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Evie wrote:
" I have been told by various people--a doctor, several building
biologists, and a couple of forum members here--that emfs discipate over several
hours.  They all have not agreed on the time it takes--the doctor said 24to 48
hours, building biologists were suggesting 8 to 12 hours, and someone here
told me over 2 hours and another person said it could be hours longer.  (This
was info I got when I was asking about my house we are remodeling- I have
been told by various people--a doctor, several building biologists, and a
couple of forum members here--that emfs discipate over several hours.  They all
have not agreed on the time it takes--the doctor said 24 to 48 hours..."

An electromagnetic field collapses the moment that the current creating it
is no longer present. If ES people go around talking about fields
persisting for hours and days after the current is turned off, this will only
encourage others to perceive ES people as imagining things.

Evie also wrote:
  "I can pick up emf feelings (skin tingling or burning mainly) from the
cable for hours after the computer and box are unplugged and it often also
makes a difference in the outlet that they were previously plugged into."
Yes, symptoms persist. But the field does not persist once the
current creating it is turned off.
If you have the appropriate meter, you can discover whether there is a
current you are not yet aware of that causes a field to persist in a
particular area when you have turned off the power there. For instance, if you
have dirty electricity running on your waterpipes and phone lines, that may
still be running there when you have turned off the breaker to that area if
the source of that current is not from the wiring controlled by that
particular breaker.
In many houses there are still plenty of dirty electrical currents
running around the building in this way even when the power main is turned off.

But, please, don't go around saying electromagnetic fields persist
when they are no longer powered.  

Shivani Arjuna
www.LifeEnergies.











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In a message dated 4/23/2009 11:59:08 P.M. GMT Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:

But, please, don't go around saying electromagnetic fields persist
when they are no longer powered.

Shivani Arjuna
www.LifeEnergies.




I agree, notwithstanding any quantum effects, but also the delayed or
elongated effect and accumulation of emf load may lead the person to feel that
the previous recent emf exposure that they associated with their symptoms
although off, is still present, they may simply be more sensitive (or indeed
tuned in) than a few hours earlier, they may also go into a phase like a
non symptomatic window, which allows accumulation but no apparent effects,
until later - shabang!

Paul uk - sorry I am a bit muddled.


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Shivani
 
You said that in many houses there are still plenty of dirty electrical currents running around the building on heating pipes and phone lines even when the power main is turned off. I am pretty certain that one of the problems I face in my home is dirty electricity coming in on the heating pipes andon the phone line. For example, mostly during the night time, the phone gives periodic beeps or peeps, as if someone was trying to use it, even though no one is near it or touching it.
 
If this is the case that dirty electrical currents are running around buildings on heating pipes and phone lines [even when the current is off] - whatcan we do about them?
 
Best wishes
 
Steph

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Date: Thursday, 23 April, 2009, 7:48 PM








Evie wrote:
" I have been told by various people--a doctor, several building
biologists, and a couple of forum members here--that emfs discipate over several
hours.  They all have not agreed on the time it takes--the doctor said 24to 48
hours, building biologists were suggesting 8 to 12 hours, and someone here
told me over 2 hours and another person said it could be hours longer.  (This
was info I got when I was asking about my house we are remodeling- I have
been told by various people--a doctor, several building biologists, and a
couple of forum members here--that emfs discipate over several hours.  They all
have not agreed on the time it takes--the doctor said 24 to 48 hours..."

An electromagnetic field collapses the moment that the current creating it
is no longer present. If ES people go around talking about fields
persisting for hours and days after the current is turned off, this will only
encourage others to perceive ES people as imagining things.

Evie also wrote:
  "I can pick up emf feelings (skin tingling or burning mainly) from the
cable for hours after the computer and box are unplugged and it often also
makes a difference in the outlet that they were previously plugged into."
Yes, symptoms persist. But the field does not persist once the
current creating it is turned off.
If you have the appropriate meter, you can discover whether there is a
current you are not yet aware of that causes a field to persist in a
particular area when you have turned off the power there. For instance, if you
have dirty electricity running on your waterpipes and phone lines, that may
still be running there when you have turned off the breaker to that area if
the source of that current is not from the wiring controlled by that
particular breaker.
In many houses there are still plenty of dirty electrical currents
running around the building in this way even when the power main is turned off.

But, please, don't go around saying electromagnetic fields persist
when they are no longer powered.

Shivani Arjuna
www.LifeEnergies.

..
 

