Neurotransmitters/dopamine etc.
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Microwaves in regular people increase certain neurotransmitters in a way similar to people doing cocaine. That's why you find so many people literallyaddicted to the gadgets. They truly are experiencing "drug" withdrawal symptoms when they can't have their regular "fix" from their radiation, and start getting a little nuts.
It really doesn't matter whether the source is from an electrical, or chemical reaction, things with the "right" frequencies will cause the same effects in the body. Unfortunately for us, choosing to avoid the electrical is increasingly difficult, so finding the mitigators to said frequencies, ie, extra supplements to repair weak areas, and replace ionized out elements, along with reducing exposure will become ever increasingly important. Par for the course for me, I lost a page I was sure I'd just saved, just a while ago, connecting interactions of I think dopamine, and MAO. It was interesting, the MAO B connection, since that plays into migraines as well. Here's the MAO part: "Generally, Monoamine Oxidase A (MAOA) prefers to metabolize norepinephrine(NE), serotonin (5-HT), and Dopamine (DA) (and other less clinically relevant chemicals). Monoamine Oxidase B, on the other hand, prefers to metabolize Dopamine (DA) (and other less clinically relevant chemicals).The differences between the substrate selectivity of the two enzymes are utilized clinically when treating specific disorders: Monoamine Oxidase A inhibitors have been used in the treatment of depression, and Monoamine Oxidase B inhibitors are used in the treatment of Parkinson's Disease." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monoamine_oxidase_B http://www.utexas.edu/research/asrec/demoasrec.html Here's a quick little example on neurotransmitters. http://www.drugabuse.gov/NIDA_notes/NNvol21N4/Impacts.html -more detailed testing dopamine levels, and natural enhancement - http://www.integrativepsychiatry.net/dopamine.html On this next one, I'd like to know how they think the "microwaves are 'non-thermally' affecting", since it is heating things up and increasing vibration rates. Although the body does try to convert microwave into infrared, 'maybe' the heat is decreased by the time it hits these items, or the electrical effect happens so quickly, the heat hasn't hit yet? from: http://lifeenergies.com/ -- ... "Reports of headache are consistent with the fact that microwaves non-thermally affect the dopamine-opiate system of the brain and increase the permeability of the blood-brain barrier. The reports of sleep disruption, on the other hand, are consistent with the effect of the radiation on rapid eye movement (REM) sleep and on melatonin levels, while memory impairment is consistent with the finding that microwave radiation targets the hippocampus. U of Toronto ... heightened probability of cracking up your car persists for up to 15 minutes after completing a cellphone call".... ------- nextup.org/pdf/PrPaulDoyonAreMicrowavesAtheMajorCausalFactorInCfsME.pdf - from good 4 page article > 5. Microwaves have been shown in studies to induce Oxidative Damage leadingto a decrease in Super Oxide Dimutase (SOD), catalase, glutathione, CoQ10 along with evidence of increased byproducts of oxidative stress to cell membranes, MDA. Oxidative damage has been found to be a major factor in CFS and people with CFS consistently found to be depleted in the above body's natural antioxidents. 6. Exposure to microwaves and other EMFs is known to abnormally affect calcium flux into and out of cells. This is also an abnormality found in peoplewith CFS/ME. 16. Dopamine levels are also known to be affected by microwave radiation exposure. PWC have been found to often have low levels of dopamine with decreased dopamine being linked to depression, a symptoms also found in PWC. 17. Decreases in the hormone Acetylcholine - known to be induced by exposure to EMR - is an abnormality also found in CFS/ME. (Now here we are back to nicotine, which binds into the acetylcholine receptors, which I mentioned earlier, made me think we could use more of that,-ac, not nicotine, lol- but perhaps nicotine binding there helps reduce orstop some of the emf from acting on that part of the system as rapidly. Perhaps emfs act on acetylcholine in the system in a slower way than say being exposed to certain nerve gases, which in toxic amounts besides seizuring can kill ya quick, they eat up the ac. ) Austrailia site, maybe find resources for those of you there. Some of emf listings - http://www.livingnow.com.au/component/search/electromagnetic%2Bsea/%252F?ordering=newest&searchphrase=all&limit=20&areas[0]=content ~ Snoshoe |
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Hi, Snoshoe,
Sorry to read in your previous posts how bad you have been feeling lately. We would never know it had you not said; your (re)searches are impeccable. :) You are a fount of great info! ;) I was just discussing this with Stephen here earlier today: "6. Exposure to microwaves and other EMFs is known to abnormally affect calcium flux into and out of cells. This is also an abnormality found in people with CFS/ME." So, Stephen! Here is a good website to read on that subject! And it is put much better than I could explain, I am sure. Take care, Snoshoe; I so appreciate your great ability to ferret info (and I too regularly lose track of my websites, so I can relate to your frustration lol), Diane --- On Sat, 3/27/10, snoshoe_2 <[hidden email]> wrote: From: snoshoe_2 <[hidden email]> Subject: [eSens] Neurotransmitters/dopamine etc. To: [hidden email] Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 5:34 PM Microwaves in regular people increase certain neurotransmitters in a way similar to people doing cocaine. That's why you find so many people literallyaddicted to the gadgets. They truly are experiencing "drug" withdrawal symptoms when they can't have their regular "fix" from their radiation, and start getting a little nuts. It really doesn't matter whether the source is from an electrical, or chemical reaction, things with the "right" frequencies will cause the same effects in the body. Unfortunately for us, choosing to avoid the electrical is increasingly difficult, so finding the mitigators to said frequencies, ie, extra supplements to repair weak areas, and replace ionized out elements, along with reducing exposure will become ever increasingly important. Par for the course for me, I lost a page I was sure I'd just saved, just a while ago, connecting interactions of I think dopamine, and MAO. It was interesting, the MAO B connection, since that plays into migraines as well. Here's the MAO part: "Generally, Monoamine Oxidase A (MAOA) prefers to metabolize norepinephrine(NE), serotonin (5-HT), and Dopamine (DA) (and other less clinically relevant chemicals). Monoamine Oxidase B, on the other hand, prefers to metabolize Dopamine (DA) (and other less clinically relevant chemicals).The differences between the substrate selectivity of the two enzymes are utilized clinically when treating specific disorders: Monoamine Oxidase A inhibitors have been used in the treatment of depression, and Monoamine Oxidase B inhibitors are used in the treatment of Parkinson's Disease." http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Monoamine_ oxidase_B http://www.utexas. edu/research/ asrec/demoasrec. html Here's a quick little example on neurotransmitters. http://www.drugabus e.gov/NIDA_ notes/NNvol21N4/ Impacts.html -more detailed testing dopamine levels, and natural enhancement - http://www.integrat ivepsychiatry. net/dopamine. html On this next one, I'd like to know how they think the "microwaves are 'non-thermally' affecting", since it is heating things up and increasing vibration rates. Although the body does try to convert microwave into infrared, 'maybe' the heat is decreased by the time it hits these items, or the electrical effect happens so quickly, the heat hasn't hit yet? from: http://lifeenergies .com/ -- ... "Reports of headache are consistent with the fact that microwaves non-thermally affect the dopamine-opiate system of the brain and increase the permeability of the blood-brain barrier. The reports of sleep disruption, on the other hand, are consistent with the effect of the radiation on rapid eye movement (REM) sleep and on melatonin levels, while memory impairment is consistent with the finding that microwave radiation targets the hippocampus. U of Toronto ... heightened probability of cracking up your car persists for up to 15 minutes after completing a cellphone call".... ------- nextup.org/pdf/ PrPaulDoyonAreMi crowavesAtheMajo rCausalFactorInC fsME.pdf- from good 4 page article > 5. Microwaves have been shown in studies to induce Oxidative Damage leadingto a decrease in Super Oxide Dimutase (SOD), catalase, glutathione, CoQ10 along with evidence of increased byproducts of oxidative stress to cell membranes, MDA. Oxidative damage has been found to be a major factor in CFS and people with CFS consistently found to be depleted in the above body's natural antioxidents. 6. Exposure to microwaves and other EMFs is known to abnormally affect calcium flux into and out of cells. This is also an abnormality found in peoplewith CFS/ME. 16. Dopamine levels are also known to be affected by microwave radiation exposure. PWC have been found to often have low levels of dopamine with decreased dopamine being linked to depression, a symptoms also found in PWC. 17. Decreases in the hormone Acetylcholine - known to be induced by exposure to EMR - is an abnormality also found in CFS/ME. (Now here we are back to nicotine, which binds into the acetylcholine receptors, which I mentioned earlier, made me think we could use more of that, -ac, not nicotine, lol- but perhaps nicotine binding there helps reduce or stop some of the emf from acting on that part of the system as rapidly. Perhaps emfs act on acetylcholine in the system in a slower way than say being exposed to certain nerve gases, which in toxic amounts besides seizuring can kill ya quick, they eat up the ac. ) Austrailia site, maybe find resources for those of you there. Some of emf listings - http://www.livingno w.com.au/ component/ search/electroma gnetic%2Bsea/ %252F?ordering= newest&searchphr ase=all&limit= 20&areas[0]=content ~ Snoshoe [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Hi Evie Have you got any references about the calcium flux in and out of cells? I thought ion channels would be affected somehow, but have not got the specifics and relationship with microwaves. Thanks Kooky --- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@...> wrote: > > Hi, Snoshoe, >  > Sorry to read in your previous posts how bad you have been feeling lately. We would never know it had you not said; your (re)searches areimpeccable. :) You are a fount of great info! ;) >  > I was just discussing this with Stephen here earlier today: > "6. Exposure to microwaves and other EMFs is known to abnormally affect calcium flux into and out of cells. This is also an abnormality found in people with CFS/ME." >  > So, Stephen! Here is a good website to read on that subject! And it is put much better than I could explain, I am sure. > > Take care, Snoshoe; I so appreciate your great ability to ferret info (and I too regularly lose track of my websites, so I can relate to your frustration lol), > Diane > > --- On Sat, 3/27/10, snoshoe_2 <snoshoe_2@...> wrote: > > > From: snoshoe_2 <snoshoe_2@...> > Subject: [eSens] Neurotransmitters/dopamine etc. > To: [hidden email] > Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 5:34 PM > > >  > > > > Microwaves in regular people increase certain neurotransmitters in a way similar to people doing cocaine. That's why you find so many people literally addicted to the gadgets. They truly are experiencing "drug" withdrawal symptoms when they can't have their regular "fix" from their radiation, and start getting a little nuts. > > It really doesn't matter whether the source is from an electrical, or chemical reaction, things with the "right" frequencies will cause the same effects in the body. Unfortunately for us, choosing to avoid the electrical isincreasingly difficult, so finding the mitigators to said frequencies, ie,extra supplements to repair weak areas, and replace ionized out elements, along with reducing exposure will become ever increasingly important. > > Par for the course for me, I lost a page I was sure I'd just saved, just a while ago, connecting interactions of I think dopamine, and MAO. It was interesting, the MAO B connection, since that plays into migraines as well. Here's the MAO part: > > "Generally, Monoamine Oxidase A (MAOA) prefers to metabolize norepinephrine (NE), serotonin (5-HT), and Dopamine (DA) (and other less clinically relevant chemicals). Monoamine Oxidase B, on the other hand, prefers to metabolize Dopamine (DA) (and other less clinically relevant chemicals).The differences between the substrate selectivity of the two enzymes are utilized clinically when treating specific disorders: Monoamine Oxidase A inhibitors have been used in the treatment of depression, and Monoamine Oxidase B inhibitors are used in the treatment of Parkinson's Disease." http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Monoamine_ oxidase_B > > http://www.utexas. edu/research/ asrec/demoasrec. html Here's a quick little example on neurotransmitters. > > http://www.drugabus e.gov/NIDA_ notes/NNvol21N4/ Impacts.html -more detailed > > testing dopamine levels, and natural enhancement - http://www.integrat ivepsychiatry. net/dopamine. html > > On this next one, I'd like to know how they think the "microwaves are 'non-thermally' affecting", since it is heating things up and increasing vibration rates. Although the body does try to convert microwave into infrared, 'maybe' the heat is decreased by the time it hits these items, or the electrical effect happens so quickly, the heat hasn't hit yet? > > from: http://lifeenergies .com/ -- > ... "Reports of headache are consistent with the fact that microwaves non-thermally affect the dopamine-opiate system of the brain and increase the permeability of the blood-brain barrier. The reports of sleep disruption, on the other hand, are consistent with the effect of the radiation on rapid eye movement (REM) sleep and on melatonin levels, while memory impairment is consistent with the finding that microwave radiation targets the hippocampus. > > U of Toronto ... heightened probability of cracking up your car persists for up to 15 minutes after completing a cellphone call".... > > ------- > nextup.org/pdf/ PrPaulDoyonAreMi crowavesAtheMajo rCausalFactorInC fsME.pdf - > from good 4 page article > > > 5. Microwaves have been shown in studies to induce Oxidative Damage leading to a decrease in Super Oxide Dimutase (SOD), catalase, glutathione, CoQ10 along with evidence of increased byproducts of oxidative stress to cell membranes, MDA. Oxidative damage has been found to be a major factor in CFS and people with CFS consistently found to be depleted in the above body's natural antioxidents. > > 6. Exposure to microwaves and other EMFs is known to abnormally affect calcium flux into and out of cells. This is also an abnormality found in people with CFS/ME. > > 16. Dopamine levels are also known to be affected by microwave radiation exposure. PWC have been found to often have low levels of dopamine with decreased dopamine being linked to depression, a symptoms also found in PWC. > > 17. Decreases in the hormone Acetylcholine - known to be induced by exposure to EMR - is an abnormality also found in CFS/ME. > (Now here we are back to nicotine, which binds into the acetylcholine receptors, which I mentioned earlier, made me think we could use more of that,-ac, not nicotine, lol- but perhaps nicotine binding there helps reduce orstop some of the emf from acting on that part of the system as rapidly. Perhaps emfs act on acetylcholine in the system in a slower way than say being exposed to certain nerve gases, which in toxic amounts besides seizuring can kill ya quick, they eat up the ac. ) > > Austrailia site, maybe find resources for those of you there. Some of emflistings - http://www.livingno w.com.au/ component/ search/electroma gnetic%2Bsea/ %252F?ordering= newest&searchphr ase=all&limit= 20&areas[0]=content > > ~ Snoshoe > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |
