No-metal bed

Hello, been a while since I last posted. Have a question for the
group about no-metal beds. Has anyone here had direct
experience with the effect of no-metal beds on their ES
symptoms?

We are looking at replacing our (perfectly good, and very
expensive) innerspring setup for a zero-metal model (even the
platform will have wooden dowels instead of nails, screws or
staples). The cost is almost US$2000. Has anyone in the group
made this switch and would you say you experienced $2000
worth of benefit? Interested in real experience (vs. theory).
Thanks.

Cara

Cara!

Glad to hear that you're still with us... :-)

I can give a testimonial on NOT changing your metal
bed. I've got the same metal frame and metal boxsprings
that I've had for the past 5 years. As long as I have
an EMF protection device nearby when I sleep, I seem
to have a nice restful sleep and wake up reinvigorated.

Of course, at some point I'll probably switch to one
of those magic-foam beds with a wooden frame, but we're
in no hurry...

Marc

Thanks Marc! Some medical misadventures since I was active
here last. Am now exhibiting ES symptoms myself (previously my
husband was the only e-sensitive in our household). I'm now
fried by computer contact. Even metal jewelry is bothering me
these days; that's why I thought it might be time to get rid of the
metal bed.

To those in the group who have recommended non-metal beds
-- is this recommendation based on experience or theory?
Unlike Marc, my husband and I have NOT had more restful sleep
from having a Springlife Polarizer or Quantum Powerstrip nearby.
So we're exploring other options. Willing to spend the (gulp) $$$
on the new bed if there's a realistic chance it might make a
difference. Would love to hear first hand accounts.

Cara

--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@u...>
wrote:

> I can give a testimonial on NOT changing your metal
> bed. I've got the same metal frame and metal boxsprings
> that I've had for the past 5 years. As long as I have
> an EMF protection device nearby when I sleep, I seem
> to have a nice restful sleep and wake up reinvigorated.
>
> Marc

Metal parts on beds can become static magnetic.
Therefore I do recommend a complete wooden bed.

We have experienced ourselves, that even metal carriers for the wooden beds
can be a pest.
Replacing them by a wood construction, resolved heart pains and cramps in
the legs.

Every electrosensible person may react differently from another.

There are things from which Marc benefits but others not.
And there are things that others like very much and which bother Marc.

I also want to point that this book *Amalgam Illness* by Andrew Cutler is
very good.
A must-have.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Cara" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 23:05
Subject: [eSens] Re: No-metal bed

> Thanks Marc! Some medical misadventures since I was active
> here last. Am now exhibiting ES symptoms myself (previously my
> husband was the only e-sensitive in our household).

Hmmm, two ES folks in the same household... seems like an
indicator that there's something really bad about where
you live.

Have you tried sleeping on the couch, or on the floor,
or anywhere away from metal and see if that makes
a difference?

Sorry to hear the EMF protection devices aren't working
for this... some folks here have reported some good
results with Graham Stetzer filters, which are also
costly, but nowhere near $2000.

Marc

Marc wrote:
> Hmmm, two ES folks in the same household... seems like an
> indicator that there's something really bad about where
> you live.

No kidding, Marc. I'm sure there's something rotten going on
here, I'm sure of it. I only wish I could accurately gauge the
relative safety of our relocation options. The problem could be
county-wide, for all I know. Or it could be even more widespread.
I just saw a headline a few days ago that the SF Bay Area may
soon be blanketed with (free?) wireless Internet access courtesy
of google.com. Yikes.
>
> Have you tried sleeping on the couch, or on the floor,
> or anywhere away from metal and see if that makes
> a difference?
>
Good idea. I'll sleep on a futon on the floor for a few nights and
see what that does.

> Some folks here have reported some good
> results with Graham Stetzer filters.

We placed an order for the Stetzer filters yesterday. I'll let you
know if they make a difference for us.

Hi Cara,

Very sorry to hear your situation has worsened with respect to ES. I
know when I've visited SF it has always been a real challenge to deal
with the level and 'quality' of electrosmog there.

One note of caution with a non-metal bed that contains foam. Check to
see if you are sensitive to the foam's outgassed vapors. Those ppl
with ES that I know personally all have some degree of chemical
sensitivity, too. I think I've seen advertisements where you can demo
a bed for 30 days but it might be a pain to get them to take it back
if it doesn't work out.

