Need help, input, links, ideas/ feedback

Our city council voted unanimously to put Wifi in the downtown core
and they plan to eventually make it city wide. I live in a small town
of about 4000 people, with already 70 towers and 447 antennaes in an 8
mile radius. I gave a resolute and passionate speech addressing the
health concerns of wifi. The Industry rep claims "there are NO adverse
health effects" The council hailed this guy as a superhero! They
postponed the vote two weeks earlier to research the health effects
(after a few of us sent letters) during which time I sent them lots of
info links etc only to hear them say. "We researched the health
effects and we believe according to the WHO (world health org) that
the effects are minimal so we say yes.

I felt so angry and humiliated! I am preparing a counter response
letter to the council and want to compile a huge list of links that
clearly acknowledge the adverse health effects of wireless. Maybe I'll
ask to see both the industry proof there are NO health affects. Ask
for the research the council did and the comments from WHO that
convinced him.


Here are the stats on the wifi from the city council minutes:

Device proposed is 2.4 gigahertz; 802.11B Wi-Fi
200 meter range per unit
Units will be tied together creating lesser amount of transmit power
Fewer number of radios needed and units are inexpensive, therefore
more cost effective
Extra units can be added when coverage fails more easily
Many studies have been conducted and research is available to review
and the conclusion is there are no adverse health affects
2.4 gigahertz transmit power is 100 million amps; gaining of 3
decibels from the antenna


Honestly I cannot help but to fight this. I think my whole life I have
been preparing for this awareness based on my experiences and just who
I am. Its been a year now since I discovered that electricity and
magnetic fields were harming my immune system. I am stronger and ready
to begin educating. Being shot down at the city council meeting was a
tough initiation.

Any feedback or ideas or your best links/stories esp about RF/ emr/
wifi would be most appreciated.
THank you all, Sandi

We've been fighting a more limited plan in our city.

A personal meeting with the guy in charge of the plan seems to
have at least slowed it down. It was helpful to find out his motivations
for going forward and who's pushing on him.

He was open to the idea that the FCC protects us no better than
FEMA after Katrina. He was impressed by WHO, but bioInitiative is
a useful counter, after mentioning the way industry infiltrates the
official bodies.

I also think in this case it helped to say 'go ahead and install it in
the downtown library that's right next to a cell tower anyway. We're
against
it, it may hurt people, but we'll give in on it because we can't use that
library anyway.'

Writing letters to the newspaper's editorial page may help.

Or city has quite liberal politics so it might be different somewhere else.
I do think they should consider that if they've heard of bioInitiative, the
could get sued for knowingly hurting people.

We're asking for 'safe zones' which I think puts them in a bind in terms of
legal liability--if they know other areas are not safe, then they are
negligent perhaps.

It occurred to me recently, that even if it was suddenly obvious to
officials tomorrow
that cell phone towers were deadly, it's probably not in the public's
interest to
create a panic. But certainly people should have the right to avoid
microwaves if
they choose, and for sensitive people the choice is obvious. In the spirit
of
the American's with Disabilities Act we should be able to do what we need to
without
getting zapped, including voting, petitioning the government for redress,
equal access,
equal treatment.

I thought someone on our side made a great point to the City Council, about
how the
city takes action when someone complains about a barking dog. Rightly so,
as that
can drive someone crazy. For EHS people, a transmitter is more like a fire
alarm that
never turns off. If they believe in equality, and in individual rights, how
can they address
the dog but not the transmitter?

Good luck...

On Nov 22, 2007 9:03 PM, sandimaurer <[hidden email]> wrote:


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In a message dated 11/23/2007 4:56:39 PM GMT Standard Time,
[hidden email] writes:

I wish you were in my neighborhood so we could work together. I am tired of
fighting by myself and would like some support and help.



Perhaps you are less alone than you think if science believes we can change
the outcomes of our universe just by observing then your thoughts and deeds
are in concert with mine evan though we are miles and minutes apart do, it is
better to light a single candle in the dark than to bang your face on the
cold pillar of ignorance, we are never alone !

Paul uk






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Thanks everyone for your feedback I did not know about the BioInitiave
and it is just the kind of info I was looking for. Thank you!
Thanks for the encouragement and although I was the only one to speak up
I have the determination and the passion to educate and persevere in a
climate of serious denial. We must know we are never alone! We have
each other and we have an enormous amount of information and easy access
to it through the internet. I should've consulted this group two weeks
ago! If I had I might of averted their decision. I will carry on. Sandi

The European Environment Agency, the HIGHEST SCIENTIFIC BODY WITHIN
THE EU, has stated that the WHO guidelines are thousands of times too
lenient.

QED as far as I'm concerned.

By the way, on the same sort of subject as barking dogs, the
frequencies going through my ears and body as a result of the
electrical set up near me is like having an upstairs neighbour that
is permanently doing the hoovering.

