Hi All! I'm living in a studio casita and landlord bought a new t.v. for it. I am really sick. I can exchange it. What kind of t.v. would be least toxic to purchase? And what all is in it that is toxic. Fire retardant? It's EMF plus all the other chemicals I suppose. Loni [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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On June 7, Loni <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I'm living in a studio casita and landlord bought a new t.v. for it. I am really sick. I can exchange it. > What kind of t.v. would be least toxic to purchase? And what all is in it that is toxic. Fire retardant? > It's EMF plus all the other chemicals I suppose. Loni, If it's the newness that's bothering you, then perhaps finding a used TV would work better? Some people are bothered by the LED backlighting that is used in many newer LCD television sets. As much as I hate to say it, flourescent backlighting may work better for you. I've had little problem with the Sony and Panasonic television sets I've purchased in recent years (admittedly it's been a few years -- I don't have any set that is a current model) Also I don't feed any TV set a 1080P signal -- I find 1080I to be more tolerable. Marc |
Good luck. Several months ago I think I tried 4 new ones, and had to take them all back. Im using second hand, just like Marc suggested.
Aimee --- On Fri, 6/7/13, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] New T.V. Please Help! To: [hidden email] Date: Friday, June 7, 2013, 12:25 PM On June 7, Loni <[hidden email]> wrote: > I'm living in a studio casita and landlord bought a new t.v. for it. I am really sick. I can exchange it. > What kind of t.v. would be least toxic to purchase? And what all is in it that is toxic. Fire retardant? > It's EMF plus all the other chemicals I suppose. Loni, If it's the newness that's bothering you, then perhaps finding a used TV would work better? Some people are bothered by the LED backlighting that is used in many newer LCD television sets. As much as I hate to say it, flourescent backlighting may work better for you. I've had little problem with the Sony and Panasonic television sets I've purchased in recent years (admittedly it's been a few years -- I don't have any set that is a current model) Also I don't feed any TV set a 1080P signal -- I find 1080I to be more tolerable. Marc ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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I find LED TV's to be more painful than LCD"S
I react less to 720P LCD's. You can still find some new ones. Kathy On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote: > ** > > > On June 7, Loni <[hidden email]> wrote: > > I'm living in a studio casita and landlord bought a new t.v. for it. I > am really sick. I can exchange it. > > What kind of t.v. would be least toxic to purchase? And what all is in > it that is toxic. Fire retardant? > > It's EMF plus all the other chemicals I suppose. > > Loni, If it's the newness that's bothering you, then perhaps finding a > used TV would > work better? > > Some people are bothered by the LED backlighting that is used in many > newer > LCD television sets. As much as I hate to say it, flourescent backlighting > may > work better for you. > > I've had little problem with the Sony and Panasonic television sets I've > purchased > in recent years (admittedly it's been a few years -- I don't have any set > that is > a current model) > > Also I don't feed any TV set a 1080P signal -- I find 1080I to be more > tolerable. > > Marc > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Many new TVs are now equipped with Wifi. Try going into the settings menu of the TV and see if there is a wireless option and disable it and then take note if you feel better.
I recently purchased a device which enabled internet video streaming to my TV. It said on the box that it operated either wirelessly or with an ethernet cable. I set it up with the cable, adjusted settings, and let it rip. It gave me that sick feeling I get from Wifi, so I checked connections. It turns out that even if the device is configured to use an ethernet cable, the wifi could not be shut off, so that both the device and its remote control were emitting pulsed microwaves which I verified with a high frequency meter. I also verified this with the manufacturer who admitted that the Wifi cannot be turned off - to which I replied that their product description was misleading. They did allow me to return it. Most of the new TVs that I have seen with Wifi do allow it to be shut off, but this may not be the case in the future. I hate wireless! |
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Is it with WiFi ?
Martin Le 07/06/2013 20:12, Loni a écrit : > > > > Hi All! > > I'm living in a studio casita and landlord bought a new t.v. for it. I > am really sick. I can exchange it. What kind of t.v. would be least > toxic to purchase? And what all is in it that is toxic. Fire > retardant? It's EMF plus all the other chemicals I suppose. > > Loni > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
I don't understand. wifi? It is not a smart tv. Loni
----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Martin Kempf <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2013 4:23 PM Subject: Re: [eSens] New T.V. Please Help! Is it with WiFi ? Martin Le 07/06/2013 20:12, Loni a écrit : > > > > Hi All! > > I'm living in a studio casita and landlord bought a new t.v. for it. I > am really sick. I can exchange it. What kind of t.v. would be least > toxic to purchase? And what all is in it that is toxic. Fire > retardant? It's EMF plus all the other chemicals I suppose. > > Loni > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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On June 10, Loni <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I don't understand. wifi? It is not a smart tv. Loni I *think* some TV's have wi-fi built into them... presumably you can turn that off (I don't know). I'd also watch out for those TV's that have faster refresh rates (120hz, 240 hz), or anything fancy to improve your perception of motion on-screen (some sets rapidly turn on/off the backlight for this -- you DON'T want that) Marc |
aren't remotes based on wifi?
