > > > > > > > > > > (plus others from Standard Process - Drenamin, Drenatrophin PMG) > > > > > > > > > > > Iso-Cort > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Changing over the subject since we've moved from Nutritional Balancing into glandulars... :-)
Thank you for clarifying this Lizzie! Steve, I'm curious how this unfolds for you. Please keep us posted. Tim ________________________________ From: Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]> To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 10:17 AM Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Nutritional Balancing the formula is: 3-4 days on the Adrenals first.. THEN add in the thyroid.Otherwise, the body cannot USE the thyroid hormnes,as the ADrenals "make" the hormones the body needsto properly metabolize/use the thyroid stuff.Sometimes it DOES matter the "order" of things...and this is a casewhere the right order absolutely does "matter".Also, some do better takign the thyroid before bedtime..others can take it, in the morning. LizzieTo: [hidden email] From: [hidden email] Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 14:50:08 +0000 Subject: [eSens] Re: Nutritional Balancing I actually take DGL from Now Foods (less crap in it). I took the thyroid yesterday afternoon and felt a little wired. I may have to wait until tomorrow to try it again because its a busy day at work today and I don't want to feel strange. Steve --- In [hidden email], Tim <timheierman@...> wrote: > > Ah, you remind me that in spite of my sensitivities, I seem to have an iron gut! :-) I can take zinc on an empty stomach and have no problems either... > > Yes, trust your intuition and your body! Let us know how it goes for you... If you still have troubles, consider taking DGL with these, as was recommended earlier... Enzymatic Therapy has a good one, sugar-free and it's really tasty too! iHerb or Vitacost has a good price on this... Get a chewable form though, as chewing enhances it's effectiveness. You can just let it slowly dissolve, like a "life saver". ;-) > > http://www.enzymatictherapy.com/Products/Digestion/Occasional-Heartburn-and-Indigestion/09021-DGL.aspx > > Tim > > > > > ________________________________ > From: torch369 <torch369@...> > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 12:46 PM > Subject: [eSens] Re: Nutritional Balancing > > > >  > I don't think I'd be able to do it but have a sensitive gut so I'll take them with food, either both with breakfast or adrenal cortex with breakfast and thyroid with lunch > Steve > > --- In [hidden email], Tim <timheierman@> wrote: > > > > Yeah, I've been taking both the thyroid and adrenal cortex first thing in the morning, then waiting a while to eat. I had been taking them with meals, but I get more benefit separately from meals. These glands work together, so if you have both adrenal and thyroid depletion, try taking the glandulars together. Of course, your own intuition is the best guide, so do what feels best, and experiment if needed. :-) > > > > If you are sensitive to stimulants like caffeine, chocolate, etc like me, then taking thyroid at bedtime might be a problem. I've heard folks who can do so, but not me... > > > > Tim > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: torch369 <torch369@> > > To: [hidden email] > > Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 3:00 PM > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Nutritional Balancing > > > > > > > >  > > Interesting. I've always read on the bottle to take it during the day and not after 3PM. I may have to try it during the day first to see if it's stimulating. > > Maybe take adrenal cortex with breakfast and the thyroid with lunch. If it doesn't give me a rush I can then try it at bedtime. > > Steve > > > > --- In [hidden email], "torch369" <torch369@> wrote: > > > > > > Wow, great info, thank you. > > > I'm surprised that taking thyroid at night wouldn't keep people awake since those with low thyroid tend to be tired and taking thyroid gives them energy. > > > I will try it this way and see what happens.I will report back. > > > Thanks for the info, > > > Steve > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "torch369" <torch369@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Tried that, made me feel weird. > > > > I'm currently usinf SP Drenatrophin, plus Nutrimed Adrenal cortex when I feel really bad. 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What makes nascent better, in my opinion, is this:the thyroid does not have to "do" any extra work to use it/metabolize it.The other types of Iodine, the thyroid has to do extra work. When the thyroid is already low and struggling, this puts an additional stresson this very vital gland.
