Hello gang,
just to give some background on me, I am a nurse that was injured on the job. Not working now. The injury went to Myofascial Pain, Fibromyalgia and now Enviromental and Electrical Sensitivies. Are we having fun yet?? nope. I live in Canada. Our town is getting the Not-So-Smart-Meters and so far I have been able to keep them away , but it's only a matter of time before they install one and it's on a bedroom wall. I have tried a whole house 'harmonizer' (cause I forgot the correct word lol ) but my husband has a pacemaker and we found it too strong. We both had flu symptoms when I would plug it in! I have finally been able to tolerate the Pendant I got from the same place. Does anyone have any experience with Gia Products? or Earth Calm? other then that I don't have a clue what we can do to protect ourselves. I would love some ideas from those who have been there..... thank you in advance Aimee |
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> I have tried a whole house 'harmonizer' (cause I forgot the
> correct word lol ) but my husband has a pacemaker and we > found it too strong. We both had flu symptoms when I would > plug it in! I have finally been able to tolerate the > Pendant I got from the same place. So what exactly did you try? And besides the flu-like symptoms, were they actually helping with the EMF? > Does anyone have any experience with Gia Products? > or Earth Calm? I have experience with Earthcalm. Some people have reported that they help, others not. For me, they help a little. I don't like the feeling when the plug-in model is plugged in all the time, however I've found it okay if I put it on a timer so it cycles on and off (every 15 minutes). But again, it doesn't really do that much for me. Neither does the pendant. The items from quantumproducts.com have been far more helpful to me. For Smart Meters, I would think the power conditioners (power strips) would help, and the Quantum Home/Pro would help more (but are more expensive). But I don't know for sure, as we don't have electric smart meters here. And different people respond to different things, so they may not do anything for you (although you could test that by installing their free software for Windows and seeing if you notice any difference from that) Marc |
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Aimee, I also live in
Canada. While I have been a member for over one-month, this is my first post and my introduction to the group. Unfortunately, the apartment building where I live already has "the not so smart meters". They were installed this year. There is also lots of cell phone antennas all over the city I live in. A few years ago I was also diagnosed with fibro by my MD. I sought a second opinion from an alternative doctor, whose specialty, amongst others, was treating his patients who suffer from fibromyalgia. Although EMS is not yet fully accepted diagnosis by the medical field, my osteopath (MD as well), after examining me, and after hearing me tell the story of cell phone tower antennas having been installed all over my community since the mid-eighties without the public's knowledge, advised me that I was most likely exposed to Electromagnetic Fields. I am not sure whether the product you mention is reliable or not... I know, for myself, it seems the only route to take, was to detoxify... If you want to know more, you can email me privately. In the meantime, did you google the product and what others say about it? Josephine ________________________________ From: Aimee <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 10:56:15 PM Subject: [eSens] New member Hello gang, just to give some background on me, I am a nurse that was injured on the job. Not working now. The injury went to Myofascial Pain, Fibromyalgia and now Enviromental and Electrical Sensitivies. Are we having fun yet?? nope. I live in Canada. Our town is getting the Not-So-Smart-Meters and so far I have been able to keep them away , but it's only a matter of time before they install one and it's on a bedroom wall. I have tried a whole house 'harmonizer' (cause I forgot the correct word lol ) but my husband has a pacemaker and we found it too strong. We both had flu symptoms when I would plug it in! I have finally been able to tolerate the Pendant I got from the same place. Does anyone have any experience with Gia Products? or Earth Calm? other then that I don't have a clue what we can do to protect ourselves. I would love some ideas from those who have been there..... thank you in advance Aimee [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
Josephine are you aware that Electromagnetic Sensitivities is considered an "official" disability in Canada? it is considered to be an Environmental Illness and similar to MCS [Multiple Chemical Sensitivities]. If I remember correctly/I am pretty sure that Fibromyalgia [FM]and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome [CFS] are also Environmental Illnesses.
On the Canadian Human Rights Commission website http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/ they have a pdf file of the medical reasons why EMS is a disability as well as a pdf file of the legal reasons; plus also explaining that MCS and EMS have to be accommodated in Canada-- the legislature was passed in Jan/Feb of 2007 EMS is considered to be part of MCS. Plus since the disorder you have does quality as an "official" disability ,you also qualify for this CERA - Centre for Equality Rights in Accommodations The Centre for Equality Rights in Accommodation (CERA) is the only organization in Canada dedicated to ending discrimination in housing and promoting human rights in housing. CERA carries out this work through public education, research, law reform, human rights casework, test case litigation and using international human rights law and mechanisms. If you have experienced discrimination related to your housing, call us at 1-800-263-1139 ext. 22. You can also e-mail us at [hidden email] http://www.equalityrights.org/cera/ I live in Ottawa,Ontario and have a couple of times needed to inform a company that MCS [and also EMS] is an official disability and has to be accommodated in Canada. Some insurance companies in particular, in my experience, seem to not realize that MCS/EHS is an official disability in Canada. Some insurance companies like Halifax Insurance have a policy to accommodate disabilities regardless if they are "official " or not but others like The Co-operators attempt to insist that "insurance companies do not need to accommodate environmental sensitivities". I have been quite surprised a couple of times by how many people with environmental illnesses do not realize that they legally have to be accommodated. I believe there is an organization in BC which has filed 2 class action lawsuits against smart meter companies -- one lawsuit is for the violation of human rights under the Canadian Charter of Human Rights and the other lawsuit liability for Personal Injury Canadian Human Rights Commission National Office 344 Slater Street, 8th Floor, Ottawa, Ontario K1A 1E1, Canada Telephone: (613) 995-1151 Toll Free: 1-888-214-1090 TTY: 1-888-643-3304 Fax: (613) 996-9661 Regional Offices http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/about/reach_us-eng.aspx --- http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_hypersensibilitee/page7-eng.aspx Electromagnetic radiation and fields "Electromagnetic radiation" covers a broad range of frequencies (over 20 orders of magnitude), from low frequencies in electricity supplies, radiowaves and microwaves, infrared and visible light, to x-rays and cosmic rays.224 Our limited understanding of the biological effects of the vast majority of frequencies gives reason for concern.225-230 Although there is still debate in this regard,231-233 tinnitus, brain tumours and acoustic neuroma are associated with cell phones and mobile phones. 234-237 Communications and radar antennae expose those who live or work near these installations to their emissions. The radiation travels through buildings, and can also be conducted along electrical wires or metal plumbing. Wireless communications create levels within buildings that are orders of magnitude higher than natural background levels.238 The World Health Organization (WHO) acknowledges the condition of electromagnetic sensitivity, and published a 2006 research agenda for radio-frequency fields.239 The WHO recommends that people reporting sensitivities receive a comprehensive health evaluation. It states: "Some studies suggest that certain physiological responses of EHS individuals tend to be outside the normal range. In particular, hyperactivity in the central nervous system and imbalance in the autonomic nervous system need to be followed up in clinical investigations and the results for the individuals taken as input for possible treatment." Studies of individuals with sensitivities ought to consider sufficient acclimatization of subjects as recommended by Joffres for chemical sensitivities,72 as well as recognition of individuals' wavelength-specific sensitivities. Reduction of electromagnetic radiation may ameliorate symptoms in people with chronic fatigue.240 It is worth noting that off-gassing of electrical equipment may also contribute to sensitivities.84 Different sorts of technology (e.g. various medical equipment, analogue or digital telephones; flat screen monitors and laptop computers or larger older monitors) may vary significantly in strength, frequency and pattern of electromagnetic fields.238 ---- THE MEDICAL PERSPECTIVE ON ENVIRONMENTAL SENSITIVITIES By: Margaret E. Sears (M.Eng., Ph.D.) Abstract Approximately 3% of Canadians have been diagnosed with environmental sensitivities, and many more are somewhat sensitive to traces of chemicals and/or electromagnetic phenomena in the environment. People experience neurological and numerous other symptoms, and avoidance of triggers is an essential step to regaining health. The Canadian Human Rights Commission commissioned this report to summarize scientific information about environmental sensitivities. For those interested in the original scientific and technical literature, an annotated bibliography is available on request from [hidden email]. This report addresses issues such as the definition and prevalence of environmental sensitivities; recognition by medical authorities; education and training within the medical community; origins, triggers and symptoms of sensitivities; impact of environmental sensitivities in the workplace; government policies and standards for building codes, air quality and ventilation as they affect individuals with environmental sensitivities; and guidelines for accommodation within the workplace. For people with environmental sensitivities, their health and ability to work rests with the actions of others, including building managers, co-workers and clients. Accommodating people with environmental sensitivities presents an opportunity to improve workplace environmental quality and worker performance, and may help prevent the onset of sensitivities in others. To view the full report please connect to link below: Medical Perspective http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_hypersensibilitee/toc_tdm-eng.aspx For further information on environmental sensitivities, click on the following Commission publications: The Medical Perspective on Environmental Sensitivities http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/pdf/envsensitivity_en.pdf http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_hypersensibilitee/toc_tdm-eng.aspx ACCOMODATION FOR ENVIRONMENTAL SENSITIVITIES: LEGAL PERSPECTIVE By: Cara Wilkie and David Baker Abstract Environmental sensitivities are a group of poorly understood medical conditions that cause people to react adversely to environmental triggers. The Canadian Human Rights Commission commissioned this report, in which the researchers seek to establish the status of the issues related to environmental sensitivities from a legal perspective and as these relate to the protection of human rights. The researchers examined case law, consulted experts and examined secondary sources on accommodation of people with environmental sensitivities in Canada, the United States, Australia, New Zealand and the United Kingdom, in order to answer several questions in the Canadian context: What is the status of the case law in these jurisdictions? Do building codes act as barriers to people with environmental sensitivities? What best practices emerge from the case law? How are conflicting interests reconciled? How can third parties be involved in the accommodation process? Where is the threshold of undue hardship? How are conflicts regarding accommodation preferences resolved? To view the full report please connect to link below: Accomodation / Legal Perspective http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_legal_hypersensibilitee/toc_tdm-eng.aspx Accommodation for Environmental Sensitivities: Legal Perspective http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/pdf/legal_sensitivity_en.pdf References: http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_hypersensibilitee/page14-eng.aspx http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_legal_hypersensibilitee/toc_tdm-eng.aspx Ontario Human Rights Commission Policy & Guidlines on Disabiliy & the Duty to Accommodate http://www.ohrc.on.ca/en/resources/Policies/PolicyDisAccom2/pdf blessings Shan --- In [hidden email], Josephine Z <z.josephine@...> wrote: > > Aimee, I also live in > Canada.  While I have been a member for over one-month, this is my first > post and my introduction to the group. > > Unfortunately, the > apartment building where I live already has "the not so smart > meters". They were installed this year.  There is also lots of cell > phone antennas all over the city I live in.  > > > A few years ago I was > also diagnosed with fibro by my MD. I sought a second opinion from an > alternative doctor, whose specialty, amongst others, was treating his patients > who suffer from fibromyalgia. Although EMS is not yet fully accepted diagnosis > by the medical field, my osteopath (MD as well), after examining me, and after > hearing me tell the story of cell phone tower antennas having been installed > all over my community since the > mid-eighties without the public's knowledge, advised me that I was most likely > exposed to Electromagnetic Fields.  > > I am not sure whether the product you > mention is reliable or not... I know, for myself, it seems the only route to > take, was to detoxify...  If you want to know more, you can email me > privately. > > > In the meantime, did you google the product and what others say about it? >  > Josephine > > > ________________________________ > From: Aimee <ohkanaduh@...> > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 10:56:15 PM > Subject: [eSens] New member > > >  > Hello gang, > just to give some background on me, I am a nurse that was injured on the job. Not working now. The injury went to Myofascial Pain, Fibromyalgia and now Enviromental and Electrical Sensitivies. Are we having fun yet?? nope. > > I live in Canada. Our town is getting the Not-So-Smart-Meters and so far I have been able to keep them away , but it's only a matter of time before they install one and it's on a bedroom wall. I have tried a whole house 'harmonizer' (cause I forgot the correct word lol ) but my husband has a pacemaker and we found it too strong. We both had flu symptoms when I would plug it in! I have finally been able to tolerate the Pendant I got from the same place. > > Does anyone have any experience with Gia Products? or Earth Calm? other then that I don't have a clue what we can do to protect ourselves. I would love some ideas from those who have been there..... > thank you in advance > Aimee > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |
Thanks Shan.
When I told my family doctor, who diagnosed me with fibro that my osteopath said I was most likely inflicted with EMS, she said that, even so, it was not recognized in Canada, nor in BC. This was in 2009. My family doctor, although, believes it off record that I have EMS, she is not willing to put it on the record. Whereas, I am doing better, I still need to move out from the city, sooner than later, so that the natural health protocol I am on will have a full effect. In the meantime, you think I should let my MD know about the information you provided me with? If EMS is an "official disability" than I wonder why the federal governemt is not recognizing fibro as an "official disability"? Josephine ________________________________ From: bestsurprise2 <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 11:43:24 AM Subject: [eSens] Re: New member Josephine are you aware that Electromagnetic Sensitivities is considered an "official" disability in Canada? it is considered to be an Environmental Illness and similar to MCS [Multiple Chemical Sensitivities]. If I remember correctly/I am pretty sure that Fibromyalgia [FM]and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome [CFS] are also Environmental Illnesses. On the Canadian Human Rights Commission website http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/ they have a pdf file of the medical reasons why EMS is a disability as well as a pdf file of the legal reasons; plus also explaining that MCS and EMS have to be accommodated in Canada-- the legislature was passed in Jan/Feb of 2007 EMS is considered to be part of MCS. Plus since the disorder you have does quality as an "official" disability ,you also qualify for this CERA - Centre for Equality Rights in Accommodations The Centre for Equality Rights in Accommodation (CERA) is the only organization in Canada dedicated to ending discrimination in housing and promoting human rights in housing. CERA carries out this work through public education, research, law reform, human rights casework, test case litigation and using international human rights law and mechanisms. If you have experienced discrimination related to your housing, call us at 1-800-263-1139 ext. 22. You can also e-mail us at [hidden email] http://www.equalityrights.org/cera/ I live in Ottawa,Ontario and have a couple of times needed to inform a company that MCS [and also EMS] is an official disability and has to be accommodated in Canada. Some insurance companies in particular, in my experience, seem to not realize that MCS/EHS is an official disability in Canada. Some insurance companies like Halifax Insurance have a policy to accommodate disabilities regardless if they are "official " or not but others like The Co-operators attempt to insist that "insurance companies do not need to accommodate environmental sensitivities". I have been quite surprised a couple of times by how many people with environmental illnesses do not realize that they legally have to be accommodated. I believe there is an organization in BC which has filed 2 class action lawsuits against smart meter companies -- one lawsuit is for the violation of human rights under the Canadian Charter of Human Rights and the other lawsuit liability for Personal Injury Canadian Human Rights Commission National Office 344 Slater Street, 8th Floor, Ottawa, Ontario K1A 1E1, Canada Telephone: (613) 995-1151 Toll Free: 1-888-214-1090 TTY: 1-888-643-3304 Fax: (613) 996-9661 Regional Offices http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/about/reach_us-eng.aspx --- http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_hypersensibilitee/page7-eng.aspx Electromagnetic radiation and fields "Electromagnetic radiation" covers a broad range of frequencies (over 20 orders of magnitude), from low frequencies in electricity supplies, radiowaves and microwaves, infrared and visible light, to x-rays and cosmic rays.224 Our limited understanding of the biological effects of the vast majority of frequencies gives reason for concern.225-230 Although there is still debate in this regard,231-233 tinnitus, brain tumours and acoustic neuroma are associated with cell phones and mobile phones. 234-237 Communications and radar antennae expose those who live or work near these installations to their emissions. The radiation travels through buildings, and can also be conducted along electrical wires or metal plumbing. Wireless communications create levels within buildings that are orders of magnitude higher than natural background levels.238 The World Health Organization (WHO) acknowledges the condition of electromagnetic sensitivity, and published a 2006 research agenda for radio-frequency fields.239 The WHO recommends that people reporting sensitivities receive a comprehensive health evaluation. It states: "Some studies suggest that certain physiological responses of EHS individuals tend to be outside the normal range. In particular, hyperactivity in the central nervous system and imbalance in the autonomic nervous system need to be followed up in clinical investigations and the results for the individuals taken as input for possible treatment." Studies of individuals with sensitivities ought to consider sufficient acclimatization of subjects as recommended by Joffres for chemical sensitivities,72 as well as recognition of individuals' wavelength-specific sensitivities. Reduction of electromagnetic radiation may ameliorate symptoms in people with chronic fatigue.240 It is worth noting that off-gassing of electrical equipment may also contribute to sensitivities.84 Different sorts of technology (e.g. various medical equipment, analogue or digital telephones; flat screen monitors and laptop computers or larger older monitors) may vary significantly in strength, frequency and pattern of electromagnetic fields.238 ---- THE MEDICAL PERSPECTIVE ON ENVIRONMENTAL SENSITIVITIES By: Margaret E. Sears (M.Eng., Ph.D.) Abstract Approximately 3% of Canadians have been diagnosed with environmental sensitivities, and many more are somewhat sensitive to traces of chemicals and/or electromagnetic phenomena in the environment. People experience neurological and numerous other symptoms, and avoidance of triggers is an essential step to regaining health. The Canadian Human Rights Commission commissioned this report to summarize scientific information about environmental sensitivities. For those interested in the original scientific and technical literature, an annotated bibliography is available on request from [hidden email]. This report addresses issues such as the definition and prevalence of environmental sensitivities; recognition by medical authorities; education and training within the medical community; origins, triggers and symptoms of sensitivities; impact of environmental sensitivities in the workplace; government policies and standards for building codes, air quality and ventilation as they affect individuals with environmental sensitivities; and guidelines for accommodation within the workplace. For people with environmental sensitivities, their health and ability to work rests with the actions of others, including building managers, co-workers and clients. Accommodating people with environmental sensitivities presents an opportunity to improve workplace environmental quality and worker performance, and may help prevent the onset of sensitivities in others. To view the full report please connect to link below: Medical Perspective http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_hypersensibilitee/toc_tdm-eng.aspx For further information on environmental sensitivities, click on the following Commission publications: The Medical Perspective on Environmental Sensitivities http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/pdf/envsensitivity_en.pdf http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_hypersensibilitee/toc_tdm-eng.aspx ACCOMODATION FOR ENVIRONMENTAL SENSITIVITIES: LEGAL PERSPECTIVE By: Cara Wilkie and David Baker Abstract Environmental sensitivities are a group of poorly understood medical conditions that cause people to react adversely to environmental triggers. The Canadian Human Rights Commission commissioned this report, in which the researchers seek to establish the status of the issues related to environmental sensitivities from a legal perspective and as these relate to the protection of human rights. The researchers examined case law, consulted experts and examined secondary sources on accommodation of people with environmental sensitivities in Canada, the United States, Australia, New Zealand and the United Kingdom, in order to answer several questions in the Canadian context: What is the status of the case law in these jurisdictions? Do building codes act as barriers to people with environmental sensitivities? What best practices emerge from the case law? How are conflicting interests reconciled? How can third parties be involved in the accommodation process? Where is the threshold of undue hardship? How are conflicts regarding accommodation preferences resolved? To view the full report please connect to link below: Accomodation / Legal Perspective http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_legal_hypersensibilitee/toc_tdm-eng.aspx Accommodation for Environmental Sensitivities: Legal Perspective http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/pdf/legal_sensitivity_en.pdf References: http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_hypersensibilitee/page14-eng.aspx http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_legal_hypersensibilitee/toc_tdm-eng.aspx Ontario Human Rights Commission Policy & Guidlines on Disabiliy & the Duty to Accommodate http://www.ohrc.on.ca/en/resources/Policies/PolicyDisAccom2/pdf blessings Shan --- In [hidden email], Josephine Z <z.josephine@...> wrote: > > Aimee, I also live in > Canada.  While I have been a member for over one-month, this is my first > post and my introduction to the group. > > Unfortunately, the > apartment building where I live already has "the not so smart > meters". They were installed this year.  There is also lots of cell > phone antennas all over the city I live in.  > > > A few years ago I was > also diagnosed with fibro by my MD. I sought a second opinion from an > alternative doctor, whose specialty, amongst others, was treating his patients > who suffer from fibromyalgia. Although EMS is not yet fully accepted diagnosis > by the medical field, my osteopath (MD as well), after examining me, and after > hearing me tell the story of cell phone tower antennas having been installed > all over my community since the > mid-eighties without the public's knowledge, advised me that I was most likely > exposed to Electromagnetic Fields.  > > I am not sure whether the product you > mention is reliable or not... I know, for myself, it seems the only route to > take, was to detoxify...  If you want to know more, you can email me > privately. > > > In the meantime, did you google the product and what others say about it? >  > Josephine > > > ________________________________ > From: Aimee <ohkanaduh@...> > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 10:56:15 PM > Subject: [eSens] New member > > >  > Hello gang, > just to give some background on me, I am a nurse that was injured on the job. Not working now. The injury went to Myofascial Pain, Fibromyalgia and now Enviromental and Electrical Sensitivies. Are we having fun yet?? nope. > > I live in Canada. Our town is getting the Not-So-Smart-Meters and so far I have been able to keep them away , but it's only a matter of time before they install one and it's on a bedroom wall. I have tried a whole house 'harmonizer' (cause I forgot the correct word lol ) but my husband has a pacemaker and we found it too strong. We both had flu symptoms when I would plug it in! I have finally been able to tolerate the Pendant I got from the same place. > > Does anyone have any experience with Gia Products? or Earth Calm? other then that I don't have a clue what we can do to protect ourselves. I would love some ideas from those who have been there..... > thank you in advance > Aimee > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
Hi all and thank you for the welcomes.