Cara, didn't you initially have good results with the Quantum
powerstrip and/or the Quantum Byte software? Did you notice how long
it took before they didn't help or became a hindrance for you? Would
you please share your protocol with them?

Thx,
Beau

--- In [hidden email], "Cara" <cara_evangelista@h...> wrote:

>
> I'm sure there's something rotten going on
> here, I'm sure of it. I only wish I could accurately gauge the
> relative safety of our relocation options. The problem could be
> county-wide, for all I know.

When I was thinking of moving I was taking along with me a tri-field
meter and the meter that you can buy from the place where you
purcheased the graham-stetzer filters. I would plug them into the
outlets in the places where I would consider moving to and look for 10
or lower. And I would definitely avoid places near any cell towers or
microwave towers.

I have a trifield meter, a body voltage meter, and an extremely
sensitive human meter (my husband). We have used all three
over the past 10 months, just as you describe, in a search for a
safer place to live. But always one or more of the meters has
indicated a problem. Also, as I posted once before (many
months ago), there seems to be a disconnect between what the
meters (especially the body voltage meter) says and how my
husband FEELS. We are now not confident enough in any of
these readings to trust that they provide meaningful information.

When our Graham-Stetzer meter arrives we will have FOUR
meters instead of three. Maybe the fourth meter will prove
particularly helpful, who knows. We keep hoping and trying
things.

Quaixemen, you mention that you used the meters when you
were thinking of moving. Did you actually move, and did you
choose your new home on the basis of the meter readings? If
so, how successful was the move with regard to your ES? And
did you find one particular meter or measure most meaningful
for you, i.e. tracked most closely with your symptoms?

Cara


--- In [hidden email], "quaixemen" <straitguy@s...>
wrote:

> When I was thinking of moving I was taking along with me a
tri-field
> meter and the meter that you can buy from the place where you
> purcheased the graham-stetzer filters. I would plug them into
the
> outlets in the places where I would consider moving to and
look for 10
> or lower. And I would definitely avoid places near any cell
towers or
> microwave towers.

Hi Beau,

Good point about the vapors. The Tempurpedic sales rep I
talked with said they de-gas the mattresses thoroughly using
ozone. I'm taking that at face value for now. First I need to run
Marc's futon test to see whether the $2000 new-bed investment
will even make a difference for me.

About Quantum Power strip and Quantum Byte, I should clarify.
I did feel they helped me at my computer workstation. But I have
taken several months off work to deal with some family issues
and during that time I have been working at home. Here, there
have been a few glitches:

1. From the beginning I ran all my computer equipment through
a Quantum Power strip but stupidly didn't notice that the green
"ground" indicator light was off. In effect I have been frying myself
on an ungrounded computer for over two months. ES symptoms
through the roof, so much that even *I* finally recognized them.
(Thought I was just run down, overworked and stressed before.)
Unplugging everything and re-plugging has somehow restored
the powerstrip's "ground" -- I used a separate circuit tester to
confirm. I *think* this is helping but I am still feeling buzzy, weak,
and fried. Need to limit exposure. Moral of story is CHECK THE
GROUND LIGHT on your power strip, and if it's off, take this
VERY seriously. My ES accelerated very quickly from the intense
but relatively brief exposure.
2. I really liked the Quantum Byte software on my work PC, would
still recommend it. But our home computers are all Macs, and
although I checked the Quantum website recently I couldn't find a
link to their Mac version of the software. Worth investigating
again, I suppose--I've been too sick lately to take things very far.
3. Our sleep setup doesn't require Quantum Powerstrips
because we still turn off most of our power circuits before going
to bed.

Hope that clears things up.

Cara

--- In [hidden email], "bbin37" <netfarer2@y...>
wrote:

> One note of caution with a non-metal bed that contains foam.
Check to
> see if you are sensitive to the foam's outgassed vapors.

>
> Cara, didn't you initially have good results with the Quantum
> powerstrip and/or the Quantum Byte software?

Oops, I meant to type "About Quantum Power strip and Quantum
Byte, I did feel they helped me at my *WORK* computer station."
Sorry--I'm zapped and foggy.

