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Thanks - I want to wage war on these microbes - if they want a piece of me
they will have to pay the price !! puk In a message dated 03/10/2012 12:28:53 GMT Daylight Time, [hidden email] writes: www.survivingmold.com might be helpful to you. Some mold causes pain in my lungs as well when I breathe it. The thing that has worked the best for me to get relief is putting a little apple cider vinegar in water, and drinking that. Usually a cup does it, sometimes I have it a few times during the day, if it doesn't go away completely. ~ Snoshoe --- In _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) , paulpjc@... wrote: > > whats the best pre and post exposure treatment to mould ? I got a lung full > yesterday and I am already blocked up and tight chested.... > > puk > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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let the good energy flow I suppose, we need to let it do its stuff rather
than confound its passage with thoughts of agression, retaliation etc.. I see where you are coming from. puk In a message dated 03/10/2012 11:17:13 GMT Daylight Time, [hidden email] writes: I do the same for pre and post as below. For good measure, I meditate, relaxing, acknowledging the reality of the experience, watching out for resistance and releasing it. _paulpjc@aol.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) wrote thus at 04:57 PM 03-10-12: >whats the best pre and post exposure treatment to mould ? I got a lung full > yesterday and I am already blocked up and tight chested.... > >puk > > >In a message dated 03/10/2012 08:35:05 GMT Daylight Time, >_kumara.bhikkhu@gmail.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) writes: > > > > >muii20 wrote thus at 01:08 PM 01-10-12: > >I used the earthing bed sheet & earthing pad for 4 months, I didn't > >feel any benefits, my first biontology readings were very bad & > >still shown massive electron spin inversion, the magnetic therapy > >group did not recommend it as the reasons of what Marc have said, I > >stopped using the earthing products. > >We need to know what we're dealing with. See this from >__http://www.earthinginstitute.net/index.php/faq1#a11__ >(_http://www.earthinginstitute.net/index.php/faq1#a11_ (http://www.earthinginstitute.net/index.php/faq1#a11) ) > >Q. Can Earthing protect me from cell phone frequencies? >A. The protective potential of Earthing has not been tested yet on >cell phone exposure. There is no research indicating that Earthing >will or will not protect a person from exposure to cell phones >signals, microwave radiation, or radio frequencies. What we know is >that Earthing reduces significantly the induced body voltages >generated by simple exposure to common household 60 Hz EMFs >continuously emitted by all plugged-in electrical cords (even if the >appliance is off), internal wiring, and all ungrounded electrical >devices in the home or office. Based in the cases we have seen of >people extremely sensitive to such EMFs it is prudent to be grounded >as much as possible in the home or office. > >As mentioned, it's known to help for discharging VLF energies only. > >In my experience and understanding, it's quite useless to prevent >harm from RF by earthing. The wave are sharp and when it hits your >body, damage is already done. The body tries to repair that, and you >can help by applying something that works for you. (I use rub >generous amount of medicated oil for wound healing.) The body is >already also 'toxified' and will try to deal with it, and you can >also help make that more effective. (I use Magnascent. I shall >experiment if ordinary iodine would do the same trick.) > >For this radio frequencies, I find avoidance and shielding to be >effective. 3G frequency is quite easily fended off by highly >reflective sheets. (Use more layers if necessary.) 2G frequency is >lower. Thus not so easily reflected. I've not tried something >practical that works for it. As I understand, some kind of fabric >with silver coating would do a superb job. (Sarah Dacre uses this >type from Swiss Shield.) It's a bit expensive and the effectiveness >drops as the silver drops off, but for the severely affected, it's >probably worth it. > >I believe carbon (especially activated carbon) would do a good job >for any toxic frequencies, but I doubt if anyone here would be >willing to go around wrapped with sacks of carbon! > >kb [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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--- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote: > Unfortunately, those websites don't look very credible. Just look > at the way they are written. One has to wonder what their true > motives are for creating such websites. Those websites were put together by ordinary people who were up against the enormous deception and fraud of some very callously dishonest people and their large amounts of ill-gotten money, who at every turn were finding more ways to cover their tracks. They were not professional web designers. Their motives were to expose the scam by trying to stay a step ahead of the lies, and warn others as best they could, and they invested a great amount of personal time and effort to do so. People can choose to dismiss it all because it is not packaged nicely, or you can choose to look beyond the wrapper and make the effort to find the truth. |
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Marc, MLM is not a bad thing on its own, but aren't you trying to