Josephine and Shan : I just want to comment that when I knew the Smart Meters were coming, I got ahold of my MLA and spoke with them . I asked if they knew of any way that I could refuse it permanently and she said nothing legal that she knew of! Now you would think that the MLA office would know about this wouldn't they?? Sorry but I dont have time right now to read all the links Shan provided, but the question that I have is...... even if fibro/ em / mcs get put on the disability list, what does that really boil down to?? What good is it to be declared disabled due to these conditions, if BC Hydro for example is allowed to just proceed with their agenda with business as usual???? I know there is a website called stopsmartmeters.ca that I have joined but am unaware of any class action suits. I will be checking into it.... thanks again Shan. Come to think of it, the former premier of BC Vanderzalm is recorded on this website... being in government he should be doing more for us then recording his opposition lol. I'm afraid its a case of "you can't fight city hall". Co Operators insurance company fights any and everything. I had my go rounds with them plenty. They are useless. Marc what I tried was Scalar Home Protection System from earthcalm. I tried the few minutes on few off gradual 'doses' and I just didnt like that it made me feel edgy, crabby as well as flu like. I also have fibro and it made no sense to persist. One great thing about the company is their refund policy. No problems at all with that. I kept and am faithful to wearing all the time my Nova Scalar Resonator Pendant from the same company. One tip that Vivint, my security alarm system company told me about..... if electronics bother a person, tape copper pennies to the appliance. The penny has to be before 1994 because after that year, it isn't true copper anymore. I think copper is the main component in Q-Link, which I tried but had no luck with. So now I have alot of pennies taped to everything in the house :). To be honest, I truely think it helps!! I'm sorry if I didn't answer all of your questions but I am so pressed for time at this moment. thanks and take care Aimee in BC --- On Mon, 7/30/12, Josephine Z <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Josephine Z <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: New member To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> Date: Monday, July 30, 2012, 3:16 PM Thanks Shan. When I told my family doctor, who diagnosed me with fibro that my osteopath said I was most likely inflicted with EMS, she said that, even so, it was not recognized in Canada, nor in BC. This was in 2009. My family doctor, although, believes it off record that I have EMS, she is not willing to put it on the record. Whereas, I am doing better, I still need to move out from the city, sooner than later, so that the natural health protocol I am on will have a full effect. In the meantime, you think I should let my MD know about the information you provided me with? If EMS is an "official disability" than I wonder why the federal governemt is not recognizing fibro as an "official disability"? Josephine ________________________________ From: bestsurprise2 <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 11:43:24 AM Subject: [eSens] Re: New member Josephine are you aware that Electromagnetic Sensitivities is considered an "official" disability in Canada? it is considered to be an Environmental Illness and similar to MCS [Multiple Chemical Sensitivities]. If I remember correctly/I am pretty sure that Fibromyalgia [FM]and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome [CFS] are also Environmental Illnesses. On the Canadian Human Rights Commission website http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/ they have a pdf file of the medical reasons why EMS is a disability as well as a pdf file of the legal reasons; plus also explaining that MCS and EMS have to be accommodated in Canada-- the legislature was passed in Jan/Feb of 2007 EMS is considered to be part of MCS. Plus since the disorder you have does quality as an "official" disability ,you also qualify for this CERA - Centre for Equality Rights in Accommodations The Centre for Equality Rights in Accommodation (CERA) is the only organization in Canada dedicated to ending discrimination in housing and promoting human rights in housing. CERA carries out this work through public education, research, law reform, human rights casework, test case litigation and using international human rights law and mechanisms. If you have experienced discrimination related to your housing, call us at 1-800-263-1139 ext. 22. You can also e-mail us at [hidden email] http://www.equalityrights.org/cera/ I live in Ottawa,Ontario and have a couple of times needed to inform a company that MCS [and also EMS] is an official disability and has to be accommodated in Canada. Some insurance companies in particular, in my experience, seem to not realize that MCS/EHS is an official disability in Canada. Some insurance companies like Halifax Insurance have a policy to accommodate disabilities regardless if they are "official " or not but others like The Co-operators attempt to insist that "insurance companies do not need to accommodate environmental sensitivities". I have been quite surprised a couple of times by how many people with environmental illnesses do not realize that they legally have to be accommodated. I believe there is an organization in BC which has filed 2 class action lawsuits against smart meter companies -- one lawsuit is for the violation of human rights under the Canadian Charter of Human Rights and the other lawsuit liability for Personal Injury Canadian Human Rights Commission National Office 344 Slater Street, 8th Floor, Ottawa, Ontario K1A 1E1, Canada Telephone: (613) 995-1151 Toll Free: 1-888-214-1090 TTY: 1-888-643-3304 Fax: (613) 996-9661 Regional Offices http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/about/reach_us-eng.aspx --- http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_hypersensibilitee/page7-eng.aspx Electromagnetic radiation and fields "Electromagnetic radiation" covers a broad range of frequencies (over 20 orders of magnitude), from low frequencies in electricity supplies, radiowaves and microwaves, infrared and visible light, to x-rays and cosmic rays.224 Our limited understanding of the biological effects of the vast majority of frequencies gives reason for concern.225-230 Although there is still debate in this regard,231-233 tinnitus, brain tumours and acoustic neuroma are associated with cell phones and mobile phones. 234-237 Communications and radar antennae expose those who live or work near these installations to their emissions. The radiation travels through buildings, and can also be conducted along electrical wires or metal plumbing. Wireless communications create levels within buildings that are orders of magnitude higher than natural background levels.238 The World Health Organization (WHO) acknowledges the condition of electromagnetic sensitivity, and published a 2006 research agenda for radio-frequency fields.239 The WHO recommends that people reporting sensitivities receive a comprehensive health evaluation. It states: "Some studies suggest that certain physiological responses of EHS individuals tend to be outside the normal range. In particular, hyperactivity in the central nervous system and imbalance in the autonomic nervous system need to be followed up in clinical investigations and the results for the individuals taken as input for possible treatment." Studies of individuals with sensitivities ought to consider sufficient acclimatization of subjects as recommended by Joffres for chemical sensitivities,72 as well as recognition of individuals' wavelength-specific sensitivities. Reduction of electromagnetic radiation may ameliorate symptoms in people with chronic fatigue.240 It is worth noting that off-gassing of electrical equipment may also contribute to sensitivities.84 Different sorts of technology (e.g. various medical equipment, analogue or digital telephones; flat screen monitors and laptop computers or larger older monitors) may vary significantly in strength, frequency and pattern of electromagnetic fields.238 ---- THE MEDICAL PERSPECTIVE ON ENVIRONMENTAL SENSITIVITIES By: Margaret E. Sears (M.Eng., Ph.D.) Abstract Approximately 3% of Canadians have been diagnosed with environmental sensitivities, and many more are somewhat sensitive to traces of chemicals and/or electromagnetic phenomena in the environment. People experience neurological and numerous other symptoms, and avoidance of triggers is an essential step to regaining health. The Canadian Human Rights Commission commissioned this report to summarize scientific information about environmental sensitivities. For those interested in the original scientific and technical literature, an annotated bibliography is available on request from [hidden email]. This report addresses issues such as the definition and prevalence of environmental sensitivities; recognition by medical authorities; education and training within the medical community; origins, triggers and symptoms of sensitivities; impact of environmental sensitivities in the workplace; government policies and standards for building codes, air quality and ventilation as they affect individuals with environmental sensitivities; and guidelines for accommodation within the workplace. For people with environmental sensitivities, their health and ability to work rests with the actions of others, including building managers, co-workers and clients. Accommodating people with environmental sensitivities presents an opportunity to improve workplace environmental quality and worker performance, and may help prevent the onset of sensitivities in others. To view the full report please connect to link below: Medical Perspective http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_hypersensibilitee/toc_tdm-eng.aspx For further information on environmental sensitivities, click on the following Commission publications: The Medical Perspective on Environmental Sensitivities http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/pdf/envsensitivity_en.pdf http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_hypersensibilitee/toc_tdm-eng.aspx ACCOMODATION FOR ENVIRONMENTAL SENSITIVITIES: LEGAL PERSPECTIVE By: Cara Wilkie and David Baker Abstract Environmental sensitivities are a group of poorly understood medical conditions that cause people to react adversely to environmental triggers. The Canadian Human Rights Commission commissioned this report, in which the researchers seek to establish the status of the issues related to environmental sensitivities from a legal perspective and as these relate to the protection of human rights. The researchers examined case law, consulted experts and examined secondary sources on accommodation of people with environmental sensitivities in Canada, the United States, Australia, New Zealand and the United Kingdom, in order to answer several questions in the Canadian context: What is the status of the case law in these jurisdictions? Do building codes act as barriers to people with environmental sensitivities? What best practices emerge from the case law? How are conflicting interests reconciled? How can third parties be involved in the accommodation process? Where is the threshold of undue hardship? How are conflicts regarding accommodation preferences resolved? To view the full report please connect to link below: Accomodation / Legal Perspective http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_legal_hypersensibilitee/toc_tdm-eng.aspx Accommodation for Environmental Sensitivities: Legal Perspective http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/pdf/legal_sensitivity_en.pdf References: http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_hypersensibilitee/page14-eng.aspx http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_legal_hypersensibilitee/toc_tdm-eng.aspx Ontario Human Rights Commission Policy & Guidlines on Disabiliy & the Duty to Accommodate http://www.ohrc.on.ca/en/resources/Policies/PolicyDisAccom2/pdf blessings Shan --- In [hidden email], Josephine Z <z.josephine@...> wrote: > > Aimee, I also live in > Canada.  While I have been a member for over one-month, this is my first > post and my introduction to the group. > > Unfortunately, the > apartment building where I live already has "the not so smart > meters". They were installed this year.  There is also lots of cell > phone antennas all over the city I live in.  > > > A few years ago I was > also diagnosed with fibro by my MD. I sought a second opinion from an > alternative doctor, whose specialty, amongst others, was treating his patients > who suffer from fibromyalgia. Although EMS is not yet fully accepted diagnosis > by the medical field, my osteopath (MD as well), after examining me, and after > hearing me tell the story of cell phone tower antennas having been installed > all over my community since the > mid-eighties without the public's knowledge, advised me that I was most likely > exposed to Electromagnetic Fields.  > > I am not sure whether the product you > mention is reliable or not... I know, for myself, it seems the only route to > take, was to detoxify...  If you want to know more, you can email me > privately. > > > In the meantime, did you google the product and what others say about it? >  > Josephine > > > ________________________________ > From: Aimee <ohkanaduh@...> > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 10:56:15 PM > Subject: [eSens] New member > > >  > Hello gang, > just to give some background on me, I am a nurse that was injured on the job. Not working now. The injury went to Myofascial Pain, Fibromyalgia and now Enviromental and Electrical Sensitivies. Are we having fun yet?? nope. > > I live in Canada. Our town is getting the Not-So-Smart-Meters and so far I have been able to keep them away , but it's only a matter of time before they install one and it's on a bedroom wall. I have tried a whole house 'harmonizer' (cause I forgot the correct word lol ) but my husband has a pacemaker and we found it too strong. We both had flu symptoms when I would plug it in! I have finally been able to tolerate the Pendant I got from the same place. > > Does anyone have any experience with Gia Products? or Earth Calm? other then that I don't have a clue what we can do to protect ourselves. I would love some ideas from those who have been there..... > thank you in advance > Aimee > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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My understanding is the legislature said that MCS was an "Environmental Illness" and that EMS was also sensitivities to part of the environment -- the same thing but sensitivities to frequencies instead of chemicals and they concluded that sensitivities to electromagnetic frequencies was just another kind of sensitivities - like some people with allergies react to dust and some are sensitive to grass and some are sensitive to corn,some react to eggs, some to milk, etc-- but dust, grass, corn,eggs,milk etc are all considered allergies. So chemicals and frequencies are all lumped together too and called MCS or an Environmental Illness.
Please do not ask me to understand this....... In the pdf files about MCS etc -- they do mention Fibro and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and say they are environmental illnesses -- but I get the impression that "they" again think that those disorders are part and parcel of MCS too.......the language in the legislature is is not as clear & specific though about Fibro and CFS as it is about EMS .... I suspect that because of that , "legally" there is room for argument.........regarding Fibro and CFS. In my experience not even all doctors whom specialize in Environmental Illnesses know about the legislature in 2007 --though they should. Policy on Environmental Sensitivities http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/legislation_policies/policy_environ_politique-eng.aspx If you find a mainstream medical doctor that knows that MCS and EMS are "official" environmental illnesses in Canada, well we are close to a miracle here in my perception......... Why don't you give to your doctors that url to the legislature http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/legislation_policies/policy_environ_politique-eng.aspx ; as it also contains links to the Medical & Legal pdf files and if they are truly interested they can download and read the pdf files. You can also give your doctors the 800 number to the federal office of the Human Rights Commission 1-888-643-3304 If a doctor won't stand behind his/her own diagnosis , then they are not very confident of their own abilities , in my perception. Medical doctors with spine and the character to stand behind what they say are in short supply in my experience. I can't help you with doctors whom are spineless - the only way I have ever been able to deal with them is to avoid them as much as possible...However in my experience most medical doctors are very very poorly informed - Environmental Illness doctors are generally better informed but not all of them --it takes a certain amount of work to be informed, plus if the doctors do not know something,they can ignore it. [[gee I am getting cynical!] I also get the feeling that the government really went out on a limb, so to speak, in their perception, with the legislature and ran out of guts/character so didn't strongly include Fibro and CFS........in other words , they got cold feet before they were properly finished......Still having even only MCS and EMS recognized is no small thing -- though now there are several other countries that also recognize MCS & EHS, like Sweden, Germany, Spain, France, Japan, etc And things are going in the right direction even in the States.......... EI [Environmental Illnesses] docs are board certified in at least 8 states in the USA , thus it is recognized in these states. Plus the courses for Environmental Illnesses are accredited by the AMA for CME. Thirty-six governors and mayors across America have already issued proclamations that May was Multiple Chemical Sensitivity and Toxic Injury Awareness Month in America in an effort to raise public awareness of the risks faced everyday by Americans living with multiple chemical sensitivity and toxic injury. This information is on at least 2 websites that I know of, just off of the top of my head at the moment - including a list of which governors and mayors etc and the signed proclamations If it was me; I would definitely inform all my doctors -- I will not help a doctor to hide his/her head in the sand....... regardless how well intentioned the doctor will sometimes be. We live in a reality and if we are going to get "effective" medical care and assistance then we have to be able to deal with what is real.....I am not saying it is easy .....I am saying that it is necessary. blessings Shan --- In [hidden email], Josephine Z <z.josephine@...> wrote: > > Thanks Shan.  > > When I told my family doctor, who diagnosed me with fibro that my osteopath said I was most likely inflicted with EMS, she said that, even so, it was not recognized in Canada, nor in BC.  This was in 2009.   My family doctor, although, believes it off record that I have EMS, she is not willing to put it on the record.  Whereas, I am doing better, I still need to move out from the city, sooner than later, so that the natural health protocol I am on will have a full effect.  In the meantime, you think I should let my MD know about the information you provided me with?  If EMS is an "official disability" than I wonder why the federal governemt is not recognizing fibro as an "official disability"? > > Josephine   > > > ________________________________ > From: bestsurprise2 <surpriseshan2@...> > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 11:43:24 AM > Subject: [eSens] Re: New member > > >  > Josephine are you aware that Electromagnetic Sensitivities is considered an "official" disability in Canada? it is considered to be an Environmental Illness and similar to MCS [Multiple Chemical Sensitivities]. If I remember correctly/I am pretty sure that Fibromyalgia [FM]and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome [CFS] are also Environmental Illnesses. > On the Canadian Human Rights Commission website http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/ they have a pdf file of the medical reasons why EMS is a disability as well as a pdf file of the legal reasons; plus also explaining that MCS and EMS have to be accommodated in Canada-- the legislature was passed in Jan/Feb of 2007 EMS is considered to be part of MCS. Plus since the disorder you have does quality as an "official" disability ,you also qualify for this > > CERA - Centre for Equality Rights in Accommodations > The Centre for Equality Rights in Accommodation (CERA) is the only organization in Canada dedicated to ending discrimination in housing and promoting human rights in housing. > CERA carries out this work through public education, research, law reform, human rights casework, test case litigation and using international human rights law and mechanisms. > If you have experienced discrimination related to your housing, call us at 1-800-263-1139 ext. 22. You can also e-mail us at intake@... > http://www.equalityrights.org/cera/ > > I live in Ottawa,Ontario and have a couple of times needed to inform a company that MCS [and also EMS] is an official disability and has to be accommodated in Canada. Some insurance companies in particular, in my experience, seem to not realize that MCS/EHS is an official disability in Canada. Some insurance companies like Halifax Insurance have a policy to accommodate disabilities regardless if they are "official " or not but others like The Co-operators attempt to insist that "insurance companies do not need to accommodate environmental sensitivities". I have been quite surprised a couple of times by how many people with environmental illnesses do not realize that they legally have to be accommodated. > I believe there is an organization in BC which has filed 2 class action lawsuits against smart meter companies -- one lawsuit is for the violation of human rights under the Canadian Charter of Human Rights and the other lawsuit liability for Personal Injury > > Canadian Human Rights Commission > National Office > 344 Slater Street, 8th Floor, Ottawa, Ontario K1A 1E1, Canada > Telephone: > (613) 995-1151 > Toll Free: 1-888-214-1090 > TTY: 1-888-643-3304 > Fax: (613) 996-9661 > Regional Offices > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/about/reach_us-eng.aspx > > --- > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_hypersensibilitee/page7-eng.aspx > > Electromagnetic radiation and fields > > "Electromagnetic radiation" covers a broad range of frequencies (over 20 orders of magnitude), from low frequencies in electricity supplies, radiowaves and microwaves, infrared and visible light, to x-rays and cosmic rays.224 Our limited understanding of the biological effects of the vast majority of frequencies gives reason for concern.225-230 Although there is still debate in this regard,231-233 tinnitus, brain tumours and acoustic neuroma are associated with cell phones and mobile phones. 234-237 > > Communications and radar antennae expose those who live or work near these installations to their emissions. The radiation travels through buildings, and can also be conducted along electrical wires or metal plumbing. Wireless communications create levels within buildings that are orders of magnitude higher than natural background levels.238 > > The World Health Organization (WHO) acknowledges the condition of electromagnetic sensitivity, and published a 2006 research agenda for radio-frequency fields.239 The WHO recommends that people reporting sensitivities receive a comprehensive health evaluation. It states: "Some studies suggest that certain physiological responses of EHS individuals tend to be outside the normal range. In particular, hyperactivity in the central nervous system and imbalance in the autonomic nervous system need to be followed up in clinical investigations and the results for the individuals taken as input for possible treatment." Studies of individuals with sensitivities ought to consider sufficient acclimatization of subjects as recommended by Joffres for chemical sensitivities,72 as well as recognition of individuals' wavelength-specific sensitivities. Reduction of electromagnetic radiation may ameliorate symptoms in people with chronic fatigue.240 > > It is worth noting that off-gassing of electrical equipment may also contribute to sensitivities.84 Different sorts of technology (e.g. various medical equipment, analogue or digital telephones; flat screen monitors and laptop computers or larger older monitors) may vary significantly in strength, frequency and pattern of electromagnetic fields.238 > ---- > THE MEDICAL PERSPECTIVE ON ENVIRONMENTAL SENSITIVITIES > By: Margaret E. Sears (M.Eng., Ph.D.) > Abstract > Approximately 3% of Canadians have been diagnosed with environmental sensitivities, and many more are somewhat sensitive to traces of chemicals and/or electromagnetic phenomena in the environment. People experience neurological and numerous other symptoms, and avoidance of triggers is an essential step to regaining health. The Canadian Human Rights Commission commissioned this report to summarize scientific information about environmental sensitivities. For those interested in the original scientific and technical literature, an annotated bibliography is available on request from environmentalhealthmed@... This report addresses issues such as the definition and prevalence of environmental sensitivities; recognition by medical authorities; education and training within the medical community; origins, triggers and symptoms of sensitivities; impact of environmental sensitivities in the workplace; government policies and standards for building codes, > air quality and ventilation as they affect individuals with environmental sensitivities; and guidelines for accommodation within the workplace. For people with environmental sensitivities, their health and ability to work rests with the actions of others, including building managers, co-workers and clients. Accommodating people with environmental sensitivities presents an opportunity to improve workplace environmental quality and worker performance, and may help prevent the onset of sensitivities in others. > > To view the full report please connect to link below: > Medical Perspective > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_hypersensibilitee/toc_tdm-eng.aspx > > For further information on environmental sensitivities, click on the following Commission publications: > The Medical Perspective on Environmental Sensitivities > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/pdf/envsensitivity_en.pdf > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_hypersensibilitee/toc_tdm-eng.aspx > > ACCOMODATION FOR ENVIRONMENTAL SENSITIVITIES: LEGAL PERSPECTIVE > By: Cara Wilkie and David Baker > Abstract > > Environmental sensitivities are a group of poorly understood medical conditions that cause people to react adversely to environmental triggers. The Canadian Human Rights Commission commissioned this report, in which the researchers seek to establish the status of the issues related to environmental sensitivities from a legal perspective and as these relate to the protection of human rights. The researchers examined case law, consulted experts and examined secondary sources on accommodation of people with environmental sensitivities in Canada, the United States, Australia, New Zealand and the United Kingdom, in order to answer several questions in the Canadian context: What is the status of the case law in these jurisdictions? Do building codes act as barriers to people with environmental sensitivities? What best practices emerge from the case law? How are conflicting interests reconciled? How can third parties be involved in the accommodation process? > Where is the threshold of undue hardship? How are conflicts regarding accommodation preferences resolved? > > To view the full report please connect to link below: > Accomodation / Legal Perspective > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_legal_hypersensibilitee/toc_tdm-eng.aspx > > Accommodation for Environmental Sensitivities: Legal Perspective > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/pdf/legal_sensitivity_en.pdf > References: http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_hypersensibilitee/page14-eng.aspx > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_legal_hypersensibilitee/toc_tdm-eng.aspx > > Ontario Human Rights Commission Policy & Guidlines on Disabiliy & the Duty to Accommodate > http://www.ohrc.on.ca/en/resources/Policies/PolicyDisAccom2/pdf > > blessings > Shan > > --- In [hidden email], Josephine Z <z.josephine@> wrote: > > > > Aimee, I also live in > > Canada. àWhile I have been a member for over one-month, this is my first > > post and my introduction to the group.à> > > > Unfortunately, the > > apartment building where I live already has "the not so smart > > meters". They were installed this year. àThere is also lots of cell > > phone antennas all over the city I live in. à> > > > > > A few years ago I was > > also diagnosed with fibro by my MD. I sought a second opinion from an > > alternative doctor, whose specialty, amongst others, was treating his patients > > who suffer from fibromyalgia. Although EMS is not yet fully accepted diagnosis > > by the medical field, my osteopath (MD as well), after examining me, and after > > hearing me tell the story of cell phone tower antennas having been installed > > all over myàcommunity since the > > mid-eighties without the public's knowledge, advised me that I was most likely > > exposed to Electromagnetic Fields. à> > > > I am not sure whether the product you > > mention is reliable or not... I know, for myself, it seems the only route to > > take, was to detoxify... àIf you want to know more, you can email me > > privately.à> > > > > > In the meantime,àdid you google the product and what others say about it? > > à> > Josephine > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Aimee <ohkanaduh@> > > To: [hidden email] > > Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 10:56:15 PM > > Subject: [eSens] New member > > > > > > à> > Hello gang, > > just to give some background on me, I am a nurse that was injured on the job. Not working now. The injury went to Myofascial Pain, Fibromyalgia and now Enviromental and Electrical Sensitivies. Are we having fun yet?? nope. > > > > I live in Canada. Our town is getting the Not-So-Smart-Meters and so far I have been able to keep them away , but it's only a matter of time before they install one and it's on a bedroom wall. I have tried a whole house 'harmonizer' (cause I forgot the correct word lol ) but my husband has a pacemaker and we found it too strong. We both had flu symptoms when I would plug it in! I have finally been able to tolerate the Pendant I got from the same place. > > > > Does anyone have any experience with Gia Products? or Earth Calm? other then that I don't have a clue what we can do to protect ourselves. I would love some ideas from those who have been there..... > > thank you in advance > > Aimee > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |
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Hi Aimee,
Agree that there is not much we can do with the smart meters, even when we contact our MLA, they won't rock the boat. And I agree that being declared disabled is not going to help with the pain... What it would do however is provide you with insurance and perhaps a tax reduction at the end of the year. In the meantime, fibromyalgia and ems can be reversed (or at least have much less pain)... I know that for myself, once I found out my condition, I knew that I needed to take serious action. BTW I live in Vancouver, where are you in BC? Josephine ________________________________ From: Aimee <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 2:53:58 PM Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: New member Hi all and thank you for the welcomes. Josephine and Shan : I just want to comment that when I knew the Smart Meters were coming, I got ahold of my MLA and spoke with them . I asked if they knew of any way that I could refuse it permanently and she said nothing legal that she knew of! Now you would think that the MLA office would know about this wouldn't they?? Sorry but I dont have time right now to read all the links Shan provided, but the question that I have is...... even if fibro/ em / mcs get put on the disability list, what does that really boil down to?? What good is it to be declared disabled due to these conditions, if BC Hydro for example is allowed to just proceed with their agenda with business as usual???? I know there is a website called stopsmartmeters.ca that I have joined but am unaware of any class action suits. I will be checking into it.... thanks again Shan. Come to think of it, the former premier of BC Vanderzalm is recorded on this website... being in government he should be doing more for us then recording his opposition lol. I'm afraid its a case of "you can't fight city hall". Co Operators insurance company fights any and everything. I had my go rounds with them plenty. They are useless. Marc what I tried was Scalar Home Protection System from earthcalm. I tried the few minutes on few off gradual 'doses' and I just didnt like that it made me feel edgy, crabby as well as flu like. I also have fibro and it made no sense to persist. One great thing about the company is their refund policy. No problems at all with that. I kept and am faithful to wearing all the time my Nova Scalar Resonator Pendant from the same company. One tip that Vivint, my security alarm system company told me about..... if electronics bother a person, tape copper pennies to the appliance. The penny has to be before 1994 because after that year, it isn't true copper anymore. I think copper is the main component in Q-Link, which I tried but had no luck with. So now I have alot of pennies taped to everything in the house :). To be honest, I truely think it helps!! I'm sorry if I didn't answer all of your questions but I am so pressed for time at this moment. thanks and take care Aimee in BC --- On Mon, 7/30/12, Josephine Z <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Josephine Z <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: New member To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> Date: Monday, July 30, 2012, 3:16 PM Thanks Shan. When I told my family doctor, who diagnosed me with fibro that my osteopath said I was most likely inflicted with EMS, she said that, even so, it was not recognized in Canada, nor in BC. This was in 2009. My family doctor, although, believes it off record that I have EMS, she is not willing to put it on the record. Whereas, I am doing better, I still need to move out from the city, sooner than later, so that the natural health protocol I am on will have a full effect. In the meantime, you think I should let my MD know about the information you provided me with? If EMS is an "official disability" than I wonder why the federal governemt is not recognizing fibro as an "official disability"? Josephine ________________________________ From: bestsurprise2 <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 11:43:24 AM Subject: [eSens] Re: New member Josephine are you aware that Electromagnetic Sensitivities is considered an "official" disability in Canada? it is considered to be an Environmental Illness and similar to MCS [Multiple Chemical Sensitivities]. If I remember correctly/I am pretty sure that Fibromyalgia [FM]and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome [CFS] are also Environmental Illnesses. On the Canadian Human Rights Commission website http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/ they have a pdf file of the medical reasons why EMS is a disability as well as a pdf file of the legal reasons; plus also explaining that MCS and EMS have to be accommodated in Canada-- the legislature was passed in Jan/Feb of 2007 EMS is considered to be part of MCS. Plus since the disorder you have does quality as an "official" disability ,you also qualify for this CERA - Centre for Equality Rights in Accommodations The Centre for Equality Rights in Accommodation (CERA) is the only organization in Canada dedicated to ending discrimination in housing and promoting human rights in housing. CERA carries out this work through public education, research, law reform, human rights casework, test case litigation and using international human rights law and mechanisms. If you have experienced discrimination related to your housing, call us at 1-800-263-1139 ext. 22. You can also e-mail us at [hidden email] http://www.equalityrights.org/cera/ I live in Ottawa,Ontario and have a couple of times needed to inform a company that MCS [and also EMS] is an official disability and has to be accommodated in Canada. Some insurance companies in particular, in my experience, seem to not realize that MCS/EHS is an official disability in Canada. Some insurance companies like Halifax Insurance have a policy to accommodate disabilities regardless if they are "official " or not but others like The Co-operators attempt to insist that "insurance companies do not need to accommodate environmental sensitivities". I have been quite surprised a couple of times by how many people with environmental illnesses do not realize that they legally have to be accommodated. I believe there is an organization in BC which has filed 2 class action lawsuits against smart meter companies -- one lawsuit is for the violation of human rights under the Canadian Charter of Human Rights and the other lawsuit liability for Personal Injury Canadian Human Rights Commission National Office 344 Slater Street, 8th Floor, Ottawa, Ontario K1A 1E1, Canada Telephone: (613) 995-1151 Toll Free: 1-888-214-1090 TTY: 1-888-643-3304 Fax: (613) 996-9661 Regional Offices http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/about/reach_us-eng.aspx --- http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_hypersensibilitee/page7-eng.aspx Electromagnetic radiation and fields "Electromagnetic radiation" covers a broad range of frequencies (over 20 orders of magnitude), from low frequencies in electricity supplies, radiowaves and microwaves, infrared and visible light, to x-rays and cosmic rays.224 Our limited understanding of the biological effects of the vast majority of frequencies gives reason for concern.225-230 Although there is still debate in this regard,231-233 tinnitus, brain tumours and acoustic neuroma are associated with cell phones and mobile phones. 234-237 Communications and radar antennae expose those who live or work near these installations to their emissions. The radiation travels through buildings, and can also be conducted along electrical wires or metal plumbing. Wireless communications create levels within buildings that are orders of magnitude higher than natural background levels.238 The World Health Organization (WHO) acknowledges the condition of electromagnetic sensitivity, and published a 2006 research agenda for radio-frequency fields.239 The WHO recommends that people reporting sensitivities receive a comprehensive health evaluation. It states: "Some studies suggest that certain physiological responses of EHS individuals tend to be outside the normal range. In particular, hyperactivity in the central nervous system and imbalance in the autonomic nervous system need to be followed up in clinical investigations and the results for the individuals taken as input for possible treatment." Studies of individuals with sensitivities ought to consider sufficient acclimatization of subjects as recommended by Joffres for chemical sensitivities,72 as well as recognition of individuals' wavelength-specific sensitivities. Reduction of electromagnetic radiation may ameliorate symptoms in people with chronic fatigue.240 It is worth noting that off-gassing of electrical equipment may also contribute to sensitivities.84 Different sorts of technology (e.g. various medical equipment, analogue or digital telephones; flat screen monitors and laptop computers or larger older monitors) may vary significantly in strength, frequency and pattern of electromagnetic fields.238 ---- THE MEDICAL PERSPECTIVE ON ENVIRONMENTAL SENSITIVITIES By: Margaret E. Sears (M.Eng., Ph.D.) Abstract Approximately 3% of Canadians have been diagnosed with environmental sensitivities, and many more are somewhat sensitive to traces of chemicals and/or electromagnetic phenomena in the environment. People experience neurological and numerous other symptoms, and avoidance of triggers is an essential step to regaining health. The Canadian Human Rights Commission commissioned this report to summarize scientific information about environmental sensitivities. For those interested in the original scientific and technical literature, an annotated bibliography is available on request from [hidden email]. This report addresses issues such as the definition and prevalence of environmental sensitivities; recognition by medical authorities; education and training within the medical community; origins, triggers and symptoms of sensitivities; impact of environmental sensitivities in the workplace; government policies and standards for building codes, air quality and ventilation as they affect individuals with environmental sensitivities; and guidelines for accommodation within the workplace. For people with environmental sensitivities, their health and ability to work rests with the actions of others, including building managers, co-workers and clients. Accommodating people with environmental sensitivities presents an opportunity to improve workplace environmental quality and worker performance, and may help prevent the onset of sensitivities in others. To view the full report please connect to link below: Medical Perspective http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_hypersensibilitee/toc_tdm-eng.aspx For further information on environmental sensitivities, click on the following Commission publications: The Medical Perspective on Environmental Sensitivities http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/pdf/envsensitivity_en.pdf http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_hypersensibilitee/toc_tdm-eng.aspx ACCOMODATION FOR ENVIRONMENTAL SENSITIVITIES: LEGAL PERSPECTIVE By: Cara Wilkie and David Baker Abstract Environmental sensitivities are a group of poorly understood medical conditions that cause people to react adversely to environmental triggers. The Canadian Human Rights Commission commissioned this report, in which the researchers seek to establish the status of the issues related to environmental sensitivities from a legal perspective and as these relate to the protection of human rights. The researchers examined case law, consulted experts and examined secondary sources on accommodation of people with environmental sensitivities in Canada, the United States, Australia, New Zealand and the United Kingdom, in order to answer several questions in the Canadian context: What is the status of the case law in these jurisdictions? Do building codes act as barriers to people with environmental sensitivities? What best practices emerge from the case law? How are conflicting interests reconciled? How can third parties be involved in the accommodation process? Where is the threshold of undue hardship? How are conflicts regarding accommodation preferences resolved? To view the full report please connect to link below: Accomodation / Legal Perspective http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_legal_hypersensibilitee/toc_tdm-eng.aspx Accommodation for Environmental Sensitivities: Legal Perspective http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/pdf/legal_sensitivity_en.pdf References: http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_hypersensibilitee/page14-eng.aspx http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_legal_hypersensibilitee/toc_tdm-eng.aspx Ontario Human Rights Commission Policy & Guidlines on Disabiliy & the Duty to Accommodate http://www.ohrc.on.ca/en/resources/Policies/PolicyDisAccom2/pdf blessings Shan --- In [hidden email], Josephine Z <z.josephine@...> wrote: > > Aimee, I also live in > Canada.  While I have been a member for over one-month, this is my first > post and my introduction to the group. > > Unfortunately, the > apartment building where I live already has "the not so smart > meters". They were installed this year.  There is also lots of cell > phone antennas all over the city I live in.  > > > A few years ago I was > also diagnosed with fibro by my MD. I sought a second opinion from an > alternative doctor, whose specialty, amongst others, was treating his patients > who suffer from fibromyalgia. Although EMS is not yet fully accepted diagnosis > by the medical field, my osteopath (MD as well), after examining me, and after > hearing me tell the story of cell phone tower antennas having been installed > all over my community since the > mid-eighties without the public's knowledge, advised me that I was most likely > exposed to Electromagnetic Fields.  > > I am not sure whether the product you > mention is reliable or not... I know, for myself, it seems the only route to > take, was to detoxify...  If you want to know more, you can email me > privately. > > > In the meantime, did you google the product and what others say about it? >  > Josephine > > > ________________________________ > From: Aimee <ohkanaduh@...> > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 10:56:15 PM > Subject: [eSens] New member > > >  > Hello gang, > just to give some background on me, I am a nurse that was injured on the job. Not working now. The injury went to Myofascial Pain, Fibromyalgia and now Enviromental and Electrical Sensitivies. Are we having fun yet?? nope. > > I live in Canada. Our town is getting the Not-So-Smart-Meters and so far I have been able to keep them away , but it's only a matter of time before they install one and it's on a bedroom wall. I have tried a whole house 'harmonizer' (cause I forgot the correct word lol ) but my husband has a pacemaker and we found it too strong. We both had flu symptoms when I would plug it in! I have finally been able to tolerate the Pendant I got from the same place. > > Does anyone have any experience with Gia Products? or Earth Calm? other then that I don't have a clue what we can do to protect ourselves. I would love some ideas from those who have been there..... > thank you in advance > Aimee > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Thanks Shan... I will try to see whether my family doctor is prepared to give me her email address so I can send her the links... Many doctors prefer putting their head in the sand, but there is no harm in trying...