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Hi, SArjuna,

I have no problem with what you are saying at all.  I understand, finally, what may be going on in my other house that I am working on (dirty electricity on water and gas lines).  If I may pick your brain a bit, because Iam still trying to understand why other people were telling me that the electricity had to be off at the circuit breaker for so many hours....  Is dirty electricity able to travel on the house wiring after the breakers areturned off, as well?  Is this why others were telling me the circuits had to be off so long?  Or is dirty electricity on house wiring totally gone the minute the breakers are turned of?  If this is the case (no dirty electricity after breakers are switched off), then that makes my remediation at my other house much easier to figure out.   Thanks, SArjuna--I amworking on learning how to use the meters, btw.
 
You didn't speak to the subject of the Ethernet wire--is an antennae type device able to pick up and give off frequencies when it is not plugged in?  (I am also speaking of wireless cards from peoples' laptop computers--it was my understanding when I talked to the Dell hardware tech that the cards could still be picking up signals if they are within range of a tower, even with the laptop turned off.)  I want to understand these subjects correctly so as to not give unreliable info in the future.  However, I have apparently been given much false info in the past that I need to re-evaluate.
 
Thanks very much, SArjuna,
Diane
 
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To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, April 23, 2009, 3:48 PM








Evie wrote:
" I have been told by various people--a doctor, several building
biologists, and a couple of forum members here--that emfs discipate over several
hours.  They all have not agreed on the time it takes--the doctor said 24to 48
hours, building biologists were suggesting 8 to 12 hours, and someone here
told me over 2 hours and another person said it could be hours longer.  (This
was info I got when I was asking about my house we are remodeling- I have
been told by various people--a doctor, several building biologists, and a
couple of forum members here--that emfs discipate over several hours.  They all
have not agreed on the time it takes--the doctor said 24 to 48 hours..."

An electromagnetic field collapses the moment that the current creating it
is no longer present. If ES people go around talking about fields
persisting for hours and days after the current is turned off, this will only
encourage others to perceive ES people as imagining things.

Evie also wrote:
  "I can pick up emf feelings (skin tingling or burning mainly) from the
cable for hours after the computer and box are unplugged and it often also
makes a difference in the outlet that they were previously plugged into."
Yes, symptoms persist. But the field does not persist once the
current creating it is turned off.
If you have the appropriate meter, you can discover whether there is a
current you are not yet aware of that causes a field to persist in a
particular area when you have turned off the power there. For instance, if you
have dirty electricity running on your waterpipes and phone lines, that may
still be running there when you have turned off the breaker to that area if
the source of that current is not from the wiring controlled by that
particular breaker.
In many houses there are still plenty of dirty electrical currents
running around the building in this way even when the power main is turned off.

But, please, don't go around saying electromagnetic fields persist
when they are no longer powered.

Shivani Arjuna
www.LifeEnergies.

.
 

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> If I may pick your brain a
> bit, because I am still trying to understand why other people were
> telling me that the electricity had to be off at the circuit breaker for
> so many hours.... Is dirty electricity able to travel on the house
> wiring after the breakers are turned off, as well? Is this why others
> were telling me the circuits had to be off so long?

These questions were directed at Shivani, but I'll add my 2 cents... :-)

Certainly the wiring is still acting like an antenna for ambient
EMF (radio, TV, cellphone), but when these lines are powered down,
I don't think they should affect you nearly as much, as they
don't have any strong field around them to "transmit" the
noisy frequencies to you.

I think the "waiting for hours" suggestion must be due to lingering
"bad energy" in the area, which Shivani is not taking into account
because it does not show up on her EMF meter (but could still
affect sensitive people).

> You didn't speak to the subject of the Ethernet wire--is an antennae type
> device able to pick up and give off frequencies when it is not plugged
> in?

I think any metal is able to pickup and re-radiate EMF, so that
would include wires. I was experimenting with shielded ethernet
cable, and I think I actually prefer the UNshielded cable, perhaps
because it has less metal content as is picking up less
frequencies (???)

Marc

In a message dated 4/24/2009 7:23:28 P.M. GMT Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:

Is dirty electricity able to travel on the house
> wiring after the breakers are turned off, as well? Is this why others



from Paul - In my experience with the PLasma TV from hell evan if I turn
off my breakers it still transmits via my wires but to a much lesser extent.
The air gap in the breaker switch is simply not wide enough to stop the
transmission of the rf over the gap, if the stray RF is also on telecoms and
water pipes it will still be present despite turning off the juice.