compare 2 very different things here? Much as I would like to believe in these little stickers, pendants, and whatnot, in my experience, they just never worked beyond the placebo effect. Microhydrin (or Mega-H, as it is now renamed due to a legal issue) was never claimed as an EMF blocker or harmoniser or whatever. As I understand, the substance increases the "wetness" of water, which means reducing the water surface tension. This water in our body greatly enhances metabolism, and therefore we experience the energy boost. It's an amazing natural substance for people with chronic fatigue syndrome. If you have the money to burn, you can try everything in the market. If you don't, it's sure helpful to learn from others what works and what doesn't. Then of course you'd have to be discerning enough to know if someone is telling the truth. kb Marc Martin wrote thus at 11:37 PM 03-10-12: >On October 3, cjosephj <[hidden email]> wrote: > > Here's a good place to start: > > > http://bioproisascam.blogspot.com/2008/05/george-carlo-abandons-biopro.html > > > > Or here: http://bioproisascam.blogspot.com/ > >Unfortunately, those websites don't look very credible. Just look >at the way they are written. One has to wonder what their true >motives are for creating such websites. > >Maggi on the other hand, sounds credible to me. > >I've encountered something similar to this in the past... >when I was at my absolute worst, I was so impacted >by EMF, etc. that I needed 18 hours of sleep per day. And then I >tried an MLM product called "Microhydrin" that immediately allowed >me to get a few hours less sleep per day, increased my energy, >and increased my tolerance to EMF. And the longer I took it, the >better I got. However, whenever I did a search on Microhydrin >on the Internet, I encountered a lot of websites calling the product, >the inventor, and the MLM that sold it scam artists, etc. and >highlighted any legal problems going on with them. >However, I certainly knew better, and I've run across others here >who have had similar benefits from the current (non MLM) iterations >of this supplement ("Hydrogen Boost", "Megahydrate", etc.). > >So people will simply have to do their own research and >come to their own conclusions. We are certainly seeing >both sides of the story here... :-) > >Marc |
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Yup. Besides, it seems that resistance creates more negative energy,
besides holding on. We have enough of that, thank you. [hidden email] wrote thus at 12:20 AM 04-10-12: >let the good energy flow I suppose, we need to let it do its stuff rather >than confound its passage with thoughts of agression, retaliation etc.. I >see where you are coming from. > >puk > > >In a message dated 03/10/2012 11:17:13 GMT Daylight Time, >[hidden email] writes: > > > > >I do the same for pre and post as below. For good measure, I >meditate, relaxing, acknowledging the reality of the experience, >watching out for resistance and releasing it. |
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On October 4, Kumara Bhikkhu <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Marc, MLM is not a bad thing on its own, but aren't you trying to > compare 2 very different things here? Two very different products, but the same sort of attacks waged against them, when you can find people who know that these products to work for them. > Much as I would like to believe in these little stickers, pendants, > and whatnot, in my experience, they just never worked beyond the > placebo effect. I've been luckier than you, as I *have* found some of these products to work, and it's not a placebo effect (although you can believe what you want). However, it's true that if you look at the percentage of the products that I've tried that helped, that percentage is very low -- like, 1 product helped out of every 15 tried. Marc |
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Marc Martin wrote thus at 09:47 PM 04-10-12:
>On October 4, Kumara Bhikkhu <[hidden email]> wrote: > > Marc, MLM is not a bad thing on its own, but aren't you trying to > > compare 2 very different things here? > >Two very different products, but the same sort of attacks waged >against them, when you can find people who know that these >products to work for them. I know how this can be very unfair. > > > Much as I would like to believe in these little stickers, pendants, > > and whatnot, in my experience, they just never worked beyond the > > placebo effect. > >I've been luckier than you, as I *have* found some of these >products to work, and it's not a placebo effect (although you >can believe what you want). However, it's true that if you >look at the percentage of the products that I've tried that >helped, that percentage is very low -- like, 1 product >helped out of every 15 tried. Maybe 'luckier' because you're willing to spend more to test them. Do you have a webpage to list what works for you? kb |
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> Maybe 'luckier' because you're willing to spend more to test them. Do
> you have a webpage to list what works for you? Yes, most people give up after trying only a few EMF protection devices, so the fact that I have tried so many over many years means that I've encountered more that actually do something for me. Certainly in the archives on this group I have mentioned several of these over and over again. But basically the ones I have used and seen some benefit from are: -- Everything I've tried from QuantumProducts.com -- "Springlife Polarizers", which are no longer sold today -- The "Mega-Chi" pendant (gold plated) -- The personal polarizer disc (still sold by cutcat.com) -- The wristbands from Advanced Tachyon Technologies -- The RA*D*AR card, which are no longer sold today -- The Earthcalm plug-in devices (used on a timer so they are only on for a few minutes at a time) And of course, there is a VERY long list of things that I've tried but didn't work for me (and many of these made things made things worse, not better!). Unfortunately, I have not kept a list of these. Marc |
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Hi Marc,