Josephine ________________________________ From: bestsurprise2 <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 4:56:30 PM Subject: [eSens] Re: New member My understanding is the legislature said that MCS was an "Environmental Illness" and that EMS was also sensitivities to part of the environment -- the same thing but sensitivities to frequencies instead of chemicals and they concluded that sensitivities to electromagnetic frequencies was just another kind of sensitivities - like some people with allergies react to dust and some are sensitive to grass and some are sensitive to corn,some react to eggs, some to milk, etc-- but dust, grass, corn,eggs,milk etc are all considered allergies. So chemicals and frequencies are all lumped together too and called MCS or an Environmental Illness. Please do not ask me to understand this....... In the pdf files about MCS etc -- they do mention Fibro and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and say they are environmental illnesses -- but I get the impression that "they" again think that those disorders are part and parcel of MCS too.......the language in the legislature is is not as clear & specific though about Fibro and CFS as it is about EMS .... I suspect that because of that , "legally" there is room for argument.........regarding Fibro and CFS. In my experience not even all doctors whom specialize in Environmental Illnesses know about the legislature in 2007 --though they should. Policy on Environmental Sensitivities http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/legislation_policies/policy_environ_politique-eng.aspx If you find a mainstream medical doctor that knows that MCS and EMS are "official" environmental illnesses in Canada, well we are close to a miracle here in my perception......... Why don't you give to your doctors that url to the legislature http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/legislation_policies/policy_environ_politique-eng.aspx ; as it also contains links to the Medical & Legal pdf files and if they are truly interested they can download and read the pdf files. You can also give your doctors the 800 number to the federal office of the Human Rights Commission 1-888-643-3304 If a doctor won't stand behind his/her own diagnosis , then they are not very confident of their own abilities , in my perception. Medical doctors with spine and the character to stand behind what they say are in short supply in my experience. I can't help you with doctors whom are spineless - the only way I have ever been able to deal with them is to avoid them as much as possible...However in my experience most medical doctors are very very poorly informed - Environmental Illness doctors are generally better informed but not all of them --it takes a certain amount of work to be informed, plus if the doctors do not know something,they can ignore it. [[gee I am getting cynical!] I also get the feeling that the government really went out on a limb, so to speak, in their perception, with the legislature and ran out of guts/character so didn't strongly include Fibro and CFS........in other words , they got cold feet before they were properly finished......Still having even only MCS and EMS recognized is no small thing -- though now there are several other countries that also recognize MCS & EHS, like Sweden, Germany, Spain, France, Japan, etc And things are going in the right direction even in the States.......... EI [Environmental Illnesses] docs are board certified in at least 8 states in the USA , thus it is recognized in these states. Plus the courses for Environmental Illnesses are accredited by the AMA for CME. Thirty-six governors and mayors across America have already issued proclamations that May was Multiple Chemical Sensitivity and Toxic Injury Awareness Month in America in an effort to raise public awareness of the risks faced everyday by Americans living with multiple chemical sensitivity and toxic injury. This information is on at least 2 websites that I know of, just off of the top of my head at the moment - including a list of which governors and mayors etc and the signed proclamations If it was me; I would definitely inform all my doctors -- I will not help a doctor to hide his/her head in the sand....... regardless how well intentioned the doctor will sometimes be. We live in a reality and if we are going to get "effective" medical care and assistance then we have to be able to deal with what is real.....I am not saying it is easy .....I am saying that it is necessary. blessings Shan --- In [hidden email], Josephine Z <z.josephine@...> wrote: > > Thanks Shan.  > > When I told my family doctor, who diagnosed me with fibro that my osteopath said I was most likely inflicted with EMS, she said that, even so, it was not recognized in Canada, nor in BC.  This was in 2009.   My family doctor, although, believes it off record that I have EMS, she is not willing to put it on the record.  Whereas, I am doing better, I still need to move out from the city, sooner than later, so that the natural health protocol I am on will have a full effect.  In the meantime, you think I should let my MD know about the information you provided me with?  If EMS is an "official disability" than I wonder why the federal governemt is not recognizing fibro as an "official disability"? > > Josephine   > > > ________________________________ > From: bestsurprise2 <surpriseshan2@...> > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 11:43:24 AM > Subject: [eSens] Re: New member > > >  > Josephine are you aware that Electromagnetic Sensitivities is considered an "official" disability in Canada? it is considered to be an Environmental Illness and similar to MCS [Multiple Chemical Sensitivities]. If I remember correctly/I am pretty sure that Fibromyalgia [FM]and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome [CFS] are also Environmental Illnesses. > On the Canadian Human Rights Commission website http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/ they have a pdf file of the medical reasons why EMS is a disability as well as a pdf file of the legal reasons; plus also explaining that MCS and EMS have to be accommodated in Canada-- the legislature was passed in Jan/Feb of 2007 EMS is considered to be part of MCS. Plus since the disorder you have does quality as an "official" disability ,you also qualify for this > > CERA - Centre for Equality Rights in Accommodations > The Centre for Equality Rights in Accommodation (CERA) is the only organization in Canada dedicated to ending discrimination in housing and promoting human rights in housing. > CERA carries out this work through public education, research, law reform, human rights casework, test case litigation and using international human rights law and mechanisms. > If you have experienced discrimination related to your housing, call us at 1-800-263-1139 ext. 22. You can also e-mail us at intake@... > http://www.equalityrights.org/cera/ > > I live in Ottawa,Ontario and have a couple of times needed to inform a company that MCS [and also EMS] is an official disability and has to be accommodated in Canada. Some insurance companies in particular, in my experience, seem to not realize that MCS/EHS is an official disability in Canada. Some insurance companies like Halifax Insurance have a policy to accommodate disabilities regardless if they are "official " or not but others like The Co-operators attempt to insist that "insurance companies do not need to accommodate environmental sensitivities". I have been quite surprised a couple of times by how many people with environmental illnesses do not realize that they legally have to be accommodated. > I believe there is an organization in BC which has filed 2 class action lawsuits against smart meter companies -- one lawsuit is for the violation of human rights under the Canadian Charter of Human Rights and the other lawsuit liability for Personal Injury > > Canadian Human Rights Commission > National Office > 344 Slater Street, 8th Floor, Ottawa, Ontario K1A 1E1, Canada > Telephone: > (613) 995-1151 > Toll Free: 1-888-214-1090 > TTY: 1-888-643-3304 > Fax: (613) 996-9661 > Regional Offices > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/about/reach_us-eng.aspx > > --- > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_hypersensibilitee/page7-eng.aspx > > Electromagnetic radiation and fields > > "Electromagnetic radiation" covers a broad range of frequencies (over 20 orders of magnitude), from low frequencies in electricity supplies, radiowaves and microwaves, infrared and visible light, to x-rays and cosmic rays.224 Our limited understanding of the biological effects of the vast majority of frequencies gives reason for concern.225-230 Although there is still debate in this regard,231-233 tinnitus, brain tumours and acoustic neuroma are associated with cell phones and mobile phones. 234-237 > > Communications and radar antennae expose those who live or work near these installations to their emissions. The radiation travels through buildings, and can also be conducted along electrical wires or metal plumbing. Wireless communications create levels within buildings that are orders of magnitude higher than natural background levels.238 > > The World Health Organization (WHO) acknowledges the condition of electromagnetic sensitivity, and published a 2006 research agenda for radio-frequency fields.239 The WHO recommends that people reporting sensitivities receive a comprehensive health evaluation. It states: "Some studies suggest that certain physiological responses of EHS individuals tend to be outside the normal range. In particular, hyperactivity in the central nervous system and imbalance in the autonomic nervous system need to be followed up in clinical investigations and the results for the individuals taken as input for possible treatment." Studies of individuals with sensitivities ought to consider sufficient acclimatization of subjects as recommended by Joffres for chemical sensitivities,72 as well as recognition of individuals' wavelength-specific sensitivities. Reduction of electromagnetic radiation may ameliorate symptoms in people with chronic fatigue.240 > > It is worth noting that off-gassing of electrical equipment may also contribute to sensitivities.84 Different sorts of technology (e.g. various medical equipment, analogue or digital telephones; flat screen monitors and laptop computers or larger older monitors) may vary significantly in strength, frequency and pattern of electromagnetic fields.238 > ---- > THE MEDICAL PERSPECTIVE ON ENVIRONMENTAL SENSITIVITIES > By: Margaret E. Sears (M.Eng., Ph.D.) > Abstract > Approximately 3% of Canadians have been diagnosed with environmental sensitivities, and many more are somewhat sensitive to traces of chemicals and/or electromagnetic phenomena in the environment. People experience neurological and numerous other symptoms, and avoidance of triggers is an essential step to regaining health. The Canadian Human Rights Commission commissioned this report to summarize scientific information about environmental sensitivities. For those interested in the original scientific and technical literature, an annotated bibliography is available on request from environmentalhealthmed@... This report addresses issues such as the definition and prevalence of environmental sensitivities; recognition by medical authorities; education and training within the medical community; origins, triggers and symptoms of sensitivities; impact of environmental sensitivities in the workplace; government policies and standards for building codes, > air quality and ventilation as they affect individuals with environmental sensitivities; and guidelines for accommodation within the workplace. For people with environmental sensitivities, their health and ability to work rests with the actions of others, including building managers, co-workers and clients. Accommodating people with environmental sensitivities presents an opportunity to improve workplace environmental quality and worker performance, and may help prevent the onset of sensitivities in others. > > To view the full report please connect to link below: > Medical Perspective > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_hypersensibilitee/toc_tdm-eng.aspx > > For further information on environmental sensitivities, click on the following Commission publications: > The Medical Perspective on Environmental Sensitivities > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/pdf/envsensitivity_en.pdf > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_hypersensibilitee/toc_tdm-eng.aspx > > ACCOMODATION FOR ENVIRONMENTAL SENSITIVITIES: LEGAL PERSPECTIVE > By: Cara Wilkie and David Baker > Abstract > > Environmental sensitivities are a group of poorly understood medical conditions that cause people to react adversely to environmental triggers. The Canadian Human Rights Commission commissioned this report, in which the researchers seek to establish the status of the issues related to environmental sensitivities from a legal perspective and as these relate to the protection of human rights. The researchers examined case law, consulted experts and examined secondary sources on accommodation of people with environmental sensitivities in Canada, the United States, Australia, New Zealand and the United Kingdom, in order to answer several questions in the Canadian context: What is the status of the case law in these jurisdictions? Do building codes act as barriers to people with environmental sensitivities? What best practices emerge from the case law? How are conflicting interests reconciled? How can third parties be involved in the accommodation process? > Where is the threshold of undue hardship? How are conflicts regarding accommodation preferences resolved? > > To view the full report please connect to link below: > Accomodation / Legal Perspective > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_legal_hypersensibilitee/toc_tdm-eng.aspx > > Accommodation for Environmental Sensitivities: Legal Perspective > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/pdf/legal_sensitivity_en.pdf > References: http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_hypersensibilitee/page14-eng.aspx > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_legal_hypersensibilitee/toc_tdm-eng.aspx > > Ontario Human Rights Commission Policy & Guidlines on Disabiliy & the Duty to Accommodate > http://www.ohrc.on.ca/en/resources/Policies/PolicyDisAccom2/pdf > > blessings > Shan > > --- In [hidden email], Josephine Z <z.josephine@> wrote: > > > > Aimee, I also live in > > Canada.  While I have been a member for over one-month, this is my first > > post and my introduction to the group. > > > > Unfortunately, the > > apartment building where I live already has "the not so smart > > meters". They were installed this year.  There is also lots of cell > > phone antennas all over the city I live in.  > > > > > > A few years ago I was > > also diagnosed with fibro by my MD. I sought a second opinion from an > > alternative doctor, whose specialty, amongst others, was treating his patients > > who suffer from fibromyalgia. Although EMS is not yet fully accepted diagnosis > > by the medical field, my osteopath (MD as well), after examining me, and after > > hearing me tell the story of cell phone tower antennas having been installed > > all over my community since the > > mid-eighties without the public's knowledge, advised me that I was most likely > > exposed to Electromagnetic Fields.  > > > > I am not sure whether the product you > > mention is reliable or not... I know, for myself, it seems the only route to > > take, was to detoxify...  If you want to know more, you can email me > > privately. > > > > > > In the meantime, did you google the product and what others say about it? > >  > > Josephine > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Aimee <ohkanaduh@> > > To: [hidden email] > > Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 10:56:15 PM > > Subject: [eSens] New member > > > > > >  > > Hello gang, > > just to give some background on me, I am a nurse that was injured on the job. Not working now. The injury went to Myofascial Pain, Fibromyalgia and now Enviromental and Electrical Sensitivies. Are we having fun yet?? nope. > > > > I live in Canada. Our town is getting the Not-So-Smart-Meters and so far I have been able to keep them away , but it's only a matter of time before they install one and it's on a bedroom wall. I have tried a whole house 'harmonizer' (cause I forgot the correct word lol ) but my husband has a pacemaker and we found it too strong. We both had flu symptoms when I would plug it in! I have finally been able to tolerate the Pendant I got from the same place. > > > > Does anyone have any experience with Gia Products? or Earth Calm? other then that I don't have a clue what we can do to protect ourselves. I would love some ideas from those who have been there..... > > thank you in advance > > Aimee > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
Surely your doctor can take 5 minutes to phone the federal Human Rights Commission?