Blessings, Lizzie To: [hidden email] From: [hidden email] Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 17:59:23 -0700 Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Nascent Iodine, was Nutritional Balancing Hi Laurie, I'm no expert on iodine by any means. :-) I'm just relaying my experiences, and others may chime in here... The main difference is that nascent is a pure atomic form, single iodine molecules with no salt attached (not easy to do and carries an energy charge). Lugol's is a solution of I2 (iodine bonded to another iodine molecule) and iodine stabilized by a salt, i.e. potassium iodide. The advantage of single iodine molecuels is that they are ready to go, quickly utilized and you generally don't need as much to be effective, reducing the chance of toxicity. Here's a good summary of iodine and some studies done: http://www.lewrockwell.com/miller/miller20.html Here's a good summary of the benefits and comparison of different forms of iodine. http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_iodine01.htm Tim ________________________________ From: Laurie Corbeil <[hidden email]> To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Nutritional Balancing Hi Tim, Could you tell me what the difference is between Lugol's and nascent iodine? I use Lugol's. Laurie ________________________________ From: Tim <[hidden email]> To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 9:25:19 AM Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Nutritional Balancing I'll throw my two cents in too... :-) I had uncontrollable candida problems when I was working around a lot of PCs, working right under a cell tower on the roof of our building too, and was around wifi all the time. Once I got away from all the RF, things improved somewhat, but it wasn't until I started taking nascent iodine that my dysbiosis got under control, and it was amazingly quick too! I tried all kinds of things, rotated and alternated anything antifungal that was recommended. I tried all kinds of probiotics as well. I found that Syntol AMD helped the greatest. It's got acid resistant flora plus strong enzymes. The results were symptomatic at best though, only worked as long as I was taking it, and it's expensive. It was all the RF that caused the imbalance I think... That's what worked for me... I'm with Lizzie... Gotta get the dysbiosis under control, and good flora is essential! Tim ________________________________ From: torch369 <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 9:52 AM Subject: [eSens] Re: Nutritional Balancing I'm not using the mercola probiotic because it has fos in it which I react to. fos is also a sugar derivative. I am currently taking Candex for possible candida Steve --- In [hidden email], Elizabeth thode <lizt777@...> wrote: > > And have you done candida treatments?Gut flora should be 80% good, 20% bad. And most everyone, and I mean that literally,has candida, which is actually fungal based, and isthe same as parasites. This treatment has to be done effectively, which meansusing high potencty antif fungals and probiotics. the anti fungals have to be alternated, using 2 to 3 diff't ones,and the cycle is 3 weeks on, one week off, for 3 mths....6 days on, 7th day off.... the reason being is that you have to kill the adults and the baby's...and much like a flea treatment or lice,there is a life cycle here. You can do one short treatment...and completely miss incoming generations.This is why most store bought candida treatments do not work. they aren't using potent anti fungals, not rotating them, and the scheduling isnot effective. And you have to "replace" constantly the bad guys being killed off, the bad flora,with potent probiotics, and the probiotics have to , HAVE to be able to survive inan acidic environment...which is what makes mercola's one of the best..... I used the essential oil blend "Melrose" from www.youngliving.comthis is a blend of tea trees and other oils, they are organic and hexane free...and the plants are properly harvested for high potency. I rotated using the Melrose, pure Oregano essential oil (north america makes a goood one)kyolic garlic oil, and I think grapeseed extract, and Myrrh essential oil, which is also veryhigh anti fungal. I used a similar protocal to the one below....using 3 diff't anti fungals for 3 days...FOUR times a day. then switching. So I think I used 7 diff't ones, including Pao D'Arco...but Pao has to be USED with herb mate tea! (this activates it)YOu can buy the raw tea bark for Pao and boil it, or buy it prepared. I had a schedule on my refrig, to help me DO this complicated treatment...and I did it on the above note sched, 6 days on, 1 day off, 3 weeks, then take a break...then go back on it. Very successful, but it does take committment.And one has to be very careful with not using crap ingredients....makes no sense to try to heal the body by adding in "more" toxic stuff. www.brainchildnutritionals.com/res/natural-candida-programCachedCandida is extremely adaptable. This means that it develops a resistance to almost anything it comes into contact with, by means of a mutation process called pleomorphism. The basic approach of this program is to use a single natural antifungal at a time, for just four days, then switch to another one, for the next four days, and so on, for a period of six weeks to six months, or longer if needed. The rotation of different natural formulas is designed to keep the candida "off balance" and not give