I checked the Quantum product website. I noticed these products are pretty expensive. I didn't see if they have refunds. Which was the most helpful to you of these and exactly how did it help and to what degree? Everything I have ordered to help so far has helped me somewhat but not enough to feel good, only enough to feel better. I went to the cutcat website but I didn't see the personal polarizer listed. They do have a very good price on the Q-link which has helped me somewhat. Thanks, Cheryl ________________________________ From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: New Member Bio--Gia/BioPro > Maybe 'luckier' because you're willing to spend more to test them. Do > you have a webpage to list what works for you? Yes, most people give up after trying only a few EMF protection devices, so the fact that I have tried so many over many years means that I've encountered more that actually do something for me. Certainly in the archives on this group I have mentioned several of these over and over again. But basically the ones I have used and seen some benefit from are: -- Everything I've tried from QuantumProducts.com -- "Springlife Polarizers", which are no longer sold today -- The "Mega-Chi" pendant (gold plated) -- The personal polarizer disc (still sold by cutcat.com) -- The wristbands from Advanced Tachyon Technologies -- The RA*D*AR card, which are no longer sold today -- The Earthcalm plug-in devices (used on a timer so they are only on for a few minutes at a time) And of course, there is a VERY long list of things that I've tried but didn't work for me (and many of these made things made things worse, not better!). Unfortunately, I have not kept a list of these. Marc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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On October 5, Cheryl Griffing <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I checked the Quantum product website. I noticed these products are pretty > expensive. I didn't see if they have refunds. I believe they have a 60 or 90 day money-back guarantee, but you should call them and confirm that. > Which was the most helpful to you of these and exactly how did > it help and to what degree? Well, to get me back to work (to tolerate the computers and florescent lights), I needed the stronger items -- Quantum Pro, Quantum Monitor, Quantum Power Conditioner, Quantum Companion. Not a 100% solution (nothing is), but a big improvement when using ALL of these. I used to be unable to work, and these were the first things I tried that got me able to go back into my workplace. And yes, they are expensive, but being out of work is even more expensive! Around the house, the Quantum Power Conditioners (power strips), Quantum Home, and Quantum Companions are sufficient. Again, big improvement for using the computer, watching TV, dealing with stuff coming into your house from the outside. Out and about, the Quantum Companion and the Quantum Auto were both helpful for tolerating florescent lights and driving. This stuff was more helpful than anything else I tried. > I went to the cutcat website but I didn't see the personal > polarizer listed. Oh, you're right -- it was there a year ago, but I guess this has become yet another item that you cannot purchase anymore. Marc |
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Hi Mark, Thanks for your quick response. I agree, nothing is more expensive than not being able to work! If I could feel good, instead of awful most of the time, especially at home, whatever it cost would be well worth it! Right now I mostly feel tired and a lot of anxiety. I can't handle stress well at all. If you indeed had these symptoms, did these products help you with that? Cheryl ________________________________ From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 12:58 PM Subject: Re: [eSens] EMF protection devices On October 5, Cheryl Griffing <[hidden email]> wrote: > I checked the Quantum product website. I noticed these products are pretty > expensive. I didn't see if they have refunds. I believe they have a 60 or 90 day money-back guarantee, but you should call them and confirm that. > Which was the most helpful to you of these and exactly how did > it help and to what degree? Well, to get me back to work (to tolerate the computers and florescent lights), I needed the stronger items -- Quantum Pro, Quantum Monitor, Quantum Power Conditioner, Quantum Companion. Not a 100% solution (nothing is), but a big improvement when using ALL of these. I used to be unable to work, and these were the first things I tried that got me able to go back into my workplace. And yes, they are expensive, but being out of work is even more expensive! Around the house, the Quantum Power Conditioners (power strips), Quantum Home, and Quantum Companions are sufficient. Again, big improvement for using the computer, watching TV, dealing with stuff coming into your house from the outside. Out and about, the Quantum Companion and the Quantum Auto were both helpful for tolerating florescent lights and driving. This stuff was more helpful than anything else I tried. > I went to the cutcat website but I didn't see the personal > polarizer listed. Oh, you're right -- it was there a year ago, but I guess this has become yet another item that you cannot purchase anymore. Marc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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On October 5, Cheryl Griffing <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Right now I mostly feel tired and a lot of anxiety. I can't handle > stress well at all. If you indeed had these symptoms, did these > products help you with that? These products just made the environment feel better, as if the sources of EMF were diminished. However, I will note than Loni here tried a Quantum Pro (I think) and didn't notice any difference. For anxiety, feeling tired, and not being able to handle stress, I'd look at adrenal support supplements, thyroid support supplements, alkanine mineral supplements, and maybe some adaptogenic herbs (ginseng, etc.) and B vitamins. Marc |