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Hi Snoshoe Can I please have the links for the sites where you found the info. None of the links except for the last one (Australian site) worked. I was very interested in nos. 5, 6, 17 and any references you have to nicotine etc... Many thanks Kooky --- In [hidden email], "snoshoe_2" <snoshoe_2@...> wrote: > > Microwaves in regular people increase certain neurotransmitters in a way similar to people doing cocaine. That's why you find so many people literally addicted to the gadgets. They truly are experiencing "drug" withdrawal symptoms when they can't have their regular "fix" from their radiation, and start getting a little nuts. > > It really doesn't matter whether the source is from an electrical, or chemical reaction, things with the "right" frequencies will cause the same effects in the body. Unfortunately for us, choosing to avoid the electrical isincreasingly difficult, so finding the mitigators to said frequencies, ie,extra supplements to repair weak areas, and replace ionized out elements, along with reducing exposure will become ever increasingly important. > > Par for the course for me, I lost a page I was sure I'd just saved, just a while ago, connecting interactions of I think dopamine, and MAO. It wasinteresting, the MAO B connection, since that plays into migraines as well. Here's the MAO part: > > "Generally, Monoamine Oxidase A (MAOA) prefers to metabolize norepinephrine (NE), serotonin (5-HT), and Dopamine (DA) (and other less clinically relevant chemicals). Monoamine Oxidase B, on the other hand, prefers to metabolize Dopamine (DA) (and other less clinically relevant chemicals).The differences between the substrate selectivity of the two enzymes are utilized clinically when treating specific disorders: Monoamine Oxidase A inhibitors have been used in the treatment of depression, and Monoamine Oxidase B inhibitors are used in the treatment of Parkinson's Disease." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monoamine_oxidase_B > > > http://www.utexas.edu/research/asrec/demoasrec.html Here's a quick littleexample on neurotransmitters. > > http://www.drugabuse.gov/NIDA_notes/NNvol21N4/Impacts.html -more detailed > > testing dopamine levels, and natural enhancement - http://www.integrativepsychiatry.net/dopamine.html > > On this next one, I'd like to know how they think the "microwaves are 'non-thermally' affecting", since it is heating things up and increasing vibration rates. Although the body does try to convert microwave into infrared, 'maybe' the heat is decreased by the time it hits these items, or the electrical effect happens so quickly, the heat hasn't hit yet? > > from: http://lifeenergies.com/ -- > ... "Reports of headache are consistent with the fact that microwaves non-thermally affect the dopamine-opiate system of the brain and increase the permeability of the blood-brain barrier. The reports of sleep disruption, on the other hand, are consistent with the effect of the radiation on rapid eye movement (REM) sleep and on melatonin levels, while memory impairment is consistent with the finding that microwave radiation targets the hippocampus. > > U of Toronto ... heightened probability of cracking up your car persists for up to 15 minutes after completing a cellphone call".... > > ------- > nextup.org/pdf/PrPaulDoyonAreMicrowavesAtheMajorCausalFactorInCfsME.pdf - > from good 4 page article > > > 5. Microwaves have been shown in studies to induce Oxidative Damage leading to a decrease in Super Oxide Dimutase (SOD), catalase, glutathione, CoQ10 along with evidence of increased byproducts of oxidative stress to cell membranes, MDA. Oxidative damage has been found to be a major factor in CFS and people with CFS consistently found to be depleted in the above body's natural antioxidents. > > 6. Exposure to microwaves and other EMFs is known to abnormally affect calcium flux into and out of cells. This is also an abnormality found in people with CFS/ME. > > 16. Dopamine levels are also known to be affected by microwave radiation exposure. PWC have been found to often have low levels of dopamine with decreased dopamine being linked to depression, a symptoms also found in PWC. > > 17. Decreases in the hormone Acetylcholine - known to be induced by exposure to EMR - is an abnormality also found in CFS/ME. > (Now here we are back to nicotine, which binds into the acetylcholine receptors, which I mentioned earlier, made me think we could use more of that, -ac, not nicotine, lol- but perhaps nicotine binding there helps reduce or stop some of the emf from acting on that part of the system as rapidly. Perhaps emfs act on acetylcholine in the system in a slower way than say being exposed to certain nerve gases, which in toxic amounts besides seizuring can kill ya quick, they eat up the ac. ) > > Austrailia site, maybe find resources for those of you there. Some of emflistings - http://www.livingnow.com.au/component/search/electromagnetic%2Bsea/%252F?ordering=newest&searchphrase=all&limit=20&areas[0]=content > > ~ Snoshoe > |
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Hi, Kooky,
I've gotta get off line and make dinner. I don't have any more specific info than the info Snoshoe sent here, most likely--I mean I can send youmy search materials--about 100 medical research sites to read--I don't keep more than notes tho as to specifics. You would have to sift thru ityourself--do you want the sites? No problem, but I can't send today;will try to soon. The sites will not have specifics for microwaves; the sites explain how ion channels and tjs work. Unfortunately, I have not found specific to ES info like that. It makes sense, tho, that ion channels are affected by microwaves. And that is how/why I got interested in this subject. Btw, Bill Bruno--I was the one who mentioned the tj permeability gene, discovered by Marios Hadjivassilious of the UK, 2006ish. You want the name of the gene? Don't have it but could probably find it. Again,not today. Bye for now, Diane --- On Sat, 3/27/10, furstc0404 <[hidden email]> wrote: From: furstc0404 <[hidden email]> Subject: [eSens] Re: Neurotransmitters/dopamine etc. To: [hidden email] Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 7:07 PM Hi Evie Have you got any references about the calcium flux in and out of cells? I thought ion channels would be affected somehow, but have not got the specifics and relationship with microwaves. Thanks Kooky --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Evie <evie15422@. ..> wrote: > > Hi, Snoshoe, >  > Sorry to read in your previous posts how bad you have been feeling lately. We would never know it had you not said; your (re)searches are impeccable. :) You are a fount of great info! ;) >  > I was just discussing this with Stephen here earlier today: > "6. Exposure to microwaves and other EMFs is known to abnormally affect calcium flux into and out of cells. This is also an abnormality found in people with CFS/ME." >  > So, Stephen! Here is a good website to read on that subject! And it is put much better than I could explain, I am sure. > > Take care, Snoshoe; I so appreciate your great ability to ferret info (and I too regularly lose track of my websites, so I canrelate to your frustration lol), > Diane > > --- On Sat, 3/27/10, snoshoe_2 <snoshoe_2@. ..> wrote: > > > From: snoshoe_2 <snoshoe_2@. ..> > Subject: [eSens] Neurotransmitters/ dopamine etc. > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com > Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 5:34 PM > > >  > > > > Microwaves in regular people increase certain neurotransmitters in a way similar to people doing cocaine. That's why you find so many people literally addicted to the gadgets. They truly are experiencing "drug" withdrawal symptoms when they can't have their regular "fix" from their radiation, and start getting a little nuts. > > It really doesn't matter whether the source is from an electrical, or chemical reaction, things with the "right" frequencies will cause the same effects in the body. Unfortunately for us, choosing to avoid the electrical isincreasingly difficult, so finding the mitigators to said frequencies, ie,extra supplements to repair weak areas, and replace ionized out elements, along with reducing exposure will become ever increasingly important. > > Par for the course for me, I lost a page I was sure I'd just saved, just a while ago, connecting interactions of I think dopamine, and MAO. It was interesting, the MAO B connection, since that plays into migraines as well. Here's the MAO part: > > "Generally, Monoamine Oxidase A (MAOA) prefers to metabolize norepinephrine (NE), serotonin (5-HT), and Dopamine (DA) (and other less clinically relevant chemicals). Monoamine Oxidase B, on the other hand, prefers to metabolize Dopamine (DA) (and other less clinically relevant chemicals).The differences between the substrate selectivity of the two enzymes are utilized clinically when treating specific disorders: Monoamine Oxidase A inhibitors have been used in the treatment of depression, and Monoamine Oxidase B inhibitors are used in the treatment of Parkinson's Disease." http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Monoamine_ oxidase_B > > http://www.utexas. edu/research/ asrec/demoasrec. html Here's a quick little example on neurotransmitters. > > http://www.drugabus e.gov/NIDA_ notes/NNvol21N4/ Impacts.html -more detailed > > testing dopamine levels, and natural enhancement - http://www.integrat ivepsychiatry. net/dopamine. html > > On this next one, I'd like to know how they think the "microwaves are 'non-thermally' affecting", since it is heating things up and increasing vibration rates. Although the body does try to convert microwave into infrared, 'maybe' the heat is decreased by the time it hits these items, or the electrical effect happens so quickly, the heat hasn't hit yet? > > from: http://lifeenergies .com/ -- > ... "Reports of headache are consistent with the fact that microwaves non-thermally affect the dopamine-opiate system of the brain and increase the permeability of the blood-brain barrier. The reports of sleep disruption, on the other hand, are consistent with the effect of the radiation on rapid eye movement (REM) sleep and on melatonin levels, while memory impairment is consistent with the finding that microwave radiation targets the hippocampus. > > U of Toronto ... heightened probability of cracking up your car persists for up to 15 minutes after completing a cellphone call".... > > ------- > nextup.org/pdf/ PrPaulDoyonAreMi crowavesAtheMajo rCausalFactorInC fsME.pdf - > from good 4 page article > > > 5. Microwaves have been shown in studies to induce Oxidative Damage leading to a decrease in Super Oxide Dimutase (SOD), catalase, glutathione, CoQ10 along with evidence of increased byproducts of oxidative stress to cell membranes, MDA. Oxidative damage has been found to be a major factor in CFS and people with CFS consistently found to be depleted in the above body's natural antioxidents. > > 6. Exposure to microwaves and other EMFs is known to abnormally affect calcium flux into and out of cells. This is also an abnormality found in people with CFS/ME. > > 16. Dopamine levels are also known to be affected by microwave radiation exposure. PWC have been found to often have low levels of dopamine with decreased dopamine being linked to depression, a symptoms also found in PWC. > > 17. Decreases in the hormone Acetylcholine - known to be induced by exposure to EMR - is an abnormality also found in CFS/ME. > (Now here we are back to nicotine, which binds into the acetylcholine receptors, which I mentioned earlier, made me think we could use more of that,-ac, not nicotine, lol- but perhaps nicotine binding there helps reduce orstop some of the emf from acting on that part of the system as rapidly. Perhaps emfs act on acetylcholine in the system in a slower way than say being exposed to certain nerve gases, which in toxic amounts besides seizuring can kill ya quick, they eat up the ac. ) > > Austrailia site, maybe find resources for those of you there. Some of emflistings - http://www.livingno w.com.au/ component/ search/electroma gnetic%2Bsea/ %252F?ordering= newest&searchphr ase=all&limit= 20&areas[0]= content > > ~ Snoshoe > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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HI Diane Yes, yes, please. If you could send me all the info you have, will sift through. I will spend more time researching on this now. I was very interested also in what Snoshoe wrote about the "Exposure to microwaves and other EMFs is known to abnormally affect calcium flux into andout of cells. This is also an abnormality found in people with CFS/ME." There is no doubt it is also some type of toxicity, reducing glutathione, SOD etc... Thanks for that. Kooky --- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@...> wrote: > > Hi, Kooky, >  > I've gotta get off line and make dinner. I don't have any more specific info than the info Snoshoe sent here, most likely--I mean I can send you my search materials--about 100 medical research sites to read--I don't keep more than notes tho as to specifics. You would have to sift thru it yourself--do you want the sites? No problem, but I can't send today; will try to soon. The sites will not have specifics for microwaves; the sites explain how ion channels and tjs work. Unfortunately, I have not found specific to ES info like that. It makes sense, tho, that ion channels are affected by microwaves. And that is how/why I got interested in this subject. >  > Btw, Bill Bruno--I was the one who mentioned the tj permeability gene, discovered by Marios Hadjivassilious of the UK, 2006ish. You want the name of the gene? Don't have it but could probably find it. Again, not today. >  > Bye for now, > Diane > > --- On Sat, 3/27/10, furstc0404 <furstc0404@...> wrote: > > > From: furstc0404 <furstc0404@...> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Neurotransmitters/dopamine etc. > To: [hidden email] > Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 7:07 PM > > >  > > > > > Hi Evie > > Have you got any references about the calcium flux in and out of cells? Ithought ion channels would be affected somehow, but > have not got the specifics and relationship with microwaves. > > Thanks > > Kooky > > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Evie <evie15422@ ..> wrote: > > > > Hi, Snoshoe, > > à> > Sorry to read in your previous posts how bad you have been feeling lately.àWe would never know it had you not said; your (re)searchesàare impeccable.à:)àYou are a fount of great info!à;)à> > à> > I was just discussing this with Stephen here earlier today: > > "6. Exposure to microwaves and other EMFs is known to abnormally affectcalcium flux into and out of cells. This is also an abnormality found in people with CFS/ME." > > à> > So, Stephen!àHereàis aàgood website to read on that subject!àAnd it is put much better than I could explain, I am sure. > > > > Take care, Snoshoe;àI soàappreciate your great ability to ferret info (and I too regularly lose track of my websites, so I can relate to your frustrationàlol), > > Diane > > > > --- On Sat, 3/27/10, snoshoe_2 <snoshoe_2@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > From: snoshoe_2 <snoshoe_2@ ..