My summary understanding about electrical sensativity

I just wanted to make sure that I had the same understanding as everyone else. I
understand that electricity as we know it through everyday use comes from:

Coal - coal burning is the easiest and least expensive form of electricity - Substation
Water - hydrodams provide electricity from water pressure flowing over turbines -
Substation
Wind - wind farms collect electricity from wind and store to substation
Fussion - nuclear processing of elecgtromagnetic elements producing output to
substation.

The manufacturing, or the processing of raw material to electrical output, has emissions
from each of these sources. Those emissions from production, the emssions from the
usage of electrical equipment with high heat emission, the exposure to frequency
emisions from WAVE, WIFI, SONAR, HAARP....are all sources of electrical sensativity
symptoms.

So to give you a list of all the possible things that could harm a human body, by way of
neuro toxin EMF or Electrical EMF or Laser output EMF or VIRAL exposure...this list has it
all. You will most likely find what is ailing you here (specific to your electrical sensativity
issues and complaints) http://research.wustl.edu/Export/Summary%20List%20Revised.htm

If you want to know how Infra red and spectroscopy can act as a catalyst toelements such
as potassium magnesium fluoride and magnesium flouride, the US military putout an
abstract in 1964 as to how to effectively measure theses elements.

http://prola.aps.org/abstract/PR/v134/i3A/pA688_1

With this evidence, have I given sufficient support to stay and post information and
support about this type of electrical sensativity?

Thanks everyone for being patient and listening with such critical thinkingto an issue that
is very important to us all.

Karen

> With this evidence, have I given sufficient support to stay
> and post information and support about this type of
> electrical sensativity?

Karen, do you actually *have* electrical sensitivity? I mean, do
you feel worse when you are near electrical devices? I've scanned
your past messages to this group, and can see that you are searching
for answers to your fluoric acid poisoning, but I didn't see anything
that indicated that you actually have electrical sensitivity.

Marc

Marc,

I have skeletal fluorosis. This condition is visible on x-ray. My bones arehyperdense. They
are in fact melting. This melting is caused by my expsosure to an electrical emission of a
effluent natural procudt with an electromagnetic affect.

Am I sensative to electricity.....Marc...with my exposure, based on all theindustry
information I can determine based on my profession, experience, education....Marc, I
conduct.

I cannot use electrical components. I discharge them. I cannot use a carbonbased EMF
field. I have more electricty than it does.

I can conduct electricity by using my vacuum cleaner. I can conduct electricity using a
screw driver. I have been in electrical conductive arcs.

I have been ZAPPED by a commercial power supply. Hit me right in the neck. There were
people there who saw, heard.


I am dealing with the WORST kind of electrical exposure known to man. I am successfully
dealing with managing symptoms of electrical exposure, namely heating of organic
material to cause emulsification of my fat......evaporation of my body fluid, ionization of
my salt and calcium.

Yeah...I would think that my electrical "sensativity" issues qualify me. But Marc, what I
know....about e-sens, and hypersens could help all of you.

I don't want to promote an ideology, a program that would be detrimental tolife and
health and the exucution of choices that bring those about.

I want to give your group....information, from my field experience as a professional
designate in this area, the tools and information you will need to help yourselves.

The principal learning lesson I have received from my exposure is this...weeach have
something to contribute that will promote us all.

I am a mother...a grandmother too...albeit a young one, but my motive is toprovide
accurate, reliable information that can be verified. Each of us...we need information so as
to promote the absolute best of what we are.

I am electrically poisoned. I have valuable information which I can provide, just based on
my experience. I would like to contribute in such a way as to promote intelligent learning
so as people can make decisions that will make their lives better.

I don't have all the answers. But what I do know....according to my industry..is that I
survived, where in all probable assessment, I shouldn't have.

I want to provide that which will give us all opportunity to succeed. That is my motive.

I just want to help. Would you let me? Respect my intellectual integrity toprovide to you,
the most detailed and accurate information, so as you and those you have assembled can
do the same.