You can also print the links -- in fact print the webpage that has has the info on the policy of legislature and links to the medical and legal pdf files. Legislature Policy on Environmental Sensitivities http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/legislation_policies/policy_environ_politique-eng.aspx or if you are ambitious, you could print out this page which is an Overview of what is in the Medical reasons pdf - this also lists the contents http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_hypersensibilitee/toc_tdm-eng.aspx The contents even has a section on electromagnetic fields Electromagnetic radiation and fields Lighting Electromagnetic radiation arising from the use of electricity Summary And this shows the contents of the Legal reasons why those with environmental illness need to be accommodated. Accommodation for Environmental Sensitivities: Legal Perspective http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_legal_hypersensibilitee/toc_tdm-eng.aspx blessings Shan --- In [hidden email], Josephine Z <z.josephine@...> wrote: > > Thanks Shan... I will try to see whether my family doctor is prepared to give me her email address so I can send her the links... Many doctors prefer putting their head in the sand, but there is no harm in trying... > > Josephine > > > ________________________________ > From: bestsurprise2 <surpriseshan2@...> > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 4:56:30 PM > Subject: [eSens] Re: New member > > >  > My understanding is the legislature said that MCS was an "Environmental Illness" and that EMS was also sensitivities to part of the environment -- the same thing but sensitivities to frequencies instead of chemicals and they concluded that sensitivities to electromagnetic frequencies was just another kind of sensitivities - like some people with allergies react to dust and some are sensitive to grass and some are sensitive to corn,some react to eggs, some to milk, etc-- but dust, grass, corn,eggs,milk etc are all considered allergies. So chemicals and frequencies are all lumped together too and called MCS or an Environmental Illness. > Please do not ask me to understand this....... > > In the pdf files about MCS etc -- they do mention Fibro and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and say they are environmental illnesses -- but I get the impression that "they" again think that those disorders are part and parcel of MCS too.......the language in the legislature is is not as clear & specific though about Fibro and CFS as it is about EMS .... I suspect that because of that , "legally" there is room for argument.........regarding Fibro and CFS. > > In my experience not even all doctors whom specialize in Environmental Illnesses know about the legislature in 2007 --though they should. > Policy on Environmental Sensitivities > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/legislation_policies/policy_environ_politique-eng.aspx > > If you find a mainstream medical doctor that knows that MCS and EMS are "official" environmental illnesses in Canada, well we are close to a miracle here in my perception......... > > Why don't you give to your doctors that url to the legislature http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/legislation_policies/policy_environ_politique-eng.aspx ; as it also contains links to the Medical & Legal pdf files and if they are truly interested they can download and read the pdf files. You can also give your doctors the 800 number to the federal office of the Human Rights Commission 1-888-643-3304 > > If a doctor won't stand behind his/her own diagnosis , then they are not very confident of their own abilities , in my perception. Medical doctors with spine and the character to stand behind what they say are in short supply in my experience. I can't help you with doctors whom are spineless - the only way I have ever been able to deal with them is to avoid them as much as possible...However in my experience most medical doctors are very very poorly informed - Environmental Illness doctors are generally better informed but not all of them --it takes a certain amount of work to be informed, plus if the doctors do not know something,they can ignore it. [[gee I am getting cynical!] > > I also get the feeling that the government really went out on a limb, so to speak, in their perception, with the legislature and ran out of guts/character so didn't strongly include Fibro and CFS........in other words , they got cold feet before they were properly finished......Still having even only MCS and EMS recognized is no small thing -- though now there are several other countries that also recognize MCS & EHS, like Sweden, Germany, Spain, France, Japan, etc And things are going in the right direction even in the States.......... > > EI [Environmental Illnesses] docs are board certified in at least 8 states in the USA , thus it is recognized in these states. Plus the courses for Environmental Illnesses are accredited by the AMA for CME. > > Thirty-six governors and mayors across America have already issued proclamations that May was Multiple Chemical Sensitivity and Toxic Injury Awareness Month in America in an effort to raise public awareness of the risks faced everyday by Americans living with multiple chemical sensitivity and toxic injury. > This information is on at least 2 websites that I know of, just off of the top of my head at the moment - including a list of which governors and mayors etc and the signed proclamations > > If it was me; I would definitely inform all my doctors -- I will not help a doctor to hide his/her head in the sand....... regardless how well intentioned the doctor will sometimes be. We live in a reality and if we are going to get "effective" medical care and assistance then we have to be able to deal with what is real.....I am not saying it is easy .....I am saying that it is necessary. > > blessings > Shan > > --- In [hidden email], Josephine Z <z.josephine@> wrote: > > > > Thanks Shan. à> > > > When I told my family doctor, who diagnosed me with fibro that my osteopath said I was most likely inflicted with EMS, she said that, even so, it was not recognized in Canada, nor in BC. àThis was in 2009. ààMy family doctor, although, believes it off record that I have EMS, she is not willing to put it on the record. àWhereas, I am doing better, I still need to move out from the city, sooner than later, so that the natural health protocol I am on will have a full effect. àIn the meantime, you think I should let my MD know about the information you provided me with? àIf EMS is an "official disability" than I wonder why the federal governemt is not recognizing fibro as an "official disability"? > > > > Josephine àà> > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: bestsurprise2 <surpriseshan2@> > > To: [hidden email] > > Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 11:43:24 AM > > Subject: [eSens] Re: New member > > > > > > à> > Josephine are you aware that Electromagnetic Sensitivities is considered an "official" disability in Canada? it is considered to be an Environmental Illness and similar to MCS [Multiple Chemical Sensitivities]. If I remember correctly/I am pretty sure that Fibromyalgia [FM]and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome [CFS] are also Environmental Illnesses. > > On the Canadian Human Rights Commission website http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/ they have a pdf file of the medical reasons why EMS is a disability as well as a pdf file of the legal reasons; plus also explaining that MCS and EMS have to be accommodated in Canada-- the legislature was passed in Jan/Feb of 2007 EMS is considered to be part of MCS. Plus since the disorder you have does quality as an "official" disability ,you also qualify for this > > > > CERA - Centre for Equality Rights in Accommodations > > The Centre for Equality Rights in Accommodation (CERA) is the only organization in Canada dedicated to ending discrimination in housing and promoting human rights in housing. > > CERA carries out this work through public education, research, law reform, human rights casework, test case litigation and using international human rights law and mechanisms. > > If you have experienced discrimination related to your housing, call us at 1-800-263-1139 ext. 22. You can also e-mail us at intake@ > > http://www.equalityrights.org/cera/ > > > > I live in Ottawa,Ontario and have a couple of times needed to inform a company that MCS [and also EMS] is an official disability and has to be accommodated in Canada. Some insurance companies in particular, in my experience, seem to not realize that MCS/EHS is an official disability in Canada. Some insurance companies like Halifax Insurance have a policy to accommodate disabilities regardless if they are "official " or not but others like The Co-operators attempt to insist that "insurance companies do not need to accommodate environmental sensitivities". I have been quite surprised a couple of times by how many people with environmental illnesses do not realize that they legally have to be accommodated. > > I believe there is an organization in BC which has filed 2 class action lawsuits against smart meter companies -- one lawsuit is for the violation of human rights under the Canadian Charter of Human Rights and the other lawsuit liability for Personal Injury > > > > Canadian Human Rights Commission > > National Office > > 344 Slater Street, 8th Floor, Ottawa, Ontario K1A 1E1, Canada > > Telephone: > > (613) 995-1151 > > Toll Free: 1-888-214-1090 > > TTY: 1-888-643-3304 > > Fax: (613) 996-9661 > > Regional Offices > > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/about/reach_us-eng.aspx > > > > --- > > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_hypersensibilitee/page7-eng.aspx > > > > Electromagnetic radiation and fields > > > > "Electromagnetic radiation" covers a broad range of frequencies (over 20 orders of magnitude), from low frequencies in electricity supplies, radiowaves and microwaves, infrared and visible light, to x-rays and cosmic rays.224 Our limited understanding of the biological effects of the vast majority of frequencies gives reason for concern.225-230 Although there is still debate in this regard,231-233 tinnitus, brain tumours and acoustic neuroma are associated with cell phones and mobile phones. 234-237 > > > > Communications and radar antennae expose those who live or work near these installations to their emissions. The radiation travels through buildings, and can also be conducted along electrical wires or metal plumbing. Wireless communications create levels within buildings that are orders of magnitude higher than natural background levels.238 > > > > The World Health Organization (WHO) acknowledges the condition of electromagnetic sensitivity, and published a 2006 research agenda for radio-frequency fields.239 The WHO recommends that people reporting sensitivities receive a comprehensive health evaluation. It states: "Some studies suggest that certain physiological responses of EHS individuals tend to be outside the normal range. In particular, hyperactivity in the central nervous system and imbalance in the autonomic nervous system need to be followed up in clinical investigations and the results for the individuals taken as input for possible treatment." Studies of individuals with sensitivities ought to consider sufficient acclimatization of subjects as recommended by Joffres for chemical sensitivities,72 as well as recognition of individuals' wavelength-specific sensitivities. Reduction of electromagnetic radiation may ameliorate symptoms in people with chronic fatigue.240 > > > > It is worth noting that off-gassing of electrical equipment may also contribute to sensitivities.84 Different sorts of technology (e.g. various medical equipment, analogue or digital telephones; flat screen monitors and laptop computers or larger older monitors) may vary significantly in strength, frequency and pattern of electromagnetic fields.238 > > ---- > > THE MEDICAL PERSPECTIVE ON ENVIRONMENTAL SENSITIVITIES > > By: Margaret E. Sears (M.Eng., Ph.D.) > > Abstract > > Approximately 3% of Canadians have been diagnosed with environmental sensitivities, and many more are somewhat sensitive to traces of chemicals and/or electromagnetic phenomena in the environment. People experience neurological and numerous other symptoms, and avoidance of triggers is an essential step to regaining health. The Canadian Human Rights Commission commissioned this report to summarize scientific information about environmental sensitivities. For those interested in the original scientific and technical literature, an annotated bibliography is available on request from environmentalhealthmed@ This report addresses issues such as the definition and prevalence of environmental sensitivities; recognition by medical authorities; education and training within the medical community; origins, triggers and symptoms of sensitivities; impact of environmental sensitivities in the workplace; government policies and standards for building codes, > > air quality and ventilation as they affect individuals with environmental sensitivities; and guidelines for accommodation within the workplace. For people with environmental sensitivities, their health and ability to work rests with the actions of others, including building managers, co-workers and clients. Accommodating people with environmental sensitivities presents an opportunity to improve workplace environmental quality and worker performance, and may help prevent the onset of sensitivities in others. > > > > To view the full report please connect to link below: > > Medical Perspective > > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_hypersensibilitee/toc_tdm-eng.aspx > > > > For further information on environmental sensitivities, click on the following Commission publications: > > The Medical Perspective on Environmental Sensitivities > > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/pdf/envsensitivity_en.pdf > > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_hypersensibilitee/toc_tdm-eng.aspx > > > > ACCOMODATION FOR ENVIRONMENTAL SENSITIVITIES: LEGAL PERSPECTIVE > > By: Cara Wilkie and David Baker > > Abstract > > > > Environmental sensitivities are a group of poorly understood medical conditions that cause people to react adversely to environmental triggers. The Canadian Human Rights Commission commissioned this report, in which the researchers seek to establish the status of the issues related to environmental sensitivities from a legal perspective and as these relate to the protection of human rights. The researchers examined case law, consulted experts and examined secondary sources on accommodation of people with environmental sensitivities in Canada, the United States, Australia, New Zealand and the United Kingdom, in order to answer several questions in the Canadian context: What is the status of the case law in these jurisdictions? Do building codes act as barriers to people with environmental sensitivities? What best practices emerge from the case law? How are conflicting interests reconciled? How can third parties be involved in the accommodation process? > > Where is the threshold of undue hardship? How are conflicts regarding accommodation preferences resolved? > > > > To view the full report please connect to link below: > > Accomodation / Legal Perspective > > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_legal_hypersensibilitee/toc_tdm-eng.aspx > > > > Accommodation for Environmental Sensitivities: Legal Perspective > > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/pdf/legal_sensitivity_en.pdf > > References: http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_hypersensibilitee/page14-eng.aspx > > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_legal_hypersensibilitee/toc_tdm-eng.aspx > > > > Ontario Human Rights Commission Policy & Guidlines on Disabiliy & the Duty to Accommodate > > http://www.ohrc.on.ca/en/resources/Policies/PolicyDisAccom2/pdf > > > > blessings > > Shan > > > > --- In [hidden email], Josephine Z <z.josephine@> wrote: > > > > > > Aimee, I also live in > > > Canada. ÃâàWhile I have been a member for over one-month, this is my first > > > post and my introduction to the group.Ãâà> > > > > > Unfortunately, the > > > apartment building where I live already has "the not so smart > > > meters". They were installed this year. ÃâàThere is also lots of cell > > > phone antennas all over the city I live in. Ãâà> > > > > > > > > A few years ago I was > > > also diagnosed with fibro by my MD. I sought a second opinion from an > > > alternative doctor, whose specialty, amongst others, was treating his patients > > > who suffer from fibromyalgia. Although EMS is not yet fully accepted diagnosis > > > by the medical field, my osteopath (MD as well), after examining me, and after > > > hearing me tell the story of cell phone tower antennas having been installed > > > all over myÃâàcommunity since the > > > mid-eighties without the public's knowledge, advised me that I was most likely > > > exposed to Electromagnetic Fields. Ãâà> > > > > > I am not sure whether the product you > > > mention is reliable or not... I know, for myself, it seems the only route to > > > take, was to detoxify... ÃâàIf you want to know more, you can email me > > > privately.Ãâà> > > > > > > > > In the meantime,Ãâàdid you google the product and what others say about it? > > > Ãâà> > > Josephine > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: Aimee <ohkanaduh@> > > > To: [hidden email] > > > Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 10:56:15 PM > > > Subject: [eSens] New member > > > > > > > > > Ãâà> > > Hello gang, > > > just to give some background on me, I am a nurse that was injured on the job. Not working now. The injury went to Myofascial Pain, Fibromyalgia and now Enviromental and Electrical Sensitivies. Are we having fun yet?? nope. > > > > > > I live in Canada. Our town is getting the Not-So-Smart-Meters and so far I have been able to keep them away , but it's only a matter of time before they install one and it's on a bedroom wall. I have tried a whole house 'harmonizer' (cause I forgot the correct word lol ) but my husband has a pacemaker and we found it too strong. We both had flu symptoms when I would plug it in! I have finally been able to tolerate the Pendant I got from the same place. > > > > > > Does anyone have any experience with Gia Products? or Earth Calm? other then that I don't have a clue what we can do to protect ourselves. I would love some ideas from those who have been there..... > > > thank you in advance > > > Aimee > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |
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Hi Shan and Josephine, Bravo Shan! I dont know which part I liked best: the I wont help a doctor hide their head in the sand or the I cant help you with spineless doctors!. Josephine: You state you are going to see if your family dr is willing to share her email address with you? Im hoping you have family support and if you do; perhaps a few phone calls from various family members would be in order. First to remind this family doctor that she is the employee and works for you! Second, to remind her/him that they have a DUTY to do NO harm. In essence, by choosing NOT to address this issue in a fair manner, they are sending a message to other patients that they do not abide by this credo. Especially as this is a recognized condition in your country, and I might add, it was a hard won victory. I have an Esser friend who lives in Florida, and an Environmental Dr signed his diagnosis Radiation damage. First time Ive ever known a Dr in the US to do this. Josephine, Shan is right. Youre going to have to be firm and not take NO for an answer. Politely but firmly state what you require. If need be, call this Drs office EVERY day until you succeed! Again, one does not need to be rude, just pleasantly firm as in : "I'm not going away until I get what I need!" Blessings, Lizzie To: [hidden email] From: [hidden email] Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 17:10:10 -0700 Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: New member Thanks Shan... I will try to see whether my family doctor is prepared to give me her email address so I can send her the links... Many doctors prefer putting their head in the sand, but there is no harm in trying... Josephine ________________________________ From: bestsurprise2 <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 4:56:30 PM Subject: [eSens] Re: New member My understanding is the legislature said that MCS was an "Environmental Illness" and that EMS was also sensitivities to part of the environment -- the same thing but sensitivities to frequencies instead of chemicals and they concluded that sensitivities to electromagnetic frequencies was just another kind of sensitivities - like some people with allergies react to dust and some are sensitive to grass and some are sensitive to corn,some react to eggs, some to milk, etc-- but dust, grass, corn,eggs,milk etc are all considered allergies. So chemicals and frequencies are all lumped together too and called MCS or an Environmental Illness. Please do not ask me to understand this....... In the pdf files about MCS etc -- they do mention Fibro and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and say they are environmental illnesses -- but I get the impression that "they" again think that those disorders are part and parcel of MCS too.......the language in the legislature is is not as clear & specific though about Fibro and CFS as it is about EMS .... I suspect that because of that , "legally" there is room for argument.........regarding Fibro and CFS. In my experience not even all doctors whom specialize in Environmental Illnesses know about the legislature in 2007 --though they should. Policy on Environmental Sensitivities http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/legislation_policies/policy_environ_politique-eng.aspx If you find a mainstream medical doctor that knows that MCS and EMS are "official" environmental illnesses in Canada, well we are close to a miracle here in my perception......... Why don't you give to your doctors that url to the legislature http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/legislation_policies/policy_environ_politique-eng.aspx ; as it also contains links to the Medical & Legal pdf files and if they are truly interested they can download and read the pdf files. You can also give your doctors the 800 number to the federal office of the Human Rights Commission 1-888-643-3304 If a doctor won't stand behind his/her own diagnosis , then they are not very confident of their own abilities , in my perception. Medical doctors with spine and the character to stand behind what they say are in short supply in my experience. I can't help you with doctors whom are spineless - the only way I have ever been able to deal with them is to avoid them as much as possible...However in my experience most medical doctors are very very poorly informed - Environmental Illness doctors are generally better informed but not all of them --it takes a certain amount of work to be informed, plus if the doctors do not know something,they can ignore it. [[gee I am getting cynical!] I also get the feeling that the government really went out on a limb, so to speak, in their perception, with the legislature and ran out of guts/character so didn't strongly include Fibro and CFS........in other words , they got cold feet before they were properly finished......Still having even only MCS and EMS recognized is no small thing -- though now there are several other countries that also recognize MCS & EHS, like Sweden, Germany, Spain, France, Japan, etc And things are going in the right direction even in the States.......... EI [Environmental Illnesses] docs are board certified in at least 8 states in the USA , thus it is recognized in these states. Plus the courses for Environmental Illnesses are accredited by the AMA for CME. Thirty-six governors and mayors across America have already issued proclamations that May was Multiple Chemical Sensitivity and Toxic Injury Awareness Month in America in an effort to raise public awareness of the risks faced everyday by Americans living with multiple chemical sensitivity and toxic injury. This information is on at least 2 websites that I know of, just off of the top of my head at the moment - including a list of which governors and mayors etc and the signed proclamations If it was me; I would definitely inform all my doctors -- I will not help a doctor to hide his/her head in the sand....... regardless how well intentioned the doctor will sometimes be. We live in a reality and if we are going to get "effective" medical care and assistance then we have to be able to deal with what is real.....I am not saying it is easy .....I am saying that it is necessary. blessings Shan --- In [hidden email], Josephine Z <z.josephine@...> wrote: > > Thanks Shan.  > > When I told my family doctor, who diagnosed me with fibro that my osteopath said I was most likely inflicted with EMS, she said that, even so, it was not recognized in Canada, nor in BC.  This was in 2009.   My family doctor, although, believes it off record that I have EMS, she is not willing to put it on the record.  Whereas, I am doing better, I still need to move out from the city, sooner than later, so that the natural health protocol I am on will have a full effect.  In the meantime, you think I should let my MD know about the information you provided me with?  If EMS is an "official disability" than I wonder why the federal governemt is not recognizing fibro as an "official disability"? > > Josephine   > > > ________________________________ > From: bestsurprise2 <surpriseshan2@...> > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 11:43:24 AM > Subject: [eSens] Re: New member > > >  > Josephine are you aware that Electromagnetic Sensitivities is considered an "official" disability in Canada? it is considered to be an Environmental Illness and similar to MCS [Multiple Chemical Sensitivities]. If I remember correctly/I am pretty sure that Fibromyalgia [FM]and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome [CFS] are also Environmental Illnesses. > On the Canadian Human Rights Commission website http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/ they have a pdf file of the medical reasons why EMS is a disability as well as a pdf file of the legal reasons; plus also explaining that MCS and EMS have to be accommodated in Canada-- the legislature was passed in Jan/Feb of 2007 EMS is considered to be part of MCS. Plus since the disorder you have does quality as an "official" disability ,you also qualify for this > > CERA - Centre for Equality Rights in Accommodations > The Centre for Equality Rights in Accommodation (CERA) is the only organization in Canada dedicated to ending discrimination in housing and promoting human rights in housing. > CERA carries out this work through public education, research, law reform, human rights casework, test case litigation and using international human rights law and mechanisms. > If you have experienced discrimination related to your housing, call us at 1-800-263-1139 ext. 22. You can also e-mail us at intake@... > http://www.equalityrights.org/cera/ > > I live in Ottawa,Ontario and have a couple of times needed to inform a company that MCS [and also EMS] is an official disability and has to be accommodated in Canada. Some insurance companies in particular, in my experience, seem to not realize that MCS/EHS is an official disability in Canada. Some insurance companies like Halifax Insurance have a policy to accommodate disabilities regardless if they are "official " or not but others like The Co-operators attempt to insist that "insurance companies do not need to accommodate environmental sensitivities". I have been quite surprised a couple of times by how many people with environmental illnesses do not realize that they legally have to be accommodated. > I believe there is an organization in BC which has filed 2 class action lawsuits against smart meter companies -- one lawsuit is for the violation of human rights under the Canadian Charter of Human Rights and the other lawsuit liability for Personal Injury > > Canadian Human Rights Commission > National Office > 344 Slater Street, 8th Floor, Ottawa, Ontario K1A 1E1, Canada > Telephone: > (613) 995-1151 > Toll Free: 1-888-214-1090 > TTY: 1-888-643-3304 > Fax: (613) 996-9661 > Regional Offices > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/about/reach_us-eng.aspx > > --- > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_hypersensibilitee/page7-eng.aspx > > Electromagnetic radiation and fields > > "Electromagnetic radiation" covers a broad range of frequencies (over 20 orders of magnitude), from low frequencies in electricity supplies, radiowaves and microwaves, infrared and visible light, to x-rays and cosmic rays.224 Our limited understanding of the biological effects of the vast majority of frequencies gives reason for concern.225-230 Although there is still debate in this regard,231-233 tinnitus, brain tumours and acoustic neuroma are associated with cell phones and mobile phones. 234-237 > > Communications and radar antennae expose those who live or work near these installations to their emissions. The radiation travels through buildings, and can also be conducted along electrical wires or metal plumbing. Wireless communications create levels within buildings that are orders of magnitude higher than natural background levels.238 > > The World Health Organization (WHO) acknowledges the condition of electromagnetic sensitivity, and published a 2006 research agenda for radio-frequency fields.239 The WHO recommends that people reporting sensitivities receive a comprehensive health evaluation. It states: "Some studies suggest that certain physiological responses of EHS individuals tend to be outside the normal range. In particular, hyperactivity in the central nervous system and imbalance in the autonomic nervous system need to be followed up in clinical investigations and the results for the individuals taken as input for possible treatment." Studies of individuals with sensitivities ought to consider sufficient acclimatization of subjects as recommended by Joffres for chemical sensitivities,72 as well as recognition of individuals' wavelength-specific sensitivities. Reduction of electromagnetic radiation may ameliorate symptoms in people with chronic fatigue.240 > > It is worth noting that off-gassing of electrical equipment may also contribute to sensitivities.84 Different sorts of technology (e.g. various medical equipment, analogue or digital telephones; flat screen monitors and laptop computers or larger older monitors) may vary significantly in strength, frequency and pattern of electromagnetic fields.238 > ---- > THE MEDICAL PERSPECTIVE ON ENVIRONMENTAL SENSITIVITIES > By: Margaret E. Sears (M.Eng., Ph.D.) > Abstract > Approximately 3% of Canadians have been diagnosed with environmental sensitivities, and many more are somewhat sensitive to traces of chemicals and/or electromagnetic phenomena in the environment. People experience neurological and numerous other symptoms, and avoidance of triggers is an essential step to regaining health. The Canadian Human Rights Commission commissioned this report to summarize scientific information about environmental sensitivities. For those interested in the original scientific and technical literature, an annotated bibliography is available on request from environmentalhealthmed@... This report addresses issues such as the definition and prevalence of environmental sensitivities; recognition by medical authorities; education and training within the medical community; origins, triggers and symptoms of sensitivities; impact of environmental sensitivities in the workplace; government policies and standards for building codes, > air quality and ventilation as they affect individuals with environmental sensitivities; and guidelines for accommodation within the workplace. For people with environmental sensitivities, their health and ability to work rests with the actions of others, including building managers, co-workers and clients. Accommodating people with environmental sensitivities presents an opportunity to improve workplace environmental quality and worker performance, and may help prevent the onset of sensitivities in others. > > To view the full report please connect to link below: > Medical Perspective > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_hypersensibilitee/toc_tdm-eng.aspx > > For further information on environmental sensitivities, click on the following Commission publications: > The Medical Perspective on Environmental Sensitivities > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/pdf/envsensitivity_en.pdf > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_hypersensibilitee/toc_tdm-eng.aspx > > ACCOMODATION FOR ENVIRONMENTAL SENSITIVITIES: LEGAL PERSPECTIVE > By: Cara Wilkie and David Baker > Abstract > > Environmental sensitivities are a group of poorly understood medical conditions that cause people to react adversely to environmental triggers. The Canadian Human Rights Commission commissioned this report, in which the researchers seek to establish the status of the issues related to environmental sensitivities from a legal perspective and as these relate to the protection of human rights. The researchers examined case law, consulted experts and examined secondary sources on accommodation of people with environmental sensitivities in Canada, the United States, Australia, New Zealand and the United Kingdom, in order to answer several questions in the Canadian context: What is the status of the case law in these jurisdictions? Do building codes act as barriers to people with environmental sensitivities? What best practices emerge from the case law? How are conflicting interests reconciled? How can third parties be involved in the accommodation process? > Where is the threshold of undue hardship? How are conflicts regarding accommodation preferences resolved? > > To view the full report please connect to link below: > Accomodation / Legal Perspective > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_legal_hypersensibilitee/toc_tdm-eng.aspx > > Accommodation for Environmental Sensitivities: Legal Perspective > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/pdf/legal_sensitivity_en.pdf > References: http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_hypersensibilitee/page14-eng.aspx > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_legal_hypersensibilitee/toc_tdm-eng.aspx > > Ontario Human Rights Commission Policy & Guidlines on Disabiliy & the Duty to Accommodate > http://www.ohrc.on.ca/en/resources/Policies/PolicyDisAccom2/pdf > > blessings > Shan > > --- In [hidden email], Josephine Z <z.josephine@> wrote: > > > > Aimee, I also live in > > Canada. àWhile I have been a member for over one-month, this is my first > > post and my introduction to the group.à> > > > Unfortunately, the > > apartment building where I live already has "the not so smart > > meters". They were installed this year. àThere is also lots of cell > > phone antennas all over the city I live in. à> > > > > > A few years ago I was > > also diagnosed with fibro by my MD. I sought a second opinion from an > > alternative doctor, whose specialty, amongst others, was treating his patients > > who suffer from fibromyalgia. Although EMS is not yet fully accepted diagnosis > > by the medical field, my osteopath (MD as well), after examining me, and after > > hearing me tell the story of cell phone tower antennas having been installed > > all over myàcommunity since the > > mid-eighties without the public's knowledge, advised me that I was most likely > > exposed to Electromagnetic Fields. à> > > > I am not sure whether the product you > > mention is reliable or not... I know, for myself, it seems the only route to > > take, was to detoxify... àIf you want to know more, you can email me > > privately.à> > > > > > In the meantime,àdid you google the product and what others say about it? > > à> > Josephine > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Aimee <ohkanaduh@> > > To: [hidden email] > > Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 10:56:15 PM > > Subject: [eSens] New member > > > > > > à> > Hello gang, > > just to give some background on me, I am a nurse that was injured on the job. Not working now. The injury went to Myofascial Pain, Fibromyalgia and now Enviromental and Electrical Sensitivies. Are we having fun yet?? nope. > > > > I live in Canada. Our town is getting the Not-So-Smart-Meters and so far I have been able to keep them away , but it's only a matter of time before they install one and it's on a bedroom wall. I have tried a whole house 'harmonizer' (cause I forgot the correct word lol ) but my husband has a pacemaker and we found it too strong. We both had flu symptoms when I would plug it in! I have finally been able to tolerate the Pendant I got from the same place. > > > > Does anyone have any experience with Gia Products? or Earth Calm? other then that I don't have a clue what we can do to protect ourselves. I would love some ideas from those who have been there..... > > thank you in advance > > Aimee > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! 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Apparently there is a Dr Alison Bested that is relocating from Toronto to Vancouver and she is an expert in MCS and all that goes with it. She wrote a book and many of the eastern canadians probably know about her already. Maybe others will know more about her.