 

The most --- In [hidden email], "Bill Bruno" <wbruno@...>
wrote:
>
> We've been fighting a more limited plan in our city.
>
> A personal meeting with the guy in charge of the plan seems to
> have at least slowed it down. It was helpful to find out his
motivations
> for going forward and who's pushing on him.
>
> He was open to the idea that the FCC protects us no better than
> FEMA after Katrina. He was impressed by WHO, but bioInitiative is
> a useful counter, after mentioning the way industry infiltrates the
> official bodies.
>
> I also think in this case it helped to say 'go ahead and install it
in
> the downtown library that's right next to a cell tower anyway.  
We're
> against
> it, it may hurt people, but we'll give in on it because we can't
use that
> library anyway.'
>
> Writing letters to the newspaper's editorial page may help.
>
> Or city has quite liberal politics so it might be different
somewhere else.
> I do think they should consider that if they've heard of
bioInitiative, the
> could get sued for knowingly hurting people.
>
> We're asking for 'safe zones' which I think puts them in a bind in
terms of
> legal liability--if they know other areas are not safe, then they
are
> negligent perhaps.
>
> It occurred to me recently, that even if it was suddenly obvious to
> officials tomorrow
> that cell phone towers were deadly, it's probably not in the
public's
> interest to
> create a panic. But certainly people should have the right to avoid
> microwaves if
> they choose, and for sensitive people the choice is obvious. In
the spirit
> of
> the American's with Disabilities Act we should be able to do what
we need to
> without
> getting zapped, including voting, petitioning the government for
redress,
> equal access,
> equal treatment.
>
> I thought someone on our side made a great point to the City
Council, about
> how the
> city takes action when someone complains about a barking dog.  
Rightly so,
> as that
> can drive someone crazy. For EHS people, a transmitter is more
like a fire
> alarm that
> never turns off. If they believe in equality, and in individual
rights, how
> can they address
> the dog but not the transmitter?
>
> Good luck...
>
> On Nov 22, 2007 9:03 PM, sandimaurer <jspirit@...> wrote:
>
> > Our city council voted unanimously to put Wifi in the downtown
core
> > and they plan to eventually make it city wide. I live in a small
town
> > of about 4000 people, with already 70 towers and 447 antennaes in
an 8
> > mile radius. I gave a resolute and passionate speech addressing
the
> > health concerns of wifi. The Industry rep claims "there are NO
adverse
> > health effects" The council hailed this guy as a superhero! They
> > postponed the vote two weeks earlier to research the health
effects
> > (after a few of us sent letters) during which time I sent them
lots of
> > info links etc only to hear them say. "We researched the health
> > effects and we believe according to the WHO (world health org)
that
> > the effects are minimal so we say yes.
> >
> > I felt so angry and humiliated! I am preparing a counter response
> > letter to the council and want to compile a huge list of links
that
> > clearly acknowledge the adverse health effects of wireless. Maybe
I'll
> > ask to see both the industry proof there are NO health affects.
Ask
> > for the research the council did and the comments from WHO that
> > convinced him.
> >
> > Here are the stats on the wifi from the city council minutes:
> >
> > Device proposed is 2.4 gigahertz; 802.11B Wi-Fi
> > 200 meter range per unit
> > Units will be tied together creating lesser amount of transmit
power
> > Fewer number of radios needed and units are inexpensive, therefore
> > more cost effective
> > Extra units can be added when coverage fails more easily
> > Many studies have been conducted and research is available to
review
> > and the conclusion is there are no adverse health affects
> > 2.4 gigahertz transmit power is 100 million amps; gaining of 3
> > decibels from the antenna
> >
> > Honestly I cannot help but to fight this. I think my whole life I
have
> > been preparing for this awareness based on my experiences and
just who
> > I am. Its been a year now since I discovered that electricity and
> > magnetic fields were harming my immune system. I am stronger and
ready
> > to begin educating. Being shot down at the city council meeting
was a
> > tough initiation.
> >
> > Any feedback or ideas or your best links/stories esp about RF/
emr/
> > wifi would be most appreciated.
> > THank you all, Sandi
> >
> >  
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Can you send me a link/s to that info?
Curious, what does QED satnd for?
thanks, sandi



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Can you send me a link/s to that info?
Curious, what does QED stand for?
thanks, sandi



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Can anyone tell me how many times higher is .08m/Wcm2 to .8u/Wcm2?
Thanks, Sandi

1 mW/cm2 = 1000 uW/cm2
so
0.08 mW/cm2 = 80 uW/cm2 = 800,000 uW/m2 = 17.367 V/m

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sandi Maurer" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 17:57
Subject: [eSens] Re: Need help, input, links, ideas/ feedback


> Can anyone tell me how many times higher is .08m/Wcm2 to .8u/Wcm2?
> Thanks, Sandi
>
>

Charles:

Is that 17.367 volts per meter that the body then conducts, as in Body
electric field levels?




1 mW/cm2 = 1000 uW/cm2
so
0.08 mW/cm2 = 80 uW/cm2 = 800,000 uW/m2 = 17.367 V/m

Yes, but a body voltage measurement would not detect the microwaves
because the frequency is too high (the voltage changes up and down too
fast).

In fact body voltage is measured in volts, and field strength in
volts/meter.
The reason I wish people would quit measuring body voltage is because
it is biologically meaningless unless you know how many meters you
have to go before the voltage changes. Inside a Faraday cage you can be at
10 kiloVolts
just fine because the voltage is uniform so volts/meter is 0.

Bill

On Nov 28, 2007 1:19 PM, Sandi Maurer <[hidden email]> wrote:


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The body will absorb it.
And you may get sick.

Remember at the swiss UMTS study (ETH) people were exposed to 10 V/m.
4 persons reported heavy symptoms (out of the 117).

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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