> > > Subject: [eSens] Neurotransmitters/ dopamine etc. > > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com > > Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 5:34 PM > > > > > > à> > > > > > > > Microwaves in regular people increase certain neurotransmitters in a way similar to people doing cocaine. That's why you find so many people literally addicted to the gadgets. They truly are experiencing "drug" withdrawalsymptoms when they can't have their regular "fix" from their radiation, and start getting a little nuts. > > > > It really doesn't matter whether the source is from an electrical, or chemical reaction, things with the "right" frequencies will cause the same effects in the body. Unfortunately for us, choosing to avoid the electrical is increasingly difficult, so finding the mitigators to said frequencies, ie, extra supplements to repair weak areas, and replace ionized out elements, along with reducing exposure will become ever increasingly important. > > > > Par for the course for me, I lost a page I was sure I'd just saved, just a while ago, connecting interactions of I think dopamine, and MAO. It wasinteresting, the MAO B connection, since that plays into migraines as well. Here's the MAO part: > > > > "Generally, Monoamine Oxidase A (MAOA) prefers to metabolize norepinephrine (NE), serotonin (5-HT), and Dopamine (DA) (and other less clinically relevant chemicals). Monoamine Oxidase B, on the other hand, prefers to metabolize Dopamine (DA) (and other less clinically relevant chemicals).The differences between the substrate selectivity of the two enzymes are utilized clinically when treating specific disorders: Monoamine Oxidase A inhibitorshave been used in the treatment of depression, and Monoamine Oxidase B inhibitors are used in the treatment of Parkinson's Disease." http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Monoamine_ oxidase_B > > > > http://www.utexas. edu/research/ asrec/demoasrec. html Here's a quick little example on neurotransmitters. > > > > http://www.drugabus e.gov/NIDA_ notes/NNvol21N4/ Impacts.html -more detailed > > > > testing dopamine levels, and natural enhancement - http://www.integrat ivepsychiatry. net/dopamine. html > > > > On this next one, I'd like to know how they think the "microwaves are 'non-thermally' affecting", since it is heating things up and increasing vibration rates. Although the body does try to convert microwave into infrared, 'maybe' the heat is decreased by the time it hits these items, or the electrical effect happens so quickly, the heat hasn't hit yet? > > > > from: http://lifeenergies .com/ -- > > ... "Reports of headache are consistent with the fact that microwaves non-thermally affect the dopamine-opiate system of the brain and increase the permeability of the blood-brain barrier. The reports of sleep disruption,on the other hand, are consistent with the effect of the radiation on rapid eye movement (REM) sleep and on melatonin levels, while memory impairmentis consistent with the finding that microwave radiation targets the hippocampus. > > > > U of Toronto ... heightened probability of cracking up your car persists for up to 15 minutes after completing a cellphone call".... > > > > ------- > > nextup.org/pdf/ PrPaulDoyonAreMi crowavesAtheMajo rCausalFactorInC fsME.pdf - > > from good 4 page article > > > > > 5. Microwaves have been shown in studies to induce Oxidative Damage leading to a decrease in Super Oxide Dimutase (SOD), catalase, glutathione, CoQ10 along with evidence of increased byproducts of oxidative stress to cellmembranes, MDA. Oxidative damage has been found to be a major factor in CFS and people with CFS consistently found to be depleted in the above body'snatural antioxidents. > > > > 6. Exposure to microwaves and other EMFs is known to abnormally affect calcium flux into and out of cells. This is also an abnormality found in people with CFS/ME. > > > > 16. Dopamine levels are also known to be affected by microwave radiation exposure. PWC have been found to often have low levels of dopamine with decreased dopamine being linked to depression, a symptoms also found in PWC. > > > > 17. Decreases in the hormone Acetylcholine - known to be induced by exposure to EMR - is an abnormality also found in CFS/ME. > > (Now here we are back to nicotine, which binds into the acetylcholine receptors, which I mentioned earlier, made me think we could use more of that, -ac, not nicotine, lol- but perhaps nicotine binding there helps reduce or stop some of the emf from acting on that part of the system as rapidly. Perhaps emfs act on acetylcholine in the system in a slower way than say being exposed to certain nerve gases, which in toxic amounts besides seizuring can kill ya quick, they eat up the ac. ) > > > > Austrailia site, maybe find resources for those of you there. Some of emf listings - http://www.livingno w.com.au/ component/ search/electroma gnetic%2Bsea/ %252F?ordering= newest&searchphr ase=all&limit= 20&areas[0]= content > > > > ~ Snoshoe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |
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Here's one, I just found, haven't even read it through, but it looks promising, info. wise -
Electromagnetic fields, the modulation of brain tissue functions A possible paradigm shift in biology www.emrpolicy.org/science/forum/adey_encneuro_emfs.pdf It looks, at least on this end, like some of my links got messed up in sending, adding extra spaces, etc., but I've been getting added A's showing up in my messages lately too, so maybe it's a yahoo glitch? Sorry about that. I think the calcium, and magnesium will be what is more important in cellular wall integrity, where it is the potassium/sodium in and out flow throughthe cells that is also part of our problems - "Voltage-gated sodium channels open (activate) when the membrane is depolarized and close on repolarization (deactivate) but also on continuing depolarization by a process termed inactivation, which leaves the channel refractory, i.e., unable to open again for a period of time. In the "classical" fast inactivation, this time is of the millisecond range, but it can last much longer (up to seconds) in a different slow type of inactivation." http://www.ionchannels.org/showabstract.php?pmid=16183913 ~ Snoshoe --- In [hidden email], "furstc0404" <furstc0404@...> wrote: > > > Hi Evie > > Have you got any references about the calcium flux in and out of cells? I thought ion channels would be affected somehow, but > have not got the specifics and relationship with microwaves. > > Thanks > > Kooky > > > --- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@> wrote: > > > > Hi, Snoshoe, > >  > > Sorry to read in your previous posts how bad you have been feeling lately. We would never know it had you not said; your (re)searches are impeccable. :) You are a fount of great info! ;) > >  > > I was just discussing this with Stephen here earlier today: > > "6. Exposure to microwaves and other EMFs is known to abnormally affectcalcium flux into and out of cells. This is also an abnormality found in people with CFS/ME." > >  > > So, Stephen! Here is a good website to read on that subject! And it is put much better than I could explain, I am sure. > > > > Take care, Snoshoe; I so appreciate your great ability to ferret info (and I too regularly lose track of my websites, so I can relate toyour frustration lol), > > Diane > > > > --- On Sat, 3/27/10, snoshoe_2 <snoshoe_2@> wrote: > > > > > > From: snoshoe_2 <snoshoe_2@> > > Subject: [eSens] Neurotransmitters/dopamine etc. > > To: [hidden email] > > Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 5:34 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Microwaves in regular people increase certain neurotransmitters in a way similar to people doing cocaine. That's why you find so many people literally addicted to the gadgets. They truly are experiencing "drug" withdrawalsymptoms when they can't have their regular "fix" from their radiation, and start getting a little nuts. > > > > It really doesn't matter whether the source is from an electrical, or chemical reaction, things with the "right" frequencies will cause the same effects in the body. Unfortunately for us, choosing to avoid the electrical is increasingly difficult, so finding the mitigators to said frequencies, ie, extra supplements to repair weak areas, and replace ionized out elements, along with reducing exposure will become ever increasingly important. > > > > Par for the course for me, I lost a page I was sure I'd just saved, just a while ago, connecting interactions of I think dopamine, and MAO. It wasinteresting, the MAO B connection, since that plays into migraines as well. Here's the MAO part: > > > > "Generally, Monoamine Oxidase A (MAOA) prefers to metabolize norepinephrine (NE), serotonin (5-HT), and Dopamine (DA) (and other less clinically relevant chemicals). Monoamine Oxidase B, on the other hand, prefers to metabolize Dopamine (DA) (and other less clinically relevant chemicals).The differences between the substrate selectivity of the two enzymes are utilized clinically when treating specific disorders: Monoamine Oxidase A inhibitorshave been used in the treatment of depression, and Monoamine Oxidase B inhibitors are used in the treatment of Parkinson's Disease." http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Monoamine_ oxidase_B > > > > http://www.utexas. edu/research/ asrec/demoasrec. html Here's a quick little example on neurotransmitters. > > > > http://www.drugabus e.gov/NIDA_ notes/NNvol21N4/ Impacts.html -more detailed > > > > testing dopamine levels, and natural enhancement - http://www.integrat ivepsychiatry. net/dopamine. html > > > > On this next one, I'd like to know how they think the "microwaves are 'non-thermally' affecting", since it is heating things up and increasing vibration rates. Although the body does try to convert microwave into infrared, 'maybe' the heat is decreased by the time it hits these items, or the electrical effect happens so quickly, the heat hasn't hit yet? > > > > from: http://lifeenergies .com/ -- > > ... "Reports of headache are consistent with the fact that microwaves non-thermally affect the dopamine-opiate system of the brain and increase the permeability of the blood-brain barrier. The reports of sleep disruption,on the other hand, are consistent with the effect of the radiation on rapid eye movement (REM) sleep and on melatonin levels, while memory impairmentis consistent with the finding that microwave radiation targets the hippocampus. > > > > U of Toronto ... heightened probability of cracking up your car persists for up to 15 minutes after completing a cellphone call".... > > > > ------- > > nextup.org/pdf/ PrPaulDoyonAreMi crowavesAtheMajo rCausalFactorInC fsME.pdf - > > from good 4 page article > > > > > 5. Microwaves have been shown in studies to induce Oxidative Damage leading to a decrease in Super Oxide Dimutase (SOD), catalase, glutathione, CoQ10 along with evidence of increased byproducts of oxidative stress to cellmembranes, MDA. Oxidative damage has been found to be a major factor in CFS and people with CFS consistently found to be depleted in the above body'snatural antioxidents. > > > > 6. Exposure to microwaves and other EMFs is known to abnormally affect calcium flux into and out of cells. This is also an abnormality found in people with CFS/ME. > > > > 16. Dopamine levels are also known to be affected by microwave radiation exposure. PWC have been found to often have low levels of dopamine with decreased dopamine being linked to depression, a symptoms also found in PWC. > > > > 17. Decreases in the hormone Acetylcholine - known to be induced by exposure to EMR - is an abnormality also found in CFS/ME. > > (Now here we are back to nicotine, which binds into the acetylcholine receptors, which I mentioned earlier, made me think we could use more of that, -ac, not nicotine, lol- but perhaps nicotine binding there helps reduce or stop some of the emf from acting on that part of the system as rapidly. Perhaps emfs act on acetylcholine in the system in a slower way than say being exposed to certain nerve gases, which in toxic amounts besides seizuring can kill ya quick, they eat up the ac. ) > > > > Austrailia site, maybe find resources for those of you there. Some of emf listings - http://www.livingno w.com.au/ component/ search/electroma gnetic%2Bsea/ %252F?ordering= newest&searchphr ase=all&limit= 20&areas[0]=content > > > > ~ Snoshoe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > |
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Hi Kooky,
Here's a resend on the links, maybe they will come out right this time? It is the next-up link that has the numbered item you wanted. It's too long to fit in one line, so you might have to paste the parts into your address bar and remove the space to make it work? I don't have all the stuff I find on nicotine handy, but if you can find the thread with tobacco on it, there might be some in there, and if yahoo would return our missing threads, I'm sure more in the not distant past would show up under a tobacco or nicotine search. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monoamine_oxidase_B http://www.utexas.edu/research/asrec/demoasrec.html Here's a quick littleexample on neurotransmitters. http://www.drugabuse.gov/NIDA_notes/NNvol21N4/Impacts.html -more detailed testing dopamine levels, and natural enhancement - http://www.integrativepsychiatry.net/dopamine.html from: http://lifeenergies.com/ next-up.org/pdf/PrPaulDoyonAreMicrowavesAtheMajorCausalFactorInCfsME.pdf --- In [hidden email], "furstc0404" <furstc0404@...> wrote: > > > Hi Snoshoe > > Can I please have the links for the sites where > you found the info. None of the links except for > the last one (Australian site) worked. > > I was very interested in nos. 5, 6, 17 and any references > you have to nicotine etc... > > Many thanks > > Kooky > > > --- In [hidden email], "snoshoe_2" <snoshoe_2@> wrote: > > > > Microwaves in regular people increase certain neurotransmitters in a way similar to people doing cocaine. That's why you find so many people literally addicted to the gadgets. They truly are experiencing "drug" withdrawalsymptoms when they can't have their regular "fix" from their radiation, and start getting a little nuts. > > > > It really doesn't matter whether the source is from an electrical, or chemical reaction, things with the "right" frequencies will cause the same effects in the body. Unfortunately for us, choosing to avoid the electrical is increasingly difficult, so finding the mitigators to said frequencies, ie, extra supplements to repair weak areas, and replace ionized out elements, along with reducing exposure will become ever increasingly important. > > > > Par for the course for me, I lost a page I was sure I'd just saved, just a while ago, connecting interactions of I think dopamine, and MAO. It was interesting, the MAO B connection, since that plays into migraines as well. Here's the MAO part: > > > > "Generally, Monoamine Oxidase A (MAOA) prefers to metabolize norepinephrine (NE), serotonin (5-HT), and Dopamine (DA) (and other less clinically relevant chemicals). Monoamine Oxidase B, on the other hand, prefers to metabolize Dopamine (DA) (and other less clinically relevant chemicals).The differences between the substrate selectivity of the two enzymes are utilized clinically when treating specific disorders: Monoamine Oxidase A inhibitorshave been used in the treatment of depression, and Monoamine Oxidase B inhibitors are used in the treatment of Parkinson's Disease." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monoamine_oxidase_B > > > > > > http://www.utexas.edu/research/asrec/demoasrec.html Here's a quick little example on neurotransmitters. > > > > http://www.drugabuse.gov/NIDA_notes/NNvol21N4/Impacts.html -more detailed > > > > testing dopamine levels, and natural enhancement - http://www.integrativepsychiatry.net/dopamine.html > > > > On this next one, I'd like to know how they think the "microwaves are 'non-thermally' affecting", since it is heating things up and increasing vibration rates. Although the body does try to convert microwave into infrared, 'maybe' the heat is decreased by the time it hits these items, or the electrical effect happens so quickly, the heat hasn't hit yet? > > > > from: http://lifeenergies.com/ -- > > ... "Reports of headache are consistent with the fact that microwaves non-thermally affect the dopamine-opiate system of the brain and increase the permeability of the blood-brain barrier. The reports of sleep disruption,on the other hand, are consistent with the effect of the radiation on rapid eye movement (REM) sleep and on melatonin levels, while memory impairmentis consistent with the finding that microwave radiation targets the hippocampus. > > > > U of Toronto ... heightened probability of cracking up your car persists for up to 15 minutes after completing a cellphone call".... > > > > ------- > > nextup.org/pdf/PrPaulDoyonAreMicrowavesAtheMajorCausalFactorInCfsME.pdf- > > from good 4 page article > > > > > 5. Microwaves have been shown in studies to induce Oxidative Damage leading to a decrease in Super Oxide Dimutase (SOD), catalase, glutathione, CoQ10 along with evidence of increased byproducts of oxidative stress to cellmembranes, MDA. Oxidative damage has been found to be a major factor in CFS and people with CFS consistently found to be depleted in the above body'snatural antioxidents. > > > > 6. Exposure to microwaves and other EMFs is known to abnormally affect calcium flux into and out of cells. This is also an abnormality found in people with CFS/ME. > > > > 16. Dopamine levels are also known to be affected by microwave radiation exposure. PWC have been found to often have low levels of dopamine with decreased dopamine being linked to depression, a symptoms also found in PWC. > > > > 17. Decreases in the hormone Acetylcholine - known to be induced by exposure to EMR - is an abnormality also found in CFS/ME. > > (Now here we are back to nicotine, which binds into the acetylcholinereceptors, which I mentioned earlier, made me think we could use more of that, -ac, not nicotine, lol- but perhaps nicotine binding there helps reduce or stop some of the emf from acting on that part of the system as rapidly. Perhaps emfs act on acetylcholine in the system in a slower way than say being exposed to certain nerve gases, which in toxic amounts besides seizuring can kill ya quick, they eat up the ac. ) > > > > Austrailia site, maybe find resources for those of you there. Some of emf listings - http://www.livingnow.com.au/component/search/electromagnetic%2Bsea/%252F?ordering=newest&searchphrase=all&limit=20&areas[0]=content > > > > ~ Snoshoe > > > |
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Hi, Kooky,
Well here are some: http://www.es-uk.info/index.asp If memory serves, I got some researchstudy info here http://www.nap.edu/catalog.php?record_id=12036#toc At this site, there is info on where the author of this book got HIS info--click on "references". You can then google these studies. http://www.whatislife.com/reader2/membrane_bioelectricity.htm A background informational site it get up to speed on what you are reading in medical research abstracts http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B94RW-4V466X8-P&_user=10&_coverDate=03%2F31%2F2003&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=dfe46007fd90d463475b887af98a0ed1 This is all one site address. You will have to copy and paste the lines into your address window. Remove any spaces between any of the lettering/characters. ALSO, what I do is save one site, then I also readALL the related articles listed in the margin at the right of the main page. Now understand I am sending you ALL of my tj/ion channel sites--the individual sites do not have necessarily any bearing on ES/CFS/etc. I began saving sites 2 or 3 years ago, to keep abreast on what was happening in ion channelopathy studies and tight junction research. I have not likely read every study, but I have read alot of them. Many I also did not save. But they are in no particular order and no one study is likely more important to ES/CFS than another--the sites are all mixed up. I did not catalogue these. http://psychology.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Electrophysiology http://ajpheart.physiology.org/cgi/content/full/289/2/H738 http://jcs.biologists.org/cgi/reprint/jcs.02631v1.pdf http://www.microwavenews.com/ I think I found some info on thissite; if there is actual info on microwaves causing ion channel damage, I'd think it would be here http://neuromuscular.wustl.edu/mother/chan.html Huge amount of info here; I did not save any of these individually. http://www.childrenshospital.org/dream/summer2003/body.html Very good site to read; not an abstract, just information on research put in laymen's terms http://www.jneuroinflammation.com/content/5/1/12 Site is more about damaged BBB and caffeine's (good) affects on it, but a good read No ion channel info http://www.whatislife.com/reader2/therapeutics-reader.htm Another background info site Explains various channels and what diseases stem from them http://www.plosbiology.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pbio.0020070 http://pats.atsjournals.org/cgi/content/full/1/1/38 http://www.aboutmecfs.org/Rsrch/NeurologicalChannelopathy.aspx You can take the references here and search those for a whole new bunch of applicable sites. http://www.aboutmecfs.org/Rsrch/NeurologicalChannelopathy.aspx http://opal.msu.montana.edu/cftr/IonChannelPrimers/beginners4.htm Another info primer for the beginner http://community.livejournal.com/migraines/821342.html About 1- 1 1/2" down page, it will explain how migraines figure into channelopathy http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez You can enter "channelopathy", "tight junctions", ""ion channel(s)", and other related terms in the search window here and come up with gobs of studies. http://www.ionchannels.org/literature.php Same here; gobs of studies and info. http://jgp.rupress.org/cgi/content/full/130/1/1 http://www.kosmix.com/topic/Ion_channel I noticed "timothy syndrome" is the featured article there today. It causes calcium influx into cells http://physrev.physiology.org/cgi/content/abstract/83/1/117 http://www.ionchannels.org/showabstract.php?pmid=8784819 http://www.stirwandsdirect.com/pdf/understanding-hydration_long.pdf about aqua porin channels http://jn.physiology.org/cgi/content/full/94/2/1287 http://www.therionresearch.com/database/neurological.html multiple articles http://www.meresearch.org.uk/information/researchdbase/ResearchPublications2004.pdf I threw this in for you, Kooky--database of all ME research in the UK by year. Dr Chaudhuri is the main doctor researching ME/ion channelopathy,but you probably know this and might also already know this site. http://www.the-scientist.com/article/display/14022/ http://www.ionchannels.org/showcitationlist.php?keyword=sodium+channel+mutants http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/116/2/e303 about emfs and children Took awhile, but this should get you started! ;) I have a few more scribbled on notes various places; when you are finished with these I can send more. Take care; ENJOY!! ;) Diane --- On Sat, 3/27/10, furstc0404 <[hidden email]> wrote: From: furstc0404 <[hidden email]> Subject: [eSens] Re: Neurotransmitters/dopamine etc. To: [hidden email] Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 7:32 PM HI Diane Yes, yes, please. If you could send me all the info you have, will sift through. I will spend more time researching on this now. I was very interested also in what Snoshoe wrote about the "Exposure to microwaves and other EMFs is known to abnormally affect calcium flux into and out of cells. This is also an abnormality found in people with CFS/ME." There is no doubt it is also some type of toxicity, reducing glutathione, SOD etc... Thanks for that. Kooky --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Evie <evie15422@. ..> wrote: > > Hi, Kooky, >  > I've gotta get off line and make dinner. I don't have any more specific info than the info Snoshoe sent here, most likely--I mean I can send you my search materials--about 100 medical research sites to read--I don't keep more than notes tho as to specifics. You would have to sift thru it yourself--do you want the sites? No problem, butI can't send today; will try to soon. The sites will not have specifics for microwaves; the sites explain how ion channels andtjs work. Unfortunately, I have not found specific to ES info like that. It makes sense, tho, that ion channels are affected by microwaves. And that is how/why I got interested in this subject. >  > Btw, Bill Bruno--I was the one who mentioned the tj permeability gene, discovered by Marios Hadjivassilious of the UK, 2006ish. You wantthe name of the gene? Don't have it but could probably find it. Again, not today. >  > Bye for now, > Diane > > --- On Sat, 3/27/10, furstc0404 <furstc0404@ ...> wrote: > > > From: furstc0404 <furstc0404@ ...> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Neurotransmitters/ dopamine etc. > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com > Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 7:07 PM > > >  > > > > > Hi Evie > > Have you got any references about the calcium flux in and out of cells? Ithought ion channels would be affected somehow, but > have not got the specifics and relationship with microwaves. > > Thanks > > Kooky > > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Evie <evie15422@ ..> wrote: > > > > Hi, Snoshoe, > >  > > Sorry to read in your previous posts how bad you have been feeling lately. We would never know it had you not said; your (re)searches are impeccable. :) You are a fount of great info! ;) > >  > > I was just discussing this with Stephen here earlier today: > > "6. Exposure to microwaves and other EMFs is known to abnormally affectcalcium flux into and out of cells. This is also an abnormality found in people with CFS/ME." > >  > > So, Stephen! Here is a good website to read on that subject! And it is put much better than I could explain, I am sure. > > > > Take care, Snoshoe; I so appreciate your great ability to ferret info (and I too regularly lose track of my websites, so I can relate to your frustration lol), > > Diane > > > > --- On Sat, 3/27/10, snoshoe_2 <snoshoe_2@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > From: snoshoe_2 <snoshoe_2@ ..> > > Subject: [eSens] Neurotransmitters/ dopamine etc. > > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com > > Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 5:34 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Microwaves in regular people increase certain neurotransmitters in a way similar to people doing cocaine. That's why you find so many people literally addicted to the gadgets. They truly are experiencing "drug" withdrawalsymptoms when they can't have their regular "fix" from their radiation, and start getting a little nuts. > > > > It really doesn't matter whether the source is from an electrical, or chemical reaction, things with the "right" frequencies will cause the same effects in the body. Unfortunately for us, choosing to avoid the electrical is increasingly difficult, so finding the mitigators to said frequencies, ie, extra supplements to repair weak areas, and replace ionized out elements, along with reducing exposure will become ever increasingly important. > > > > Par for the course for me, I lost a page I was sure I'd just saved, just a while ago, connecting interactions of I think dopamine, and MAO. It wasinteresting, the MAO B connection, since that plays into migraines as well. Here's the MAO part: > > > > "Generally, Monoamine Oxidase A (MAOA) prefers to metabolize norepinephrine (NE), serotonin (5-HT), and Dopamine (DA) (and other less clinically relevant chemicals). Monoamine Oxidase B, on the other hand, prefers to metabolize Dopamine (DA) (and other less clinically relevant chemicals).The differences between the substrate selectivity of the two enzymes are utilized clinically when treating specific disorders: Monoamine Oxidase A inhibitorshave been used in the treatment of depression, and Monoamine Oxidase B inhibitors are used in the treatment of Parkinson's Disease." http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Monoamine_ oxidase_B > > > > http://www.utexas. edu/research/ asrec/demoasrec. html Here's a quick little example on neurotransmitters. > > > > http://www.drugabus e.gov/NIDA_ notes/NNvol21N4/ Impacts.html -more detailed > > > > testing dopamine levels, and natural enhancement - http://www.integrat ivepsychiatry. net/dopamine. html > > > > On this next one, I'd like to know how they think the "microwaves are 'non-thermally' affecting", since it is heating things up and increasing vibration rates. Although the body does try to convert microwave into infrared, 'maybe' the heat is decreased by the time it hits these items, or the electrical effect happens so quickly, the heat hasn't hit yet? > > > > from: http://lifeenergies .com/ -- > > ... "Reports of headache are consistent with the fact that microwaves non-thermally affect the dopamine-opiate system of the brain and increase the permeability of the blood-brain barrier. The reports of sleep disruption,on the other hand, are consistent with the effect of the radiation on rapid eye movement (REM) sleep and on melatonin levels, while memory impairmentis consistent with the finding that microwave radiation targets the hippocampus. > > > > U of Toronto ... heightened probability of cracking up your car persists for up to 15 minutes after completing a cellphone call".... > > > > ------- > > nextup.org/pdf/ PrPaulDoyonAreMi crowavesAtheMajo rCausalFactorInC fsME.pdf - > > from good 4 page article > > > > > 5. Microwaves have been shown in studies to induce Oxidative Damage leading to a decrease in Super Oxide Dimutase (SOD), catalase, glutathione, CoQ10 along with evidence of increased byproducts of oxidative stress to cellmembranes, MDA. Oxidative damage has been found to be a major factor in CFS and people with CFS consistently found to be depleted in the above body'snatural antioxidents. > > > > 6. Exposure to microwaves and other EMFs is known to abnormally affect calcium flux into and out of cells. This is also an abnormality found in people with CFS/ME. > > > > 16. Dopamine levels are also known to be affected by microwave radiation exposure. PWC have been found to often have low levels of dopamine with decreased dopamine being linked to depression, a symptoms also found in PWC. > > > > 17. Decreases in the hormone Acetylcholine - known to be induced by exposure to EMR - is an abnormality also found in CFS/ME. > > (Now here we are back to nicotine, which binds into the acetylcholine receptors, which I mentioned earlier, made me think we could use more of that, -ac, not nicotine, lol- but perhaps nicotine binding there helps reduce or stop some of the emf from acting on that part of the system as rapidly. Perhaps emfs act on acetylcholine in the system in a slower way than say being exposed to certain nerve gases, which in toxic amounts besides seizuring can kill ya quick, they eat up the ac. ) > > > > Austrailia site, maybe find resources for those of you there. Some of emf listings - http://www.livingno w.com.au/ component/ search/electroma gnetic%2Bsea/ %252F?ordering= newest&searchphr ase=all&limit= 20&areas[0]= content > > > > ~ Snoshoe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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I notice I wrote I did not read every study--I meant I haven't exhausted research in this area. I have read all the sites/studies I sent you. Also, forgot to include them, but I sent 3 sites last week to Snoshoe, on blood polarity/BBB/tight junctions. Diane --- On Sun, 3/28/10, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Evie <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Neurotransmitters/dopamine etc. To: [hidden email] Date: Sunday, March 28, 2010, 12:58 PM Hi, Kooky, Well here are some: http://www.es- uk.info/index. asp If memory serves, I got some research study info here http://www.nap. edu/catalog. php?record_ id=12036# toc At this site, there is info on where the author of this book got HIS info--click on "references" . You can then google these studies. http://www.whatisli fe.com/reader2/ membrane_ bioelectricity. htm A background informational site it get up to speed on what you are reading in medical research abstracts http://www.scienced irect.com/ science?