Aimee --- On Mon, 7/30/12, Josephine Z <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Josephine Z <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: New member To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> Date: Monday, July 30, 2012, 6:10 PM Thanks Shan... I will try to see whether my family doctor is prepared to give me her email address so I can send her the links... Many doctors prefer putting their head in the sand, but there is no harm in trying... Josephine ________________________________ From: bestsurprise2 <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 4:56:30 PM Subject: [eSens] Re: New member My understanding is the legislature said that MCS was an "Environmental Illness" and that EMS was also sensitivities to part of the environment -- the same thing but sensitivities to frequencies instead of chemicals and they concluded that sensitivities to electromagnetic frequencies was just another kind of sensitivities - like some people with allergies react to dust and some are sensitive to grass and some are sensitive to corn,some react to eggs, some to milk, etc-- but dust, grass, corn,eggs,milk etc are all considered allergies. So chemicals and frequencies are all lumped together too and called MCS or an Environmental Illness. Please do not ask me to understand this....... In the pdf files about MCS etc -- they do mention Fibro and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and say they are environmental illnesses -- but I get the impression that "they" again think that those disorders are part and parcel of MCS too.......the language in the legislature is is not as clear & specific though about Fibro and CFS as it is about EMS .... I suspect that because of that , "legally" there is room for argument.........regarding Fibro and CFS. In my experience not even all doctors whom specialize in Environmental Illnesses know about the legislature in 2007 --though they should. Policy on Environmental Sensitivities http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/legislation_policies/policy_environ_politique-eng.aspx If you find a mainstream medical doctor that knows that MCS and EMS are "official" environmental illnesses in Canada, well we are close to a miracle here in my perception......... Why don't you give to your doctors that url to the legislature http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/legislation_policies/policy_environ_politique-eng.aspx ; as it also contains links to the Medical & Legal pdf files and if they are truly interested they can download and read the pdf files. You can also give your doctors the 800 number to the federal office of the Human Rights Commission 1-888-643-3304 If a doctor won't stand behind his/her own diagnosis , then they are not very confident of their own abilities , in my perception. Medical doctors with spine and the character to stand behind what they say are in short supply in my experience. I can't help you with doctors whom are spineless - the only way I have ever been able to deal with them is to avoid them as much as possible...However in my experience most medical doctors are very very poorly informed - Environmental Illness doctors are generally better informed but not all of them --it takes a certain amount of work to be informed, plus if the doctors do not know something,they can ignore it. [[gee I am getting cynical!] I also get the feeling that the government really went out on a limb, so to speak, in their perception, with the legislature and ran out of guts/character so didn't strongly include Fibro and CFS........in other words , they got cold feet before they were properly finished......Still having even only MCS and EMS recognized is no small thing -- though now there are several other countries that also recognize MCS & EHS, like Sweden, Germany, Spain, France, Japan, etc And things are going in the right direction even in the States.......... EI [Environmental Illnesses] docs are board certified in at least 8 states in the USA , thus it is recognized in these states. Plus the courses for Environmental Illnesses are accredited by the AMA for CME. Thirty-six governors and mayors across America have already issued proclamations that May was Multiple Chemical Sensitivity and Toxic Injury Awareness Month in America in an effort to raise public awareness of the risks faced everyday by Americans living with multiple chemical sensitivity and toxic injury. This information is on at least 2 websites that I know of, just off of the top of my head at the moment - including a list of which governors and mayors etc and the signed proclamations If it was me; I would definitely inform all my doctors -- I will not help a doctor to hide his/her head in the sand....... regardless how well intentioned the doctor will sometimes be. We live in a reality and if we are going to get "effective" medical care and assistance then we have to be able to deal with what is real.....I am not saying it is easy .....I am saying that it is necessary. blessings Shan --- In [hidden email], Josephine Z <z.josephine@...> wrote: > > Thanks Shan.  > > When I told my family doctor, who diagnosed me with fibro that my osteopath said I was most likely inflicted with EMS, she said that, even so, it was not recognized in Canada, nor in BC.  This was in 2009.   My family doctor, although, believes it off record that I have EMS, she is not willing to put it on the record.  Whereas, I am doing better, I still need to move out from the city, sooner than later, so that the natural health protocol I am on will have a full effect.  In the meantime, you think I should let my MD know about the information you provided me with?  If EMS is an "official disability" than I wonder why the federal governemt is not recognizing fibro as an "official disability"? > > Josephine   > > > ________________________________ > From: bestsurprise2 <surpriseshan2@...> > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 11:43:24 AM > Subject: [eSens] Re: New member > > >  > Josephine are you aware that Electromagnetic Sensitivities is considered an "official" disability in Canada? it is considered to be an Environmental Illness and similar to MCS [Multiple Chemical Sensitivities]. If I remember correctly/I am pretty sure that Fibromyalgia [FM]and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome [CFS] are also Environmental Illnesses. > On the Canadian Human Rights Commission website http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/ they have a pdf file of the medical reasons why EMS is a disability as well as a pdf file of the legal reasons; plus also explaining that MCS and EMS have to be accommodated in Canada-- the legislature was passed in Jan/Feb of 2007 EMS is considered to be part of MCS. Plus since the disorder you have does quality as an "official" disability ,you also qualify for this > > CERA - Centre for Equality Rights in Accommodations > The Centre for Equality Rights in Accommodation (CERA) is the only organization in Canada dedicated to ending discrimination in housing and promoting human rights in housing. > CERA carries out this work through public education, research, law reform, human rights casework, test case litigation and using international human rights law and mechanisms. > If you have experienced discrimination related to your housing, call us at 1-800-263-1139 ext. 22. You can also e-mail us at intake@... > http://www.equalityrights.org/cera/ > > I live in Ottawa,Ontario and have a couple of times needed to inform a company that MCS [and also EMS] is an official disability and has to be accommodated in Canada. Some insurance companies in particular, in my experience, seem to not realize that MCS/EHS is an official disability in Canada. Some insurance companies like Halifax Insurance have a policy to accommodate disabilities regardless if they are "official " or not but others like The Co-operators attempt to insist that "insurance companies do not need to accommodate environmental sensitivities". I have been quite surprised a couple of times by how many people with environmental illnesses do not realize that they legally have to be accommodated. > I believe there is an organization in BC which has filed 2 class action lawsuits against smart meter companies -- one lawsuit is for the violation of human rights under the Canadian Charter of Human Rights and the other lawsuit liability for Personal Injury > > Canadian Human Rights Commission > National Office > 344 Slater Street, 8th Floor, Ottawa, Ontario K1A 1E1, Canada > Telephone: > (613) 995-1151 > Toll Free: 1-888-214-1090 > TTY: 1-888-643-3304 > Fax: (613) 996-9661 > Regional Offices > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/about/reach_us-eng.aspx > > --- > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_hypersensibilitee/page7-eng.aspx > > Electromagnetic radiation and fields > > "Electromagnetic radiation" covers a broad range of frequencies (over 20 orders of magnitude), from low frequencies in electricity supplies, radiowaves and microwaves, infrared and visible light, to x-rays and cosmic rays.224 Our limited understanding of the biological effects of the vast majority of frequencies gives reason for concern.225-230 Although there is still debate in this regard,231-233 tinnitus, brain tumours and acoustic neuroma are associated with cell phones and mobile phones. 234-237 > > Communications and radar antennae expose those who live or work near these installations to their emissions. The radiation travels through buildings, and can also be conducted along electrical wires or metal plumbing. Wireless communications create levels within buildings that are orders of magnitude higher than natural background levels.238 > > The World Health Organization (WHO) acknowledges the condition of electromagnetic sensitivity, and published a 2006 research agenda for radio-frequency fields.239 The WHO recommends that people reporting sensitivities receive a comprehensive health evaluation. It states: "Some studies suggest that certain physiological responses of EHS individuals tend to be outside the normal range. In particular, hyperactivity in the central nervous system and imbalance in the autonomic nervous system need to be followed up in clinical investigations and the results for the individuals taken as input for possible treatment." Studies of individuals with sensitivities ought to consider sufficient acclimatization of subjects as recommended by Joffres for chemical sensitivities,72 as well as recognition of individuals' wavelength-specific sensitivities. Reduction of electromagnetic radiation may ameliorate symptoms in people with chronic fatigue.240 > > It is worth noting that off-gassing of electrical equipment may also contribute to sensitivities.84 Different sorts of technology (e.g. various medical equipment, analogue or digital telephones; flat screen monitors and laptop computers or larger older monitors) may vary significantly in strength, frequency and pattern of electromagnetic fields.238 > ---- > THE MEDICAL PERSPECTIVE ON ENVIRONMENTAL SENSITIVITIES > By: Margaret E. Sears (M.Eng., Ph.D.) > Abstract > Approximately 3% of Canadians have been diagnosed with environmental sensitivities, and many more are somewhat sensitive to traces of chemicals and/or electromagnetic phenomena in the environment. People experience neurological and numerous other symptoms, and avoidance of triggers is an essential step to regaining health. The Canadian Human Rights Commission commissioned this report to summarize scientific information about environmental sensitivities. For those interested in the original scientific and technical literature, an annotated bibliography is available on request from environmentalhealthmed@... This report addresses issues such as the definition and prevalence of environmental sensitivities; recognition by medical authorities; education and training within the medical community; origins, triggers and symptoms of sensitivities; impact of environmental sensitivities in the workplace; government policies and standards for building codes, > air quality and ventilation as they affect individuals with environmental sensitivities; and guidelines for accommodation within the workplace. For people with environmental sensitivities, their health and ability to work rests with the actions of others, including building managers, co-workers and clients. Accommodating people with environmental sensitivities presents an opportunity to improve workplace environmental quality and worker performance, and may help prevent the onset of sensitivities in others. > > To view the full report please connect to link below: > Medical Perspective > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_hypersensibilitee/toc_tdm-eng.aspx > > For further information on environmental sensitivities, click on the following Commission publications: > The Medical Perspective on Environmental Sensitivities > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/pdf/envsensitivity_en.pdf > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_hypersensibilitee/toc_tdm-eng.aspx > > ACCOMODATION FOR ENVIRONMENTAL SENSITIVITIES: LEGAL PERSPECTIVE > By: Cara Wilkie and David Baker > Abstract > > Environmental sensitivities are a group of poorly understood medical conditions that cause people to react adversely to environmental triggers. The Canadian Human Rights Commission commissioned this report, in which the researchers seek to establish the status of the issues related to environmental sensitivities from a legal perspective and as these relate to the protection of human rights. The researchers examined case law, consulted experts and examined secondary sources on accommodation of people with environmental sensitivities in Canada, the United States, Australia, New Zealand and the United Kingdom, in order to answer several questions in the Canadian context: What is the status of the case law in these jurisdictions? Do building codes act as barriers to people with environmental sensitivities? What best practices emerge from the case law? How are conflicting interests reconciled? How can third parties be involved in the accommodation process? > Where is the threshold of undue hardship? How are conflicts regarding accommodation preferences resolved? > > To view the full report please connect to link below: > Accomodation / Legal Perspective > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_legal_hypersensibilitee/toc_tdm-eng.aspx > > Accommodation for Environmental Sensitivities: Legal Perspective > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/pdf/legal_sensitivity_en.pdf > References: http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_hypersensibilitee/page14-eng.aspx > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_legal_hypersensibilitee/toc_tdm-eng.aspx > > Ontario Human Rights Commission Policy & Guidlines on Disabiliy & the Duty to Accommodate > http://www.ohrc.on.ca/en/resources/Policies/PolicyDisAccom2/pdf > > blessings > Shan > > --- In [hidden email], Josephine Z <z.josephine@> wrote: > > > > Aimee, I also live in > > Canada.  While I have been a member for over one-month, this is my first > > post and my introduction to the group. > > > > Unfortunately, the > > apartment building where I live already has "the not so smart > > meters". They were installed this year.  There is also lots of cell > > phone antennas all over the city I live in.  > > > > > > A few years ago I was > > also diagnosed with fibro by my MD. I sought a second opinion from an > > alternative doctor, whose specialty, amongst others, was treating his patients > > who suffer from fibromyalgia. Although EMS is not yet fully accepted diagnosis > > by the medical field, my osteopath (MD as well), after examining me, and after > > hearing me tell the story of cell phone tower antennas having been installed > > all over my community since the > > mid-eighties without the public's knowledge, advised me that I was most likely > > exposed to Electromagnetic Fields.  > > > > I am not sure whether the product you > > mention is reliable or not... I know, for myself, it seems the only route to > > take, was to detoxify...  If you want to know more, you can email me > > privately. > > > > > > In the meantime, did you google the product and what others say about it? > >  > > Josephine > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Aimee <ohkanaduh@> > > To: [hidden email] > > Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 10:56:15 PM > > Subject: [eSens] New member > > > > > >  > > Hello gang, > > just to give some background on me, I am a nurse that was injured on the job. Not working now. The injury went to Myofascial Pain, Fibromyalgia and now Enviromental and Electrical Sensitivies. Are we having fun yet?? nope. > > > > I live in Canada. Our town is getting the Not-So-Smart-Meters and so far I have been able to keep them away , but it's only a matter of time before they install one and it's on a bedroom wall. I have tried a whole house 'harmonizer' (cause I forgot the correct word lol ) but my husband has a pacemaker and we found it too strong. We both had flu symptoms when I would plug it in! I have finally been able to tolerate the Pendant I got from the same place. > > > > Does anyone have any experience with Gia Products? or Earth Calm? other then that I don't have a clue what we can do to protect ourselves. I would love some ideas from those who have been there..... > > thank you in advance > > Aimee > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Makes sense. I keep all receipts now and submit with income tax.
I'm in the East Kootenay. Google Dr Alison Bested. I have just recently heard of her in another group and she's going to Vancouver. Aimee --- On Mon, 7/30/12, Josephine Z <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Josephine Z <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: New member To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> Date: Monday, July 30, 2012, 6:05 PM Hi Aimee, Agree that there is not much we can do with the smart meters, even when we contact our MLA, they won't rock the boat. And I agree that being declared disabled is not going to help with the pain... What it would do however is provide you with insurance and perhaps a tax reduction at the end of the year. In the meantime, fibromyalgia and ems can be reversed (or at least have much less pain)... I know that for myself, once I found out my condition, I knew that I needed to take serious action. BTW I live in Vancouver, where are you in BC? Josephine ________________________________ From: Aimee <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 2:53:58 PM Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: New member Hi all and thank you for the welcomes. Josephine and Shan : I just want to comment that when I knew the Smart Meters were coming, I got ahold of my MLA and spoke with them . I asked if they knew of any way that I could refuse it permanently and she said nothing legal that she knew of! Now you would think that the MLA office would know about this wouldn't they?? Sorry but I dont have time right now to read all the links Shan provided, but the question that I have is...... even if fibro/ em / mcs get put on the disability list, what does that really boil down to?? What good is it to be declared disabled due to these conditions, if BC Hydro for example is allowed to just proceed with their agenda with business as usual???? I know there is a website called stopsmartmeters.ca that I have joined but am unaware of any class action suits. I will be checking into it.... thanks again Shan. Come to think of it, the former premier of BC Vanderzalm is recorded on this website... being in government he should be doing more for us then recording his opposition lol. I'm afraid its a case of "you can't fight city hall". Co Operators insurance company fights any and everything. I had my go rounds with them plenty. They are useless. Marc what I tried was Scalar Home Protection System from earthcalm. I tried the few minutes on few off gradual 'doses' and I just didnt like that it made me feel edgy, crabby as well as flu like. I also have fibro and it made no sense to persist. One great thing about the company is their refund policy. No problems at all with that. I kept and am faithful to wearing all the time my Nova Scalar Resonator Pendant from the same company. One tip that Vivint, my security alarm system company told me about..... if electronics bother a person, tape copper pennies to the appliance. The penny has to be before 1994 because after that year, it isn't true copper anymore. I think copper is the main component in Q-Link, which I tried but had no luck with. So now I have alot of pennies taped to everything in the house :). To be honest, I truely think it helps!! I'm sorry if I didn't answer all of your questions but I am so pressed for time at this moment. thanks and take care Aimee in BC --- On Mon, 7/30/12, Josephine Z <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Josephine Z <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: New member To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> Date: Monday, July 30, 2012, 3:16 PM Thanks Shan. When I told my family doctor, who diagnosed me with fibro that my osteopath said I was most likely inflicted with EMS, she said that, even so, it was not recognized in Canada, nor in BC. This was in 2009. My family doctor, although, believes it off record that I have EMS, she is not willing to put it on the record. Whereas, I am doing better, I still need to move out from the city, sooner than later, so that the natural health protocol I am on will have a full effect. In the meantime, you think I should let my MD know about the information you provided me with? If EMS is an "official disability" than I wonder why the federal governemt is not recognizing fibro as an "official disability"? Josephine ________________________________ From: bestsurprise2 <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 11:43:24 AM Subject: [eSens] Re: New member Josephine are you aware that Electromagnetic Sensitivities is considered an "official" disability in Canada? it is considered to be an Environmental Illness and similar to MCS [Multiple Chemical Sensitivities]. If I remember correctly/I am pretty sure that Fibromyalgia [FM]and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome [CFS] are also Environmental Illnesses. On the Canadian Human Rights Commission website http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/ they have a pdf file of the medical reasons why EMS is a disability as well as a pdf file of the legal reasons; plus also explaining that MCS and EMS have to be accommodated in Canada-- the legislature was passed in Jan/Feb of 2007 EMS is considered to be part of MCS. Plus since the disorder you have does quality as an "official" disability ,you also qualify for this CERA - Centre for Equality Rights in Accommodations The Centre for Equality Rights in Accommodation (CERA) is the only organization in Canada dedicated to ending discrimination in housing and promoting human rights in housing. CERA carries out this work through public education, research, law reform, human rights casework, test case litigation and using international human rights law and mechanisms. If you have experienced discrimination related to your housing, call us at 1-800-263-1139 ext. 22. You can also e-mail us at [hidden email] http://www.equalityrights.org/cera/ I live in Ottawa,Ontario and have a couple of times needed to inform a company that MCS [and also EMS] is an official disability and has to be accommodated in Canada. Some insurance companies in particular, in my experience, seem to not realize that MCS/EHS is an official disability in Canada. Some insurance companies like Halifax Insurance have a policy to accommodate disabilities regardless if they are "official " or not but others like The Co-operators attempt to insist that "insurance companies do not need to accommodate environmental sensitivities". I have been quite surprised a couple of times by how many people with environmental illnesses do not realize that they legally have to be accommodated. I believe there is an organization in BC which has filed 2 class action lawsuits against smart meter companies -- one lawsuit is for the violation of human rights under the Canadian Charter of Human Rights and the other lawsuit liability for Personal Injury Canadian Human Rights Commission National Office 344 Slater Street, 8th Floor, Ottawa, Ontario K1A 1E1, Canada Telephone: (613) 995-1151 Toll Free: 1-888-214-1090 TTY: 1-888-643-3304 Fax: (613) 996-9661 Regional Offices http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/about/reach_us-eng.aspx --- http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_hypersensibilitee/page7-eng.aspx Electromagnetic radiation and fields "Electromagnetic radiation" covers a broad range of frequencies (over 20 orders of magnitude), from low frequencies in electricity supplies, radiowaves and microwaves, infrared and visible light, to x-rays and cosmic rays.224 Our limited understanding of the biological effects of the vast majority of frequencies gives reason for concern.225-230 Although there is still debate in this regard,231-233 tinnitus, brain tumours and acoustic neuroma are associated with cell phones and mobile phones. 234-237 Communications and radar antennae expose those who live or work near these installations to their emissions. The radiation travels through buildings, and can also be conducted along electrical wires or metal plumbing. Wireless communications create levels within buildings that are orders of magnitude higher than natural background levels.238 The World Health Organization (WHO) acknowledges the condition of electromagnetic sensitivity, and published a 2006 research agenda for radio-frequency fields.239 The WHO recommends that people reporting sensitivities receive a comprehensive health evaluation. It states: "Some studies suggest that certain physiological responses of EHS individuals tend to be outside the normal range. In particular, hyperactivity in the central nervous system and imbalance in the autonomic nervous system need to be followed up in clinical investigations and the results for the individuals taken as input for possible treatment." Studies of individuals with sensitivities ought to consider sufficient acclimatization of subjects as recommended by Joffres for chemical sensitivities,72 as well as recognition of individuals' wavelength-specific sensitivities. Reduction of electromagnetic radiation may ameliorate symptoms in people with chronic fatigue.240 It is worth noting that off-gassing of electrical equipment may also contribute to sensitivities.84 Different sorts of technology (e.g. various medical equipment, analogue or digital telephones; flat screen monitors and laptop computers or larger older monitors) may vary significantly in strength, frequency and pattern of electromagnetic fields.238 ---- THE MEDICAL PERSPECTIVE ON ENVIRONMENTAL SENSITIVITIES By: Margaret E. Sears (M.Eng., Ph.D.) Abstract Approximately 3% of Canadians have been diagnosed with environmental sensitivities, and many more are somewhat sensitive to traces of chemicals and/or electromagnetic phenomena in the environment. People experience neurological and numerous other symptoms, and avoidance of triggers is an essential step to regaining health. The Canadian Human Rights Commission commissioned this report to summarize scientific information about environmental sensitivities. For those interested in the original scientific and technical literature, an annotated bibliography is available on request from [hidden email]. This report addresses issues such as the definition and prevalence of environmental sensitivities; recognition by medical authorities; education and training within the medical community; origins, triggers and symptoms of sensitivities; impact of environmental sensitivities in the workplace; government policies and standards for building codes, air quality and ventilation as they affect individuals with environmental sensitivities; and guidelines for accommodation within the workplace. For people with environmental sensitivities, their health and ability to work rests with the actions of others, including building managers, co-workers and clients. Accommodating people with environmental sensitivities presents an opportunity to improve workplace environmental quality and worker performance, and may help prevent the onset of sensitivities in others. To view the full report please connect to link below: Medical Perspective http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_hypersensibilitee/toc_tdm-eng.aspx For further information on environmental sensitivities, click on the following Commission publications: The Medical Perspective on Environmental Sensitivities http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/pdf/envsensitivity_en.pdf http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_hypersensibilitee/toc_tdm-eng.aspx ACCOMODATION FOR ENVIRONMENTAL SENSITIVITIES: LEGAL PERSPECTIVE By: Cara Wilkie and David Baker Abstract Environmental sensitivities are a group of poorly understood medical conditions that cause people to react adversely to environmental triggers. The Canadian Human Rights Commission commissioned this report, in which the researchers seek to establish the status of the issues related to environmental sensitivities from a legal perspective and as these relate to the protection of human rights. The researchers examined case law, consulted experts and examined secondary sources on accommodation of people with environmental sensitivities in Canada, the United States, Australia, New Zealand and the United Kingdom, in order to answer several questions in the Canadian context: What is the status of the case law in these jurisdictions? Do building codes act as barriers to people with environmental sensitivities? What best practices emerge from the case law? How are conflicting interests reconciled? How can third parties be involved in the accommodation process? Where is the threshold of undue hardship? How are conflicts regarding accommodation preferences resolved? To view the full report please connect to link below: Accomodation / Legal Perspective http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_legal_hypersensibilitee/toc_tdm-eng.aspx Accommodation for Environmental Sensitivities: Legal Perspective http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/pdf/legal_sensitivity_en.pdf References: http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_hypersensibilitee/page14-eng.aspx http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_legal_hypersensibilitee/toc_tdm-eng.aspx Ontario Human Rights Commission Policy & Guidlines on Disabiliy & the Duty to Accommodate http://www.ohrc.on.ca/en/resources/Policies/PolicyDisAccom2/pdf blessings Shan --- In [hidden email], Josephine Z <z.josephine@...> wrote: > > Aimee, I also live in > Canada.  While I have been a member for over one-month, this is my first > post and my introduction to the group. > > Unfortunately, the > apartment building where I live already has "the not so smart > meters". They were installed this year.  There is also lots of cell > phone antennas all over the city I live in.  > > > A few years ago I was > also diagnosed with fibro by my MD. I sought a second opinion from an > alternative doctor, whose specialty, amongst others, was treating his patients > who suffer from fibromyalgia. Although EMS is not yet fully accepted diagnosis > by the medical field, my osteopath (MD as well), after examining me, and after > hearing me tell the story of cell phone tower antennas having been installed > all over my community since the > mid-eighties without the public's knowledge, advised me that I was most likely > exposed to Electromagnetic Fields.  > > I am not sure whether the product you > mention is reliable or not... I know, for myself, it seems the only route to > take, was to detoxify...  If you want to know more, you can email me > privately. > > > In the meantime, did you google the product and what others say about it? >  > Josephine > > > ________________________________ > From: Aimee <ohkanaduh@...> > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 10:56:15 PM > Subject: [eSens] New member > > >  > Hello gang, > just to give some background on me, I am a nurse that was injured on the job. Not working now. The injury went to Myofascial Pain, Fibromyalgia and now Enviromental and Electrical Sensitivies. Are we having fun yet?? nope. > > I live in Canada. Our town is getting the Not-So-Smart-Meters and so far I have been able to keep them away , but it's only a matter of time before they install one and it's on a bedroom wall. I have tried a whole house 'harmonizer' (cause I forgot the correct word lol ) but my husband has a pacemaker and we found it too strong. We both had flu symptoms when I would plug it in! I have finally been able to tolerate the Pendant I got from the same place. > > Does anyone have any experience with Gia Products? or Earth Calm? other then that I don't have a clue what we can do to protect ourselves. I would love some ideas from those who have been there..... > thank you in advance > Aimee > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Thanks Aimee for the info... I will google the name....