it time to build up a resistance to any one of them. During the program, you will also use probiotics every day to help build good flora, enzymes to weaken the candida cell walls, and Cell Food to oxygenate the gut cells and support pH levels. > LizzieTo: [hidden email] > From: torch369@... > Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 14:44:13 +0000 > Subject: [eSens] Re: Nutritional Balancing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've been taking probiotics for years. Right now I'm taking Megaflora for Kids. For some reason it works better for me than the adult formula. > > Steve > > > > --- In [hidden email], Elizabeth thode <lizt777@> wrote: > > > > > > Just a note: thyroid has a lot to do with digestion.also...probiotics are a vital necessity with any good protocol.I take Mercola's probiotics and have taken them for years. 7 years ago, the list of foods I couldn't eat was way longer thenthe foods I could eat. Thyroid/adrenal and probiotics were the very first things I started.thyroid = metabolism. adrenals? all allergies will be traced to adrenals. Now there are still things I don't eat today, but those are any ingredientthat tends to be moldy or gluten, like: wheat/ corn/mushrooms, regular dairy. Lizzie > > > To: [hidden email] > > > From: torch369@ > > > Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 17:46:34 +0000 > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Nutritional Balancing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think I'd be able to do it but have a sensitive gut so I'll take them with food, either both with breakfast or adrenal cortex with breakfast and thyroid with lunch > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], Tim <timheierman@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, I've been taking both the thyroid and adrenal cortex first thing in the morning, then waiting a while to eat. I had been taking them with meals, but I get more benefit separately from meals. These glands work together, so if you have both adrenal and thyroid depletion, try taking the glandulars together. Of course, your own intuition is the best guide, so do what feels best, and experiment if needed. :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you are sensitive to stimulants like caffeine, chocolate, etc like me, then taking thyroid at bedtime might be a problem. I've heard folks who can do so, but not me... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > From: torch369 <torch369@> > > > > > > > To: [hidden email] > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 3:00 PM > > > > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Nutritional Balancing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Interesting. I've always read on the bottle to take it during the day and not after 3PM. I may have to try it during the day first to see if it's stimulating. > > > > > > > Maybe take adrenal cortex with breakfast and the thyroid with lunch. If it doesn't give me a rush I can then try it at bedtime. > > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "torch369" <torch369@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wow, great info, thank you. > > > > > > > > I'm surprised that taking thyroid at night wouldn't keep people awake since those with low thyroid tend to be tired and taking thyroid gives them energy. > > > > > > > > I will try it this way and see what happens.I will report back. > > > > > > > > Thanks for the info, > > > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "torch369" <torch369@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tried that, made me feel weird. > > > > > > > > > I'm currently usinf SP Drenatrophin, plus Nutrimed Adrenal cortex when I feel really bad. I find glandulars work better for me than herbs > > > > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], Patricia Robinett <patricia@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my roommate just started taking > > > > > > > > > > Adrenal Health from Gaia, which > > > > > > > > > > is a blend of herbs. > > > > > > > > > > she is totally sold on it for herself > > > > > > > > > > and her boyfriend. > > > > > > > > > > i also got a sample and am trying it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 23, 2013, at 4:51 PM, Marc Martin <marc@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Adrenal Cortex, from Allergy Research > > > > > > > > > > > Dessicated Adreanal from Nutri-Meds > > > > > > > > > > > Adrenal Desiccated from Standard Process > > > > > > > > > > > (plus others from Standard Process - Drenamin, Drenatrophin PMG) > > > > > > > > > > > Iso-Cort > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! 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Re: Adrenal Thyroid glandulars, was Nutritional Balancing
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Welcome.This is something I had to learn to "hard" way.And it was only after finding the info where ever I found it (?)that I came across a book and website, called: www.stopthethyroidmadness.comwhere thousands of people had the same experience.... either being put on thyroid meds from their doctors, or self diagnosing because the doctors said their thyroid was "fine" when it wasn't.... and the symptoms were pretty much all the same, in the cases where the adrenals were low....and the person tried the thyroid "only" and felt yucky. What happens is the thyroid builds up in the blood, unable to be metabolized, and the personcan't sleep, heart races, feel like crap, have lots of anxiety and extra energy, but its the "wrong" kind of energy! Lizzie