_ ob=ArticleURL& _udi=B94RW- 4V466X8-P& _user=10& _coverDate= 03%2F31%2F2003& _rdoc=1&_ fmt=high& _orig=search& _sort=d&_ docanchor= &view=c&_ acct=C000050221& _version= 1&_urlVersion= 0&_userid= 10&md5=dfe46007f d90d463475b887af 98a0ed1 This is all one site address. You will have to copy and paste the lines into your address window. Remove any spaces between any of the lettering/character s. ALSO, what I do is save one site, then I also read ALL the related articles listed in the margin at the right of the main page. Now understand I am sending you ALL of my tj/ion channel sites--the individual sites do not have necessarily any bearing on ES/CFS/etc. I began saving sites 2 or 3 years ago, to keep abreast on what was happening in ion channelopathy studies and tight junction research. I have not likely read every study, but I have read alot of them. Many I also did not save. But they are in no particular order and no one study is likely more important to ES/CFS than another--the sites are all mixed up. I did not catalogue these. http://psychology. wikia.com/ wiki/Category: Electrophysiolog y http://ajpheart. physiology. org/cgi/content/ full/289/ 2/H738 http://jcs.biologis ts.org/cgi/ reprint/jcs. 02631v1.pdf http://www.microwav enews.com/ I think I found some info on this site; if there is actual info on microwaves causing ion channel damage, I'd think it would be here http://neuromuscula r.wustl.edu/ mother/chan. html Huge amount of info here; I did not save any of these individually. http://www.children shospital. org/dream/ summer2003/ body.html Very good site to read; not an abstract, just information on research put in laymen's terms http://www.jneuroin flammation. com/content/ 5/1/12 Site is more about damaged BBB and caffeine's (good) affects on it, but a good read Noion channel info http://www.whatisli fe.com/reader2/ therapeutics- reader.htm Another background info site Explains various channels and what diseases stemfrom them http://www.plosbiol ogy.org/article/ info:doi/ 10.1371/journal. pbio.0020070 http://pats. atsjournals. org/cgi/content/ full/1/1/ 38 http://www.aboutmec fs.org/Rsrch/ NeurologicalChan nelopathy. aspx You can take the references here and search those for a whole new bunch of applicable sites. http://www.aboutmec fs.org/Rsrch/ NeurologicalChan nelopathy. aspx http://opal. msu.montana. edu/cftr/ IonChannelPrimer s/beginners4. htm Another info primer for the beginner http://community. livejournal. com/migraines/ 821342.html About 1- 1 1/2" down page, it will explain how migraines figure into channelopathy http://www.ncbi. nlm.nih.gov/ sites/entrez You can enter "channelopathy" , "tight junctions", ""ion channel(s)", and other related terms in the search window here and come up with gobs of studies. http://www.ionchann els.org/literatu re.php Same here; gobs of studies and info. http://jgp.rupress. org/cgi/content/ full/130/ 1/1 http://www.kosmix. com/topic/ Ion_channel I noticed "timothy syndrome" is the featured article there today. It causes calcium influxinto cells http://physrev. physiology. org/cgi/content/ abstract/ 83/1/117 http://www.ionchann els.org/showabst ract.php? pmid=8784819 http://www.stirwand sdirect.com/ pdf/understandin g-hydration_ long.pdf about aqua porin channels http://jn.physiolog y.org/cgi/ content/full/ 94/2/1287 http://www.therionr esearch.com/ database/ neurological. html multiple articles http://www.meresear ch.org.uk/ information/ researchdbase/ ResearchPublications2004. pdf I threw this in for you, Kooky--database of all ME research in the UK by year. Dr Chaudhuri is the main doctor researching ME/ion channelopathy,but you probably know this and might also already know this site. http://www.the- scientist. com/article/ display/14022/ http://www.ionchann els.org/showcita tionlist. php?keyword= sodium+channel+ mutants http://pediatrics. aappublications. org/cgi/content/ full/116/ 2/e303 about emfs and children Took awhile, but this should get you started! ;) I have a few more scribbled on notes various places; when you are finished with these I can send more. Take care; ENJOY!! ;) Diane --- On Sat, 3/27/10, furstc0404 <furstc0404@yahoo. com> wrote: From: furstc0404 <furstc0404@yahoo. com> Subject: [eSens] Re: Neurotransmitters/ dopamine etc. To: eSens@yahoogroups. com Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 7:32 PM HI Diane Yes, yes, please. If you could send me all the info you have, will sift through. I will spend more time researching on this now. I was very interested also in what Snoshoe wrote about the "Exposure to microwaves and other EMFs is known to abnormally affect calcium flux into and out of cells. This is also an abnormality found in people with CFS/ME." There is no doubt it is also some type of toxicity, reducing glutathione, SOD etc... Thanks for that. Kooky --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Evie <evie15422@. ..> wrote: > > Hi, Kooky, >  > I've gotta get off line and make dinner. I don't have any more specific info than the info Snoshoe sent here, most likely--I mean I can send you my search materials--about 100 medical research sites to read--I don't keep more than notes tho as to specifics. You would have to sift thru it yourself--do you want the sites? No problem, butI can't send today; will try to soon. The sites will not have specifics for microwaves; the sites explain how ion channels andtjs work. Unfortunately, I have not found specific to ES info like that. It makes sense, tho, that ion channels are affected by microwaves. And that is how/why I got interested in this subject. >  > Btw, Bill Bruno--I was the one who mentioned the tj permeability gene, discovered by Marios Hadjivassilious of the UK, 2006ish. You wantthe name of the gene? Don't have it but could probably find it. Again, not today. >  > Bye for now, > Diane > > --- On Sat, 3/27/10, furstc0404 <furstc0404@ ...> wrote: > > > From: furstc0404 <furstc0404@ ...> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Neurotransmitters/ dopamine etc. > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com > Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 7:07 PM > > >  > > > > > Hi Evie > > Have you got any references about the calcium flux in and out of cells? Ithought ion channels would be affected somehow, but > have not got the specifics and relationship with microwaves. > > Thanks > > Kooky > > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Evie <evie15422@ ..> wrote: > > > > Hi, Snoshoe, > >  > > Sorry to read in your previous posts how bad you have been feeling lately. We would never know it had you not said; your (re)searches are impeccable. :) You are a fount of great info! ;) > >  > > I was just discussing this with Stephen here earlier today: > > "6. Exposure to microwaves and other EMFs is known to abnormally affectcalcium flux into and out of cells. This is also an abnormality found in people with CFS/ME." > >  > > So, Stephen! Here is a good website to read on that subject! And it is put much better than I could explain, I am sure. > > > > Take care, Snoshoe; I so appreciate your great ability to ferret info (and I too regularly lose track of my websites, so I can relate to your frustration lol), > > Diane > > > > --- On Sat, 3/27/10, snoshoe_2 <snoshoe_2@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > From: snoshoe_2 <snoshoe_2@ ..> > > Subject: [eSens] Neurotransmitters/ dopamine etc. > > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com > > Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 5:34 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Microwaves in regular people increase certain neurotransmitters in a way similar to people doing cocaine. That's why you find so many people literally addicted to the gadgets. They truly are experiencing "drug" withdrawalsymptoms when they can't have their regular "fix" from their radiation, and start getting a little nuts. > > > > It really doesn't matter whether the source is from an electrical, or chemical reaction, things with the "right" frequencies will cause the same effects in the body. Unfortunately for us, choosing to avoid the electrical is increasingly difficult, so finding the mitigators to said frequencies, ie, extra supplements to repair weak areas, and replace ionized out elements, along with reducing exposure will become ever increasingly important. > > > > Par for the course for me, I lost a page I was sure I'd just saved, just a while ago, connecting interactions of I think dopamine, and MAO. It wasinteresting, the MAO B connection, since that plays into migraines as well. Here's the MAO part: > > > > "Generally, Monoamine Oxidase A (MAOA) prefers to metabolize norepinephrine (NE), serotonin (5-HT), and Dopamine (DA) (and other less clinically relevant chemicals). Monoamine Oxidase B, on the other hand, prefers to metabolize Dopamine (DA) (and other less clinically relevant chemicals).The differences between the substrate selectivity of the two enzymes are utilized clinically when treating specific disorders: Monoamine Oxidase A inhibitorshave been used in the treatment of depression, and Monoamine Oxidase B inhibitors are used in the treatment of Parkinson's Disease." http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Monoamine_ oxidase_B > > > > http://www.utexas. edu/research/ asrec/demoasrec. html Here's a quick little example on neurotransmitters. > > > > http://www.drugabus e.gov/NIDA_ notes/NNvol21N4/ Impacts.html -more detailed > > > > testing dopamine levels, and natural enhancement - http://www.integrat ivepsychiatry. net/dopamine. html > > > > On this next one, I'd like to know how they think the "microwaves are 'non-thermally' affecting", since it is heating things up and increasing vibration rates. Although the body does try to convert microwave into infrared, 'maybe' the heat is decreased by the time it hits these items, or the electrical effect happens so quickly, the heat hasn't hit yet? > > > > from: http://lifeenergies .com/ -- > > ... "Reports of headache are consistent with the fact that microwaves non-thermally affect the dopamine-opiate system of the brain and increase the permeability of the blood-brain barrier. The reports of sleep disruption,on the other hand, are consistent with the effect of the radiation on rapid eye movement (REM) sleep and on melatonin levels, while memory impairmentis consistent with the finding that microwave radiation targets the hippocampus. > > > > U of Toronto ... heightened probability of cracking up your car persists for up to 15 minutes after completing a cellphone call".... > > > > ------- > > nextup.org/pdf/ PrPaulDoyonAreMi crowavesAtheMajo rCausalFactorInC fsME.pdf - > > from good 4 page article > > > > > 5. Microwaves have been shown in studies to induce Oxidative Damage leading to a decrease in Super Oxide Dimutase (SOD), catalase, glutathione, CoQ10 along with evidence of increased byproducts of oxidative stress to cellmembranes, MDA. Oxidative damage has been found to be a major factor in CFS and people with CFS consistently found to be depleted in the above body'snatural antioxidents. > > > > 6. Exposure to microwaves and other EMFs is known to abnormally affect calcium flux into and out of cells. This is also an abnormality found in people with CFS/ME. > > > > 16. Dopamine levels are also known to be affected by microwave radiation exposure. PWC have been found to often have low levels of dopamine with decreased dopamine being linked to depression, a symptoms also found in PWC. > > > > 17. Decreases in the hormone Acetylcholine - known to be induced by exposure to EMR - is an abnormality also found in CFS/ME. > > (Now here we are back to nicotine, which binds into the acetylcholine receptors, which I mentioned earlier, made me think we could use more of that, -ac, not nicotine, lol- but perhaps nicotine binding there helps reduce or stop some of the emf from acting on that part of the system as rapidly. Perhaps emfs act on acetylcholine in the system in a slower way than say being exposed to certain nerve gases, which in toxic amounts besides seizuring can kill ya quick, they eat up the ac. ) > > > > Austrailia site, maybe find resources for those of you there. Some of emf listings - http://www.livingno w.com.au/ component/ search/electroma gnetic%2Bsea/ %252F?ordering= newest&searchphr ase=all&limit= 20&areas[0]= content > > > > ~ Snoshoe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Hi Diane Many thanks for all the links, lots of reading to do!!! I had two bad days of EMF/ES, was my fault though. Kooky --- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@...> wrote: > > Kooky, >  > I notice I wrote I did not read every study--I meant I haven't exhausted research in this area. I have read all the sites/studies I sent you. Also, forgot to include them, but I sent 3 sites last week to Snoshoe, on blood polarity/BBB/tight junctions. >  > Diane > > --- On Sun, 3/28/10, Evie <evie15422@...> wrote: > > > From: Evie <evie15422@...> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Neurotransmitters/dopamine etc. > To: [hidden email] > Date: Sunday, March 28, 2010, 12:58 PM > > >  > > > > Hi, Kooky, >  > Well here are some: >  > http://www.es- uk.info/index. asp If memory serves, I got some research study info here >  > http://www.nap. edu/catalog. php?record_ id=12036# toc At this site, there is info on where the author of this book got HIS info--click on "references" . You can then google these studies. >  > http://www.whatisli fe.com/reader2/ membrane_ bioelectricity. htm Abackground informational site it get up to speed on what you are reading in medical research abstracts >  > http://www.scienced irect.com/ science?