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Hi All! I have figured out what is going on here at my house and why I can't tolerate it any longer. The cell antennas have increased power. They had this BIONIC PHONE they released on Thursday. They had rolled out 4 G last year so it isn't the 4 G that has made it worse. I am sure it something to do with this Verizon BIONIC PHONE. The desert park I sleep in is radiated as well now so that was my Safe Haven. I just can't escape it. I am terrified of this cell industry at this point. They just keep increasing without any concern about human health. Can someone please explain this bionic phone. Can I get info from the FCC? Desperate in Arizona! Loni [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Loni, sorry to hear that things are getting worse in your area.
The Bionic phone is a "4G LTE" phone. 4G LTE is a newer, faster kind of 4G, and may be what's causing you problems. So it may not be an increase in cell tower POWER, but 4G LTE is a difference frequency (700 Mhz) and has faster bandwidth. Marc > Hi All! > > I have figured out what is going on here at my house and why I can't tolerate it any longer. > > The cell antennas have increased power. They had this BIONIC PHONE they released on Thursday. |
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>4G LTE is a difference frequency (700 Mhz) and has faster bandwidth.
Thanks for responding Marc! Could you explain that to me. I don't understand the technical stuff. Is 700 MHz something new and more harmful? What is bandwidth? Loni --- On Sun, 9/11/11, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Need Help! To: [hidden email] Date: Sunday, September 11, 2011, 11:23 AM Loni, sorry to hear that things are getting worse in your area. The Bionic phone is a "4G LTE" phone. 4G LTE is a newer, faster kind of 4G, and may be what's causing you problems. So it may not be an increase in cell tower POWER, but 4G LTE is a difference frequency (700 Mhz) and has faster bandwidth. Marc > Hi All! > > I have figured out what is going on here at my house and why I can't tolerate it any longer. > > The cell antennas have increased power. They had this BIONIC PHONE they released on Thursday. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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> Is 700 MHz something new and more harmful? What is bandwidth?
Older Verizon cellphones operated at 800 Mhz or 1900 Mhz. A current 4G technology, 4G WiMax, operates at 2500 Mhz. 4G LTE operates at 700 Mhz. Note that the lower the frequency, the better these frequencies will penetrate walls. As for bandwidth, this is the speed at which the data can be transmitted. The faster the speed, the quicker it is to load a webpage, download a file, etc. Generally I have found that higher speeds bring on more ES symptoms. And I observe this with my hard-wired DSL connection, not wireless. Real-world speed tests show 4G LTE as around 3 times faster than 4G WiMax. So this new 4G LTE penetrates walls better and transmits data more quickly. So it wouldn't surprise me that this would be harder for ES folks to tolerate. Marc |
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Bingo! You have solved this Marc! That's exactly what's going on! You are a genius!
Ya know I put the window tint up a few years ago and I have been ok during the day & all of the sudden this phone comes out and I am having life threatening reactions and can't live in my house AGAIN! I'm so tired of this Marc as you can probably relate. Ok... I have some more questions. Why is it more tolerable at night for me here and life threatening reactions during the day? Is there anything I can do? I want to scream about this. Complain to Verizon, congress, FCC! Do you think it will do any good? I am putting this house up for sale but this could be a long haul. Loni --- On Sun, 9/11/11, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Need Help! To: [hidden email] Date: Sunday, September 11, 2011, 12:45 PM > Is 700 MHz something new and more harmful? What is bandwidth? Older Verizon cellphones operated at 800 Mhz or 1900 Mhz. A current 4G technology, 4G WiMax, operates at 2500 Mhz. 4G LTE operates at 700 Mhz. Note that the lower the frequency, the better these frequencies will penetrate walls. As for bandwidth, this is the speed at which the data can be transmitted. The faster the speed, the quicker it is to load a webpage, download a file, etc. Generally I have found that higher speeds bring on more ES symptoms. And I observe this with my hard-wired DSL connection, not wireless. Real-world speed tests show 4G LTE as around 3 times faster than 4G WiMax. So this new 4G LTE penetrates walls better and transmits data more quickly. So it wouldn't surprise me that this would be harder for ES folks to tolerate. Marc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Wow! Isn't that swell. Thanks for that lesson Marc.