Thank you for your consideration.

Karen

--- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:

> I cannot use electrical components. I discharge them. I cannot use a carbon based EMF
> field. I have more electricty than it does.
>
> I can conduct electricity by using my vacuum cleaner. I can conduct electricity using a
> screw driver. I have been in electrical conductive arcs.
>
> I have been ZAPPED by a commercial power supply. Hit me right in the neck. There were
> people there who saw, heard.

Okay, so what does everyone think? These symptoms that Karen has are not what I
generally think of as being "electrical sensitivity", but perhaps my viewpoint is too
narrow. Are these sorts of symptoms part of what can be called electrical
sensitivity, or is this another ailment altogether? Perhaps one that hasn't
even been named yet?

Marc

A few questions:

- how is the situation when you have taken a shower?

- how is the situation when you walk on barefoot?

- did somebody measure your body tension while lying on the bed?

- what kind of bed are you sleeping in?

- Schindeles Mineralien can diminish the body tension and are good for the
bone structure.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
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----- Original Message -----
From: "tayloka_40" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 05:55
Subject: [eSens] Re: My summary understanding about electrical sensativity

I think we should let Tayloka give us whatever information she is
able to over time. It's all the little bits and pieces we put in that
let us find the ones that work for us individually.

If it's any help, yes, she has trouble with going to stores with
fluorescent or halogen lights, and gets shocked by automobiles, just
like many of us do.

Her problem is the same as ours, just many times multiplied. If we
find a person who is getting over pneumonia that was a complication
of what was originally just a mild cold, and the person just catching
that cold, they are far apart, but not different in cause.

~ Snoshoe



--- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:
>
> > I cannot use electrical components. I discharge them. I cannot
use a carbon based EMF
> > field. I have more electricty than it does.
> >
> > I can conduct electricity by using my vacuum cleaner. I can
conduct electricity using a
> > screw driver. I have been in electrical conductive arcs.
> >
> > I have been ZAPPED by a commercial power supply. Hit me right in
the neck. There were
> > people there who saw, heard.
>
> Okay, so what does everyone think? These symptoms that Karen has
are not what I
> generally think of as being "electrical sensitivity", but perhaps
my viewpoint is too
> narrow. Are these sorts of symptoms part of what can be called
electrical
> sensitivity, or is this another ailment altogether? Perhaps one
that hasn't
> even been named yet?
>
> Marc
>

It sounds to me that she is electrically sensitive because she is
sensitive to properties of electricity. I have enjoyed learning about
her condition as it gives me more information about the different
sources that cause the body to react to electrical energy.
I get the sense that Karen is being censured because she not enough
like "us." Yes there is a limit to what will be helpful to some or most
of the people of our control group or subculture (ES). Defining our
condition will give us that identity and possibly the cure.
Until someone can come up with a sure cure for what ails us and target
specific conditions with remedies, I hope that we can stay open to all
information that pertains to anyone that feels pain around EMF.
Andrew

On May 8, 2006, at 12:19 AM, Marc Martin wrote:

> I get the sense that Karen is being censured because she not enough
> like "us."

I'm just concerned that Karen may be confused, and may think that
she has electrical sensitivity when she may have something else.
For example, I know of several people who get shocked regularly,
but don't have any other symptoms of ES.

Also, just because one has some sort of problem with electricity
does not (in my opinion) make them electrically sensitive. For
example, some people report that they their presence makes
street lights go off, light bulbs burn out, electronics to
fail, etc. Are these symptoms of ES? I think not. Are
they problems with electricity? Definitely.

Marc

Dear Karen,

My heart goes out to you and the challenges you face with the
extremely difficult condition you are living with. My following
questions are sincere and only asked in an attempt to clarify the
issues you are sharing and the causes you attribute to them.

Placing aside for the moment what agencies you are attributing to
fluorine compounds, are you saying that your symptoms solely occur
when you are in the presence of fluorine compounds? (I think this is
what you are saying but please correct me if not.)