_ ob=ArticleURL& _udi=B94RW- 4V466X8-P& _user=10& _coverDate= 03%2F31%2F2003& _rdoc=1&_ fmt=high&_orig=search& _sort=d&_ docanchor= &view=c&_ acct=C000050221& _version= 1&_urlVersion= 0&_userid= 10&md5=dfe46007f d90d463475b887af98a0ed1 > This is all one site address. You will have to copy and paste the lines into your address window. Remove any spaces between any of the lettering/character s. ALSO, what I do is save one site, then I also read ALL the related articles listed in the margin at the right of the main page. Now understand I am sending you ALL of my tj/ion channel sites--the individual sites do not have necessarily any bearing on ES/CFS/etc. I began saving sites 2 or 3 years ago, to keep abreast on what was happening in ion channelopathy studies and tight junction research. I have not likely read every study, but I have read alot of them. Many I also did not save. But they are in no particular order and no one study is likely more important to ES/CFS than another--the sites are all mixed up. I did not catalogue these. >  > http://psychology. wikia.com/ wiki/Category: Electrophysiolog y >  > http://ajpheart. physiology. org/cgi/content/ full/289/ 2/H738 >  > http://jcs.biologis ts.org/cgi/ reprint/jcs. 02631v1.pdf >  > http://www.microwav enews.com/  I think I found some info on this site; if there is actual info on microwaves causing ion channel damage,I'd think it would be here >  > http://neuromuscula r.wustl.edu/ mother/chan. html  Huge amount of info here; I did not save any of these individually. >  > http://www.children shospital. org/dream/ summer2003/ body.html  Very good site to read; not an abstract, just information on research put in laymen's terms >  > http://www.jneuroin flammation. com/content/ 5/1/12 Site is more about damaged BBB and caffeine's (good) affects on it, but a good read No ion channel info >  > http://www.whatisli fe.com/reader2/ therapeutics- reader.htm Another background info site Explains various channels and what diseases stem from them >  > http://www.plosbiol ogy.org/article/ info:doi/ 10.1371/journal. pbio.0020070 >  > http://pats. atsjournals. org/cgi/content/ full/1/1/ 38 >  > http://www.aboutmec fs.org/Rsrch/ NeurologicalChan nelopathy. aspx You can take the references here and search those for a whole new bunch of applicable sites. >  > http://www.aboutmec fs.org/Rsrch/ NeurologicalChan nelopathy. aspx >  > http://opal. msu.montana. edu/cftr/ IonChannelPrimer s/beginners4. htm Another info primer for the beginner >  > http://community. livejournal. com/migraines/ 821342.html About 1- 1 1/2" down page, it will explain how migraines figure into channelopathy >  > http://www.ncbi. nlm.nih.gov/ sites/entrez  You can enter "channelopathy" , "tight junctions", ""ion channel(s)", and other related termsin the search window here and come up with gobs of studies. >  > http://www.ionchann els.org/literatu re.php  Same here; gobs of studies and info. >  > http://jgp.rupress. org/cgi/content/ full/130/ 1/1 >  > http://www.kosmix. com/topic/ Ion_channel  I noticed "timothy syndrome" is the featured article there today. It causes calcium influx into cells >  > http://physrev. physiology. org/cgi/content/ abstract/ 83/1/117 >  > http://www.ionchann els.org/showabst ract.php? pmid=8784819 >  > http://www.stirwand sdirect.com/ pdf/understandin g-hydration_ long.pdf about aqua porin channels >  > http://jn.physiolog y.org/cgi/ content/full/ 94/2/1287 >  > http://www.therionr esearch.com/ database/ neurological. html multiple articles >  > http://www.meresear ch.org.uk/ information/ researchdbase/ ResearchPublicat ions2004. pdf > I threw this in for you, Kooky--database of all ME research in the UK by year. Dr Chaudhuri is the main doctor researching ME/ion channelopathy, but you probably know this and might also already know this site. >  > http://www.the- scientist. com/article/ display/14022/ >  > http://www.ionchann els.org/showcita tionlist. php?keyword= sodium+channel+ mutants >  > http://pediatrics. aappublications. org/cgi/content/ full/116/ 2/e303 about emfs and children >  > Took awhile, but this should get you started! ;) I have a fewmore scribbled on notes various places; when you are finished with these Ican send more. >  > Take care; ENJOY!! ;) > Diane > --- On Sat, 3/27/10, furstc0404 <furstc0404@yahoo. com> wrote: > > From: furstc0404 <furstc0404@yahoo. com> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Neurotransmitters/ dopamine etc. > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com > Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 7:32 PM > >  > > HI Diane > > Yes, yes, please. If you could send me all the info you have, will sift through. I will spend more time researching on this now. > > I was very interested also in what Snoshoe wrote about the "Exposure to microwaves and other EMFs is known to abnormally affect calcium flux into and out of cells. This is also an abnormality found in people with CFS/ME." > > There is no doubt it is also some type of toxicity, reducing glutathione,SOD etc... > > Thanks for that. > > Kooky > > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Evie <evie15422@ ..> wrote: > > > > Hi, Kooky, > > à> > I've gotta get off line and make dinner.àI don't have any more specific info than the info Snoshoe sent here, most likely--I mean I can send you my search materials--about 100 medical research sites to read--Idon't keep more than notes tho as to specifics.àYou would haveto sift thru it yourself--do you want the sites?àNo problem, but I can't send today; will try to soon.àTheàsites will not have specifics for microwaves; the sites explain how ion channels and tjs work.àUnfortunately, I have not found specific to ESàinfo like that.àIt makes sense, tho, that ion channelsare affected by microwaves.àAnd that is how/why I got interested in this subject. > > à> > Btw, Bill Bruno--I was the one who mentioned the tj permeability gene, discovered by Marios Hadjivassilious of the UK, 2006ish.àYou want the name of the gene?àDon't have it but could probably find it.àAgain, not today.à> > à> > Bye for now, > > Diane > > > > --- On Sat, 3/27/10, furstc0404 <furstc0404@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > From: furstc0404 <furstc0404@ ...> > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Neurotransmitters/ dopamine etc. > > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com > > Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 7:07 PM > > > > > > à> > > > > > > > > > Hi Evie > > > > Have you got any references about the calcium flux in and out of cells?I thought ion channels would be affected somehow, but > > have not got the specifics and relationship with microwaves. > > > > Thanks > > > > Kooky > > > > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Evie <evie15422@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > Hi, Snoshoe, > > > Ãâà> > > Sorry to read in your previous posts how bad you have been feeling lately.ÃâàWe would never know it had you not said; your (re)searchesÃâàare impeccable.Ãâà:)ÃâàYou are a fount of great info!Ãâà;)Ãâà> > > Ãâà> > > I was just discussing this with Stephen here earlier today: > > > "6. Exposure to microwaves and other EMFs is known to abnormally affect calcium flux into and out of cells. This is also an abnormality found inpeople with CFS/ME." > > > Ãâà> > > So, Stephen!ÃâàHereÃâàis aÃâàgood website to read on that subject!ÃâàAnd it is put much better than I could explain, I am sure. > > > > > > Take care, Snoshoe;ÃâàI soÃâàappreciate your great ability to ferret info (and I too regularly lose track of my websites, so I can relate to your frustrationÃâàlol), > > > Diane > > > > > > --- On Sat, 3/27/10, snoshoe_2 <snoshoe_2@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > From: snoshoe_2 <snoshoe_2@ ..> > > > Subject: [eSens] Neurotransmitters/ dopamine etc. > > > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com > > > Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 5:34 PM > > > > > > > > > Ãâà> > > > > > > > > > > > Microwaves in regular people increase certain neurotransmitters in a way similar to people doing cocaine. That's why you find so many people literally addicted to the gadgets. They truly are experiencing "drug" withdrawal symptoms when they can't have their regular "fix" from their radiation, and start getting a little nuts. > > > > > > It really doesn't matter whether the source is from an electrical, orchemical reaction, things with the "right" frequencies will cause the sameeffects in the body. Unfortunately for us, choosing to avoid the electrical is increasingly difficult, so finding the mitigators to said frequencies,ie, extra supplements to repair weak areas, and replace ionized out elements, along with reducing exposure will become ever increasingly important. > > > > > > Par for the course for me, I lost a page I was sure I'd just saved, just a while ago, connecting interactions of I think dopamine, and MAO. It was interesting, the MAO B connection, since that plays into migraines as well. Here's the MAO part: > > > > > > "Generally, Monoamine Oxidase A (MAOA) prefers to metabolize norepinephrine (NE), serotonin (5-HT), and Dopamine (DA) (and other less clinicallyrelevant chemicals). Monoamine Oxidase B, on the other hand, prefers to metabolize Dopamine (DA) (and other less clinically relevant chemicals).The differences between the substrate selectivity of the two enzymes are utilized clinically when treating specific disorders: Monoamine Oxidase A inhibitors have been used in the treatment of depression, and Monoamine Oxidase B inhibitors are used in the treatment of Parkinson's Disease." http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Monoamine_ oxidase_B > > > > > > http://www.utexas. edu/research/ asrec/demoasrec. html Here's a quicklittle example on neurotransmitters. > > > > > > http://www.drugabus e.gov/NIDA_ notes/NNvol21N4/ Impacts.html -more detailed > > > > > > testing dopamine levels, and natural enhancement - http://www.integrat ivepsychiatry. net/dopamine. html > > > > > > On this next one, I'd like to know how they think the "microwaves are'non-thermally' affecting", since it is heating things up and increasing vibration rates. Although the body does try to convert microwave into infrared, 'maybe' the heat is decreased by the time it hits these items, or the electrical effect happens so quickly, the heat hasn't hit yet? > > > > > > from: http://lifeenergies .com/ -- > > > ... "Reports of headache are consistent with the fact that microwavesnon-thermally affect the dopamine-opiate system of the brain and increase the permeability of the blood-brain barrier. The reports of sleep disruption, on the other hand, are consistent with the effect of the radiation on rapid eye movement (REM) sleep and on melatonin levels, while memory impairment is consistent with the finding that microwave radiation targets the hippocampus. > > > > > > U of Toronto ... heightened probability of cracking up your car persists for up to 15 minutes after completing a cellphone call".... > > > > > > ------- > > > nextup.org/pdf/ PrPaulDoyonAreMi crowavesAtheMajo rCausalFactorInC fsME.pdf - > > > from good 4 page article > > > > > > > 5. Microwaves have been shown in studies to induce Oxidative Damage leading to a decrease in Super Oxide Dimutase (SOD), catalase, glutathione, CoQ10 along with evidence of increased byproducts of oxidative stress to cell membranes, MDA. Oxidative damage has been found to be a major factor in CFS and people with CFS consistently found to be depleted in the above body's natural antioxidents. > > > > > > 6. Exposure to microwaves and other EMFs is known to abnormally affect calcium flux into and out of cells. This is also an abnormality found in people with CFS/ME. > > > > > > 16. Dopamine levels are also known to be affected by microwave radiation exposure. PWC have been found to often have low levels of dopamine withdecreased dopamine being linked to depression, a symptoms also found in PWC. > > > > > > 17. Decreases in the hormone Acetylcholine - known to be induced by exposure to EMR - is an abnormality also found in CFS/ME. > > > (Now here we are back to nicotine, which binds into the acetylcholinereceptors, which I mentioned earlier, made me think we could use more of that, -ac, not nicotine, lol- but perhaps nicotine binding there helps reduce or stop some of the emf from acting on that part of the system as rapidly. Perhaps emfs act on acetylcholine in the system in a slower way than say being exposed to certain nerve gases, which in toxic amounts besides seizuring can kill ya quick, they eat up the ac. ) > > > > > > Austrailia site, maybe find resources for those of you there. Some ofemf listings - http://www.livingno w.com.au/ component/ search/electroma gnetic%2Bsea/ %252F?ordering= newest&searchphr ase=all&limit= 20&areas[0]= content > > > > > > ~ Snoshoe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |
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Hi Snoshoe,
I am SOOO behind in my email and I have to be off the computer for the nextweek, so incase I don't get to answer your other recent emails to me, knowI really appreciate your sending all those links and info! I just have no time for awhile to read it! ;) Like you--I have to work on the computer in spurts, even tho I now have no problems with being on the computer. (I have too much going on in my life right now and add a holiday and anniversary party into the mix and I am really swamped. lol) Re cellular wall integrity..... Due to the tight junction permeability which I have (due to celiac genes and damage/other gene(s), I personally appear to leak calcium into cells, Snoshoe. (Thanks again for reminding me about the taurine last year, btw--I couldn't remember where my notes were and knew I needed an amino acid to go with the manganese. You saved me weeks in searching! I bless you everytime I take it. lol) When I began taking manganese and taurine last year, it was because I had done extensive searching on how to close tjs. My docs know so little on channelopathy that they just told me there was nothing to do for it. Period--don't even ask.... ;) I figured there was, if I really checked it out. Finally I found an obscure research paperwhich mentioned a study on rabbits in which they used manganese and taurine to get tjs which were stuck open to close. (Like you, I have ahabit of losing my sites and haven't seen the study since! I was so sure I had saved it, but I had to "restore" my operating system just after, and I suspect it didn't restore that site!) I am very cautious in taking the manganese and taurine and only use it once or twice a week, often even less if I am not going anywhere the emfs are high. But it DOES seem to make a difference with my calcium leaking problem! I used to have instant reactions (esp autonomic nervous system symptoms) around emfs. That has been much better with the manganese and taurine. You copied an excerpt from a site which mentions tjs NOT opening--some of mine don't appear to close and that is what I suspect the manganese is working to do--closethe tjs. My understanding (not that it is necessarily always correct!) is that, due to the tjs *not* closing, calcium floods the cell and I do not have the ability to maintain proper electrolyte balance, especially in the presence of emfs, which are known to affect tj permeability. I have read that this gene, which is responsible for allowing this celiac tj/BBB damage (referred to as the tight junction permeability gene--sorry Bill Bruno, I still haven't had time to look intoits true genetic description), is thought to be present in 22 to 24% of the population. So that *could* (not necessarily, but potentially) meanthat many people could have leaky tjs which *could* react like this, or ina similarly abnormal way. Hope to read all your interesting sites soon! Take care, Snoshoe, Diane --- On Sat, 3/27/10, snoshoe_2 <[hidden email]> wrote: From: snoshoe_2 <[hidden email]> Subject: [eSens] Re: Neurotransmitters/dopamine etc. To: [hidden email] Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 8:04 PM Here's one, I just found, haven't even read it through, but it looks promising, info. wise - Electromagnetic fields, the modulation of brain tissue functions — A possible paradigm shift in biology www.emrpolicy. org/science/ forum/adey_ encneuro_ emfs.pdf It looks, at least on this end, like some of my links got messed up in sending, adding extra spaces, etc., but I've been getting added A's showing up in my messages lately too, so maybe it's a yahoo glitch? Sorry about that. I think the calcium, and magnesium will be what is more important in cellular wall integrity, where it is the potassium/sodium in and out flow throughthe cells that is also part of our problems - "Voltage-gated sodium channels open (activate) when the membrane is depolarized and close on repolarization (deactivate) but also on continuing depolarization by a process termed inactivation, which leaves the channel refractory, i.e., unable to open again for a period of time. In the "classical" fast inactivation, this time is of the millisecond range, but it can last much longer (up to seconds) in a different slow type of inactivation. " http://www.ionchann els.org/showabst ract.php? pmid=16183913 ~ Snoshoe --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, "furstc0404" <furstc0404@ ...