Bottom line is I think these two gadgets help if you use them
correctly--at least, up to a point. That is, they helped me at work,
but maybe not enough, since I think I was having symptoms
even before I starting working from home. And I *certainly*
believe there is some bigger issue in my home environment that
isn't overcome by a few protective gadgets. Man, I'd move
tomorrow if I weren't worried we'd be jumping from the pan into
the fire.

Cara

--- In [hidden email], "Cara"
<cara_evangelista@h...> wrote:

>
> About Quantum Power strip and Quantum Byte, I should clarify.
> I did feel they helped me at my computer workstation.

Beau wrote:

> > Cara, didn't you initially have good results with the Quantum
> > powerstrip and/or the Quantum Byte software?

> The Tempurpedic sales rep I
> talked with said they de-gas the mattresses thoroughly using
> ozone.

My wife and I have both been using Tempurpedic pillows for
years, without problem. Also, I suppose if offgassing is
a problem, you could buy your own ozonator to clean up the
air (I run an Aranizer in our bedroom at night, which I
find helpful).

> I *think* this is helping but I am still feeling buzzy, weak,
> and fried.

You may need to increase your intake of healthy proteins,
fats, and antioxidants to overcome this. Avocados
qualify on all 3 counts. :-)

> 2. I really liked the Quantum Byte software on my work PC, would
> still recommend it. But our home computers are all Macs

They used to have a version for Mac OS 10.2 on the website, but
for some reason it's no longer there. Maybe the newer versions
of Mac OS 10 broke it. You might want to email them about that.
There is also the Quantum Monitor, which is something that you
plug into the VGA connector on the back of your computer (if
your computer has a VGA connector?), and I've found that you
can use some of the other Quantum Products (Pro, Companion)
to treat the computer by just placing them nearby the
monitor. But again, these are all a lot more expensive than
the software.

Also, if the Stetzers fail you, I'd recommend ONE MORE thing
to try -- something from Earthcalm (http://earthcalm.com/).
My nutritionist tested that I should put a resonator on my
bedstand at night, but after trying this I felt that I
like the polarizers better. But I also find them very
isolating -- the only problem is that I find them difficult
to tolerate for long periods of time, and the cats have
a tendency to pee all over the house if I use the plugin
unit (I don't recommend them if you have cats!). But
they have a special "immune system regenerator" model
which may be more tolerable.

Marc

Yes. I sleep on a Haiku bed with natural Latex foam.
http://www.haikudesigns.com/natural-latex-mattress.htm
I do feel a difference and think it is worth it.
Andrew

On Oct 4, 2005, at 4:41 PM, Cara wrote:

> Also, if the Stetzers fail you, I'd recommend ONE MORE thing
> to try -- something from Earthcalm (http://earthcalm.com/).

Actually, on second thought, I probably shouldn't rate the
Earthcalm stuff so highly. In my personal experience (which
Charles correctly notes will not necessarily match anyone
else's experience), I'd rate the following as the top
EMF devices for computer tolerance:

Quantum Products (powerstrip, minimax, quantum byte,
quantum monitor, quantum pro)

Springlife Polarizers (Lifeforce, OM, OM2, garden rod, slimline)

Radar card (http://radar3.com)

Earthcalm resonator

I find a variety of combinations of the above stuff
works for me at home and at work, but this is along
with the other stuff I do:

* borage oil or carrot cream skin lotion for the face

* eating certain foods which seem to help (avocados,
prunes, almonds, oatcakes)(maybe eggs -- too soon to tell)

* taking certain supplements which seem to help
(probiotics, barley grass, sea vegetables)(maybe choline/inositol)

So it's no single thing that works, but a combination
of little things that add up to something that works.

Marc

A non-metal bed need not cost $2000!
Ours is a cotton futon with a foam core, sitting on a wooden base that
was intended for a water bed. (Usually lots of used water beds for sale.
Toss the bag and use the base.) We love this bed!
The foam in the futon, or under it, is just enough to make it super
comfy, as cotton alone tends to pack down and become too hard over time.
Depending on how chemically sensitsive you are, you may want organic
cotton. Ours is not and is not a problem for either of us. But, it's worth
asking for a futon cover that is not treated with fire retardant, as that is
very nasty stuff, containing formeldahyde. You may need a doctor's
prescription to get a non-treated futon cover, even though formeldahyde causes
cancer. Crazy world.
Regards,
Shivani


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