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Hi Marc,
I will add some of the supplements you suggested to what I am already taking. I have known for some time now that I have both adrenal and hyper-thyroid issues. I am under a lot of stress and not getting enough sleep due to taking care of an Alzheimer patient 24/7 in my home, with no breaks. This is making it very difficult for me to get better, I know. By the way, are there any others on this list living in the Los Angeles area? I live there and just wondering if we can get together to have meetings and info exchange. Thanks again, Cheryl ________________________________ From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 2:38 PM Subject: Re: [eSens] EMF protection devices On October 5, Cheryl Griffing <[hidden email]> wrote: > Right now I mostly feel tired and a lot of anxiety. I can't handle > stress well at all. If you indeed had these symptoms, did these > products help you with that? These products just made the environment feel better, as if the sources of EMF were diminished. However, I will note than Loni here tried a Quantum Pro (I think) and didn't notice any difference. For anxiety, feeling tired, and not being able to handle stress, I'd look at adrenal support supplements, thyroid support supplements, alkanine mineral supplements, and maybe some adaptogenic herbs (ginseng, etc.) and B vitamins. Marc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Thanks, Marc. If you have a fine EMF meter on at a place with a
constant flow (or at least a consistent pulse) of EMF, would turning on the strongest Quantum product you have, would the meter register a lower reading? Marc Martin wrote thus at 11:12 AM 05-10-12: > > Maybe 'luckier' because you're willing to spend more to test them. Do > > you have a webpage to list what works for you? > >Yes, most people give up after trying only a few EMF protection >devices, so the fact that I have tried so many over many years >means that I've encountered more that actually do something for >me. Certainly in the archives on this group I have mentioned >several of these over and over again. But basically the ones >I have used and seen some benefit from are: > > -- Everything I've tried from QuantumProducts.com > -- "Springlife Polarizers", which are no longer sold today > -- The "Mega-Chi" pendant (gold plated) > -- The personal polarizer disc (still sold by cutcat.com) > -- The wristbands from Advanced Tachyon Technologies > -- The RA*D*AR card, which are no longer sold today > -- The Earthcalm plug-in devices (used on a timer so they > are only on for a few minutes at a time) > >And of course, there is a VERY long list of things that >I've tried but didn't work for me (and many of these made >things made things worse, not better!). Unfortunately, I >have not kept a list of these. > >Marc |
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On October 6, Kumara Bhikkhu <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Thanks, Marc. If you have a fine EMF meter on at a place with a > constant flow (or at least a consistent pulse) of EMF, would turning > on the strongest Quantum product you have, would the meter register a > lower reading? With the meters that I have (inexpensive), I have never noticed any drop in the meter readings using anything from Quantum Products. However, in studies done by the manufacturer, they do claim increases in the measured signal-to-noise ratio using expensive measuring equipment. Marc |
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Marc, So what you're saying is: even though your meters didn't register any changes,you "felt" the changes, inside your body? Meaning the quantrum product helpedyou. Question: would you have tried the product if the company didn't show signal to noiseratio difference, using their equiptment? But just based on the explanation of how theproduct was designed to work? Lizzie To: [hidden email] From: [hidden email] Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2012 08:34:22 -0700 Subject: Re: QuantumProducts == Re: [eSens] Re: New Member Bio--Gia/BioPro On October 6, Kumara Bhikkhu <[hidden email]> wrote: > Thanks, Marc. If you have a fine EMF meter on at a place with a > constant flow (or at least a consistent pulse) of EMF, would turning > on the strongest Quantum product you have, would the meter register a > lower reading? With the meters that I have (inexpensive), I have never noticed any drop in the meter readings using anything from Quantum Products. However, in studies done by the manufacturer, they do claim increases in the measured signal-to-noise ratio using expensive measuring equipment. Marc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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On October 6, Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Marc, So what you're saying is: even though your meters didn't register > any changes,you "felt" the changes, inside your body? Meaning the quantum product helped you. > Question: would you have tried the product if the company didn't show signal to > noise ratio difference, using their equipment? But just based on the explanation of how > the product was designed to work? Lizzie Well, I didn't see those studies until after I had already bought stuff from them, and the company doesn't really offer any good explanations for how their products work. What convinced me was that I had gone to some really alternative health practitioner in Seattle. And I was really concerned that it was very close to downtown Seattle, close to power lines, and in an office building full of fluorescent lights. And that I was going to be miserable there. However, when I walked into the office, I