> wrote: > > > Hi Evie > > Have you got any references about the calcium flux in and out of cells? Ithought ion channels would be affected somehow, but > have not got the specifics and relationship with microwaves. > > Thanks > > Kooky > > > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Evie <evie15422@> wrote: > > > > Hi, Snoshoe, > >  > > Sorry to read in your previous posts how bad you have been feeling lately. We would never know it had you not said; your (re)searches are impeccable. :) You are a fount of great info! ;) > >  > > I was just discussing this with Stephen here earlier today: > > "6. Exposure to microwaves and other EMFs is known to abnormally affectcalcium flux into and out of cells. This is also an abnormality found in people with CFS/ME." > >  > > So, Stephen! Here is a good website to read on that subject! And it is put much better than I could explain, I am sure. > > > > Take care, Snoshoe; I so appreciate your great ability to ferret info (and I too regularly lose track of my websites, so I can relate to your frustration lol), > > Diane > > > > --- On Sat, 3/27/10, snoshoe_2 <snoshoe_2@> wrote: > > > > > > From: snoshoe_2 <snoshoe_2@> > > Subject: [eSens] Neurotransmitters/ dopamine etc. > > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com > > Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 5:34 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Microwaves in regular people increase certain neurotransmitters in a way similar to people doing cocaine. That's why you find so many people literally addicted to the gadgets. They truly are experiencing "drug" withdrawalsymptoms when they can't have their regular "fix" from their radiation, and start getting a little nuts. > > > > It really doesn't matter whether the source is from an electrical, or chemical reaction, things with the "right" frequencies will cause the same effects in the body. Unfortunately for us, choosing to avoid the electrical is increasingly difficult, so finding the mitigators to said frequencies, ie, extra supplements to repair weak areas, and replace ionized out elements, along with reducing exposure will become ever increasingly important. > > > > Par for the course for me, I lost a page I was sure I'd just saved, just a while ago, connecting interactions of I think dopamine, and MAO. It wasinteresting, the MAO B connection, since that plays into migraines as well. Here's the MAO part: > > > > "Generally, Monoamine Oxidase A (MAOA) prefers to metabolize norepinephrine (NE), serotonin (5-HT), and Dopamine (DA) (and other less clinically relevant chemicals). Monoamine Oxidase B, on the other hand, prefers to metabolize Dopamine (DA) (and other less clinically relevant chemicals).The differences between the substrate selectivity of the two enzymes are utilized clinically when treating specific disorders: Monoamine Oxidase A inhibitorshave been used in the treatment of depression, and Monoamine Oxidase B inhibitors are used in the treatment of Parkinson's Disease." http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Monoamine_ oxidase_B > > > > http://www.utexas. edu/research/ asrec/demoasrec. html Here's a quick little example on neurotransmitters. > > > > http://www.drugabus e.gov/NIDA_ notes/NNvol21N4/ Impacts.html -more detailed > > > > testing dopamine levels, and natural enhancement - http://www.integrat ivepsychiatry. net/dopamine. html > > > > On this next one, I'd like to know how they think the "microwaves are 'non-thermally' affecting", since it is heating things up and increasing vibration rates. Although the body does try to convert microwave into infrared, 'maybe' the heat is decreased by the time it hits these items, or the electrical effect happens so quickly, the heat hasn't hit yet? > > > > from: http://lifeenergies .com/ -- > > ... "Reports of headache are consistent with the fact that microwaves non-thermally affect the dopamine-opiate system of the brain and increase the permeability of the blood-brain barrier. The reports of sleep disruption,on the other hand, are consistent with the effect of the radiation on rapid eye movement (REM) sleep and on melatonin levels, while memory impairmentis consistent with the finding that microwave radiation targets the hippocampus. > > > > U of Toronto ... heightened probability of cracking up your car persists for up to 15 minutes after completing a cellphone call".... > > > > ------- > > nextup.org/pdf/ PrPaulDoyonAreMi crowavesAtheMajo rCausalFactorInC fsME.pdf - > > from good 4 page article > > > > > 5. Microwaves have been shown in studies to induce Oxidative Damage leading to a decrease in Super Oxide Dimutase (SOD), catalase, glutathione, CoQ10 along with evidence of increased byproducts of oxidative stress to cellmembranes, MDA. Oxidative damage has been found to be a major factor in CFS and people with CFS consistently found to be depleted in the above body'snatural antioxidents. > > > > 6. Exposure to microwaves and other EMFs is known to abnormally affect calcium flux into and out of cells. This is also an abnormality found in people with CFS/ME. > > > > 16. Dopamine levels are also known to be affected by microwave radiation exposure. PWC have been found to often have low levels of dopamine with decreased dopamine being linked to depression, a symptoms also found in PWC. > > > > 17. Decreases in the hormone Acetylcholine - known to be induced by exposure to EMR - is an abnormality also found in CFS/ME. > > (Now here we are back to nicotine, which binds into the acetylcholine receptors, which I mentioned earlier, made me think we could use more of that, -ac, not nicotine, lol- but perhaps nicotine binding there helps reduce or stop some of the emf from acting on that part of the system as rapidly. Perhaps emfs act on acetylcholine in the system in a slower way than say being exposed to certain nerve gases, which in toxic amounts besides seizuring can kill ya quick, they eat up the ac. ) > > > > Austrailia site, maybe find resources for those of you there. Some of emf listings - http://www.livingno w.com.au/ component/ search/electroma gnetic%2Bsea/ %252F?ordering= newest&searchphr ase=all&limit= 20&areas[0]= content > > > > ~ Snoshoe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Hi, Kooky,
Sorry to hear you are feeling so bad. Take care, dear. When youneed more studies, I have more to send. My best wishes, Diane --- On Sun, 3/28/10, furstc0404 <[hidden email]> wrote: From: furstc0404 <[hidden email]> Subject: [eSens] Re: Neurotransmitters/dopamine etc. To: [hidden email] Date: Sunday, March 28, 2010, 2:18 PM Hi Diane Many thanks for all the links, lots of reading to do!!! I had two bad days of EMF/ES, was my fault though. Kooky --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Evie <evie15422@. ..> wrote: > > Kooky, >  > I notice I wrote I did not read every study--I meant I haven't exhausted research in this area. I have read all the sites/studies I sentyou. Also, forgot to include them, but I sent 3 sites last week to Snoshoe, on blood polarity/BBB/ tight junctions. >  > Diane > > --- On Sun, 3/28/10, Evie <evie15422@. ..> wrote: > > > From: Evie <evie15422@. ..> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Neurotransmitters/ dopamine etc. > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com > Date: Sunday, March 28, 2010, 12:58 PM > > >  > > > > Hi, Kooky, >  > Well here are some: >  > http://www.es- uk.info/index. asp If memory serves, I got some research study info here >  > http://www.nap. edu/catalog. php?record_ id=12036# toc At this site, there is info on where the author of this book got HIS info--click on "references" . You can then google these studies. >  > http://www.whatisli fe.com/reader2/ membrane_ bioelectricity. htm A background informational site it get up to speed on what you are reading in medical research abstracts >  > http://www.scienced irect.com/ science?_ ob=ArticleURL& _udi=B94RW- 4V466X8-P& _user=10& _coverDate= 03%2F31%2F2003& _rdoc=1&_ fmt=high&_orig=search& _sort=d&_ docanchor= &view=c&_ acct=C000050221& _version= 1&_urlVersion= 0&_userid= 10&md5=dfe46007f d90d463475b887af98a0ed1 > This is all one site address. You will have to copy and pastethe lines into your address window. Remove any spaces between any of the lettering/character s. ALSO, what I do is save one site, then I also read ALL the related articles listed in the margin at the right of the main page. Now understand I am sending you ALL of my tj/ion channel sites--the individual sites do not have necessarily any bearing on ES/CFS/etc. I began saving sites 2 or 3 years ago, to keep abreast on what was happening in ionchannelopathy studies and tight junction research. I have not likely read every study, but I have read alot of them. Many I also did not save. But they are in no particular order and no one study is likely more important to ES/CFS than another--the sites are all mixed up. I did not catalogue these. >  > http://psychology. wikia.com/ wiki/Category: Electrophysiolog y >  > http://ajpheart. physiology. org/cgi/content/ full/289/ 2/H738 >  > http://jcs.biologis ts.org/cgi/ reprint/jcs. 02631v1.pdf >  > http://www.microwav enews.com/  I think I found some info on this site; if there is actual info on microwaves causing ion channel damage, I'd think it would be here >  > http://neuromuscula r.wustl.edu/ mother/chan. html  Huge amount of info here; I did not save any of these individually. >  > http://www.children shospital. org/dream/ summer2003/ body.html  Very good site to read; not an abstract, just information on research put in laymen's terms >  > http://www.jneuroin flammation. com/content/ 5/1/12 Site is more about damaged BBB and caffeine's (good) affects on it, but a good read No ion channel info >  > http://www.whatisli fe.com/reader2/ therapeutics- reader.htm Another background info site Explains various channels and whatdiseases stem from them >  > http://www.plosbiol ogy.org/article/ info:doi/ 10.1371/journal. pbio.0020070 >  > http://pats. atsjournals. org/cgi/content/ full/1/1/ 38 >  > http://www.aboutmec fs.org/Rsrch/ NeurologicalChan nelopathy. aspx You can take the references here and search those for a whole new bunch of applicable sites. >  > http://www.aboutmec fs.org/Rsrch/ NeurologicalChan nelopathy. aspx >  > http://opal. msu.montana. edu/cftr/ IonChannelPrimer s/beginners4. htm Another info primer for the beginner >  > http://community. livejournal. com/migraines/ 821342.html About 1- 1 1/2" down page, it will explain how migraines figure into channelopathy >  > http://www.ncbi. nlm.nih.gov/ sites/entrez  You can enter "channelopathy" , "tight junctions", ""ion channel(s)", and other related terms in the search window here and come up with gobs of studies. >  > http://www.ionchann els.org/literatu re.php  Same here; gobs of studies and info. >  > http://jgp.rupress. org/cgi/content/ full/130/ 1/1 >  > http://www.kosmix. com/topic/ Ion_channel  I noticed "timothy syndrome" is the featured article there today. It causes calcium influx into cells >  > http://physrev. physiology. org/cgi/content/ abstract/ 83/1/117 >  > http://www.ionchann els.org/showabst ract.php? pmid=8784819 >  > http://www.stirwand sdirect.com/ pdf/understandin g-hydration_ long.pdf about aqua porin channels >  > http://jn.physiolog y.org/cgi/ content/full/ 94/2/1287 >  > http://www.therionr esearch.com/ database/ neurological. html multiple articles >  > http://www.meresear ch.org.uk/ information/ researchdbase/ ResearchPublicat ions2004. pdf > I threw this in for you, Kooky--database of all ME research in the UK by year. Dr Chaudhuri is the main doctor researching ME/ion channelopathy, but you probably know this and might also already know this site. >  > http://www.the- scientist. com/article/ display/14022/ >  > http://www.ionchann els.org/showcita tionlist. php?keyword= sodium+channel+ mutants >  > http://pediatrics. aappublications. org/cgi/content/ full/116/ 2/e303 about emfs and children >  > Took awhile, but this should get you started! ;) I have a few more scribbled on notes various places; when you are finished with these I can send more. >  > Take care; ENJOY!! ;) > Diane > --- On Sat, 3/27/10, furstc0404 <furstc0404@ yahoo. com> wrote: > > From: furstc0404 <furstc0404@ yahoo. com> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Neurotransmitters/ dopamine etc. > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com > Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 7:32 PM > >  > > HI Diane > > Yes, yes, please. If you could send me all the info you have, will sift through. I will spend more time researching on this now. > > I was very interested also in what Snoshoe wrote about the "Exposure to microwaves and other EMFs is known to abnormally affect calcium flux into and out of cells. This is also an abnormality found in people with CFS/ME." > > There is no doubt it is also some type of toxicity, reducing glutathione,SOD etc... > > Thanks for that. > > Kooky > > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Evie <evie15422@ ..> wrote: > > > > Hi, Kooky, > >  > > I've gotta get off line and make dinner. I don't have any more specific info than the info Snoshoe sent here, most likely--I mean I can send you my search materials--about 100 medical research sites to read--I don't keep more than notes tho as to specifics. You would have to sift thru it yourself--do you want the sites? No problem, but I can't send today; will try to soon. The sites will not have specifics for microwaves; the sites explain how ion channels and tjs work. Unfortunately, I have not found specific to ES info like that. It makes sense, tho, that ion channels are affected by microwaves. And that is how/why I got interested in this subject. > >  > > Btw, Bill Bruno--I was the one who mentioned the tj permeability gene, discovered by Marios Hadjivassilious of the UK, 2006ish. You want the name of the gene? Don't have it but could probably find it. Again, not today. > >  > > Bye for now, > > Diane > > > > --- On Sat, 3/27/10, furstc0404 <furstc0404@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > From: furstc0404 <furstc0404@ ...> > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Neurotransmitters/ dopamine etc. > > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com > > Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 7:07 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Hi Evie > > > > Have you got any references about the calcium flux in and out of cells?I thought ion channels would be affected somehow, but > > have not got the specifics and relationship with microwaves. > > > > Thanks > > > > Kooky > > > > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Evie <evie15422@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > Hi, Snoshoe, > > >  > > > Sorry to read in your previous posts how bad you have been feeling lately. We would never know it had you not said; your (re)searches are impeccable. :) You are a fount of great info! ;) > > >  > > > I was just discussing this with Stephen here earlier today: > > > "6. Exposure to microwaves and other EMFs is known to abnormally affect calcium flux into and out of cells. This is also an abnormality found inpeople with CFS/ME." > > >  > > > So, Stephen! Here is a good website to read on that subject! And it is put much better than I could explain, I am sure. > > > > > > Take care, Snoshoe; I so appreciate your great ability to ferret info (and I too regularly lose track of my websites, so I can relate to your frustration lol), > > > Diane > > > > > > --- On Sat, 3/27/10, snoshoe_2 <snoshoe_2@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > From: snoshoe_2 <snoshoe_2@ ..