What is the type of exposure to the fluorine (or other chemical)
compounds that initiate these symptoms?

I think what some of us are trying to understand is this:

What is the source of the electromagnetic fields you state are causing
the symptoms you are experiencing (skeletal fluorosis, fat
emulsification, evaporation of bodily fluid, ionization of salt and
calcium)? You are saying it is the chemical compounds emitting the
electromagnetic radiation causing your symptoms?

Thank you,
Beau
 


--- In [hidden email], "tayloka_40" <tayloka_40@...> wrote:
>
> Marc,
>
> I have skeletal fluorosis. This condition is visible on x-ray. My
bones are hyperdense. They
> are in fact melting. This melting is caused by my expsosure to an
electrical emission of a
> effluent natural procudt with an electromagnetic affect.
>
> Am I sensative to electricity.....Marc...with my exposure, based on
all the industry
> information I can determine based on my profession, experience,
education....Marc, I
> conduct.
>
> I cannot use electrical components. I discharge them. I cannot use a
carbon based EMF
> field. I have more electricty than it does.
>
> I can conduct electricity by using my vacuum cleaner. I can conduct
electricity using a
> screw driver. I have been in electrical conductive arcs.
>
> I have been ZAPPED by a commercial power supply. Hit me right in the
neck. There were
> people there who saw, heard.
>
>
> I am dealing with the WORST kind of electrical exposure known to
man. I am successfully
> dealing with managing symptoms of electrical exposure, namely
heating of organic
> material to cause emulsification of my fat......evaporation of my
body fluid, ionization of
> my salt and calcium.
>
> Yeah...I would think that my electrical "sensativity" issues qualify
me. But Marc, what I
> know....about e-sens, and hypersens could help all of you.
>
> I don't want to promote an ideology, a program that would be
detrimental to life and
> health and the exucution of choices that bring those about.
>
> I want to give your group....information, from my field experience
as a professional
> designate in this area, the tools and information you will need to
help yourselves.
>
> The principal learning lesson I have received from my exposure is
this...we each have
> something to contribute that will promote us all.
>
> I am a mother...a grandmother too...albeit a young one, but my
motive is to provide
> accurate, reliable information that can be verified. Each of us...we
need information so as
> to promote the absolute best of what we are.
>
> I am electrically poisoned. I have valuable information which I can
provide, just based on
> my experience. I would like to contribute in such a way as to
promote intelligent learning
> so as people can make decisions that will make their lives better.
>
> I don't have all the answers. But what I do know....according to my
industry..is that I
> survived, where in all probable assessment, I shouldn't have.
>
> I want to provide that which will give us all opportunity to
succeed. That is my motive.
>
> I just want to help. Would you let me? Respect my intellectual
integrity to provide to you,
> the most detailed and accurate information, so as you and those you
have assembled can

Hi,
   
The streetlight and transformer blowouts from before i came super ES defenitely where related, as was the computer-blowout etc since.. So in my case stuff blew up before i realized man-made emf's affected me..
   
Love
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Becoming a harmonic emf myself, looks kinda like a rose if you could see it (or if scientifico's draw it) Clean out that temple..
   
Also, just because one has some sort of problem with electricity
does not (in my opinion) make them electrically sensitive. For
example, some people report that they their presence makes
street lights go off, light bulbs burn out, electronics to
fail, etc. Are these symptoms of ES? I think not. Are
they problems with electricity? Definitely.

Marc


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I think I see where some confusion is here. If we are the "output" but
it's not bothering us, it's not such a problem usually, although it
kept my sister from being able to work with pcs, and I have melted a
television. :)

When we get the "input" making us feel sick and uncomfortable, that is
where we're trying to find relief, yes?

Tayloka happens to get it coming and going though, lucky girl. ;)

~ Snoshoe

--- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:

Thank you for recognizing my struggle. I have persevered through an incredible physical
trauma. I understand the confusion and I want to ensure that understanding prevails and
your questions are welcomed.