love, patricia On Jun 10, 2013, at 6:45 PM, Marc Martin wrote: > On June 10, Loni <[hidden email]> wrote: >> I don't understand. wifi? It is not a smart tv. Loni > > I *think* some TV's have wi-fi built into them... presumably > you can turn that off (I don't know). > > I'd also watch out for those TV's that have faster refresh > rates (120hz, 240 hz), or anything fancy to improve your > perception of motion on-screen (some sets rapidly turn > on/off the backlight for this -- you DON'T want that) > > Marc |
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On June 11, Patricia Robinett <[hidden email]> wrote:
> aren't remotes based on wifi? TV remotes are almost always infrared. I've never heard of anyone reacting badly to an infrared remote control. Marc |
My daughter reacted to the garage remote opener, and the
key fob remote. LIzzie To: [hidden email] From: [hidden email] Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 22:34:02 -0700 Subject: Re: [eSens] New T.V. Please Help! On June 11, Patricia Robinett <[hidden email]> wrote: > aren't remotes based on wifi? TV remotes are almost always infrared. I've never heard of anyone reacting badly to an infrared remote control. Marc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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On June 12, Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]> wrote:
> My daughter reacted to the garage remote opener, and the > key fob remote. Garage door openers *do* use radio frequencies -- mine are at around 300 Mhz -- so I'm not so surprised by this. Although I've personally never noticed mine, and the exposure times should be minimal for typical use. Marc |
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or anything fancy to improve your > perception of motion on-screen (some sets rapidly turn > on/off the backlight for this -- you DON'T want that) > > Marc > But I suppose the "trick" is guessing which TVs use this technology - since this seems like something that TV manufacterers don't disclose? Hi Marc, hi all - I'm sorry that I haven't found the time to write in much. Though I haven't been posting, I have consulted eSens when I've wanted to look up information on a specific issue. This group's archives can be a valuable resource. I just happened upon your 2-month-old post because I unfortunately find myself in the market for yet another new bedroom TV. I was looking to see if I can glean any insights or tips that may have been recently posted here. A couple of years ago - after a tedious and somewhat prolonged search, I settled on a 26" Samsung LED TV (UN26D4003). Well, a week ago - burglars broke into our house, and this tv was one of the items that was stolen. So in a way, I have to start the process all over again. (Do you think if the thieves had known that I was e.s., they would have empathized and left my property alone? Sure, they would have!) As far as getting exactly what I had before - there are little-to-no options in that regard. These Samsung models have mostly vanished from the market; those that are still around are over $300, and may be sold by vendors that may cause Samsung to disregard my warranty should I develop problems with the tv. But it's both interesting and threatening to see how the mainstream tv market has changed in 2 years. Two years ago, CCFL (fluorescent backlight) LCD TVs were still pretty firmly established as the main type of LCD TVs being sold. Now, it seems that the CCFL LCDs have vanished from showroom floors and they are selling nothing but LED TVs now. I was trying to be optimistic about this change - there are some (non-e.s.-related?) positives about LED TVs - but perhaps circumstances and reading this group may bring me back to a sobering reality. For some odd reason, several manufacterers have mostly moved away from 26" TVs, too. I found the 26" to be a good size for my bedroom - 22" TVs just seem too small to focus on from the opposite side of the room. Now, there seem to be more 24" TVs than 26" TVs - I may go with that size. It seems that the market is pushing the consumer who used to have 26" TVs to go larger, though. Exactly what an e.s.'er needs. There was one 26" TV available that I thought would work - a LG (26LN4500). But - now that I've bought it, I've found it to be considerably worse than I perceived it to be in the store. I will probably return it. Maybe a cheaper, lower-caliber t.v. might work better - such as an Insignia. There is a 26" Samsung LED TV (2013 model?) that I can buy directly from the Samsung website - but I'm afraid that this particular TV will be much like the nasty LG. The 2011 Samsung that I found relatively tolerable may have been somewhat of an anomaly. While in the store, I noticed that the LG had the more vivid colors and greater picture-quality than many of the other sets - perhaps whatever makes this set have such a quality picture also generates more radiation, I'm not sure. ~Svetaswan |
IMO, the best way to assess each TV is to use a cheap battery powered AM radio. Place it near the screen and you'll hear a screach. See how far away you have to move it before it stops making detectable noise.