Josephine ________________________________ From: Aimee <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 7:54:08 PM Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: New member Apparently there is a Dr Alison Bested that is relocating from Toronto to Vancouver and she is an expert in MCS and all that goes with it. She wrote a book and many of the eastern canadians probably know about her already. Maybe others will know more about her. Aimee --- On Mon, 7/30/12, Josephine Z <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Josephine Z <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: New member To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> Date: Monday, July 30, 2012, 6:10 PM Thanks Shan... I will try to see whether my family doctor is prepared to give me her email address so I can send her the links... Many doctors prefer putting their head in the sand, but there is no harm in trying... Josephine ________________________________ From: bestsurprise2 <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 4:56:30 PM Subject: [eSens] Re: New member My understanding is the legislature said that MCS was an "Environmental Illness" and that EMS was also sensitivities to part of the environment -- the same thing but sensitivities to frequencies instead of chemicals and they concluded that sensitivities to electromagnetic frequencies was just another kind of sensitivities - like some people with allergies react to dust and some are sensitive to grass and some are sensitive to corn,some react to eggs, some to milk, etc-- but dust, grass, corn,eggs,milk etc are all considered allergies. So chemicals and frequencies are all lumped together too and called MCS or an Environmental Illness. Please do not ask me to understand this....... In the pdf files about MCS etc -- they do mention Fibro and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and say they are environmental illnesses -- but I get the impression that "they" again think that those disorders are part and parcel of MCS too.......the language in the legislature is is not as clear & specific though about Fibro and CFS as it is about EMS .... I suspect that because of that , "legally" there is room for argument.........regarding Fibro and CFS. In my experience not even all doctors whom specialize in Environmental Illnesses know about the legislature in 2007 --though they should. Policy on Environmental Sensitivities http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/legislation_policies/policy_environ_politique-eng.aspx If you find a mainstream medical doctor that knows that MCS and EMS are "official" environmental illnesses in Canada, well we are close to a miracle here in my perception......... Why don't you give to your doctors that url to the legislature http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/legislation_policies/policy_environ_politique-eng.aspx ; as it also contains links to the Medical & Legal pdf files and if they are truly interested they can download and read the pdf files. You can also give your doctors the 800 number to the federal office of the Human Rights Commission 1-888-643-3304 If a doctor won't stand behind his/her own diagnosis , then they are not very confident of their own abilities , in my perception. Medical doctors with spine and the character to stand behind what they say are in short supply in my experience. I can't help you with doctors whom are spineless - the only way I have ever been able to deal with them is to avoid them as much as possible...However in my experience most medical doctors are very very poorly informed - Environmental Illness doctors are generally better informed but not all of them --it takes a certain amount of work to be informed, plus if the doctors do not know something,they can ignore it. [[gee I am getting cynical!] I also get the feeling that the government really went out on a limb, so to speak, in their perception, with the legislature and ran out of guts/character so didn't strongly include Fibro and CFS........in other words , they got cold feet before they were properly finished......Still having even only MCS and EMS recognized is no small thing -- though now there are several other countries that also recognize MCS & EHS, like Sweden, Germany, Spain, France, Japan, etc And things are going in the right direction even in the States.......... EI [Environmental Illnesses] docs are board certified in at least 8 states in the USA , thus it is recognized in these states. Plus the courses for Environmental Illnesses are accredited by the AMA for CME. Thirty-six governors and mayors across America have already issued proclamations that May was Multiple Chemical Sensitivity and Toxic Injury Awareness Month in America in an effort to raise public awareness of the risks faced everyday by Americans living with multiple chemical sensitivity and toxic injury. This information is on at least 2 websites that I know of, just off of the top of my head at the moment - including a list of which governors and mayors etc and the signed proclamations If it was me; I would definitely inform all my doctors -- I will not help a doctor to hide his/her head in the sand....... regardless how well intentioned the doctor will sometimes be. We live in a reality and if we are going to get "effective" medical care and assistance then we have to be able to deal with what is real.....I am not saying it is easy .....I am saying that it is necessary. blessings Shan --- In [hidden email], Josephine Z <z.josephine@...> wrote: > > Thanks Shan.  > > When I told my family doctor, who diagnosed me with fibro that my osteopath said I was most likely inflicted with EMS, she said that, even so, it was not recognized in Canada, nor in BC.  This was in 2009.   My family doctor, although, believes it off record that I have EMS, she is not willing to put it on the record.  Whereas, I am doing better, I still need to move out from the city, sooner than later, so that the natural health protocol I am on will have a full effect.  In the meantime, you think I should let my MD know about the information you provided me with?  If EMS is an "official disability" than I wonder why the federal governemt is not recognizing fibro as an "official disability"? > > Josephine   > > > ________________________________ > From: bestsurprise2 <surpriseshan2@...> > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 11:43:24 AM > Subject: [eSens] Re: New member > > >  > Josephine are you aware that Electromagnetic Sensitivities is considered an "official" disability in Canada? it is considered to be an Environmental Illness and similar to MCS [Multiple Chemical Sensitivities]. If I remember correctly/I am pretty sure that Fibromyalgia [FM]and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome [CFS] are also Environmental Illnesses. > On the Canadian Human Rights Commission website http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/ they have a pdf file of the medical reasons why EMS is a disability as well as a pdf file of the legal reasons; plus also explaining that MCS and EMS have to be accommodated in Canada-- the legislature was passed in Jan/Feb of 2007 EMS is considered to be part of MCS. Plus since the disorder you have does quality as an "official" disability ,you also qualify for this > > CERA - Centre for Equality Rights in Accommodations > The Centre for Equality Rights in Accommodation (CERA) is the only organization in Canada dedicated to ending discrimination in housing and promoting human rights in housing. > CERA carries out this work through public education, research, law reform, human rights casework, test case litigation and using international human rights law and mechanisms. > If you have experienced discrimination related to your housing, call us at 1-800-263-1139 ext. 22. You can also e-mail us at intake@... > http://www.equalityrights.org/cera/ > > I live in Ottawa,Ontario and have a couple of times needed to inform a company that MCS [and also EMS] is an official disability and has to be accommodated in Canada. Some insurance companies in particular, in my experience, seem to not realize that MCS/EHS is an official disability in Canada. Some insurance companies like Halifax Insurance have a policy to accommodate disabilities regardless if they are "official " or not but others like The Co-operators attempt to insist that "insurance companies do not need to accommodate environmental sensitivities". I have been quite surprised a couple of times by how many people with environmental illnesses do not realize that they legally have to be accommodated. > I believe there is an organization in BC which has filed 2 class action lawsuits against smart meter companies -- one lawsuit is for the violation of human rights under the Canadian Charter of Human Rights and the other lawsuit liability for Personal Injury > > Canadian Human Rights Commission > National Office > 344 Slater Street, 8th Floor, Ottawa, Ontario K1A 1E1, Canada > Telephone: > (613) 995-1151 > Toll Free: 1-888-214-1090 > TTY: 1-888-643-3304 > Fax: (613) 996-9661 > Regional Offices > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/about/reach_us-eng.aspx > > --- > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_hypersensibilitee/page7-eng.aspx > > Electromagnetic radiation and fields > > "Electromagnetic radiation" covers a broad range of frequencies (over 20 orders of magnitude), from low frequencies in electricity supplies, radiowaves and microwaves, infrared and visible light, to x-rays and cosmic rays.224 Our limited understanding of the biological effects of the vast majority of frequencies gives reason for concern.225-230 Although there is still debate in this regard,231-233 tinnitus, brain tumours and acoustic neuroma are associated with cell phones and mobile phones. 234-237 > > Communications and radar antennae expose those who live or work near these installations to their emissions. The radiation travels through buildings, and can also be conducted along electrical wires or metal plumbing. Wireless communications create levels within buildings that are orders of magnitude higher than natural background levels.238 > > The World Health Organization (WHO) acknowledges the condition of electromagnetic sensitivity, and published a 2006 research agenda for radio-frequency fields.239 The WHO recommends that people reporting sensitivities receive a comprehensive health evaluation. It states: "Some studies suggest that certain physiological responses of EHS individuals tend to be outside the normal range. In particular, hyperactivity in the central nervous system and imbalance in the autonomic nervous system need to be followed up in clinical investigations and the results for the individuals taken as input for possible treatment." Studies of individuals with sensitivities ought to consider sufficient acclimatization of subjects as recommended by Joffres for chemical sensitivities,72 as well as recognition of individuals' wavelength-specific sensitivities. Reduction of electromagnetic radiation may ameliorate symptoms in people with chronic fatigue.240 > > It is worth noting that off-gassing of electrical equipment may also contribute to sensitivities.84 Different sorts of technology (e.g. various medical equipment, analogue or digital telephones; flat screen monitors and laptop computers or larger older monitors) may vary significantly in strength, frequency and pattern of electromagnetic fields.238 > ---- > THE MEDICAL PERSPECTIVE ON ENVIRONMENTAL SENSITIVITIES > By: Margaret E. Sears (M.Eng., Ph.D.) > Abstract > Approximately 3% of Canadians have been diagnosed with environmental sensitivities, and many more are somewhat sensitive to traces of chemicals and/or electromagnetic phenomena in the environment. People experience neurological and numerous other symptoms, and avoidance of triggers is an essential step to regaining health. The Canadian Human Rights Commission commissioned this report to summarize scientific information about environmental sensitivities. For those interested in the original scientific and technical literature, an annotated bibliography is available on request from environmentalhealthmed@... This report addresses issues such as the definition and prevalence of environmental sensitivities; recognition by medical authorities; education and training within the medical community; origins, triggers and symptoms of sensitivities; impact of environmental sensitivities in the workplace; government policies and standards for building codes, > air quality and ventilation as they affect individuals with environmental sensitivities; and guidelines for accommodation within the workplace. For people with environmental sensitivities, their health and ability to work rests with the actions of others, including building managers, co-workers and clients. Accommodating people with environmental sensitivities presents an opportunity to improve workplace environmental quality and worker performance, and may help prevent the onset of sensitivities in others. > > To view the full report please connect to link below: > Medical Perspective > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_hypersensibilitee/toc_tdm-eng.aspx > > For further information on environmental sensitivities, click on the following Commission publications: > The Medical Perspective on Environmental Sensitivities > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/pdf/envsensitivity_en.pdf > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_hypersensibilitee/toc_tdm-eng.aspx > > ACCOMODATION FOR ENVIRONMENTAL SENSITIVITIES: LEGAL PERSPECTIVE > By: Cara Wilkie and David Baker > Abstract > > Environmental sensitivities are a group of poorly understood medical conditions that cause people to react adversely to environmental triggers. The Canadian Human Rights Commission commissioned this report, in which the researchers seek to establish the status of the issues related to environmental sensitivities from a legal perspective and as these relate to the protection of human rights. The researchers examined case law, consulted experts and examined secondary sources on accommodation of people with environmental sensitivities in Canada, the United States, Australia, New Zealand and the United Kingdom, in order to answer several questions in the Canadian context: What is the status of the case law in these jurisdictions? Do building codes act as barriers to people with environmental sensitivities? What best practices emerge from the case law? How are conflicting interests reconciled? How can third parties be involved in the accommodation process? > Where is the threshold of undue hardship? How are conflicts regarding accommodation preferences resolved? > > To view the full report please connect to link below: > Accomodation / Legal Perspective > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_legal_hypersensibilitee/toc_tdm-eng.aspx > > Accommodation for Environmental Sensitivities: Legal Perspective > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/pdf/legal_sensitivity_en.pdf > References: http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_hypersensibilitee/page14-eng.aspx > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_legal_hypersensibilitee/toc_tdm-eng.aspx > > Ontario Human Rights Commission Policy & Guidlines on Disabiliy & the Duty to Accommodate > http://www.ohrc.on.ca/en/resources/Policies/PolicyDisAccom2/pdf > > blessings > Shan > > --- In [hidden email], Josephine Z <z.josephine@> wrote: > > > > Aimee, I also live in > > Canada.  While I have been a member for over one-month, this is my first > > post and my introduction to the group. > > > > Unfortunately, the > > apartment building where I live already has "the not so smart > > meters". They were installed this year.  There is also lots of cell > > phone antennas all over the city I live in.  > > > > > > A few years ago I was > > also diagnosed with fibro by my MD. I sought a second opinion from an > > alternative doctor, whose specialty, amongst others, was treating his patients > > who suffer from fibromyalgia. Although EMS is not yet fully accepted diagnosis > > by the medical field, my osteopath (MD as well), after examining me, and after > > hearing me tell the story of cell phone tower antennas having been installed > > all over my community since the > > mid-eighties without the public's knowledge, advised me that I was most likely > > exposed to Electromagnetic Fields.  > > > > I am not sure whether the product you > > mention is reliable or not... I know, for myself, it seems the only route to > > take, was to detoxify...  If you want to know more, you can email me > > privately. > > > > > > In the meantime, did you google the product and what others say about it? > >  > > Josephine > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Aimee <ohkanaduh@> > > To: [hidden email] > > Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 10:56:15 PM > > Subject: [eSens] New member > > > > > >  > > Hello gang, > > just to give some background on me, I am a nurse that was injured on the job. Not working now. The injury went to Myofascial Pain, Fibromyalgia and now Enviromental and Electrical Sensitivies. Are we having fun yet?? nope. > > > > I live in Canada. Our town is getting the Not-So-Smart-Meters and so far I have been able to keep them away , but it's only a matter of time before they install one and it's on a bedroom wall. I have tried a whole house 'harmonizer' (cause I forgot the correct word lol ) but my husband has a pacemaker and we found it too strong. We both had flu symptoms when I would plug it in! I have finally been able to tolerate the Pendant I got from the same place. > > > > Does anyone have any experience with Gia Products? or Earth Calm? other then that I don't have a clue what we can do to protect ourselves. I would love some ideas from those who have been there..... > > thank you in advance > > Aimee > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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I don't know of any doctor in BC that will give out their email address. Mine sure wouldn't. As far as telling my doctor that he works for me etc, I ddon't know about Josephine's doc but mine would not stand for that. He is the most arrogant person....... but , where I come from there is such a shortage, there is not another doctor taking new patients , and they know it and abuse it.
We are really stuck with what we get. I know you didnt address me, but I just had to give my 2cents worth lol. Aimee --- On Mon, 7/30/12, Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]> Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: New member To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> Date: Monday, July 30, 2012, 7:49 PM Hi Shan and Josephine, Bravo Shan! I don’t know which part I liked best: the “I won’t help a doctor hide their head in the sand” or the “I can’t help you with spineless doctors!”. Josephine: You state you are going to see if your family dr is “willing” to share her email address with you? I’m hoping you have family support and if you do; perhaps a few phone calls from various family members would be in order. First to remind this “family doctor” that she is the employee and works for you! Second, to remind her/him that they have a DUTY to do NO harm. In essence, by choosing NOT to address this issue in a fair manner, they are sending a message to other patients that they do not abide by this credo. Especially as this is a recognized condition in your country, and I might add, it was a hard won victory. I have an Esser friend who lives in Florida, and an Environmental Dr signed his diagnosis “Radiation damage”. First time I’ve ever known a Dr in the US to do this. Josephine, Shan is right. You’re going to have to be firm and not take NO for an answer. Politely but firmly state what you require. If need be, call this Dr’s office EVERY day until you succeed! Again, one does not need to be rude, just pleasantly firm as in : "I'm not going away until I get what I need!" Blessings, Lizzie To: [hidden email] From: [hidden email] Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 17:10:10 -0700 Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: New member Thanks Shan... I will try to see whether my family doctor is prepared to give me her email address so I can send her the links... Many doctors prefer putting their head in the sand, but there is no harm in trying... Josephine ________________________________ From: bestsurprise2 <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 4:56:30 PM Subject: [eSens] Re: New member My understanding is the legislature said that MCS was an "Environmental Illness" and that EMS was also sensitivities to part of the environment -- the same thing but sensitivities to frequencies instead of chemicals and they concluded that sensitivities to electromagnetic frequencies was just another kind of sensitivities - like some people with allergies react to dust and some are sensitive to grass and some are sensitive to corn,some react to eggs, some to milk, etc-- but dust, grass, corn,eggs,milk etc are all considered allergies. So chemicals and frequencies are all lumped together too and called MCS or an Environmental Illness. Please do not ask me to understand this....... In the pdf files about MCS etc -- they do mention Fibro and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and say they are environmental illnesses -- but I get the impression that "they" again think that those disorders are part and parcel of MCS too.......the language in the legislature is is not as clear & specific though about Fibro and CFS as it is about EMS .... I suspect that because of that , "legally" there is room for argument.........regarding Fibro and CFS. In my experience not even all doctors whom specialize in Environmental Illnesses know about the legislature in 2007 --though they should. Policy on Environmental Sensitivities http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/legislation_policies/policy_environ_politique-eng.aspx If you find a mainstream medical doctor that knows that MCS and EMS are "official" environmental illnesses in Canada, well we are close to a miracle here in my perception......... Why don't you give to your doctors that url to the legislature http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/legislation_policies/policy_environ_politique-eng.aspx ; as it also contains links to the Medical & Legal pdf files and if they are truly interested they can download and read the pdf files. You can also give your doctors the 800 number to the federal office of the Human Rights Commission 1-888-643-3304 If a doctor won't stand behind his/her own diagnosis , then they are not very confident of their own abilities , in my perception. Medical doctors with spine and the character to stand behind what they say are in short supply in my experience. I can't help you with doctors whom are spineless - the only way I have ever been able to deal with them is to avoid them as much as possible...However in my experience most medical doctors are very very poorly informed - Environmental Illness doctors are generally better informed but not all of them --it takes a certain amount of work to be informed, plus if the doctors do not know something,they can ignore it. [[gee I am getting cynical!] I also get the feeling that the government really went out on a limb, so to speak, in their perception, with the legislature and ran out of guts/character so didn't strongly include Fibro and CFS........in other words , they got cold feet before they were properly finished......Still having even only MCS and EMS recognized is no small thing -- though now there are several other countries that also recognize MCS & EHS, like Sweden, Germany, Spain, France, Japan, etc And things are going in the right direction even in the States.......... EI [Environmental Illnesses] docs are board certified in at least 8 states in the USA , thus it is recognized in these states. Plus the courses for Environmental Illnesses are accredited by the AMA for CME. Thirty-six governors and mayors across America have already issued proclamations that May was Multiple Chemical Sensitivity and Toxic Injury Awareness Month in America in an effort to raise public awareness of the risks faced everyday by Americans living with multiple chemical sensitivity and toxic injury. This information is on at least 2 websites that I know of, just off of the top of my head at the moment - including a list of which governors and mayors etc and the signed proclamations If it was me; I would definitely inform all my doctors -- I will not help a doctor to hide his/her head in the sand....... regardless how well intentioned the doctor will sometimes be. We live in a reality and if we are going to get "effective" medical care and assistance then we have to be able to deal with what is real.....I am not saying it is easy .....I am saying that it is necessary. blessings Shan --- In [hidden email], Josephine Z <z.josephine@...> wrote: > > Thanks Shan.  > > When I told my family doctor, who diagnosed me with fibro that my osteopath said I was most likely inflicted with EMS, she said that, even so, it was not recognized in Canada, nor in BC.  This was in 2009.   My family doctor, although, believes it off record that I have EMS, she is not willing to put it on the record.  Whereas, I am doing better, I still need to move out from the city, sooner than later, so that the natural health protocol I am on will have a full effect.  In the meantime, you think I should let my MD know about the information you provided me with?  If EMS is an "official disability" than I wonder why the federal governemt is not recognizing fibro as an "official disability"? > > Josephine   > > > ________________________________ > From: bestsurprise2 <surpriseshan2@...> > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 11:43:24 AM > Subject: [eSens] Re: New member > > >  > Josephine are you aware that Electromagnetic Sensitivities is considered an "official" disability in Canada? it is considered to be an Environmental Illness and similar to MCS [Multiple Chemical Sensitivities]. If I remember correctly/I am pretty sure that Fibromyalgia [FM]and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome [CFS] are also Environmental Illnesses. > On the Canadian Human Rights Commission website http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/ they have a pdf file of the medical reasons why EMS is a disability as well as a pdf file of the legal reasons; plus also explaining that MCS and EMS have to be accommodated in Canada-- the legislature was passed in Jan/Feb of 2007 EMS is considered to be part of MCS. Plus since the disorder you have does quality as an "official" disability ,you also qualify for this > > CERA - Centre for Equality Rights in Accommodations > The Centre for Equality Rights in Accommodation (CERA) is the only organization in Canada dedicated to ending discrimination in housing and promoting human rights in housing. > CERA carries out this work through public education, research, law reform, human rights casework, test case litigation and using international human rights law and mechanisms. > If you have experienced discrimination related to your housing, call us at 1-800-263-1139 ext. 22. You can also e-mail us at intake@... > http://www.equalityrights.org/cera/ > > I live in Ottawa,Ontario and have a couple of times needed to inform a company that MCS [and also EMS] is an official disability and has to be accommodated in Canada. Some insurance companies in particular, in my experience, seem to not realize that MCS/EHS is an official disability in Canada. Some insurance companies like Halifax Insurance have a policy to accommodate disabilities regardless if they are "official " or not but others like The Co-operators attempt to insist that "insurance companies do not need to accommodate environmental sensitivities". I have been quite surprised a couple of times by how many people with environmental illnesses do not realize that they legally have to be accommodated. > I believe there is an organization in BC which has filed 2 class action lawsuits against smart meter companies -- one lawsuit is for the violation of human rights under the Canadian Charter of Human Rights and the other lawsuit liability for Personal Injury > > Canadian Human Rights Commission > National Office > 344 Slater Street, 8th Floor, Ottawa, Ontario K1A 1E1, Canada > Telephone: > (613) 995-1151 > Toll Free: 1-888-214-1090 > TTY: 1-888-643-3304 > Fax: (613) 996-9661 > Regional Offices > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/about/reach_us-eng.aspx > > --- > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_hypersensibilitee/page7-eng.aspx > > Electromagnetic radiation and fields > > "Electromagnetic radiation" covers a broad range of frequencies (over 20 orders of magnitude), from low frequencies in electricity supplies, radiowaves and microwaves, infrared and visible light, to x-rays and cosmic rays.224 Our limited understanding of the biological effects of the vast majority of frequencies gives reason for concern.225-230 Although there is still debate in this regard,231-233 tinnitus, brain tumours and acoustic neuroma are associated with cell phones and mobile phones. 