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Thanks so much, Paul,
 
I appreciate your sharing your experience with this.  Have you ever tried going without electricity for more than a day or 2?  I was wondering if it affected the plasma emfs further, the longer the circuits were off. 
 
Thanks again,
Diane 

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To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, April 24, 2009, 5:35 PM









In a message dated 4/24/2009 7:23:28 P.M. GMT Daylight Time,
marc@ufoseries. com writes:

Is dirty electricity able to travel on the house
> wiring after the breakers are turned off, as well? Is this why others

from Paul - In my experience with the PLasma TV from hell evan if I turn
off my breakers it still transmits via my wires but to a much lesser extent.
The air gap in the breaker switch is simply not wide enough to stop the
transmission of the rf over the gap, if the stray RF is also on telecoms and
water pipes it will still be present despite turning off the juice.

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In a message dated 4/24/2009 11:13:14 P.M. GMT Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:

Thanks so much, Paul,

I appreciate your sharing your experience with this. Have you ever tried
going without electricity for more than a day or 2? I was wondering if it
affected the plasma emfs further, the longer the circuits were off.

Thanks again,
Diane



Do you buy into the lingering EMF thingy then ? I have a cabin in the
Norwegian Mountains tottally free from mains electricity, but alas there is a
mobile phone transmitter within 1mile and a distant tv transmitter with a
clear line of site so even here I suffer. Re the Plasma if I were to chop my
mains cable, my telecoms and all other conductive materials linked to the
network I would be ok apart from the airborne mess that it emits, this is a
bad bad scenario, one which I think people do not grasp to well, the
manufacturers should be hauled over the coals if they indeed allowed a TV to do
this premarket, its a Pioneer 42 inch Plasma that irradiates several houses
evan though it is some 50m away, the signal picked up by my AM radio is
unmistakeable that's why I found the scource so easily, it comes out of my
daughters matress, and now my low emf fishtank !

I am an some level of hell over this as I want to be taken seriously,
someone out there is looking for this one as it offers good potential for legal
redress.

Paul


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Hi, Paul,
 
No--not so much buying into the lingering emf thing as trying to understandemfs that exist apart from the electrical wiring--I have the greatest problems with this and can not understand it well enough to deal with it.  (And I am not sure I am using my meters correctly or whether the meters even pick up what I am reacting to.)  I was actually asking whether the plasma tv was a dirty electricity problem that quit when the electric was turned off, or do you react to it all the time?   Without any electicity on,I cannot get readings under 3 1/2 mG anywhere in either of my houses (and in many areas, not under 5mG).  Outside the houses tho, I am picking up even higher readings, so I guess that means both houses have high neighborhood problems.  My house I was fixing up didn't bother my es this way until just before Christmas when I saw 2 tv cable trucks parked about 50 feet away, installing something up the street.  I did, however, react to
wiring problems there prior. 
 
My current house has a telephone substation across from it, from which its high outside readings come (not a surprise).  My electric meter on the side of my house I am remodeling reads over 10mG inside the livingroom and I know some of my problem is from it (and was also before Christmas).  But I am now bad everywhere in that house--with or without the electricity on.  HOWEVER, the readings at my current house are the same high readings and I don't react as badly there, so I think the 50/60 Hz readingsare relatively meaningless as far as the problem which started prior to Christmas.
 
Thanks for answering my question.  That was what I wanted to know. 
 
Diane
 

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To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, April 24, 2009, 6:41 PM









In a message dated 4/24/2009 11:13:14 P.M. GMT Daylight Time,
evie15422@yahoo. com writes:

Thanks so much, Paul,

I appreciate your sharing your experience with this. Have you ever tried
going without electricity for more than a day or 2? I was wondering if it
affected the plasma emfs further, the longer the circuits were off.

Thanks again,
Diane

Do you buy into the lingering EMF thingy then ? I have a cabin in the
Norwegian Mountains tottally free from mains electricity, but alas there isa
mobile phone transmitter within 1mile and a distant tv transmitter with a
clear line of site so even here I suffer. Re the Plasma if I were to chop my
mains cable, my telecoms and all other conductive materials linked to the
network I would be ok apart from the airborne mess that it emits, this is a
bad bad scenario, one which I think people do not grasp to well, the
manufacturers should be hauled over the coals if they indeed allowed a TV to do
this premarket, its a Pioneer 42 inch Plasma that irradiates several houses
evan though it is some 50m away, the signal picked up by my AM radio is
unmistakeable that's why I found the scource so easily, it comes out of my
daughters matress, and now my low emf fishtank !