To: [hidden email] From: [hidden email] Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 18:04:36 -0700 Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Adrenal Thyroid glandulars, was Nutritional Balancing Changing over the subject since we've moved from Nutritional Balancing into glandulars... :-) Thank you for clarifying this Lizzie! Steve, I'm curious how this unfolds for you. Please keep us posted. Tim ________________________________ From: Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]> To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 10:17 AM Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Nutritional Balancing the formula is: 3-4 days on the Adrenals first.. THEN add in the thyroid.Otherwise, the body cannot USE the thyroid hormnes,as the ADrenals "make" the hormones the body needsto properly metabolize/use the thyroid stuff.Sometimes it DOES matter the "order" of things...and this is a casewhere the right order absolutely does "matter".Also, some do better takign the thyroid before bedtime..others can take it, in the morning. LizzieTo: [hidden email] From: [hidden email] Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 14:50:08 +0000 Subject: [eSens] Re: Nutritional Balancing I actually take DGL from Now Foods (less crap in it). I took the thyroid yesterday afternoon and felt a little wired. I may have to wait until tomorrow to try it again because its a busy day at work today and I don't want to feel strange. Steve --- In [hidden email], Tim <timheierman@...> wrote: > > Ah, you remind me that in spite of my sensitivities, I seem to have an iron gut! :-) I can take zinc on an empty stomach and have no problems either... > > Yes, trust your intuition and your body! Let us know how it goes for you... If you still have troubles, consider taking DGL with these, as was recommended earlier... Enzymatic Therapy has a good one, sugar-free and it's really tasty too! iHerb or Vitacost has a good price on this... Get a chewable form though, as chewing enhances it's effectiveness. You can just let it slowly dissolve, like a "life saver". ;-) > > http://www.enzymatictherapy.com/Products/Digestion/Occasional-Heartburn-and-Indigestion/09021-DGL.aspx > > Tim > > > > > ________________________________ > From: torch369 <torch369@...> > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 12:46 PM > Subject: [eSens] Re: Nutritional Balancing > > > >  > I don't think I'd be able to do it but have a sensitive gut so I'll take them with food, either both with breakfast or adrenal cortex with breakfast and thyroid with lunch > Steve > > --- In [hidden email], Tim <timheierman@> wrote: > > > > Yeah, I've been taking both the thyroid and adrenal cortex first thing in the morning, then waiting a while to eat. I had been taking them with meals, but I get more benefit separately from meals.àThese glands work together, so if you have both adrenal and thyroid depletion, try taking the glandulars together. Of course, your own intuition is the best guide, so do what feels best, and experiment if needed.à:-) > > > > If you are sensitive to stimulants like caffeine, chocolate, etc like me, then taking thyroid at bedtime might be a problem. I've heard folks who can do so, but not me... > > > > Tim > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: torch369 <torch369@> > > To: [hidden email] > > Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 3:00 PM > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Nutritional Balancing > > > > > > > > à> > Interesting. I've always read on the bottle to take it during the day and not after 3PM. I may have to try it during the day first to see if it's stimulating. > > Maybe take adrenal cortex with breakfast and the thyroid with lunch. If it doesn't give me a rush I can then try it at bedtime. > > Steve > > > > --- In [hidden email], "torch369" <torch369@> wrote: > > > > > > Wow, great info, thank you. > > > I'm surprised that taking thyroid at night wouldn't keep people awake since those with low thyroid tend to be tired and taking thyroid gives them energy. > > > I will try it this way and see what happens.I will report back. > > > Thanks for the info, > > > Steve > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "torch369" <torch369@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Tried that, made me feel weird. > > > > I'm currently usinf SP Drenatrophin, plus Nutrimed Adrenal cortex when I feel really bad. I find glandulars work better for me than herbs > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], Patricia Robinett <patricia@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > my roommate just started taking > > > > > Adrenal Health from Gaia, which > > > > > is a blend of herbs. > > > > > she is totally sold on it for herself > > > > > and her boyfriend. > > > > > i also got a sample and am trying it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 23, 2013, at 4:51 PM, Marc Martin <marc@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Adrenal Cortex, from Allergy Research > > > > > > Dessicated Adreanal from Nutri-Meds > > > > > > Adrenal Desiccated from Standard Process > > > > > > (plus others from Standard Process - Drenamin, Drenatrophin PMG) > > > > > > Iso-Cort > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! 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wow, tim! great information!