234-237 > > Communications and radar antennae expose those who live or work near these installations to their emissions. The radiation travels through buildings, and can also be conducted along electrical wires or metal plumbing. Wireless communications create levels within buildings that are orders of magnitude higher than natural background levels.238 > > The World Health Organization (WHO) acknowledges the condition of electromagnetic sensitivity, and published a 2006 research agenda for radio-frequency fields.239 The WHO recommends that people reporting sensitivities receive a comprehensive health evaluation. It states: "Some studies suggest that certain physiological responses of EHS individuals tend to be outside the normal range. In particular, hyperactivity in the central nervous system and imbalance in the autonomic nervous system need to be followed up in clinical investigations and the results for the individuals taken as input for possible treatment." Studies of individuals with sensitivities ought to consider sufficient acclimatization of subjects as recommended by Joffres for chemical sensitivities,72 as well as recognition of individuals' wavelength-specific sensitivities. Reduction of electromagnetic radiation may ameliorate symptoms in people with chronic fatigue.240 > > It is worth noting that off-gassing of electrical equipment may also contribute to sensitivities.84 Different sorts of technology (e.g. various medical equipment, analogue or digital telephones; flat screen monitors and laptop computers or larger older monitors) may vary significantly in strength, frequency and pattern of electromagnetic fields.238 > ---- > THE MEDICAL PERSPECTIVE ON ENVIRONMENTAL SENSITIVITIES > By: Margaret E. Sears (M.Eng., Ph.D.) > Abstract > Approximately 3% of Canadians have been diagnosed with environmental sensitivities, and many more are somewhat sensitive to traces of chemicals and/or electromagnetic phenomena in the environment. People experience neurological and numerous other symptoms, and avoidance of triggers is an essential step to regaining health. The Canadian Human Rights Commission commissioned this report to summarize scientific information about environmental sensitivities. For those interested in the original scientific and technical literature, an annotated bibliography is available on request from environmentalhealthmed@... This report addresses issues such as the definition and prevalence of environmental sensitivities; recognition by medical authorities; education and training within the medical community; origins, triggers and symptoms of sensitivities; impact of environmental sensitivities in the workplace; government policies and standards for building codes, > air quality and ventilation as they affect individuals with environmental sensitivities; and guidelines for accommodation within the workplace. For people with environmental sensitivities, their health and ability to work rests with the actions of others, including building managers, co-workers and clients. Accommodating people with environmental sensitivities presents an opportunity to improve workplace environmental quality and worker performance, and may help prevent the onset of sensitivities in others. > > To view the full report please connect to link below: > Medical Perspective > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_hypersensibilitee/toc_tdm-eng.aspx > > For further information on environmental sensitivities, click on the following Commission publications: > The Medical Perspective on Environmental Sensitivities > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/pdf/envsensitivity_en.pdf > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_hypersensibilitee/toc_tdm-eng.aspx > > ACCOMODATION FOR ENVIRONMENTAL SENSITIVITIES: LEGAL PERSPECTIVE > By: Cara Wilkie and David Baker > Abstract > > Environmental sensitivities are a group of poorly understood medical conditions that cause people to react adversely to environmental triggers. The Canadian Human Rights Commission commissioned this report, in which the researchers seek to establish the status of the issues related to environmental sensitivities from a legal perspective and as these relate to the protection of human rights. The researchers examined case law, consulted experts and examined secondary sources on accommodation of people with environmental sensitivities in Canada, the United States, Australia, New Zealand and the United Kingdom, in order to answer several questions in the Canadian context: What is the status of the case law in these jurisdictions? Do building codes act as barriers to people with environmental sensitivities? What best practices emerge from the case law? How are conflicting interests reconciled? How can third parties be involved in the accommodation process? > Where is the threshold of undue hardship? How are conflicts regarding accommodation preferences resolved? > > To view the full report please connect to link below: > Accomodation / Legal Perspective > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_legal_hypersensibilitee/toc_tdm-eng.aspx > > Accommodation for Environmental Sensitivities: Legal Perspective > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/pdf/legal_sensitivity_en.pdf > References: http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_hypersensibilitee/page14-eng.aspx > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_legal_hypersensibilitee/toc_tdm-eng.aspx > > Ontario Human Rights Commission Policy & Guidlines on Disabiliy & the Duty to Accommodate > http://www.ohrc.on.ca/en/resources/Policies/PolicyDisAccom2/pdf > > blessings > Shan > > --- In [hidden email], Josephine Z <z.josephine@> wrote: > > > > Aimee, I also live in > > Canada.  While I have been a member for over one-month, this is my first > > post and my introduction to the group. > > > > Unfortunately, the > > apartment building where I live already has "the not so smart > > meters". They were installed this year.  There is also lots of cell > > phone antennas all over the city I live in.  > > > > > > A few years ago I was > > also diagnosed with fibro by my MD. I sought a second opinion from an > > alternative doctor, whose specialty, amongst others, was treating his patients > > who suffer from fibromyalgia. Although EMS is not yet fully accepted diagnosis > > by the medical field, my osteopath (MD as well), after examining me, and after > > hearing me tell the story of cell phone tower antennas having been installed > > all over my community since the > > mid-eighties without the public's knowledge, advised me that I was most likely > > exposed to Electromagnetic Fields.  > > > > I am not sure whether the product you > > mention is reliable or not... I know, for myself, it seems the only route to > > take, was to detoxify...  If you want to know more, you can email me > > privately. > > > > > > In the meantime, did you google the product and what others say about it? > >  > > Josephine > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Aimee <ohkanaduh@> > > To: [hidden email] > > Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 10:56:15 PM > > Subject: [eSens] New member > > > > > >  > > Hello gang, > > just to give some background on me, I am a nurse that was injured on the job. Not working now. The injury went to Myofascial Pain, Fibromyalgia and now Enviromental and Electrical Sensitivies. Are we having fun yet?? nope. > > > > I live in Canada. Our town is getting the Not-So-Smart-Meters and so far I have been able to keep them away , but it's only a matter of time before they install one and it's on a bedroom wall. I have tried a whole house 'harmonizer' (cause I forgot the correct word lol ) but my husband has a pacemaker and we found it too strong. We both had flu symptoms when I would plug it in! I have finally been able to tolerate the Pendant I got from the same place. > > > > Does anyone have any experience with Gia Products? or Earth Calm? other then that I don't have a clue what we can do to protect ourselves. I would love some ideas from those who have been there..... > > thank you in advance > > Aimee > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
Some doctors do give out their email address. mine does and I know of a couple in the States whom do too - but then my EI doctor is the most gutsy medical doctor I have ever met. Not that she is perfect by a long shot - she just has more spine and character then most. She is a medical doctor, however took many courses afterwards in environmental illnesses as well as several in alternative treatments snd nutrition - she is still trying to learn about various treatments so that she can offer them in her clinic. But now she is just short of time - many of her patients with MCS have Lyme Disease and she treats her patients like whole people and does not send them to another specialist for every little thing. In stead she does extra studying etc and treats thyroid, adrenal, diabetes, candida, high blood pressure etc herself -- in fact she has been curing -- not treating but curing - arthritis for 14 years now. But she doesn't take somebody as a patients whom has arthritis - only if one of her patients with an Environmental Illness has arthritis, autism, MS, etc then she finds out how to treat that disorder too. So now she is actually so busy because so many of her patients with environmental illness actually have Lyme Disease. I was one of those patients -- I just got over lyme and one of its co-infections. In fact all of my friends in Ontario that have MCS and/or EMS also seem to have Lyme. Actually my doctor would not be happy if I said that to her either -- -but on the other hand, I do think she would agree that doctors are supposed to work for their patients. She just would not appreciate somebody rubbing her nose in that fact. blessings Shan --- In [hidden email], Aimee <ohkanaduh@...> wrote: > > I don't know of any doctor in BC that will give out their email address. Mine sure wouldn't. As far as telling my doctor that he works for me etc, I ddon't know about Josephine's doc but mine would not stand for that. He is the most arrogant person....... but , where I come from there is such a shortage, there is not another doctor taking new patients , and they know it and abuse it. > We are really stuck with what we get. >  > I know you didnt address me, but I just had to give my 2cents worth lol. >  > Aimee > > --- On Mon, 7/30/12, Elizabeth thode <lizt777@...> wrote: > > > From: Elizabeth thode <lizt777@...> > Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: New member > To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> > Date: Monday, July 30, 2012, 7:49 PM > > > > > > Hi > Shan and Josephine, > > Bravo > Shan! I donât know which part I liked best: the âI wonât help a doctor hide > their head in the sandâ or the âI canât help you with spineless doctors!â. > > Josephine: > You state you are going to see if your family dr is âwillingâ to share her > email address with you? Iâm hoping you > have family support and if you do; perhaps a few phone calls from various > family members would be in order. > > First > to remind this âfamily doctorâ that she is the employee and works for you! > Second, to remind her/him that they have a DUTY to do NO harm. In essence, by > choosing NOT to address this issue in a fair manner, they are sending a message > to other patients that they do not abide by this credo. > > Especially > as this is a recognized condition in your country, and I might add, it was a > hard won victory. > > I > have an Esser friend who lives in Florida, and an Environmental Dr signed his > diagnosis âRadiation damageâ. First time Iâve ever known a Dr in the US to do > this. > > Josephine, > Shan is right. Youâre going to have to be firm and not take NO for an answer. > Politely but firmly state what you require. If need be, call this Drâs office > EVERY day until you succeed! Again, one does not need to be rude, just pleasantly firm as in : "I'm not going away until I get what I need!" > > > Blessings, > > > Lizzie > > > To: [hidden email] > From: z.josephine@... > Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 17:10:10 -0700 > Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: New member > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > >   >    >    >    Thanks Shan... I will try to see whether my family doctor is prepared to give me her email address so I can send her the links... Many doctors prefer putting their head in the sand, but there is no harm in trying... > > > > Josephine > > > > ________________________________ > > From: bestsurprise2 <surpriseshan2@...> > > To: [hidden email] > > Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 4:56:30 PM > > Subject: [eSens] Re: New member > > > > > >  > > My understanding is the legislature said that MCS was an "Environmental Illness" and that EMS was also sensitivities to part of the environment -- the same thing but sensitivities to frequencies instead of chemicals and they concluded that sensitivities to electromagnetic frequencies was just another kind of sensitivities - like some people with allergies react to dust and some are sensitive to grass and some are sensitive to corn,some react to eggs, some to milk, etc-- but dust, grass, corn,eggs,milk etc are all considered allergies. So chemicals and frequencies are all lumped together too and called MCS or an Environmental Illness. > > Please do not ask me to understand this....... > > > > In the pdf files about MCS etc -- they do mention Fibro and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and say they are environmental illnesses -- but I get the impression that "they" again think that those disorders are part and parcel of MCS too.......the language in the legislature is is not as clear & specific though about Fibro and CFS as it is about EMS .... I suspect that because of that , "legally" there is room for argument.........regarding Fibro and CFS. > > > > In my experience not even all doctors whom specialize in Environmental Illnesses know about the legislature in 2007 --though they should. > > Policy on Environmental Sensitivities > > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/legislation_policies/policy_environ_politique-eng.aspx > > > > If you find a mainstream medical doctor that knows that MCS and EMS are "official" environmental illnesses in Canada, well we are close to a miracle here in my perception......... > > > > Why don't you give to your doctors that url to the legislature http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/legislation_policies/policy_environ_politique-eng.aspx ; as it also contains links to the Medical & Legal pdf files and if they are truly interested they can download and read the pdf files. You can also give your doctors the 800 number to the federal office of the Human Rights Commission 1-888-643-3304 > > > > If a doctor won't stand behind his/her own diagnosis , then they are not very confident of their own abilities , in my perception. Medical doctors with spine and the character to stand behind what they say are in short supply in my experience. I can't help you with doctors whom are spineless - the only way I have ever been able to deal with them is to avoid them as much as possible...However in my experience most medical doctors are very very poorly informed - Environmental Illness doctors are generally better informed but not all of them --it takes a certain amount of work to be informed, plus if the doctors do not know something,they can ignore it. [[gee I am getting cynical!] > > > > I also get the feeling that the government really went out on a limb, so to speak, in their perception, with the legislature and ran out of guts/character so didn't strongly include Fibro and CFS........in other words , they got cold feet before they were properly finished......Still having even only MCS and EMS recognized is no small thing -- though now there are several other countries that also recognize MCS & EHS, like Sweden, Germany, Spain, France, Japan, etc And things are going in the right direction even in the States.......... > > > > EI [Environmental Illnesses] docs are board certified in at least 8 states in the USA , thus it is recognized in these states. Plus the courses for Environmental Illnesses are accredited by the AMA for CME. > > > > Thirty-six governors and mayors across America have already issued proclamations that May was Multiple Chemical Sensitivity and Toxic Injury Awareness Month in America in an effort to raise public awareness of the risks faced everyday by Americans living with multiple chemical sensitivity and toxic injury. > > This information is on at least 2 websites that I know of, just off of the top of my head at the moment - including a list of which governors and mayors etc and the signed proclamations > > > > If it was me; I would definitely inform all my doctors -- I will not help a doctor to hide his/her head in the sand....... regardless how well intentioned the doctor will sometimes be. We live in a reality and if we are going to get "effective" medical care and assistance then we have to be able to deal with what is real.....I am not saying it is easy .....I am saying that it is necessary. > > > > blessings > > Shan > > > > --- In [hidden email], Josephine Z <z.josephine@> wrote: > > > > > > Thanks Shan. à > > > > > > When I told my family doctor, who diagnosed me with fibro that my osteopath said I was most likely inflicted with EMS, she said that, even so, it was not recognized in Canada, nor in BC. à This was in 2009. àà My family doctor, although, believes it off record that I have EMS, she is not willing to put it on the record. àWhereas, I am doing better, I still need to move out from the city, sooner than later, so that the natural health protocol I am on will have a full effect. àIn the meantime, you think I should let my MD know about the information you provided me with? àIf EMS is an "official disability" than I wonder why the federal governemt is not recognizing fibro as an "official disability"? > > > > > > Josephine à à > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: bestsurprise2 <surpriseshan2@> > > > To: [hidden email] > > > Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 11:43:24 AM > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: New member > > > > > > > > > à> > > Josephine are you aware that Electromagnetic Sensitivities is considered an "official" disability in Canada? it is considered to be an Environmental Illness and similar to MCS [Multiple Chemical Sensitivities]. If I remember correctly/I am pretty sure that Fibromyalgia [FM]and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome [CFS] are also Environmental Illnesses. > > > On the Canadian Human Rights Commission website http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/ they have a pdf file of the medical reasons why EMS is a disability as well as a pdf file of the legal reasons; plus also explaining that MCS and EMS have to be accommodated in Canada-- the legislature was passed in Jan/Feb of 2007 EMS is considered to be part of MCS. Plus since the disorder you have does quality as an "official" disability ,you also qualify for this > > > > > > CERA - Centre for Equality Rights in Accommodations > > > The Centre for Equality Rights in Accommodation (CERA) is the only organization in Canada dedicated to ending discrimination in housing and promoting human rights in housing. > > > CERA carries out this work through public education, research, law reform, human rights casework, test case litigation and using international human rights law and mechanisms. > > > If you have experienced discrimination related to your housing, call us at 1-800-263-1139 ext. 22. You can also e-mail us at intake@ > > > http://www.equalityrights.org/cera/ > > > > > > I live in Ottawa,Ontario and have a couple of times needed to inform a company that MCS [and also EMS] is an official disability and has to be accommodated in Canada. Some insurance companies in particular, in my experience, seem to not realize that MCS/EHS is an official disability in Canada. Some insurance companies like Halifax Insurance have a policy to accommodate disabilities regardless if they are "official " or not but others like The Co-operators attempt to insist that "insurance companies do not need to accommodate environmental sensitivities". I have been quite surprised a couple of times by how many people with environmental illnesses do not realize that they legally have to be accommodated. > > > I believe there is an organization in BC which has filed 2 class action lawsuits against smart meter companies -- one lawsuit is for the violation of human rights under the Canadian Charter of Human Rights and the other lawsuit liability for Personal Injury > > > > > > Canadian Human Rights Commission > > > National Office > > > 344 Slater Street, 8th Floor, Ottawa, Ontario K1A 1E1, Canada > > > Telephone: > > > (613) 995-1151 > > > Toll Free: 1-888-214-1090 > > > TTY: 1-888-643-3304 > > > Fax: (613) 996-9661 > > > Regional Offices > > > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/about/reach_us-eng.aspx > > > > > > --- > > > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_hypersensibilitee/page7-eng.aspx > > > > > > Electromagnetic radiation and fields > > > > > > "Electromagnetic radiation" covers a broad range of frequencies (over 20 orders of magnitude), from low frequencies in electricity supplies, radiowaves and microwaves, infrared and visible light, to x-rays and cosmic rays.224 Our limited understanding of the biological effects of the vast majority of frequencies gives reason for concern.225-230 Although there is still debate in this regard,231-233 tinnitus, brain tumours and acoustic neuroma are associated with cell phones and mobile phones. 234-237 > > > > > > Communications and radar antennae expose those who live or work near these installations to their emissions. The radiation travels through buildings, and can also be conducted along electrical wires or metal plumbing. Wireless communications create levels within buildings that are orders of magnitude higher than natural background levels.238 > > > > > > The World Health Organization (WHO) acknowledges the condition of electromagnetic sensitivity, and published a 2006 research agenda for radio-frequency fields.239 The WHO recommends that people reporting sensitivities receive a comprehensive health evaluation. It states: "Some studies suggest that certain physiological responses of EHS individuals tend to be outside the normal range. In particular, hyperactivity in the central nervous system and imbalance in the autonomic nervous system need to be followed up in clinical investigations and the results for the individuals taken as input for possible treatment." Studies of individuals with sensitivities ought to consider sufficient acclimatization of subjects as recommended by Joffres for chemical sensitivities,72 as well as recognition of individuals' wavelength-specific sensitivities. Reduction of electromagnetic radiation may ameliorate symptoms in people with chronic fatigue.240 > > > > > > It is worth noting that off-gassing of electrical equipment may also contribute to sensitivities.84 Different sorts of technology (e.g. various medical equipment, analogue or digital telephones; flat screen monitors and laptop computers or larger older monitors) may vary significantly in strength, frequency and pattern of electromagnetic fields.238 > > > ---- > > > THE MEDICAL PERSPECTIVE ON ENVIRONMENTAL SENSITIVITIES > > > By: Margaret E. Sears (M.Eng., Ph.D.) > > > Abstract > > > Approximately 3% of Canadians have been diagnosed with environmental sensitivities, and many more are somewhat sensitive to traces of chemicals and/or electromagnetic phenomena in the environment. People experience neurological and numerous other symptoms, and avoidance of triggers is an essential step to regaining health. The Canadian Human Rights Commission commissioned this report to summarize scientific information about environmental sensitivities. For those interested in the original scientific and technical literature, an annotated bibliography is available on request from environmentalhealthmed@ This report addresses issues such as the definition and prevalence of environmental sensitivities; recognition by medical authorities; education and training within the medical community; origins, triggers and symptoms of sensitivities; impact of environmental sensitivities in the workplace; government policies and standards for building codes, > > > air quality and ventilation as they affect individuals with environmental sensitivities; and guidelines for accommodation within the workplace. For people with environmental sensitivities, their health and ability to work rests with the actions of others, including building managers, co-workers and clients. Accommodating people with environmental sensitivities presents an opportunity to improve workplace environmental quality and worker performance, and may help prevent the onset of sensitivities in others. > > > > > > To view the full report please connect to link below: > > > Medical Perspective > > > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_hypersensibilitee/toc_tdm-eng.aspx > > > > > > For further information on environmental sensitivities, click on the following Commission publications: > > > The Medical Perspective on Environmental Sensitivities > > > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/pdf/envsensitivity_en.pdf > > > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_hypersensibilitee/toc_tdm-eng.aspx > > > > > > ACCOMODATION FOR ENVIRONMENTAL SENSITIVITIES: LEGAL PERSPECTIVE > > > By: Cara Wilkie and David Baker > > > Abstract > > > > > > Environmental sensitivities are a group of poorly understood medical conditions that cause people to react adversely to environmental triggers. The Canadian Human Rights Commission commissioned this report, in which the researchers seek to establish the status of the issues related to environmental sensitivities from a legal perspective and as these relate to the protection of human rights. The researchers examined case law, consulted experts and examined secondary sources on accommodation of people with environmental sensitivities in Canada, the United States, Australia, New Zealand and the United Kingdom, in order to answer several questions in the Canadian context: What is the status of the case law in these jurisdictions? Do building codes act as barriers to people with environmental sensitivities? What best practices emerge from the case law? How are conflicting interests reconciled? How can third parties be involved in the accommodation process? > > > Where is the threshold of undue hardship? How are conflicts regarding accommodation preferences resolved? > > > > > > To view the full report please connect to link below: > > > Accomodation / Legal Perspective > > > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_legal_hypersensibilitee/toc_tdm-eng.aspx > > > > > > Accommodation for Environmental Sensitivities: Legal Perspective > > > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/pdf/legal_sensitivity_en.pdf > > > References: http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_hypersensibilitee/page14-eng.aspx > > > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_legal_hypersensibilitee/toc_tdm-eng.aspx > > > > > > Ontario Human Rights Commission Policy & Guidlines on Disabiliy & the Duty to Accommodate > > > http://www.ohrc.on.ca/en/resources/Policies/PolicyDisAccom2/pdf > > > > > > blessings > > > Shan > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], Josephine Z <z.josephine@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Aimee, I also live in > > > > Canada. Ãâà While I have been a member for over one-month, this is my first > > > > post and my introduction to the group.Ãâà > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, the > > > > apartment building where I live already has "the not so smart > > > > meters". They were installed this year. Ãâà There is also lots of cell > > > > phone antennas all over the city I live in. Ãâà > > > > > > > > > > > > A few years ago I was > > > > also diagnosed with fibro by my MD. I sought a second opinion from an > > > > alternative doctor, whose specialty, amongst others, was treating his patients > > > > who suffer from fibromyalgia. Although EMS is not yet fully accepted diagnosis > > > > by the medical field, my osteopath (MD as well), after examining me, and after > > > > hearing me tell the story of cell phone tower antennas having been installed > > > > all over myÃâà community since the > > > > mid-eighties without the public's knowledge, advised me that I was most likely > > > > exposed to Electromagnetic Fields. Ãâà > > > > > > > > I am not sure whether the product you > > > > mention is reliable or not... I know, for myself, it seems the only route to > > > > take, was to detoxify... Ãâà If you want to know more, you can email me > > > > privately.Ãâà > > > > > > > > > > > > In the meantime,Ãâà did you google the product and what others say about it? > > > > Ãâà > > > > Josephine > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: Aimee <ohkanaduh@> > > > > To: [hidden email] > > > > Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 10:56:15 PM > > > > Subject: [eSens] New member > > > > > > > > > > > > Ãâà> > > > Hello gang, > > > > just to give some background on me, I am a nurse that was injured on the job. Not working now. The injury went to Myofascial Pain, Fibromyalgia and now Enviromental and Electrical Sensitivies. Are we having fun yet?? nope. > > > > > > > > I live in Canada. Our town is getting the Not-So-Smart-Meters and so far I have been able to keep them away , but it's only a matter of time before they install one and it's on a bedroom wall. I have tried a whole house 'harmonizer' (cause I forgot the correct word lol ) but my husband has a pacemaker and we found it too strong. We both had flu symptoms when I would plug it in! I have finally been able to tolerate the Pendant I got from the same place. > > > > > > > > Does anyone have any experience with Gia Products? or Earth Calm? other then that I don't have a clue what we can do to protect ourselves. I would love some ideas from those who have been there..... > > > > thank you in advance > > > > Aimee > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > >   >     > >   >   > > > > > > >                         > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |
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A shortage of doctors in BC is an understatement...some small towns are buying houses for doctors so that they can practice in their community... Without any insentives, doctors do not want to live in small towns and those in big cities are quick with prescriptions. Fact is, to expect anything more from doctors would be arrogant, since their discipline is to simply deal with symptoms and not the root cause of the problems. I am a fucntional nutritionist and I always refer anyone to doctors, so that they can decide for themselves whether they want a pill or else want to know the real root cause of their symptoms... ems and fybro are symptoms only... it takes a willingness to change and it is my experience and opinion that ems, fibro or any other ailments can be a life blessing if we are ready to make a lifestyle change...