I am an some level of hell over this as I want to be taken seriously,
someone out there is looking for this one as it offers good potential for legal
redress.

Paul

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Hi, Paul,
 
I was asking if this happened even after 2 days of no electricity.  (Can wifi, etc, exist on the electrical wiring long-term even when it is not transmitting electricity.  And also, if you were to remove the wiring altogether, would that then take care of your problem with the plasma--but fromwhat you said about your cabin, I guess wiring has nothing to do with it.  Thanks for answering both questions.)
 
It was interesting that, when I tried my meter by a subpanel box, I still got electrical readings there with the circuits off.  So I now wonder how common this is???  I definitely need rewired at that house, but I am asking myself whether this is worth doing if I am going to end up not being able to live there anyway from other frequency problems?  If I cannot figureout a way to remediate the problem that started just before Christmas, then all the rewiring in the world is not going to help the situation. 
 
Thanks again,
Diane

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Date: Friday, April 24, 2009, 5:35 PM









In a message dated 4/24/2009 7:23:28 P.M. GMT Daylight Time,
marc@ufoseries. com writes:

Is dirty electricity able to travel on the house
> wiring after the breakers are turned off, as well? Is this why others

from Paul - In my experience with the PLasma TV from hell evan if I turn
off my breakers it still transmits via my wires but to a much lesser extent.
The air gap in the breaker switch is simply not wide enough to stop the
transmission of the rf over the gap, if the stray RF is also on telecoms and
water pipes it will still be present despite turning off the juice.

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Thanks, Marc, 
 
I appreciate the info.  This was what I was trying to figure out.  I think this has to be why various people were telling me I'd react for so long after turning off the electricity altogether. 
 
(Sorry I am behind on my email and I still owe several, especially one to Laurel and Christine.  If anyone reading is one of those I owe, I have notforgotten.  Just got behind!  And longer emails have to wait because Iam only able to be online several minutes at a time.)
 
Thanks again, Marc,
Diane


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Subject: Re: [eSens] No Subject
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, April 24, 2009, 2:19 PM








> If I may pick your brain a
> bit, because I am still trying to understand why other people were
> telling me that the electricity had to be off at the circuit breaker for
> so many hours.... Is dirty electricity able to travel on the house
> wiring after the breakers are turned off, as well? Is this why others
> were telling me the circuits had to be off so long?

These questions were directed at Shivani, but I'll add my 2 cents... :-)

Certainly the wiring is still acting like an antenna for ambient
EMF (radio, TV, cellphone), but when these lines are powered down,
I don't think they should affect you nearly as much, as they
don't have any strong field around them to "transmit" the
noisy frequencies to you.

I think the "waiting for hours" suggestion must be due to lingering
"bad energy" in the area, which Shivani is not taking into account
because it does not show up on her EMF meter (but could still
affect sensitive people).

> You didn't speak to the subject of the Ethernet wire--is an antennae type
> device able to pick up and give off frequencies when it is not plugged
> in?

I think any metal is able to pickup and re-radiate EMF, so that
would include wires. I was experimenting with shielded ethernet
cable, and I think I actually prefer the UNshielded cable, perhaps
because it has less metal content as is picking up less
frequencies (???)

Marc
















     

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In a message dated 4/27/2009 9:33:30 P.M. GMT Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:

Hi, Paul,

I was asking if this happened even after 2 days of no electricity. (Can
wifi, etc, exist on the electrical wiring long-term even when it is not
transmitting electricity. And also, if you were to remove the wiring
altogether, would that then take care of your problem with the plasma--but from what
you said about your cabin, I guess wiring has nothing to do with it.
Thanks for answering both questions.)



paul replies -

yes wifi etc will conduct along wires evan if they have no mains power
running via them. the metal content of the wires makes them highly conductive
to radio/microwaves and in turn they act like re-radiating antennea. If I
could cut away the mains cable to my house along with telecoms and fit a
plastic water pipe then the problem with the Plasma tv would diminish to
negligible levels but alas I cant put my family in the stone age !

best wishes - Paul
ps maybe the predicted massive solar flare in 2012 will sort this one out ?


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In a message dated 4/27/2009 9:10:33 P.M. GMT Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:

was fixing up didn't bother my es this way until just before Christmas
when I saw 2 tv cable trucks parked about 50 feet away, installing something
up the street. I did, however, react to
wiring problems there prior.



If they have installed cable tv and supporting electronics then this might
be your problem try an AM radio this might be your best bet, as you say
the stuff you are reacting to maybe way off 60hz

paul


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