THANK YOU! love, patricia On Apr 27, 2013, at 8:59 PM, Tim <[hidden email]> wrote: > I'm no expert on iodine by any means. :-) I'm just relaying my experiences, and others may chime in here... The main difference is that nascent is a pure atomic form, single iodine molecules with no salt attached (not easy to do and carries an energy charge). Lugol's is a solution of I2 (iodine bonded to another iodine molecule) and iodine stabilized by a salt, i.e. potassium iodide. > > > The advantage of single iodine molecuels is that they are ready to go, quickly utilized and you generally don't need as much to be effective, reducing the chance of toxicity. > > > Here's a good summary of iodine and some studies done: > > http://www.lewrockwell.com/miller/miller20.html > > > Here's a good summary of the benefits and comparison of different forms of iodine. > http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_iodine01.htm |
Re: Nascent Iodine, was Nutritional Balancing
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Thanks kindly, Tim, for that explanation!
Sincerely, Laurie ________________________________ From: Tim <[hidden email]> To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 5:59:23 PM Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Nascent Iodine, was Nutritional Balancing Hi Laurie, I'm no expert on iodine by any means. :-) I'm just relaying my experiences, and others may chime in here... The main difference is that nascent is a pure atomic form, single iodine molecules with no salt attached (not easy to do and carries an energy charge). Lugol's is a solution of I2 (iodine bonded to another iodine molecule) and iodine stabilized by a salt, i.e. potassium iodide. The advantage of single iodine molecuels is that they are ready to go, quickly utilized and you generally don't need as much to be effective, reducing the chance of toxicity. Here's a good summary of iodine and some studies done: http://www.lewrockwell.com/miller/miller20.html Here's a good summary of the benefits and comparison of different forms of iodine. http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_iodine01.htm Tim ________________________________ From: Laurie Corbeil <[hidden email]> To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Nutritional Balancing Hi Tim, Could you tell me what the difference is between Lugol's and nascent iodine? I use Lugol's. Laurie ________________________________ From: Tim <[hidden email]> To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 9:25:19 AM Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Nutritional Balancing I'll throw my two cents in too... :-) I had uncontrollable candida problems when I was working around a lot of PCs, working right under a cell tower on the roof of our building too, and was around wifi all the time. Once I got away from all the RF, things improved somewhat, but it wasn't until I started taking nascent iodine that my dysbiosis got under control, and it was amazingly quick too! I tried all kinds of things, rotated and alternated anything antifungal that was recommended. I tried all kinds of probiotics as well. I found that Syntol AMD helped the greatest. It's got acid resistant flora plus strong enzymes. The results were symptomatic at best though, only worked as long as I was taking it, and it's expensive. It was all the RF that caused the imbalance I think... That's what worked for me... I'm with Lizzie... Gotta get the dysbiosis under control, and good flora is essential! Tim ________________________________ From: torch369 <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 9:52 AM Subject: [eSens] Re: Nutritional Balancing I'm not using the mercola probiotic because it has fos in it which I react to. fos is also a sugar derivative. I am currently taking Candex for possible candida Steve --- In [hidden email], Elizabeth thode <lizt777@...> wrote: > > And have you done candida treatments?Gut flora should be 80% good, 20% bad. And most everyone, and I mean that literally,has candida, which is actually fungal based, and isthe same as parasites. This treatment has to be done effectively, which meansusing high potencty antif fungals and probiotics. the anti fungals have to be alternated, using 2 to 3 diff't ones,and the cycle is 3 weeks on, one week off, for 3 mths....6 days on, 7th day off.... the reason being is that you have to kill the adults and the baby's...and much like a flea treatment or lice,there is a life cycle here. You can do one short treatment...and completely miss incoming generations.This is why most store bought candida treatments do not work. they aren't using potent anti fungals, not rotating them, and the scheduling isnot effective. And you have to "replace" constantly the bad guys being killed off, the bad flora,with potent probiotics, and the probiotics have to , HAVE to be able to survive inan acidic environment...which is what makes mercola's one of the best..... I used the essential oil blend "Melrose" from www.youngliving.comthis is a blend of tea trees and other oils, they are organic and hexane free...and the plants are properly harvested for high potency. I rotated using the Melrose, pure Oregano essential oil (north america makes a goood one)kyolic garlic oil, and I think grapeseed extract, and Myrrh essential oil, which is also veryhigh anti fungal. I used a similar protocal to the one below....using 3 diff't anti fungals for 3 days...FOUR times a day. then switching. So I think I used 7 diff't ones, including Pao D'Arco...but Pao has to be USED with herb mate tea! (this activates it)YOu can buy the raw tea bark for Pao and boil it, or buy it prepared. I had a schedule on my refrig, to help me DO this complicated