noticed that there was no problem whatsoever with this place -- it was like an oasis in the middle of the city! So when I talked to this guy and mentioned my problems with electricity, he said that he used stuff from Quantum Products, and that he himself could not go into a shopping mall anymore without carrying a Quantum Companion with him. So this experience convinced me -- I purchased a Quantum Companion immediately after this, then shortly after that some power strips, then a Quantum Pro, etc. And was back in the office again (part time) shortly after receiving the Quantum Companion. (it took me 3 years to get back to full time, so don't expect miracles here) I had actually run across this company 8 months earlier, and dismissed them because they claimed to sell a software product that helped with EMF, which at the time I thought was ridiculous. Little did I know... Marc |
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That my friend, is a wonderful story.Thank you for sharing this with us. While it didn't happen over night, the progress,it is indeed a very telling story! Lizzie To: [hidden email] From: [hidden email] Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2012 09:41:50 -0700 Subject: [eSens] Re: QuantumProducts On October 6, Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]> wrote: > Marc, So what you're saying is: even though your meters didn't register > any changes,you "felt" the changes, inside your body? Meaning the quantum product helped you. > Question: would you have tried the product if the company didn't show signal to > noise ratio difference, using their equipment? But just based on the explanation of how > the product was designed to work? Lizzie Well, I didn't see those studies until after I had already bought stuff from them, and the company doesn't really offer any good explanations for how their products work. What convinced me was that I had gone to some really alternative health practitioner in Seattle. And I was really concerned that it was very close to downtown Seattle, close to power lines, and in an office building full of fluorescent lights. And that I was going to be miserable there. However, when I walked into the office, I noticed that there was no problem whatsoever with this place -- it was like an oasis in the middle of the city! So when I talked to this guy and mentioned my problems with electricity, he said that he used stuff from Quantum Products, and that he himself could not go into a shopping mall anymore without carrying a Quantum Companion with him. So this experience convinced me -- I purchased a Quantum Companion immediately after this, then shortly after that some power strips, then a Quantum Pro, etc. And was back in the office again (part time) shortly after receiving the Quantum Companion. (it took me 3 years to get back to full time, so don't expect miracles here) I had actually run across this company 8 months earlier, and dismissed them because they claimed to sell a software product that helped with EMF, which at the time I thought was ridiculous. Little did I know... Marc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Yes Marc, your story is awesome and ironic, isn't it! I just wanted to
add that I've used the Quantum Pro, and Companion for years and I can definately tell the difference just when I flip the switch off and on.....More recent shielding has helped alot more, but they both work in different ways,,,, -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]> To: esens <[hidden email]> Sent: Sat, Oct 6, 2012 1:46 pm Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: QuantumProducts That my friend, is a wonderful story.Thank you for sharing this with us. While it didn't happen over night, the progress,it is indeed a very telling story! Lizzie To: [hidden email] From: [hidden email] Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2012 09:41:50 -0700 Subject: [eSens] Re: QuantumProducts On October 6, Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]> wrote: > Marc, So what you're saying is: even though your meters didn't register > any changes,you "felt" the changes, inside your body? Meaning the quantum product helped you. > Question: would you have tried the product if the company didn't show signal to > noise ratio difference, using their equipment? But just based on the explanation of how > the product was designed to work? Lizzie Well, I didn't see those studies until after I had already bought stuff from them, and the company doesn't really offer any good explanations for how their products work. What convinced me was that I had gone to some really alternative health practitioner in Seattle. And I was really concerned that it was very close to downtown Seattle, close to power lines, and in an office building full of fluorescent lights. And that I was going to be miserable there. However, when I walked into the office, I noticed that there was no problem whatsoever with this place -- it was like an oasis in the middle of the city! So when I talked to this guy and mentioned my problems with electricity, he said that he used stuff from Quantum Products, and that he himself could not go into a shopping mall anymore without carrying a Quantum Companion with him. So this experience convinced me -- I purchased a Quantum Companion immediately after this, then shortly after that some power strips, then a Quantum Pro, etc. And was back in the office again (part time) shortly after receiving the Quantum Companion. (it took me 3 years to get back to full time, so don't expect miracles here) I had actually run across this company 8 months earlier, and dismissed them because they claimed to sell a software product that helped with EMF, which at the time I thought was ridiculous. Little did I know... Marc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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