~=~ Hud _________________________________________________________ nam tua res agitur, paries cum proximus ardet You too are in danger when your neighbor's house is on fire (Horace) >________________________________ > From: svetaswan <[hidden email]> >To: [hidden email] >Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 6:57:29 PM >Subject: Re: Fw: [eSens] New T.V. Please Help! > > > > > > > >or anything fancy to improve your >> perception of motion on-screen (some sets rapidly turn >> on/off the backlight for this -- you DON'T want that) >> >> Marc >> > >But I suppose the "trick" is guessing which TVs use this technology - since this seems like something that TV manufacterers don't disclose? > >Hi Marc, hi all - I'm sorry that I haven't found the time to write in much. Though I haven't been posting, I have consulted eSens when I've wanted to look up information on a specific issue. This group's archives can be a valuable resource. > >I just happened upon your 2-month-old post because I unfortunately find myself in the market for yet another new bedroom TV. I was looking to see if I can glean any insights or tips that may have been recently posted here. A couple of years ago - after a tedious and somewhat prolonged search, I settled on a 26" Samsung LED TV (UN26D4003). Well, a week ago - burglars broke into our house, and this tv was one of the items that was stolen. So in a way, I have to start the process all over again. (Do you think if the thieves had known that I was e.s., they would have empathized and left my property alone? Sure, they would have!) > >As far as getting exactly what I had before - there are little-to-no options in that regard. These Samsung models have mostly vanished from the market; those that are still around are over $300, and may be sold by vendors that may cause Samsung to disregard my warranty should I develop problems with the tv. > >But it's both interesting and threatening to see how the mainstream tv market has changed in 2 years. Two years ago, CCFL (fluorescent backlight) LCD TVs were still pretty firmly established as the main type of LCD TVs being sold. Now, it seems that the CCFL LCDs have vanished from showroom floors and they are selling nothing but LED TVs now. I was trying to be optimistic about this change - there are some (non-e.s.-related?) positives about LED TVs - but perhaps circumstances and reading this group may bring me back to a sobering reality. > >For some odd reason, several manufacterers have mostly moved away from 26" TVs, too. I found the 26" to be a good size for my bedroom - 22" TVs just seem too small to focus on from the opposite side of the room. Now, there seem to be more 24" TVs than 26" TVs - I may go with that size. It seems that the market is pushing the consumer who used to have 26" TVs to go larger, though. Exactly what an e.s.'er needs. > >There was one 26" TV available that I thought would work - a LG (26LN4500). But - now that I've bought it, I've found it to be considerably worse than I perceived it to be in the store. I will probably return it. Maybe a cheaper, lower-caliber t.v. might work better - such as an Insignia. There is a 26" Samsung LED TV (2013 model?) that I can buy directly from the Samsung website - but I'm afraid that this particular TV will be much like the nasty LG. The 2011 Samsung that I found relatively tolerable may have been somewhat of an anomaly. > >While in the store, I noticed that the LG had the more vivid colors and greater picture-quality than many of the other sets - perhaps whatever makes this set have such a quality picture also generates more radiation, I'm not sure. > >~Svetaswan > > > >------------------------------------ > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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On July 26, svetaswan <[hidden email]> wrote:
> or anything fancy to improve your > > perception of motion on-screen (some sets rapidly turn > > on/off the backlight for this -- you DON'T want that) > But I suppose the "trick" is guessing which TVs use this technology - > since this seems like something that TV manufacterers don't disclose? Umm, if you research TV's online, you can probably figure out if they are doing anything fancy in their product specifications (or a PDF of the users guide). > As far as getting exactly what I had before - there are little-to-no options in that regard. I use a 26" Sony HDTV as a computer monitor -- very tolerable, but several years old. Originally $1000 new, but I see a used one on eBay for $150: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lightly-Used-Sony-Bravia-26s3000-LCD-Digital-HD-TV-/400536545404?pt=Televisions&hash=item5d41d6a87c Marc |
