NutrEval test anyone?

Another test I was told by a naturopath, (but had been considering
doing this test for a while now) which is very useful, called
NutrEval. It looks at " 1) amino acid analysis, 2) essential and
metabolic fatty acids, 3) organic acids, 4) oxidative stress and
glutathione, and 5) elemental analysis. At the time that Genova put
together the NutrEval, I was routinely ordering the first 4 of those 5
tests, and the good news was that they put 5 tests into one box." It
looks at other toxins, such as mercury, aluminum, and more.

Furthermore, it has 200 subset tests looking at nutritional status,
risk disease, and functional need for nutritional co-factors.

The NutrEval tells us about your need for: amino acids, essential
fatty acids, and vitamin and mineral cofactors. To put it another way,
these 200 sub-tests tell me what is wrong with my patient from a
nutritional/metabolic standpoint and which specific nutrients will
help them regain health, energy, and vitality.

See this url:
http://www.lightconnection.us/Archive/sept08/sep08_colums.htm

A few years ago, my friend's cousin developed schizophrenia. He also
went went psychotic. I told her to explain to his parents, that
instead of putting him in a psychiatric institution, they should
contact a psychiatrist using orthomolecullar medicine, or a
neuroscientist/naturopath.

He was taken out of the psychiatric unit, weaned off all his meds,
consulted a doctor using only nutrition and vits and supps etc..

Through diet, supplements and vitamins, he is cured. He has not been
on meds for over a year, and is doing his Ph.D in biomollecular
medicine, in Paris. He is healthy and is not showing any signs of
dysfunctional behavour in response to abnormal circumstances such as
stress, or challenges.

The point here, is that, again and again, there is evidence, that
nutrients are key to diSease and illness, and that all illnesses are
biological, even, so called, "mental illnesses." Finding the key
nutrients, or blockage in methylation, and facilitating detox
pathways, are all crucial part of the process.

He is not the only person, I know personally, who chose this pathway
towards recovery, successfully. There are quite a few others.

Any input?? :) The downside to the test, is that it is prohibitively
expensive. I found two labs so far, and prices are more or less similar.

Sounds very interesting. I too would like to know if anyone has
experience or thoughts about this. I was recently wondering about
such a test myself.

R.

> Sounds very interesting. I too would like to know if anyone has
> experience or thoughts about this.

I've had a lot of health tests done on me over the years, and
I can't really say that any of them were worth the money I
paid for them. The results may be interesting, and they may
put you at ease by eliminating the possibility of some
common health problems, but it doesn't seem like any
of these tests actually contributed much to subsequently
improving my health.

Now, that all said, I just had a few vials of blood taken
today for some immune system and Vitamin D level testing... :-)

Marc

Hi, Rticle and Furst,
 
This sounds like a good evaluation tool.  Genova has been a good diagnostic company.  My doctor had me order testing from them years and years ago, when they went by another name--"Great Smokies Lab" or something like that.  I know alot of gluten intolerants who order their tests and are happywith the results, so I recommend them as a company.  I did not go to thesite to check out the price, but pretty much (in the past when I did deal with them), found they are as economical as you are likely to find.  I felt I saved alot of money using them, rather than going thru regular medicalchannels.  When I got the test results, they did not interpret them--just wanted you to know that incase you were counting on them spelling everything out for you.  Unless this has changed, you might need a nutritionist or alternative care doc to help you figure out what all the test results mean.  (Tho many are straight forward.)  I had my initial mercury testing
from them.  The test came back very low for mercury, tho now my homeopath is saying I am chock full of mercury!  Hmmm....  (Someone is wrong and it is, unfortunately, probably the test.)  So, know there are gaffs in testing that might skew results.  Marc or someone else here at the forum explained what the problem probably was a year or 2 ago, but I since have forgotten.  Marc, do you remember why you told us mercury testing isn't always accurate?  Was it that the test was a blood test and my mercury had already settled in my organs/fat cells???
 