--- On Sun, 9/11/11, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Need Help! To: [hidden email] Date: Sunday, September 11, 2011, 3:45 PM > Is 700 MHz something new and more harmful? What is bandwidth? Older Verizon cellphones operated at 800 Mhz or 1900 Mhz. A current 4G technology, 4G WiMax, operates at 2500 Mhz. 4G LTE operates at 700 Mhz. Note that the lower the frequency, the better these frequencies will penetrate walls. As for bandwidth, this is the speed at which the data can be transmitted. The faster the speed, the quicker it is to load a webpage, download a file, etc. Generally I have found that higher speeds bring on more ES symptoms. And I observe this with my hard-wired DSL connection, not wireless. Real-world speed tests show 4G LTE as around 3 times faster than 4G WiMax. So this new 4G LTE penetrates walls better and transmits data more quickly. So it wouldn't surprise me that this would be harder for ES folks to tolerate. Marc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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> Why is it more tolerable at night for me here and life
> threatening reactions during the day? Yes, that doesn't make much sense, unless it's just a matter of more people using their cellphones more during the day, or people's air conditioners are working harder during the day (which just adds to the amount of EMF and EMF noise that you have to put up with). Marc |
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oh hmm a/c never thought of that. But wouldn't have that bothered me before as well?
Another engineer said that it could be useage is down at night as well so not as much radiation. I think that could be it. The morning of Labor Day it was not hurting me but then in the afternoon it was excrutiating pain. But most days are very bad and most nights are better, more tolerable. Not life threatening reactions. Loni --- On Sun, 9/11/11, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Need Help! To: [hidden email] Date: Sunday, September 11, 2011, 8:02 PM > Why is it more tolerable at night for me here and life > threatening reactions during the day? Yes, that doesn't make much sense, unless it's just a matter of more people using their cellphones more during the day, or people's air conditioners are working harder during the day (which just adds to the amount of EMF and EMF noise that you have to put up with). Marc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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I know! I learn so much from these knowledgeable people on this site! I'm so thankful! LOni
--- On Sun, 9/11/11, pamela clemonts <[hidden email]> wrote: From: pamela clemonts <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Need Help! To: [hidden email] Date: Sunday, September 11, 2011, 7:44 PM Wow! Isn't that swell. Thanks for that lesson Marc. --- On Sun, 9/11/11, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Need Help! To: [hidden email] Date: Sunday, September 11, 2011, 3:45 PM > Is 700 MHz something new and more harmful? What is bandwidth? Older Verizon cellphones operated at 800 Mhz or 1900 Mhz. A current 4G technology, 4G WiMax, operates at 2500 Mhz. 4G LTE operates at 700 Mhz. Note that the lower the frequency, the better these frequencies will penetrate walls. As for bandwidth, this is the speed at which the data can be transmitted. The faster the speed, the quicker it is to load a webpage, download a file, etc. Generally I have found that higher speeds bring on more ES symptoms. And I observe this with my hard-wired DSL connection, not wireless. Real-world speed tests show 4G LTE as around 3 times faster than 4G WiMax. So this new 4G LTE penetrates walls better and transmits data more quickly. So it wouldn't surprise me that this would be harder for ES folks to tolerate. Marc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Marc,
Many of us didn't know this. Thanks! So, 4G LTE is a bandwidth of 8500 Mhz through the air or is that download speed for computers & cellphones? 700 Mhz This explains why FM bothers me now. Kathy - <[hidden email]> wrote: Re: [eSens] Need Help! Wow! Isn't that swell. Thanks for that lesson Marc. --- On Sun, 9/11/11, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Need Help! > Is 700 MHz something new and more harmful? What is bandwidth? Older Verizon cellphones operated at 800 Mhz or 1900 Mhz. A current 4G technology, 4G WiMax, operates at 2500 Mhz. 4G LTE operates at 700 Mhz. Note that the lower the frequency, the better these frequencies will penetrate walls. As for bandwidth, this is the speed at which the data can be transmitted. The faster the speed, the quicker it is to load a webpage, download a file, etc. Generally I have found that higher speeds bring on more ES symptoms. And I observe this with my hard-wired DSL connection, not wireless. Real-world speed tests show 4G LTE as around 3 times faster than 4G WiMax. So this new 4G LTE penetrates walls better and transmits data more quickly. So it wouldn't surprise me that this would be harder for ES folks to tolerate. Marc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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> So it may not be an increase in cell tower POWER, but 4G LTE is > a difference frequency (700 Mhz) and has faster bandwidth. > This is going to be a coming problem for us. The lower frequencies just vacated by the analog TV stations, is now going to be used for cell phone and internet services. Because the lower frequency gives longer range, you won't just be troubled by the neighbors within a mile, (ignoring the towers for now), but soon everybody within 10-20 miles will bother you/us. Also lower frequencies are harder to shield, and go through walls easier. I'm sorry to hear your location is getting worse Loni, I'm too far away to offer much help. Stewart |
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> Many of us didn't know this. Thanks!