treatment...and I did it on the above note sched, 6 days on, 1 day off, 3 weeks, then take a break...then go back on it. Very successful, but it does take committment.And one has to be very careful with not using crap ingredients....makes no sense to try to heal the body by adding in "more" toxic stuff. www.brainchildnutritionals.com/res/natural-candida-programCachedCandida is extremely adaptable. This means that it develops a resistance to almost anything it comes into contact with, by means of a mutation process called pleomorphism. The basic approach of this program is to use a single natural antifungal at a time, for just four days, then switch to another one, for the next four days, and so on, for a period of six weeks to six months, or longer if needed. The rotation of different natural formulas is designed to keep the candida "off balance" and not give it time to build up a resistance to any one of them. During the program, you will also use probiotics every day to help build good flora, enzymes to weaken the candida cell walls, and Cell Food to oxygenate the gut cells and support pH levels. > LizzieTo: [hidden email] > From: torch369@... > Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 14:44:13 +0000 > Subject: [eSens] Re: Nutritional Balancing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've been taking probiotics for years. Right now I'm taking Megaflora for Kids. For some reason it works better for me than the adult formula. > > Steve > > > > --- In [hidden email], Elizabeth thode <lizt777@> wrote: > > > > > > Just a note: thyroid has a lot to do with digestion.also...probiotics are a vital necessity with any good protocol.I take Mercola's probiotics and have taken them for years. 7 years ago, the list of foods I couldn't eat was way longer thenthe foods I could eat. Thyroid/adrenal and probiotics were the very first things I started.thyroid = metabolism. adrenals? all allergies will be traced to adrenals. Now there are still things I don't eat today, but those are any ingredientthat tends to be moldy or gluten, like: wheat/ corn/mushrooms, regular dairy. Lizzie > > > To: [hidden email] > > > From: torch369@ > > > Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 17:46:34 +0000 > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Nutritional Balancing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think I'd be able to do it but have a sensitive gut so I'll take them with food, either both with breakfast or adrenal cortex with breakfast and thyroid with lunch > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], Tim <timheierman@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, I've been taking both the thyroid and adrenal cortex first thing in the morning, then waiting a while to eat. I had been taking them with meals, but I get more benefit separately from meals. These glands work together, so if you have both adrenal and thyroid depletion, try taking the glandulars together. Of course, your own intuition is the best guide, so do what feels best, and experiment if needed. :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you are sensitive to stimulants like caffeine, chocolate, etc like me, then taking thyroid at bedtime might be a problem. I've heard folks who can do so, but not me... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > From: torch369 <torch369@> > > > > > > > To: [hidden email] > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 3:00 PM > > > > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Nutritional Balancing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Interesting. I've always read on the bottle to take it during the day and not after 3PM. I may have to try it during the day first to see if it's stimulating. > > > > > > > Maybe take adrenal cortex with breakfast and the thyroid with lunch. If it doesn't give me a rush I can then try it at bedtime. > > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "torch369" <torch369@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wow, great info, thank you. > > > > > > > > I'm surprised that taking thyroid at night wouldn't keep people awake since those with low thyroid tend to be tired and taking thyroid gives them energy. > > > > > > > > I will try it this way and see what happens.I will report back. > > > > > > > > Thanks for the info, > > > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "torch369" <torch369@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tried that, made me feel weird. > > > > > > > > > I'm currently usinf SP Drenatrophin, plus Nutrimed Adrenal cortex when I feel really bad. I find glandulars work better for me than herbs > > > > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], Patricia Robinett <patricia@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my roommate just started taking > > > > > > > > > > Adrenal Health from Gaia, which > > > > > > > > > > is a blend of herbs. > > > > > > > > > > she is totally sold on it for herself > > > > > > > > > > and her boyfriend. > > > > > > > > > > i also got a sample and am trying it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 23, 2013, at 4:51 PM, Marc Martin <marc@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Adrenal Cortex, from Allergy Research > > > > > > > > > > > Dessicated Adreanal from Nutri-Meds > > > > > > > > > > > Adrenal Desiccated from Standard Process > > > > > > > > > > > (plus others from Standard Process - Drenamin, Drenatrophin PMG) > > > > > > > > > > > Iso-Cort > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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I have the Nutamed like you have. I can try emptying out half the powder like you say.