That said, the other tests will probably be spot on.  I got my candida/bacterial/parasite testing from them.  This proved to be accurate.
 
My 2 cents,
Diane

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Subject: [eSens] NutrEval test anyone?
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 1:33 PM






Another test I was told by a naturopath, (but had been considering
doing this test for a while now) which is very useful, called
NutrEval. It looks at " 1) amino acid analysis, 2) essential and
metabolic fatty acids, 3) organic acids, 4) oxidative stress and
glutathione, and 5) elemental analysis. At the time that Genova put
together the NutrEval, I was routinely ordering the first 4 of those 5
tests, and the good news was that they put 5 tests into one box." It
looks at other toxins, such as mercury, aluminum, and more.

Furthermore, it has 200 subset tests looking at nutritional status,
risk disease, and functional need for nutritional co-factors.

The NutrEval tells us about your need for: amino acids, essential
fatty acids, and vitamin and mineral cofactors. To put it another way,
these 200 sub-tests tell me what is wrong with my patient from a
nutritional/ metabolic standpoint and which specific nutrients will
help them regain health, energy, and vitality.

See this url:
http://www.lightcon nection.us/ Archive/sept08/ sep08_colums. htm

A few years ago, my friend's cousin developed schizophrenia. He also
went went psychotic. I told her to explain to his parents, that
instead of putting him in a psychiatric institution, they should
contact a psychiatrist using orthomolecullar medicine, or a
neuroscientist/ naturopath.

He was taken out of the psychiatric unit, weaned off all his meds,
consulted a doctor using only nutrition and vits and supps etc..

Through diet, supplements and vitamins, he is cured. He has not been
on meds for over a year, and is doing his Ph.D in biomollecular
medicine, in Paris. He is healthy and is not showing any signs of
dysfunctional behavour in response to abnormal circumstances such as
stress, or challenges.

The point here, is that, again and again, there is evidence, that
nutrients are key to diSease and illness, and that all illnesses are
biological, even, so called, "mental illnesses." Finding the key
nutrients, or blockage in methylation, and facilitating detox
pathways, are all crucial part of the process.

He is not the only person, I know personally, who chose this pathway
towards recovery, successfully. There are quite a few others.

Any input?? :) The downside to the test, is that it is prohibitively
expensive. I found two labs so far, and prices are more or less similar.

 














     

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> Marc or someone else here at
> the forum explained what the problem probably was a year or 2 ago, but I
> since have forgotten. Marc, do you remember why you told us mercury
> testing isn't always accurate? Was it that the test was a blood test
> and my mercury had already settled in my organs/fat cells???

Often, tests for mercury is done with hair samples, which doesn't
really tell you if your organs, nervous system, etc. have too much
mercury. Mercury tends to accumulate in fatty tissues, not the
hair.

Also, if one has high mercury levels in the hair, that may simply
be an indicator that the body is effectively getting rid of it.
And zero mercury in the hair may mean that the body is holding
onto it.

It seems that many health tests can give misleading (or just
plain wrong) results, so one has to watch out for that. So
don't discount something simply because some test has ruled
it out -- the test itself may be flawed in some way.

Marc

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Now, that all said, I just had a few vials of blood taken
today for some immune system and Vitamin D level testing... :-)

Ooh, do get back to us, esp. about the vit. D levels.
Amy


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>>Now, that all said, I just had a few vials of blood taken
>>today for some immune system and Vitamin D level testing... :-)
>
> Ooh, do get back to us, esp. about the vit. D levels.

Okay, I got my blood tests back -- my Vitamin D levels
were in the acceptable range, but they were at the
very bottom of the acceptable range. And I had been
taking Vitamin D3 tablets for the last several
months (400% of the RDA = 1600 IU).

Immune testing showed that I am more likely to get
sick, and will stay sick longer than a normal
person. Heck, I could have told them that
and saved money on the test... :-)

Marc

That's interesting. Do you get any UV light during the day?