Josephine ________________________________ From: Aimee <[hidden email]> To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>; [hidden email] Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 9:45:21 PM Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: New member I don't know of any doctor in BC that will give out their email address. Mine sure wouldn't. As far as telling my doctor that he works for me etc, I ddon't know about Josephine's doc but mine would not stand for that. He is the most arrogant person....... but , where I come from there is such a shortage, there is not another doctor taking new patients , and they know it and abuse it. We are really stuck with what we get. I know you didnt address me, but I just had to give my 2cents worth lol. Aimee --- On Mon, 7/30/12, Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]> Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: New member To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> Date: Monday, July 30, 2012, 7:49 PM Hi Shan and Josephine, Bravo Shan! I don’t know which part I liked best: the “I won’t help a doctor hide their head in the sand” or the “I can’t help you with spineless doctors!”. Josephine: You state you are going to see if your family dr is “willing” to share her email address with you? I’m hoping you have family support and if you do; perhaps a few phone calls from various family members would be in order. First to remind this “family doctor” that she is the employee and works for you! Second, to remind her/him that they have a DUTY to do NO harm. In essence, by choosing NOT to address this issue in a fair manner, they are sending a message to other patients that they do not abide by this credo. Especially as this is a recognized condition in your country, and I might add, it was a hard won victory. I have an Esser friend who lives in Florida, and an Environmental Dr signed his diagnosis “Radiation damage”. First time I’ve ever known a Dr in the US to do this. Josephine, Shan is right. You’re going to have to be firm and not take NO for an answer. Politely but firmly state what you require. If need be, call this Dr’s office EVERY day until you succeed! Again, one does not need to be rude, just pleasantly firm as in : "I'm not going away until I get what I need!" Blessings, Lizzie To: [hidden email] From: [hidden email] Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 17:10:10 -0700 Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: New member Thanks Shan... I will try to see whether my family doctor is prepared to give me her email address so I can send her the links... Many doctors prefer putting their head in the sand, but there is no harm in trying... Josephine ________________________________ From: bestsurprise2 <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 4:56:30 PM Subject: [eSens] Re: New member My understanding is the legislature said that MCS was an "Environmental Illness" and that EMS was also sensitivities to part of the environment -- the same thing but sensitivities to frequencies instead of chemicals and they concluded that sensitivities to electromagnetic frequencies was just another kind of sensitivities - like some people with allergies react to dust and some are sensitive to grass and some are sensitive to corn,some react to eggs, some to milk, etc-- but dust, grass, corn,eggs,milk etc are all considered allergies. So chemicals and frequencies are all lumped together too and called MCS or an Environmental Illness. Please do not ask me to understand this....... In the pdf files about MCS etc -- they do mention Fibro and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and say they are environmental illnesses -- but I get the impression that "they" again think that those disorders are part and parcel of MCS too.......the language in the legislature is is not as clear & specific though about Fibro and CFS as it is about EMS .... I suspect that because of that , "legally" there is room for argument.........regarding Fibro and CFS. In my experience not even all doctors whom specialize in Environmental Illnesses know about the legislature in 2007 --though they should. Policy on Environmental Sensitivities http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/legislation_policies/policy_environ_politique-eng.aspx If you find a mainstream medical doctor that knows that MCS and EMS are "official" environmental illnesses in Canada, well we are close to a miracle here in my perception......... Why don't you give to your doctors that url to the legislature http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/legislation_policies/policy_environ_politique-eng.aspx ; as it also contains links to the Medical & Legal pdf files and if they are truly interested they can download and read the pdf files. You can also give your doctors the 800 number to the federal office of the Human Rights Commission 1-888-643-3304 If a doctor won't stand behind his/her own diagnosis , then they are not very confident of their own abilities , in my perception. Medical doctors with spine and the character to stand behind what they say are in short supply in my experience. I can't help you with doctors whom are spineless - the only way I have ever been able to deal with them is to avoid them as much as possible...However in my experience most medical doctors are very very poorly informed - Environmental Illness doctors are generally better informed but not all of them --it takes a certain amount of work to be informed, plus if the doctors do not know something,they can ignore it. [[gee I am getting cynical!] I also get the feeling that the government really went out on a limb, so to speak, in their perception, with the legislature and ran out of guts/character so didn't strongly include Fibro and CFS........in other words , they got cold feet before they were properly finished......Still having even only MCS and EMS recognized is no small thing -- though now there are several other countries that also recognize MCS & EHS, like Sweden, Germany, Spain, France, Japan, etc And things are going in the right direction even in the States.......... EI [Environmental Illnesses] docs are board certified in at least 8 states in the USA , thus it is recognized in these states. Plus the courses for Environmental Illnesses are accredited by the AMA for CME. Thirty-six governors and mayors across America have already issued proclamations that May was Multiple Chemical Sensitivity and Toxic Injury Awareness Month in America in an effort to raise public awareness of the risks faced everyday by Americans living with multiple chemical sensitivity and toxic injury. This information is on at least 2 websites that I know of, just off of the top of my head at the moment - including a list of which governors and mayors etc and the signed proclamations If it was me; I would definitely inform all my doctors -- I will not help a doctor to hide his/her head in the sand....... regardless how well intentioned the doctor will sometimes be. We live in a reality and if we are going to get "effective" medical care and assistance then we have to be able to deal with what is real.....I am not saying it is easy .....I am saying that it is necessary. blessings Shan --- In [hidden email], Josephine Z <z.josephine@...> wrote: > > Thanks Shan.  > > When I told my family doctor, who diagnosed me with fibro that my osteopath said I was most likely inflicted with EMS, she said that, even so, it was not recognized in Canada, nor in BC.  This was in 2009.   My family doctor, although, believes it off record that I have EMS, she is not willing to put it on the record.  Whereas, I am doing better, I still need to move out from the city, sooner than later, so that the natural health protocol I am on will have a full effect.  In the meantime, you think I should let my MD know about the information you provided me with?  If EMS is an "official disability" than I wonder why the federal governemt is not recognizing fibro as an "official disability"? > > Josephine   > > > ________________________________ > From: bestsurprise2 <surpriseshan2@...> > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 11:43:24 AM > Subject: [eSens] Re: New member > > >  > Josephine are you aware that Electromagnetic Sensitivities is considered an "official" disability in Canada? it is considered to be an Environmental Illness and similar to MCS [Multiple Chemical Sensitivities]. If I remember correctly/I am pretty sure that Fibromyalgia [FM]and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome [CFS] are also Environmental Illnesses. > On the Canadian Human Rights Commission website http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/ they have a pdf file of the medical reasons why EMS is a disability as well as a pdf file of the legal reasons; plus also explaining that MCS and EMS have to be accommodated in Canada-- the legislature was passed in Jan/Feb of 2007 EMS is considered to be part of MCS. Plus since the disorder you have does quality as an "official" disability ,you also qualify for this > > CERA - Centre for Equality Rights in Accommodations > The Centre for Equality Rights in Accommodation (CERA) is the only organization in Canada dedicated to ending discrimination in housing and promoting human rights in housing. > CERA carries out this work through public education, research, law reform, human rights casework, test case litigation and using international human rights law and mechanisms. > If you have experienced discrimination related to your housing, call us at 1-800-263-1139 ext. 22. You can also e-mail us at intake@... > http://www.equalityrights.org/cera/ > > I live in Ottawa,Ontario and have a couple of times needed to inform a company that MCS [and also EMS] is an official disability and has to be accommodated in Canada. Some insurance companies in particular, in my experience, seem to not realize that MCS/EHS is an official disability in Canada. Some insurance companies like Halifax Insurance have a policy to accommodate disabilities regardless if they are "official " or not but others like The Co-operators attempt to insist that "insurance companies do not need to accommodate environmental sensitivities". I have been quite surprised a couple of times by how many people with environmental illnesses do not realize that they legally have to be accommodated. > I believe there is an organization in BC which has filed 2 class action lawsuits against smart meter companies -- one lawsuit is for the violation of human rights under the Canadian Charter of Human Rights and the other lawsuit liability for Personal Injury > > Canadian Human Rights Commission > National Office > 344 Slater Street, 8th Floor, Ottawa, Ontario K1A 1E1, Canada > Telephone: > (613) 995-1151 > Toll Free: 1-888-214-1090 > TTY: 1-888-643-3304 > Fax: (613) 996-9661 > Regional Offices > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/about/reach_us-eng.aspx > > --- > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_hypersensibilitee/page7-eng.aspx > > Electromagnetic radiation and fields > > "Electromagnetic radiation" covers a broad range of frequencies (over 20 orders of magnitude), from low frequencies in electricity supplies, radiowaves and microwaves, infrared and visible light, to x-rays and cosmic rays.224 Our limited understanding of the biological effects of the vast majority of frequencies gives reason for concern.225-230 Although there is still debate in this regard,231-233 tinnitus, brain tumours and acoustic neuroma are associated with cell phones and mobile phones. 234-237 > > Communications and radar antennae expose those who live or work near these installations to their emissions. The radiation travels through buildings, and can also be conducted along electrical wires or metal plumbing. Wireless communications create levels within buildings that are orders of magnitude higher than natural background levels.238 > > The World Health Organization (WHO) acknowledges the condition of electromagnetic sensitivity, and published a 2006 research agenda for radio-frequency fields.239 The WHO recommends that people reporting sensitivities receive a comprehensive health evaluation. It states: "Some studies suggest that certain physiological responses of EHS individuals tend to be outside the normal range. In particular, hyperactivity in the central nervous system and imbalance in the autonomic nervous system need to be followed up in clinical investigations and the results for the individuals taken as input for possible treatment." Studies of individuals with sensitivities ought to consider sufficient acclimatization of subjects as recommended by Joffres for chemical sensitivities,72 as well as recognition of individuals' wavelength-specific sensitivities. Reduction of electromagnetic radiation may ameliorate symptoms in people with chronic fatigue.240 > > It is worth noting that off-gassing of electrical equipment may also contribute to sensitivities.84 Different sorts of technology (e.g. various medical equipment, analogue or digital telephones; flat screen monitors and laptop computers or larger older monitors) may vary significantly in strength, frequency and pattern of electromagnetic fields.238 > ---- > THE MEDICAL PERSPECTIVE ON ENVIRONMENTAL SENSITIVITIES > By: Margaret E. Sears (M.Eng., Ph.D.) > Abstract > Approximately 3% of Canadians have been diagnosed with environmental sensitivities, and many more are somewhat sensitive to traces of chemicals and/or electromagnetic phenomena in the environment. People experience neurological and numerous other symptoms, and avoidance of triggers is an essential step to regaining health. The Canadian Human Rights Commission commissioned this report to summarize scientific information about environmental sensitivities. For those interested in the original scientific and technical literature, an annotated bibliography is available on request from environmentalhealthmed@... This report addresses issues such as the definition and prevalence of environmental sensitivities; recognition by medical authorities; education and training within the medical community; origins, triggers and symptoms of sensitivities; impact of environmental sensitivities in the workplace; government policies and standards for building codes, > air quality and ventilation as they affect individuals with environmental sensitivities; and guidelines for accommodation within the workplace. For people with environmental sensitivities, their health and ability to work rests with the actions of others, including building managers, co-workers and clients. Accommodating people with environmental sensitivities presents an opportunity to improve workplace environmental quality and worker performance, and may help prevent the onset of sensitivities in others. > > To view the full report please connect to link below: > Medical Perspective > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_hypersensibilitee/toc_tdm-eng.aspx > > For further information on environmental sensitivities, click on the following Commission publications: > The Medical Perspective on Environmental Sensitivities > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/pdf/envsensitivity_en.pdf > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_hypersensibilitee/toc_tdm-eng.aspx > > ACCOMODATION FOR ENVIRONMENTAL SENSITIVITIES: LEGAL PERSPECTIVE > By: Cara Wilkie and David Baker > Abstract > > Environmental sensitivities are a group of poorly understood medical conditions that cause people to react adversely to environmental triggers. The Canadian Human Rights Commission commissioned this report, in which the researchers seek to establish the status of the issues related to environmental sensitivities from a legal perspective and as these relate to the protection of human rights. The researchers examined case law, consulted experts and examined secondary sources on accommodation of people with environmental sensitivities in Canada, the United States, Australia, New Zealand and the United Kingdom, in order to answer several questions in the Canadian context: What is the status of the case law in these jurisdictions? Do building codes act as barriers to people with environmental sensitivities? What best practices emerge from the case law? How are conflicting interests reconciled? How can third parties be involved in the accommodation process? > Where is the threshold of undue hardship? How are conflicts regarding accommodation preferences resolved? > > To view the full report please connect to link below: > Accomodation / Legal Perspective > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_legal_hypersensibilitee/toc_tdm-eng.aspx > > Accommodation for Environmental Sensitivities: Legal Perspective > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/pdf/legal_sensitivity_en.pdf > References: http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_hypersensibilitee/page14-eng.aspx > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_legal_hypersensibilitee/toc_tdm-eng.aspx > > Ontario Human Rights Commission Policy & Guidlines on Disabiliy & the Duty to Accommodate > http://www.ohrc.on.ca/en/resources/Policies/PolicyDisAccom2/pdf > > blessings > Shan > > --- In [hidden email], Josephine Z <z.josephine@> wrote: > > > > Aimee, I also live in > > Canada.  While I have been a member for over one-month, this is my first > > post and my introduction to the group. > > > > Unfortunately, the > > apartment building where I live already has "the not so smart > > meters". They were installed this year.  There is also lots of cell > > phone antennas all over the city I live in.  > > > > > > A few years ago I was > > also diagnosed with fibro by my MD. I sought a second opinion from an > > alternative doctor, whose specialty, amongst others, was treating his patients > > who suffer from fibromyalgia. Although EMS is not yet fully accepted diagnosis > > by the medical field, my osteopath (MD as well), after examining me, and after > > hearing me tell the story of cell phone tower antennas having been installed > > all over my community since the > > mid-eighties without the public's knowledge, advised me that I was most likely > > exposed to Electromagnetic Fields.  > > > > I am not sure whether the product you > > mention is reliable or not... I know, for myself, it seems the only route to > > take, was to detoxify...  If you want to know more, you can email me > > privately. > > > > > > In the meantime, did you google the product and what others say about it? > >  > > Josephine > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Aimee <ohkanaduh@> > > To: [hidden email] > > Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 10:56:15 PM > > Subject: [eSens] New member > > > > > >  > > Hello gang, > > just to give some background on me, I am a nurse that was injured on the job. Not working now. The injury went to Myofascial Pain, Fibromyalgia and now Enviromental and Electrical Sensitivies. Are we having fun yet?? nope. > > > > I live in Canada. Our town is getting the Not-So-Smart-Meters and so far I have been able to keep them away , but it's only a matter of time before they install one and it's on a bedroom wall. I have tried a whole house 'harmonizer' (cause I forgot the correct word lol ) but my husband has a pacemaker and we found it too strong. We both had flu symptoms when I would plug it in! I have finally been able to tolerate the Pendant I got from the same place. > > > > Does anyone have any experience with Gia Products? or Earth Calm? other then that I don't have a clue what we can do to protect ourselves. I would love some ideas from those who have been there..... > > thank you in advance > > Aimee > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Hi, I do agree that there are many Dr's who are arrogant. However..........If I had allowed myself to believe that "we are stuck with what we get"; I wouldn't have been able to find the information needed, put it together, and helped my Es daughter progress, from a ten ES being severe, to a ONE! I'm not saying this was easy. I'm not saying I waved a magic wand. It was hardwork, and it paid off. When we speak/use limiting words, we essentially lock ourselves in those words/beliefs. I was bound and determined to FIND A WAY. And I did. And much of every success andvictory is attitude, mindset, and the words we speak DO make a difference. With that said, my words for this situation, are this:"Somewhere in your area, there IS a Dr, who is open minded, taking new patients, willing towork with ES/MCS, Fibro, ect, and you will find that person quickly." Speak what you WANT. Even if you don't feel it, speak it. Fake it if you have to. Imagine whatsuccess in this situation will look like. This technique has been applied by olympic medalist, andanyone who succeeded against what appeared to be, great odds. Blessings, Lizzie
To: [hidden email]; [hidden email] From: [hidden email] Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 21:45:21 -0700 Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: New member I don't know of any doctor in BC that will give out their email address. Mine sure wouldn't. As far as telling my doctor that he works for me etc, I ddon't know about Josephine's doc but mine would not stand for that. He is the most arrogant person....... but , where I come from there is such a shortage, there is not another doctor taking new patients , and they know it and abuse it. We are really stuck with what we get. |
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Lizzie, thanks for your email. I am not looking, from my doctor, anything she cannot provide. I rather, in a more positive note, continue on my path of recovery and get well, without the need of taking prescription drugs. Will however get my doctor all the information and see how she will react and I shall pass it on to the group.
Josephine ________________________________ From: Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]> To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 6:49:06 PM Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: New member Hi Shan and Josephine, Bravo Shan! I don’t know which part I liked best: the “I won’t help a doctor hide their head in the sand” or the “I can’t help you with spineless doctors!”. Josephine: You state you are going to see if your family dr is “willing” to share her email address with you? I’m hoping you have family support and if you do; perhaps a few phone calls from various family members would be in order. First to remind this “family doctor” that she is the employee and works for you! Second, to remind her/him that they have a DUTY to do NO harm. In essence, by choosing NOT to address this issue in a fair manner, they are sending a message to other patients that they do not abide by this credo. Especially as this is a recognized condition in your country, and I might add, it was a hard won victory. I have an Esser friend who lives in Florida, and an Environmental Dr signed his diagnosis “Radiation damage”. First time I’ve ever known a Dr in the US to do this. Josephine, Shan is right. You’re going to have to be firm and not take NO for an answer. Politely but firmly state what you require. If need be, call this Dr’s office EVERY day until you succeed! Again, one does not need to be rude, just pleasantly firm as in : "I'm not going away until I get what I need!" Blessings, Lizzie To: [hidden email] From: [hidden email] Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 17:10:10 -0700 Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: New member Thanks Shan... I will try to see whether my family doctor is prepared to give me her email address so I can send her the links... Many doctors prefer putting their head in the sand, but there is no harm in trying... Josephine ________________________________ From: bestsurprise2 <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 4:56:30 PM Subject: [eSens] Re: New member My understanding is the legislature said that MCS was an "Environmental Illness" and that EMS was also sensitivities to part of the environment -- the same thing but sensitivities to frequencies instead of chemicals and they concluded that sensitivities to electromagnetic frequencies was just another kind of sensitivities - like some people with allergies react to dust and some are sensitive to grass and some are sensitive to corn,some react to eggs, some to milk, etc-- but dust, grass, corn,eggs,milk etc are all considered allergies. So chemicals and frequencies are all lumped together too and called MCS or an Environmental Illness. Please do not ask me to understand this....... In the pdf files about MCS etc -- they do mention Fibro and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and say they are environmental illnesses -- but I get the impression that "they" again think that those disorders are part and parcel of MCS too.......the language in the legislature is is not as clear & specific though about Fibro and CFS as it is about EMS .... I suspect that because of that , "legally" there is room for argument.........regarding Fibro and CFS. In my experience not even all doctors whom specialize in Environmental Illnesses know about the legislature in 2007 --though they should. Policy on Environmental Sensitivities http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/legislation_policies/policy_environ_politique-eng.aspx If you find a mainstream medical doctor that knows that MCS and EMS are "official" environmental illnesses in Canada, well we are close to a miracle here in my perception......... Why don't you give to your doctors that url to the legislature http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/legislation_policies/policy_environ_politique-eng.aspx ; as it also contains links to the Medical & Legal pdf files and if they are truly interested they can download and read the pdf files. You can also give your doctors the 800 number to the federal office of the Human Rights Commission 1-888-643-3304 If a doctor won't stand behind his/her own diagnosis , then they are not very confident of their own abilities , in my perception. Medical doctors with spine and the character to stand behind what they say are in short supply in my experience. I can't help you with doctors whom are spineless - the only way I have ever been able to deal with them is to avoid them as much as possible...However in my experience most medical doctors are very very poorly informed - Environmental Illness doctors are generally better informed but not all of them --it takes a certain amount of work to be informed, plus if the doctors do not know something,they can ignore it. [[gee I am getting cynical!] I also get the feeling that the government really went out on a limb, so to speak, in their perception, with the legislature and ran out of guts/character so didn't strongly include Fibro and CFS........in other words , they got cold feet before they were properly finished......Still having even only MCS and EMS recognized is no small thing -- though now there are several other countries that also recognize MCS & EHS, like Sweden, Germany, Spain, France, Japan, etc And things are going in the right direction even in the States.......... EI [Environmental Illnesses] docs are board certified in at least 8 states in the USA , thus it is recognized in these states. Plus the courses for Environmental Illnesses are accredited by the AMA for CME. Thirty-six governors and mayors across America have already issued proclamations that May was Multiple Chemical Sensitivity and Toxic Injury Awareness Month in America in an effort to raise public awareness of the risks faced everyday by Americans living with multiple chemical sensitivity and toxic injury. This information is on at least 2 websites that I know of, just off of the top of my head at the moment - including a list of which governors and mayors etc and the signed proclamations If it was me; I would definitely inform all my doctors -- I will not help a doctor to hide his/her head in the sand....... regardless how well intentioned the doctor will sometimes be. We live in a reality and if we are going to get "effective" medical care and assistance then we have to be able to deal with what is real.....I am not saying it is easy .....I am saying that it is necessary. blessings Shan --- In [hidden email], Josephine Z <z.josephine@...> wrote: > > Thanks Shan.  > > When I told my family doctor, who diagnosed me with fibro that my osteopath said I was most likely inflicted with EMS, she said that, even so, it was not recognized in Canada, nor in BC.  This was in 2009.   My family doctor, although, believes it off record that I have EMS, she is not willing to put it on the record.  Whereas, I am doing better, I still need to move out from the city, sooner than later, so that the natural health protocol I am on will have a full effect.  In the meantime, you think I should let my MD know about the information you provided me with?  If EMS is an "official disability" than I wonder why the federal governemt is not recognizing fibro as an "official disability"? > > Josephine   > > > ________________________________ > From: bestsurprise2 <surpriseshan2@...> > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 11:43:24 AM > Subject: [eSens] Re: New member > > >  > Josephine are you aware that Electromagnetic Sensitivities is considered an "official" disability in Canada? it is considered to be an Environmental Illness and similar to MCS [Multiple Chemical Sensitivities]. If I remember correctly/I am pretty sure that Fibromyalgia [FM]and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome [CFS] are also Environmental Illnesses. > On the Canadian Human Rights Commission website http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/ they have a pdf file of the medical reasons why EMS is a disability as well as a pdf file of the legal reasons; plus also explaining that MCS and EMS have to be accommodated in Canada-- the legislature was passed in Jan/Feb of 2007 EMS is considered to be part of MCS. Plus since the disorder you have does quality as an "official" disability ,you also qualify for this > > CERA - Centre for Equality Rights in Accommodations > The Centre for Equality Rights in Accommodation (CERA) is the only organization in Canada dedicated to ending discrimination in housing and promoting human rights in housing. > CERA carries out this work through public education, research, law reform, human rights casework, test case litigation and using international human rights law and mechanisms. > If you have experienced discrimination related to your housing, call us at 1-800-263-1139 ext. 22. You can also e-mail us at intake@... > http://www.equalityrights.org/cera/ > > I live in Ottawa,Ontario and have a couple of times needed to inform a company that MCS [and also EMS] is an official disability and has to be accommodated in Canada. Some insurance companies in particular, in my experience, seem to not realize that MCS/EHS is an official disability in Canada. Some insurance companies like Halifax Insurance have a policy to accommodate disabilities regardless if they are "official " or not but others like The Co-operators attempt to insist that "insurance companies do not need to accommodate environmental sensitivities". I have been quite surprised a couple of times by how many people with environmental illnesses do not realize that they legally have to be accommodated. > I believe there is an organization in BC which has filed 2 class action lawsuits against smart meter companies -- one lawsuit is for the violation of human rights under the Canadian Charter of Human Rights and the other lawsuit liability for Personal Injury > > Canadian Human Rights Commission > National Office > 344 Slater Street, 8th Floor, Ottawa, Ontario K1A 1E1, Canada > Telephone: > (613) 995-1151 > Toll Free: 1-888-214-1090 > TTY: 1-888-643-3304 > Fax: (613) 996-9661 > Regional Offices > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/about/reach_us-eng.aspx > > --- > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_hypersensibilitee/page7-eng.aspx > > Electromagnetic radiation and fields > > "Electromagnetic radiation" covers a broad range of frequencies (over 20 orders of magnitude), from low frequencies in electricity supplies, radiowaves and microwaves, infrared and visible light, to x-rays and cosmic rays.224 Our limited understanding of the biological effects of the vast majority of frequencies gives reason for concern.225-230 Although there is still debate in this regard,231-233 tinnitus, brain tumours and acoustic neuroma are associated with cell phones and mobile phones. 234-237 > > Communications and radar antennae expose those who live or work near these installations to their emissions. The radiation travels through buildings, and can also be conducted along electrical wires or metal plumbing. Wireless communications create levels within buildings that are orders of magnitude higher than natural background levels.238 > > The World Health Organization (WHO) acknowledges the condition of electromagnetic sensitivity, and published a 2006 research agenda for radio-frequency fields.239 The WHO recommends that people reporting sensitivities receive a comprehensive health evaluation. It states: "Some studies suggest that certain physiological responses of EHS individuals tend to be outside the normal range. In particular, hyperactivity in the central nervous system and imbalance in the autonomic nervous system need to be followed up in clinical investigations and the results for the individuals taken as input for possible treatment." Studies of individuals with sensitivities ought to consider sufficient acclimatization of subjects as recommended by Joffres for chemical sensitivities,72 as well as recognition of individuals' wavelength-specific sensitivities. Reduction of electromagnetic radiation may ameliorate symptoms in people with chronic fatigue.240 > > It is worth noting that off-gassing of electrical equipment may also contribute to sensitivities.84 Different sorts of technology (e.g. various medical equipment, analogue or digital telephones; flat screen monitors and laptop computers or larger older monitors) may vary significantly in strength, frequency and pattern of electromagnetic fields.238 > ---- > THE MEDICAL PERSPECTIVE ON ENVIRONMENTAL SENSITIVITIES > By: Margaret E. Sears (M.Eng., Ph.D.) > Abstract > Approximately 3% of Canadians have been diagnosed with environmental sensitivities, and many more are somewhat sensitive to traces of chemicals and/or electromagnetic phenomena in the environment. People experience neurological and numerous other symptoms, and avoidance of triggers is an essential step to regaining health. The Canadian Human Rights Commission commissioned this report to summarize scientific information about environmental sensitivities. For those interested in the original scientific and technical literature, an annotated bibliography is available on request from environmentalhealthmed@... This report addresses issues such as the definition and prevalence of environmental sensitivities; recognition by medical authorities; education and training within the medical community; origins, triggers and symptoms of sensitivities; impact of environmental sensitivities in the workplace; government policies and standards for building codes, > air quality and ventilation as they affect individuals with environmental sensitivities; and guidelines for accommodation within the workplace. For people with environmental sensitivities, their health and ability to work rests with the actions of others, including building managers, co-workers and clients. Accommodating people with environmental sensitivities presents an opportunity to improve workplace environmental quality and worker performance, and may help prevent the onset of sensitivities in others. > > To view the full report please connect to link below: > Medical Perspective > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_hypersensibilitee/toc_tdm-eng.aspx > > For further information on environmental sensitivities, click on the following Commission publications: > The Medical Perspective on Environmental Sensitivities > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/pdf/envsensitivity_en.pdf > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_hypersensibilitee/toc_tdm-eng.aspx > > ACCOMODATION FOR ENVIRONMENTAL SENSITIVITIES: LEGAL PERSPECTIVE > By: Cara Wilkie and David Baker > Abstract > > Environmental sensitivities are a group of poorly understood medical conditions that cause people to react adversely to environmental triggers. The Canadian Human Rights Commission commissioned this report, in which the researchers seek to establish the status of the issues related to environmental sensitivities from a legal perspective and as these relate to the protection of human rights. The researchers examined case law, consulted experts and examined secondary sources on accommodation of people with environmental sensitivities in Canada, the United States, Australia, New Zealand and the United Kingdom, in order to answer several questions in the Canadian context: What is the status of the case law in these jurisdictions? Do building codes act as barriers to people with environmental sensitivities? What best practices emerge from the case law? How are conflicting interests reconciled? How can third parties be involved in the accommodation process? > Where is the threshold of undue hardship? How are conflicts regarding accommodation preferences resolved? > > To view the full report please connect to link below: > Accomodation / Legal Perspective > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_legal_hypersensibilitee/toc_tdm-eng.aspx > > Accommodation for Environmental Sensitivities: Legal Perspective > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/pdf/legal_sensitivity_en.pdf > References: http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_hypersensibilitee/page14-eng.aspx > http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/research_program_recherche/esensitivities_legal_hypersensibilitee/toc_tdm-eng.aspx > > Ontario Human Rights Commission Policy & Guidlines on Disabiliy & the Duty to Accommodate > http://www.ohrc.on.ca/en/resources/Policies/PolicyDisAccom2/pdf > > blessings > Shan > > --- In [hidden email], Josephine Z <z.josephine@> wrote: > > > > Aimee, I also live in > > Canada.  While I have been a member for over one-month, this is my first > > post and my introduction to the group. > > > > Unfortunately, the > > apartment building where I live already has "the not so smart > > meters". They were installed this year.  There is also lots of cell > > phone antennas all over the city I live in.  > > > > > > A few years ago I was > > also diagnosed with fibro by my MD. I sought a second opinion from an > > alternative doctor, whose specialty, amongst others, was treating his patients > > who suffer from fibromyalgia. Although EMS is not yet fully accepted diagnosis > > by the medical field, my osteopath (MD as well), after examining me, and after > > hearing me tell the story of cell phone tower antennas having been installed > > all over my community since the > > mid-eighties without the public's knowledge, advised me that I was most likely > > exposed to Electromagnetic Fields.  > > > > I am not sure whether the product you > > mention is reliable or not... I know, for myself, it seems the only route to > > take, was to detoxify...  If you want to know more, you can email me > > privately. > > > > > > In the meantime, did you google the product and what others say about it? > >  > > Josephine > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Aimee <ohkanaduh@> > > To: [hidden email] > > Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 10:56:15 PM > > Subject: [eSens] New member > > > > > >  > > Hello gang, > > just to give some background on me, I am a nurse that was injured on the job. Not working now. The injury went to Myofascial Pain, Fibromyalgia and now Enviromental and Electrical Sensitivies. Are we having fun yet?? nope. > > > > I live in Canada. Our town is getting the Not-So-Smart-Meters and so far I have been able to keep them away , but it's only a matter of time before they install one and it's on a bedroom wall. I have tried a whole house 'harmonizer' (cause I forgot the correct word lol ) but my husband has a pacemaker and we found it too strong. We both had flu symptoms when I would plug it in! I have finally been able to tolerate the Pendant I got from the same place. > > > > Does anyone have any experience with Gia Products? or Earth Calm? other then that I don't have a clue what we can do to protect ourselves. I would love some ideas from those who have been there..... > > thank you in advance > > Aimee > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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On July 30, Aimee <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Marc > what I tried was Scalar Home Protection System from earthcalm. I tried the > few minutes on few off gradual 'doses' and I just didnt like that it made me > feel edgy, crabby as well as flu like. Ahh, yes, we experienced adverse reactions to the Earthcalm stuff as well -- finally got around it by plugging the thing into a timer that automatically turned on and off every 5 - 20 minutes. And I'm not really sure if the Earthcalm stuff ever really made much difference in terms on my EMF tolerance, but I do acknowledge that the products themselves were difficult to tolerate! Marc |
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