Steve --- In [hidden email], Tim <timheierman@...> wrote: > > Yeah, I take some Now Foods products as well, but I've found their quality control is sometimes lacking. I find that of Swanson as well... I ordered some non-GMO lecithin from Swanson's not long ago and found plastic bits inside, not related to the packaging. > > > The first day I took thyroid I had a racing heart, felt a tremendous energy burst, and began having trouble sleeping, taking one cap (Nutri-meds 130mg) in the morning. I cut back to 1/2 a cap and felt benefits without side effects. So it might be natural to feel a surge when you've had a lower thyroid, but you may need to adjust the dose. It's great to get clear feedback from your body when something works! > > > You should see your morning basal temp come up too. I'm back to normal temps in the morning after a week or two of thyroid. If your basal temp becomes higher than normal or you feel wired or sleepless, then you may need to cut back on the thyroid or try spreading it out in a couple of doses, eh? > > > If your thyroid is a tablet, get one of those nifty tablet cutters. It's the best 88 cent purchase I've made! :-) > > > Tim > > > > > ________________________________ > From: torch369 <torch369@...> > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 9:50 AM > Subject: [eSens] Re: Nutritional Balancing > > > >  > I actually take DGL from Now Foods (less crap in it). > I took the thyroid yesterday afternoon and felt a little wired. I may have to wait until tomorrow to try it again because its a busy day at work today and I don't want to feel strange. > Steve > |
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I had been on a different brand of adrenal for a long time before going back on the cortex. I'll try the thyroid again hald dose in a few days.
Steve --- In [hidden email], Elizabeth thode <lizt777@...> wrote: > > the formula is: 3-4 days on the Adrenals first.. > THEN add in the thyroid.Otherwise, the body cannot USE the thyroid hormnes,as the ADrenals "make" the hormones the body needsto properly metabolize/use the thyroid stuff.Sometimes it DOES matter the "order" of things...and this is a casewhere the right order absolutely does "matter".Also, some do better takign the thyroid before bedtime..others can take it, in the morning. LizzieTo: [hidden email] > From: torch369@... > Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 14:50:08 +0000 > Subject: [eSens] Re: Nutritional Balancing > |
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I will, I'll keep you updated.
Thanks, Steve --- In [hidden email], Tim <timheierman@...> wrote: > > Changing over the subject since we've moved from Nutritional Balancing into glandulars... :-) > > > Thank you for clarifying this Lizzie!  > > Steve, I'm curious how this unfolds for you. Please keep us posted. > > > Tim > |
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As you don't mention the exact adrenal product,I can't pull up the product to see what the actual ingredients are. What I can tell you is this:it is the "cortex" in the raw adrenal cortex from nutri-medsthat makes the difference. I have known many who have taken other adrenal products; some ofthese even said on the label, adrenal cortex, but in the fine print on theback of the bottle, it said "tissue", that the product contained NO actualcortex! It is the "cortex" that the adrenals manufacture and run on. The tissue, from what I've seen, experienced, and gotten feed back on,does very little, if nothing. And quite a few of the adrenal products people have told me they tried, were "blended/propietary" products, some containing B vitamins, somewith other herbs. What was particularly telling to me, was the feedback I got from so many people, who tried the adrenal cortex plus and reported big progress. This includes both those who were on another adrenal product, and those who were not. Lizzie
To: [hidden email] From: [hidden email] Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 02:51:23 +0000 Subject: [eSens] Re: Nutritional Balancing I had been on a different brand of adrenal for a long time before going back on the cortex. I'll try the thyroid again hald dose in a few days. Steve --- In [hidden email], Elizabeth thode <lizt777@...> wrote: > > the formula is: 3-4 days on the Adrenals first.. > THEN add in the thyroid.Otherwise, the body cannot USE the thyroid hormnes,as the ADrenals "make" the hormones the body needsto properly metabolize/use the thyroid stuff.Sometimes it DOES matter the "order" of things...and this is a casewhere the right order absolutely does "matter".Also, some do better takign the thyroid before bedtime..others can take it, in the morning. LizzieTo: [hidden email] > From: torch369@... > Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 14:50:08 +0000 > Subject: [eSens] Re: Nutritional Balancing > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Boy, this is a good point Lizzie. I had been taking adrenal for quite some time before adding the thyroid, and I bet if I had started with just the thyroid, I would have had a much stronger reaction! It could have been very unbalancing.