I didn't know it either, actually... I just did some Google searches after Loni's message, to see what exactly might have changed. > So, 4G LTE is a bandwidth of 8500 Mhz through the air or is that > download speed for computers & cellphones? The one report I saw on bandwidth said that they were getting around 12 Mbit/sec download speeds when using 4G LTE, which is about 8 times faster than my hard-wired DSL connection (1.5 Mbit/sec). Presumably the data "in the air" is pulse-modulated onto the 700 Mhz carrier wave. But there would need to be more pulses to support the faster download speeds. Marc |
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Overhere in Europe LTE is also starting:
4G or LTE will be used on: 450 MHz 700MHz 800MHz 900MHz 1500MHz 1800MHz 2000MHz 2300MHZ 2600MHz. Brussels wants these frequency bands mad free for LTE. The point is, that when they statred 3G or UMTS, the providers dreamed of a golden future, because everybody should be willing to use all those nice applications. However, the promised applications did not arrive and 3G proved to be too slow. Now the providers are dreaming again for a golden future, with all the apps on the iPads, Blackberrys, iPhones and other stuff. They do not realize, that most people just want to chat, send some SMS and foto's. Their budget is limited. The providers now have found out, that their networks can nor handle all the traffic of the masses of data, needed for these applications. So they are mad about people who use apps for phoning for free via the internet, with SMS also. They now have raised the prices of subscription rates, and limited the downloads. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton ----- Original Message ----- From: Marc Martin To: [hidden email] Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 7:07 PM Subject: Re: [eSens] Need Help! > Many of us didn't know this. Thanks! I didn't know it either, actually... I just did some Google searches after Loni's message, to see what exactly might have changed. > So, 4G LTE is a bandwidth of 8500 Mhz through the air or is that > download speed for computers & cellphones? The one report I saw on bandwidth said that they were getting around 12 Mbit/sec download speeds when using 4G LTE, which is about 8 times faster than my hard-wired DSL connection (1.5 Mbit/sec). Presumably the data "in the air" is pulse-modulated onto the 700 Mhz carrier wave. But there would need to be more pulses to support the faster download speeds. Marc ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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> the providers dreamed of a golden future, because everybody should be
> willing to use all those nice applications. Yes, I think the cellphone companies want everyone to be watching high definition movies on their iPads... but I doubt that very many people are interested in doing that. Which is a *good* thing for us! Marc |
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I fear this intro - I knoe as a long term esser that the lower frequencies
are the killer for me ! the plasma tv from hell has gone but that did it for me !!! puk In a message dated 12/09/2011 18:21:37 GMT Daylight Time, [hidden email] writes: Overhere in Europe LTE is also starting: 4G or LTE will be used on: 450 MHz 700MHz 800MHz 900MHz 1500MHz 1800MHz 2000MHz 2300MHZ 2600MHz. Brussels wants these frequency bands mad free for LTE. The point is, that when they statred 3G or UMTS, the providers dreamed of a golden future, because everybody should be willing to use all those nice applications. However, the promised applications did not arrive and 3G proved to be too slow. Now the providers are dreaming again for a golden future, with all the apps on the iPads, Blackberrys, iPhones and other stuff. They do not realize, that most people just want to chat, send some SMS and foto's. Their budget is limited. The providers now have found out, that their networks can nor handle all the traffic of the masses of data, needed for these applications. So they are mad about people who use apps for phoning for free via the internet, with SMS also. They now have raised the prices of subscription rates, and limited the downloads. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton ----- Original Message ----- From: Marc Martin To: _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 7:07 PM Subject: Re: [eSens] Need Help! > Many of us didn't know this. Thanks! I didn't know it either, actually... I just did some Google searches after Loni's message, to see what exactly might have changed. > So, 4G LTE is a bandwidth of 8500 Mhz through the air or is that > download speed for computers & cellphones? The one report I saw on bandwidth said that they were getting around 12 Mbit/sec download speeds when using 4G LTE, which is about 8 times faster than my hard-wired DSL connection (1.5 Mbit/sec). Presumably the data "in the air" is pulse-modulated onto the 700 Mhz carrier wave. But there would need to be more pulses to support the faster download speeds. Marc ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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I can tell you that it is terrifying. I cannot get away from this horrific radiation here. I just don't know where there will be a safe place as this technology spreads all over! I'm trying to find a safe spot a the canyon I sleep and I've tried several spots to no avail. So now I am fried during the day and fried at night as well. I want to blow up these antennas.
We are in big trouble and we need to ban together and do something. Loni --- On Mon, 9/12/11, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote: From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Need Help! To: [hidden email] Date: Monday, September 12, 2011, 11:04 AM I fear this intro - I knoe as a long term esser that the lower frequencies are the killer for me ! the plasma tv from hell has gone but that did it for me !!! puk In a message dated 12/09/2011 18:21:37 GMT Daylight Time, [hidden email] writes: Overhere in Europe LTE is also starting: 4G or LTE will be used on: 450 MHz 700MHz 800MHz 900MHz 1500MHz 1800MHz 2000MHz 2300MHZ 2600MHz. Brussels wants these frequency bands mad free for LTE. The point is, that when they statred 3G or UMTS, the providers dreamed of a golden future, because everybody should be willing to use all those nice applications. However, the promised applications did not arrive and 3G proved to be too slow. Now the providers are dreaming again for a golden future, with all the apps on the iPads, Blackberrys, iPhones and other stuff. They do not realize, that most people just want to chat, send some SMS and foto's. Their budget is limited. The providers now have found out, that their networks can nor handle all the traffic of the masses of data, needed for these applications. So they are mad about people who use apps for phoning for free via the internet, with SMS also. They now have raised the prices of subscription rates, and limited the downloads. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton ----- Original Message ----- From: Marc Martin To: _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 7:07 PM Subject: Re: [eSens] Need Help! > Many of us didn't know this. Thanks! I didn't know it either, actually... I just did some Google searches after Loni's message, to see what exactly might have changed. > So, 4G LTE is a bandwidth of 8500 Mhz through the air or is that > download speed for computers & cellphones? The one report I saw on bandwidth said that they were getting around 12 Mbit/sec download speeds when using 4G LTE, which is about 8 times faster than my hard-wired DSL connection (1.5 Mbit/sec). Presumably the data "in the air" is pulse-modulated onto the 700 Mhz carrier wave. But there would need to be more pulses to support the faster download speeds. Marc ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Loni,
I feel the same way! I am frying 24/7 since 4G got rolling here & new towers in June. I have no where to get relief either. Hardwired neighborhoods would take a while Makes it even harder when your spouse doesn't feel it. Missouri Kathy : Loni <[hidden email] wrote: Re: [eSens] Need Help! I can tell you that it is terrifying. I cannot get away from this horrific radiation here. I just don't know where there will be a safe place as this technology spreads all over! I'm trying to find a safe spot a the canyon I sleep and I've tried several spots to no avail. So now I am fried during the day and fried at night as well. I want to blow up these antennas. We are in big trouble and we need to ban together and do something. Loni --- On Mon, 9/12/11, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote: From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Need Help! To: [hidden email] Date: Monday, September 12, 2011, 11:04 AM I fear this intro - I knoe as a long term esser that the lower frequencies are the killer for me ! the plasma tv from hell has gone but that did it for me !!! puk In a message dated 12/09/2011 18:21:37 GMT Daylight Time, [hidden email] writes: Overhere in Europe LTE is also starting: 4G or LTE will be used on: 450 MHz 700MHz 800MHz 900MHz 1500MHz 1800MHz 2000MHz 2300MHZ 2600MHz. Brussels wants these frequency bands mad free for LTE. The point is, that when they