> > > > Subject: [eSens] Neurotransmitters/ dopamine etc. > > > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com > > > Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 5:34 PM > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Microwaves in regular people increase certain neurotransmitters in a way similar to people doing cocaine. That's why you find so many people literally addicted to the gadgets. They truly are experiencing "drug" withdrawal symptoms when they can't have their regular "fix" from their radiation, and start getting a little nuts. > > > > > > It really doesn't matter whether the source is from an electrical, orchemical reaction, things with the "right" frequencies will cause the sameeffects in the body. Unfortunately for us, choosing to avoid the electrical is increasingly difficult, so finding the mitigators to said frequencies,ie, extra supplements to repair weak areas, and replace ionized out elements, along with reducing exposure will become ever increasingly important. > > > > > > Par for the course for me, I lost a page I was sure I'd just saved, just a while ago, connecting interactions of I think dopamine, and MAO. It was interesting, the MAO B connection, since that plays into migraines as well. Here's the MAO part: > > > > > > "Generally, Monoamine Oxidase A (MAOA) prefers to metabolize norepinephrine (NE), serotonin (5-HT), and Dopamine (DA) (and other less clinicallyrelevant chemicals). Monoamine Oxidase B, on the other hand, prefers to metabolize Dopamine (DA) (and other less clinically relevant chemicals).The differences between the substrate selectivity of the two enzymes are utilized clinically when treating specific disorders: Monoamine Oxidase A inhibitors have been used in the treatment of depression, and Monoamine Oxidase B inhibitors are used in the treatment of Parkinson's Disease." http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Monoamine_ oxidase_B > > > > > > http://www.utexas. edu/research/ asrec/demoasrec. html Here's a quicklittle example on neurotransmitters. > > > > > > http://www.drugabus e.gov/NIDA_ notes/NNvol21N4/ Impacts.html -more detailed > > > > > > testing dopamine levels, and natural enhancement - http://www.integrat ivepsychiatry. net/dopamine. html > > > > > > On this next one, I'd like to know how they think the "microwaves are'non-thermally' affecting", since it is heating things up and increasing vibration rates. Although the body does try to convert microwave into infrared, 'maybe' the heat is decreased by the time it hits these items, or the electrical effect happens so quickly, the heat hasn't hit yet? > > > > > > from: http://lifeenergies .com/ -- > > > ... "Reports of headache are consistent with the fact that microwavesnon-thermally affect the dopamine-opiate system of the brain and increase the permeability of the blood-brain barrier. The reports of sleep disruption, on the other hand, are consistent with the effect of the radiation on rapid eye movement (REM) sleep and on melatonin levels, while memory impairment is consistent with the finding that microwave radiation targets the hippocampus. > > > > > > U of Toronto ... heightened probability of cracking up your car persists for up to 15 minutes after completing a cellphone call".... > > > > > > ------- > > > nextup.org/pdf/ PrPaulDoyonAreMi crowavesAtheMajo rCausalFactorInC fsME.pdf - > > > from good 4 page article > > > > > > > 5. Microwaves have been shown in studies to induce Oxidative Damage leading to a decrease in Super Oxide Dimutase (SOD), catalase, glutathione, CoQ10 along with evidence of increased byproducts of oxidative stress to cell membranes, MDA. Oxidative damage has been found to be a major factor in CFS and people with CFS consistently found to be depleted in the above body's natural antioxidents. > > > > > > 6. Exposure to microwaves and other EMFs is known to abnormally affect calcium flux into and out of cells. This is also an abnormality found in people with CFS/ME. > > > > > > 16. Dopamine levels are also known to be affected by microwave radiation exposure. PWC have been found to often have low levels of dopamine withdecreased dopamine being linked to depression, a symptoms also found in PWC. > > > > > > 17. Decreases in the hormone Acetylcholine - known to be induced by exposure to EMR - is an abnormality also found in CFS/ME. > > > (Now here we are back to nicotine, which binds into the acetylcholinereceptors, which I mentioned earlier, made me think we could use more of that, -ac, not nicotine, lol- but perhaps nicotine binding there helps reduce or stop some of the emf from acting on that part of the system as rapidly. Perhaps emfs act on acetylcholine in the system in a slower way than say being exposed to certain nerve gases, which in toxic amounts besides seizuring can kill ya quick, they eat up the ac. ) > > > > > > Austrailia site, maybe find resources for those of you there. Some ofemf listings - http://www.livingno w.com.au/ component/ search/electroma gnetic%2Bsea/ %252F?ordering= newest&searchphr ase=all&limit= 20&areas[0]= content > > > > > > ~ Snoshoe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Tight junctions are never supposed to open, but there are
calcium channels that are supposed to let calcium through the membranes when needed. I should get some taurine... Blaylock's Excitotoxin book recommends it but does not say dosage I don't think... Bill On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > Hi Snoshoe, > > I am SOOO behind in my email and I have to be off the computer for the next > week, so incase I don't get to answer your other recent emails to me, know I > really appreciate your sending all those links and info! I just have no > time for awhile to read it! ;) Like you--I have to work on the computerin > spurts, even tho I now have no problems with being on the computer. (I have > too much going on in my life right now and add a holiday and anniversary > party into the mix and I am really swamped. lol) > > Re cellular wall integrity..... Due to the tight junction permeability > which I have (due to celiac genes and damage/other gene(s), I personally > appear to leak calcium into cells, Snoshoe. (Thanks again for reminding me > about the taurine last year, btw--I couldn't remember where my notes were > and knew I needed an amino acid to go with the manganese. You saved me > weeks in searching! I bless you everytime I take it. lol) > > When I began taking manganese and taurine last year, it was because I had > done extensive searching on how to close tjs. My docs know so little on > channelopathy that they just told me there was nothing to do for it. > Period--don't even ask.... ;) I figured there was, if I really checked it > out. Finally I found an obscure research paper which mentioned a study on > rabbits in which they used manganese and taurine to get tjs which were stuck > open to close. (Like you, I have a habit of losing my sites and haven't > seen the study since! I was so sure I had saved it, but I had to "restore" > my operating system just after, and I suspect it didn't restore that site!) > > > I am very cautious in taking the manganese and taurine and only use it once > or twice a week, often even less if I am not going anywhere the emfs are > high. But it DOES seem to make a difference with my calcium leaking > problem! I used to have instant reactions (esp autonomic nervous system > symptoms) around emfs. That has been much better with the manganese and > taurine. You copied an excerpt from a site which mentions tjs NOT > opening--some of mine don't appear to close and that is what I suspect the > manganese is working to do--close the tjs. My understanding (not that itis > necessarily always correct!) is that, due to the tjs *not* closing, calcium > floods the cell and I do not have the ability to maintain proper electrolyte > balance, especially in the presence of emfs, which are known to affect tj > permeability. I have read that this gene, which is responsible for allowing > this celiac tj/BBB damage (referred to as the tight junction > permeability gene--sorry Bill Bruno, I still haven't had time to look into > its true genetic description), is thought to be present in 22 to 24% of the > population. So that *could* (not necessarily, but potentially) mean that > many people could have leaky tjs which *could* react like this, or in a > similarly abnormal way. > > Hope to read all your interesting sites soon! Take care, Snoshoe, > Diane > > --- On Sat, 3/27/10, snoshoe_2 <[hidden email]<snoshoe_2%40yahoo.com>> > wrote: > > From: snoshoe_2 <[hidden email] <snoshoe_2%40yahoo.com>> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Neurotransmitters/dopamine etc. > To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 8:04 PM > > > > Here's one, I just found, haven't even read it through, but it looks > promising, info. wise - > > Electromagnetic fields, the modulation of brain tissue functions > A possible paradigm shift in biology > www.emrpolicy. org/science/ forum/adey_ encneuro_ emfs.pdf > > It looks, at least on this end, like some of my links got messed up in > sending, adding extra spaces, etc., but I've been getting added A's showing > up in my messages lately too, so maybe it's a yahoo glitch? Sorry about > that. > > I think the calcium, and magnesium will be what is more important in > cellular wall integrity, where it is the potassium/sodium in and out flow > through the cells that is also part of our problems - > > "Voltage-gated sodium channels open (activate) when the membrane is > depolarized and close on repolarization (deactivate) but also on continuing > depolarization by a process termed inactivation, which leaves the channel > refractory, i.e., unable to open again for a period of time. In the > "classical" fast inactivation, this time is of the millisecond range, butit > can last much longer (up to seconds) in a different slow type of > inactivation. " http://www.ionchann els.org/showabst ract.php? > pmid=16183913 > > ~ Snoshoe > > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, "furstc0404" <furstc0404@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Evie > > > > Have you got any references about the calcium flux in and out of cells?I > thought ion channels would be affected somehow, but > > have not got the specifics and relationship with microwaves. > > > > Thanks > > > > Kooky > > > > > > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Evie <evie15422@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi, Snoshoe, > > >  > > > Sorry to read in your previous posts how bad you have been feeling > lately. We would never know it had you not said; your (re)searchesÂare > impeccable. :) You are a fount of great info! ;) > > >  > > > I was just discussing this with Stephen here earlier today: > > > "6. Exposure to microwaves and other EMFs is known to abnormally affect > calcium flux into and out of cells. This is also an abnormality found in > people with CFS/ME." > > >  > > > So, Stephen! Here is a good website to read on that subject! And > it is put much better than I could explain, I am sure. > > > > > > Take care, Snoshoe; I so appreciate your great ability to ferret info > (and I too regularly lose track of my websites, so I can relate to your > frustration lol), > > > Diane > > > > > > --- On Sat, 3/27/10, snoshoe_2 <snoshoe_2@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > From: snoshoe_2 <snoshoe_2@> > > > Subject: [eSens] Neurotransmitters/ dopamine etc. > > > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com > > > Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 5:34 PM > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Microwaves in regular people increase certain neurotransmitters in a > way similar to people doing cocaine. That's why you find so many people > literally addicted to the gadgets. They truly are experiencing "drug" > withdrawal symptoms when they can't have their regular "fix" from their > radiation, and start getting a little nuts. > > > > > > It really doesn't matter whether the source is from an electrical, or > chemical reaction, things with the "right" frequencies will cause the same > effects in the body. Unfortunately for us, choosing to avoid the electrical > is increasingly difficult, so finding the mitigators to said frequencies, > ie, extra supplements to repair weak areas, and replace ionized out > elements, along with reducing exposure will become ever increasingly > important. > > > > > > Par for the course for me, I lost a page I was sure I'd just saved, > just a while ago, connecting interactions of I think dopamine, and MAO. It > was interesting, the MAO B connection, since that plays into migraines as > well. Here's the MAO part: > > > > > > "Generally, Monoamine Oxidase A (MAOA) prefers to metabolize > norepinephrine (NE), serotonin (5-HT), and Dopamine (DA) (and other less > clinically relevant chemicals). Monoamine Oxidase B, on the other hand, > prefers to metabolize Dopamine (DA) (and other less clinically relevant > chemicals).The differences between the substrate selectivity of the two > enzymes are utilized clinically when treating specific disorders: Monoamine > Oxidase A inhibitors have been used in the treatment of depression, and > Monoamine Oxidase B inhibitors are used in the treatment of Parkinson's > Disease." http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Monoamine_ oxidase_B > > > > > > http://www.utexas. edu/research/ asrec/demoasrec. html Here's a quick > little example on neurotransmitters. > > > > > > http://www.drugabus e.gov/NIDA_ notes/NNvol21N4/ Impacts.html -more > detailed > > > > > > testing dopamine levels, and natural enhancement - http://www.integrativepsychiatry. net/dopamine. html > > > > > > On this next one, I'd like to know how they think the "microwaves are > 'non-thermally' affecting", since it is heating things up and increasing > vibration rates. Although the body does try to convert microwave into > infrared, 'maybe' the heat is decreased by the time it hits these items, or > the electrical effect happens so quickly, the heat hasn't hit yet? > > > > > > from: http://lifeenergies .com/ -- > > > ... "Reports of headache are consistent with the fact that microwaves > non-thermally affect the dopamine-opiate system of the brain and increase > the permeability of the blood-brain barrier. The reports of sleep > disruption, on the other hand, are consistent with the effect of the > radiation on rapid eye movement (REM) sleep and on melatonin levels, while > memory impairment is consistent with the finding that microwave radiation > targets the hippocampus. > > > > > > U of Toronto ... heightened probability of cracking up your car > persists for up to 15 minutes after completing a cellphone call".... > > > > > > ------- > > > nextup.org/pdf/ PrPaulDoyonAreMi crowavesAtheMajo rCausalFactorInC > fsME.pdf - > > > from good 4 page article > > > > > > > 5. Microwaves have been shown in studies to induce Oxidative Damage > leading to a decrease in Super Oxide Dimutase (SOD), catalase, glutathione, > CoQ10 along with evidence of increased byproducts of oxidative stress to > cell membranes, MDA. Oxidative damage has been found to be a major factorin > CFS and people with CFS consistently found to be depleted in the above > body's natural antioxidents. > > > > > > 6. Exposure to microwaves and other EMFs is known to abnormally affect > calcium flux into and out of cells. This is also an abnormality found in > people with CFS/ME. > > > > > > 16. Dopamine levels are also known to be affected by microwave > radiation exposure. PWC have been found to often have low levels of dopamine > with decreased dopamine being linked to depression, a symptoms also foundin > PWC. > > > > > > 17. Decreases in the hormone Acetylcholine - known to be induced by > exposure to EMR - is an abnormality also found in CFS/ME. > > > (Now here we are back to nicotine, which binds into the acetylcholine > receptors, which I mentioned earlier, made me think we could use more of > that, -ac, not nicotine, lol- but perhaps nicotine binding there helps > reduce or stop some of the emf from acting on that part of the system as > rapidly. Perhaps emfs act on acetylcholine in the system in a slower way > than say being exposed to certain nerve gases, which in toxic amounts > besides seizuring can kill ya quick, they eat up the ac. ) > > > > > > Austrailia site, maybe find resources for those of you there. Some of > emf listings - http://www.livingno w.com.au/ component/ search/electroma > gnetic%2Bsea/ %252F?ordering= newest&searchphr ase=all&limit= 20&areas[0]= > content > > > > > > ~ Snoshoe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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