Bill

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> That's interesting. Do you get any UV light during the day?

Not in Washington state, in the winter time... :-)

Marc

How can they possibly be in the bottom range of acceptable if you've been
taking that much Vit. D for months??
How much did the test cost? I'm assuming insurance didn't cover it?
Thanks for getting back to us about it Marc!
Amy


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Okay, I got my blood tests back -- my Vitamin D levels
were in the acceptable range, but they were at the
very bottom of the acceptable range. And I had been
taking Vitamin D3 tablets for the last several
months (400% of the RDA = 1600 IU).

Immune testing showed that I am more likely to get
sick, and will stay sick longer than a normal
person. Heck, I could have told them that
and saved money on the test... :-)

Marc



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> How can they possibly be in the bottom range of acceptable if you've
> been taking that much Vit. D for months??

I assume that I was below the acceptable range before taking it --
either that or I'm not absorbing it. Also, 1600 IU isn't really a
lot of Vitamin D per day, as I see some doctors recommending
3000 - 5000 IU per day. But when I tried that much I didn't
feel good (very sensitive, you know...)

> How much did the test cost? I'm assuming insurance didn't cover it?

I had a chiropractor order the test, so no, insurance didn't cover it.
I think the test was pretty cheap though... less than $20 I bet. It
was my idea to test Vitamin D, since it seems to be getting a lot
of media coverage these days...

Marc

If one's gut or digestive system is not working properly, oral
supplementation of all sorts of vitamins and nutrients even at high levels
may be ineffective because they simply do not get out of the gut into the
bloodstream.

To quote Sue's case (as usual) - her magnesium and glutathione levels, and
various other items, were desperately low despite long-term oral
supplementation, and she tested positive for leaky gut syndrome.
Intravenous infusions were the only way that the levels could be got up. As
her liver function has improved, she has been able to take a wider range of
medication without side effects. In the last few months she has been taking
special digestive enzymes and phosphatidyl choline, which she could not
tolerate before. These in turn seem to have improved her digestion
capability and gut integrity, such that oral supplementation with reduced
glutathione and magnesium sulphate (Epsom salts) now appear to be working
and she has not needed infusions for 3 months. She is also beginning to be
able to eat dairy products and chocolate again in moderation - first time
for 4 years that this has not given noticeable side effects.

Ian

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How can they possibly be in the bottom range of acceptable if you've been
taking that much Vit. D for months??
How much did the test cost? I'm assuming insurance didn't cover it?
Thanks for getting back to us about it Marc!
Amy


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Okay, I got my blood tests back -- my Vitamin D levels
were in the acceptable range, but they were at the
very bottom of the acceptable range. And I had been
taking Vitamin D3 tablets for the last several
months (400% of the RDA = 1600 IU).

Immune testing showed that I am more likely to get
sick, and will stay sick longer than a normal
person. Heck, I could have told them that
and saved money on the test... :-)

Marc

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I've been taking the Vit D for a long time & my lab tests show it very low also. We just have trouble metablolizing thest things. Loni

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>>Now, that all said, I just had a few vials of blood taken
>>today for some immune system and Vitamin D level testing... :-)
>
> Ooh, do get back to us, esp. about the vit. D levels.

Okay, I got my blood tests back -- my Vitamin D levels
were in the acceptable range, but they were at the
very bottom of the acceptable range. And I had been
taking Vitamin D3 tablets for the last several
months (400% of the RDA = 1600 IU).

Immune testing showed that I am more likely to get
sick, and will stay sick longer than a normal
person. Heck, I could have told them that
and saved money on the test... :-)

Marc
 














     

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> I've been taking the Vit D for a long time & my lab tests show it very
> low also.

And Loni lives in Arizona!

Marc

Good Point Marc! Yikes. Loni

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> I've been taking the Vit D for a long time & my lab tests show it very
> low also.

And Loni lives in Arizona!

Marc
 














     

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