statred 3G or UMTS, the providers dreamed of a golden future, because everybody should be willing to use all those nice applications. However, the promised applications did not arrive and 3G proved to be too slow. Now the providers are dreaming again for a golden future, with all the apps on the iPads, Blackberrys, iPhones and other stuff. They do not realize, that most people just want to chat, send some SMS and foto's. Their budget is limited. The providers now have found out, that their networks can nor handle all the traffic of the masses of data, needed for these applications. So they are mad about people who use apps for phoning for free via the internet, with SMS also. They now have raised the prices of subscription rates, and limited the downloads. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton ----- Original Message ----- From: Marc Martin To: _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 7:07 PM Subject: Re: [eSens] Need Help! > Many of us didn't know this. Thanks! I didn't know it either, actually... I just did some Google searches after Loni's message, to see what exactly might have changed. > So, 4G LTE is a bandwidth of 8500 Mhz through the air or is that > download speed for computers & cellphones? The one report I saw on bandwidth said that they were getting around 12 Mbit/sec download speeds when using 4G LTE, which is about 8 times faster than my hard-wired DSL connection (1.5 Mbit/sec). Presumably the data "in the air" is pulse-modulated onto the 700 Mhz carrier wave. But there would need to be more pulses to support the faster download speeds. Marc ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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450 MHZ would even penetrate easier correct?
What is mad free? Loni --- On Mon, 9/12/11, charles <[hidden email]> wrote: From: charles <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Need Help! To: [hidden email] Date: Monday, September 12, 2011, 10:22 AM Overhere in Europe LTE is also starting: 4G or LTE will be used on: 450 MHz 700MHz 800MHz 900MHz 1500MHz 1800MHz 2000MHz 2300MHZ 2600MHz. Brussels wants these frequency bands mad free for LTE. The point is, that when they statred 3G or UMTS, the providers dreamed of a golden future, because everybody should be willing to use all those nice applications. However, the promised applications did not arrive and 3G proved to be too slow. Now the providers are dreaming again for a golden future, with all the apps on the iPads, Blackberrys, iPhones and other stuff. They do not realize, that most people just want to chat, send some SMS and foto's. Their budget is limited. The providers now have found out, that their networks can nor handle all the traffic of the masses of data, needed for these applications. So they are mad about people who use apps for phoning for free via the internet, with SMS also. They now have raised the prices of subscription rates, and limited the downloads. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton ----- Original Message ----- From: Marc Martin To: [hidden email] Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 7:07 PM Subject: Re: [eSens] Need Help! > Many of us didn't know this. Thanks! I didn't know it either, actually... I just did some Google searches after Loni's message, to see what exactly might have changed. > So, 4G LTE is a bandwidth of 8500 Mhz through the air or is that > download speed for computers & cellphones? The one report I saw on bandwidth said that they were getting around 12 Mbit/sec download speeds when using 4G LTE, which is about 8 times faster than my hard-wired DSL connection (1.5 Mbit/sec). Presumably the data "in the air" is pulse-modulated onto the 700 Mhz carrier wave. But there would need to be more pulses to support the faster download speeds. Marc ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Marc Martin wrote:
> Presumably the data "in the air" is pulse-modulated onto > the 700 Mhz carrier wave. But there would need to be more > pulses to support the faster download speeds. > > The lower frequencies do not support faster bandwidth than higher frequencies. Remember the computer processor has risen in frequency to get faster. The only way for the lower frequencies to have more bandwidth, is to use "spread spectrum", or multiple frequencies at the same time. Multiple communication pathways. Stewart |
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> 450 MHZ would even penetrate easier correct? > Absolutely. Lower frequencies penetrate water bodies (trees, leaves, people) as well as walls, and thicker metal sheeting. Stewart |
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