I fall in the category where I have thyroid symptoms but doctors kept saying my thyroid was fine. :-) Tim ________________________________ From: Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]> To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 8:28 PM Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Adrenal Thyroid glandulars, was Nutritional Balancing Welcome.This is something I had to learn to "hard" way.And it was only after finding the info where ever I found it (?)that I came across a book and website, called: www.stopthethyroidmadness.comwhere thousands of people had the same experience.... either being put on thyroid meds from their doctors, or self diagnosing because the doctors said their thyroid was "fine" when it wasn't.... and the symptoms were pretty much all the same, in the cases where the adrenals were low....and the person tried the thyroid "only" and felt yucky. What happens is the thyroid builds up in the blood, unable to be metabolized, and the personcan't sleep, heart races, feel like crap, have lots of anxiety and extra energy, but its the "wrong" kind of energy! Lizzie To: [hidden email] From: [hidden email] Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 18:04:36 -0700 Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Adrenal Thyroid glandulars, was Nutritional Balancing Changing over the subject since we've moved from Nutritional Balancing into glandulars... :-) Thank you for clarifying this Lizzie! Steve, I'm curious how this unfolds for you. Please keep us posted. Tim ________________________________ From: Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]> To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 10:17 AM Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Nutritional Balancing the formula is: 3-4 days on the Adrenals first.. THEN add in the thyroid.Otherwise, the body cannot USE the thyroid hormnes,as the ADrenals "make" the hormones the body needsto properly metabolize/use the thyroid stuff.Sometimes it DOES matter the "order" of things...and this is a casewhere the right order absolutely does "matter".Also, some do better takign the thyroid before bedtime..others can take it, in the morning. LizzieTo: [hidden email] From: [hidden email] Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2013 14:50:08 +0000 Subject: [eSens] Re: Nutritional Balancing I actually take DGL from Now Foods (less crap in it). I took the thyroid yesterday afternoon and felt a little wired. I may have to wait until tomorrow to try it again because its a busy day at work today and I don't want to feel strange. Steve --- In [hidden email], Tim <timheierman@...> wrote: > > Ah, you remind me that in spite of my sensitivities, I seem to have an iron gut! :-) I can take zinc on an empty stomach and have no problems either... > > Yes, trust your intuition and your body! Let us know how it goes for you... If you still have troubles, consider taking DGL with these, as was recommended earlier... Enzymatic Therapy has a good one, sugar-free and it's really tasty too! iHerb or Vitacost has a good price on this... Get a chewable form though, as chewing enhances it's effectiveness. You can just let it slowly dissolve, like a "life saver". ;-) > > http://www.enzymatictherapy.com/Products/Digestion/Occasional-Heartburn-and-Indigestion/09021-DGL.aspx > > Tim > > > > > ________________________________ > From: torch369 <torch369@...> > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 12:46 PM > Subject: [eSens] Re: Nutritional Balancing > > > >  > I don't think I'd be able to do it but have a sensitive gut so I'll take them with food, either both with breakfast or adrenal cortex with breakfast and thyroid with lunch > Steve > > --- In [hidden email], Tim <timheierman@> wrote: > > > > Yeah, I've been taking both the thyroid and adrenal cortex first thing in the morning, then waiting a while to eat. I had been taking them with meals, but I get more benefit separately from meals. These glands work together, so if you have both adrenal and thyroid depletion, try taking the glandulars together. Of course, your own intuition is the best guide, so do what feels best, and experiment if needed. :-) > > > > If you are sensitive to stimulants like caffeine, chocolate, etc like me, then taking thyroid at bedtime might be a problem. I've heard folks who can do so, but not me... > > > > Tim > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: torch369 <torch369@> > > To: [hidden email] > > Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 3:00 PM > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Nutritional Balancing > > > > > > > >  > > Interesting. I've always read on the bottle to take it during the day and not after 3PM. I may have to try it during the day first to see if it's stimulating. > > Maybe take adrenal cortex with breakfast and the thyroid with lunch. If it doesn't give me a rush I can then try it at bedtime. > > Steve > > > > --- In [hidden email], "torch369" <torch369@> wrote: > > > > > > Wow, great info, thank you. > > > I'm surprised that taking thyroid at night wouldn't keep people awake since those with low thyroid tend to be tired and taking thyroid gives them energy. > > > I will try it this way and see what happens.I will report back. > > > Thanks for the info, > > > Steve > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "torch369" <torch369@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Tried that, made me feel weird. > > > > I'm currently usinf SP Drenatrophin, plus Nutrimed Adrenal cortex when I feel really bad. 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