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--- In [hidden email], H J R <hudjr@...> wrote: > > IMO, the best way to assess each TV is to use a cheap battery powered AM radio. Place it near the screen and you'll hear a screach. See how far away you have to move it before it stops making detectable noise. > > > > ~=~ > Hud > _________________________________________________________ > Thanks for the tip - but these days, I'm more leery/gunshy than ever about doing this in public. This is one of the "tricks" I learned about as I was joining this group a few years ago - and I would do this a fair number of times in stores as I desperately searched for a computer and a TV that I could tolerate. I often felt quite self-conscious as I was doing this (when you suffer from social anxiety as I do - such things are a big deal) - and I felt like it may have drawn some negative attention. From my experience, employees are quick to suspect you as a possible shoplifter anyway; pulling out the portable radio was just one more thing that employees regarded as "suspicious". Or maybe I just don't like looking more conspicuous - for it draws attention. It's already hard enough for me to be in these stores, period. But we're talking about my health, here - maybe I should just suck it up! The thing is - I'm not totally sure that "radio buzz" strongly correlates with symptoms. The Apple Products I tested (Macbook Pros, iMacs) didn't seem to provoke any strong radio sounds - yet the Macbook Pros were among the very worst computers for me from an e.s. standpoint. This is yet another reason why I resent those burglars - they put me in a position of having to do this all over again...sooner than expected. Whereas I expected to not worry about having to find a TV for at least another few years - now I'm having to do research and revisit stores just two years later. (Long story short - I managed to find an identical replacement for the relatively-tolerable laptop they stole.) ~Svetaswan |
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On July 26, svetaswan <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Thanks for the tip - but these days, I'm more leery/gunshy than ever about doing this in public. Well, you may not need to use a radio... as I recall, the last time I shopped for a TV, I just stood in front of each model to see if was a problem. But that's not going to help if you suffer from delayed reactions... Marc |
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--- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote: > > Umm, if you research TV's online, you can probably figure out if they > are doing anything fancy in their product specifications (or a PDF of > the users guide). ----------------> Oh, o.k.. I've looked at a few PDFs of User Guides within the last few days (sometimes comparing the info found in these PDFs to that found in the User Guide of my stolen Samsung TV). I guess I'm not expert enough to know exactly what to look for to determine if a TV is employing "dirty tricks" to improve picture/motion quality (such as turning the LEDs on and off at a rapid rate). Do many of the experts even know everything about exactly how these devices work? For example, there is an article on the "Conrad Biologic" website in which Richard Conrad seems to suggest that Apple products (and other modern electronics) are so "power efficient" because the power levels are wildly fluctuating many times per second - a technique which may contribute to bothersome radiation. But it seems that he didn't really know this for sure - he was just postulating, or making an educated guess. > > I use a 26" Sony HDTV as a computer monitor -- very tolerable, but several > years old. Originally $1000 new, but I see a used one on eBay for $150: > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lightly-Used-Sony-Bravia-26s3000-LCD-Digital-HD-TV-/400536545404?pt=Televisions&hash=item5d41d6a87c > > Marc > ------------------>Thanks for the link. Have you used your Sony as a TV at all - or is it safe to assume that if it is tolerable as a computer monitor, it would be tolerable as a TV? |
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--- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote: > > On July 26, svetaswan <svetaswan@...> wrote: > > Thanks for the tip - but these days, I'm more leery/gunshy than ever about doing this in public. > > Well, you may not need to use a radio... as I recall, the last time I shopped for a TV, I just > stood in front of each model to see if was a problem. But that's not going to help if you > suffer from delayed reactions... > > Marc > This is what I did this week in Best Buy, and in H.H. Gregg - I simply stood in front of the sets to try to get a "feel" for their radiation output. But apparently, those senses failed me - or there can be factors that make an accurate in-store determination tricky. I suppose how a TV feels in a large store with ample air circulation - could be different from how the same set feels inside of a space-challenged 11 ft. x 11 ft. room with poor air circulation. I was also somehow deceived into thinking that the LG TV would be more capable of producing a "warmer" color temperature. This set is too "blueish" for my taste. I didn't really stand in front of each set as long as I perhaps would have liked - I didn't want to attract suspicion or look overly conspicuous. If I could have - and if I had the time - I perhaps would have spent at least 5 minutes in front of each set that I was considering. ~Svetaswan |
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On July 26, svetaswan <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I didn't really stand in front of each set as long as I perhaps would have liked - I > didn't want to attract suspicion or look overly conspicuous. If I could have - and > if I had the time - I perhaps would have spent at least 5 minutes in front of each > set that I was considering. I probably spent about 30 minutes in front of the TV I ended up purchasing. :-) You just need to look like you are assessing the picture quality... or find the remote and play around with the settings. Or pretend you're watching a sports event on it. :-) Marc |
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