Firstly, an EM field is a an area which is made up of an electricomagnetic source. The EM in
the field is measured by its frequency. A strong EM field will have a high concentration of
heat and will have a temerature reflecting the density of the field.

Fluoride and its compounds are used virtually everywhere in modern day society. The
presence of fluorosis, which means that my bones are lucent on x-ray (they kind of
shimmer, as if cracked). To have this much lucency means that I was exposedto a source
of electricity, capable of penetrating my skin and lesioning (I don't know if that is the right
term) to my bone.

Now to have this, I would have to of had maybe LOTS of x-rays, all at one time. I couldn't
have ingested that much fluoride compound to result in the bone lucency. I couldn't have
breathed it in either. My heart would have stopped.

The only way to get this in your bones is by exposure to a radiant electromagentic
frequency. Electricity. Being in the coal mine, next to that drag line, which is the size of a
football field 8 stories high, would indicate that the most suspect source for this exposure
would be the biproduct in coal, fluorine, when heated or ionized, it becomes hydrogen
fluoride.

All electricy causes in the body are symtoms of heat mismanagment. My initial symtpoms
after exposure occured within 6 hours. My arms were burning, my ears were ringing. I felt
as if I had been sunburned playing on the beach all day. I am a red head, we don't play on
the beach in the sun....we burn very, very easily.

The symptom progression started once my core body heat started elevating. Ideveloped
CREST. That is Calcinosis, Raynauds (very painful), Esophogeal immotitility, sgjorjens (sp)
syndrome (dry mucous membranes), and Teleganicia (red spots, small but sore).

The mammogram that was done showed I had lost 75-100 pounds. When I was exposed I
only weighted 141.

As the heat in my body increased, I was unable to hold food, I had nausea, vomitting,
diarhea, I was coughing foam and blood. I had respiratory problems as if I couldn't catch
my breath. I developed an unproductive cough. I had degeneration of my eyenerves
(common with this type of exposure). I became photosensative and could not be in
daylight.

I had terrible nose bleeds. With the heat rising in my body, and the dehydration, it caused
severe fatigue. They call this chronic fatigue, but I would just fall alseep anywhere. I would
become very, very cold and just go to sleep. Hypothermia. Kind of changes chronic for me
as a term.

The loss of body water, fat, and the rise of heat causes problems breathingand it
accompanied by heart arythmia. My heart has been at 283 beats. It is calledan atrial
flutter. For a good reason too because it feels like a bird in your chest, flapping to get out.

The net result of this heat is very low blood pressure. Mine was recorded in my record at
one point as 76/58. The nurse commented that people in comas have bp this low. I
appreciated the information and told her my coma was functional.

As the blood pressure goes down, it becomees very hard to not faint. This would happen
anywhere.

My first lump came November 17, 2002. Quick.

Initially, there was alot of cognitive impairment. I had difficutly with short term memory. I
couldn't remember locations, spatial differences. I couldn't hold myself balanced upright.
If I went into a store, I couldn't remember coming in...and much worse...I lost my
car...LOLOL....

It was pretty bad.

But all of my symptoms of "sensativity" can occur when I get in front of large electrical
equipment. I heat up under halogen lighting. This body heating is very uncomfortable. The
calcinosis on my fingers causes calcium type burns. Just think about opening up a battery
and you would have the right concept. Because there is caclium with salt water on my
hands, I cannot use simple electrical appliances, they burn me. Although I feel burns on
my fingertips, they in fact don't have tactile sense. I cannot hold anything with "feeling".
Not having feeling in your fingers causes short term memory problems, you drop things,
items fall from your grasp, or you apply too much grasp and break something.

If I consume, let's say a grilled cheese sandwich, cooked in a teflon pan, that has a
fluoropolymer (PFOA) (this has similar ionic structure to the hydrogen fluoride) I become
violently ill, my esphogus begins to spasm and I cannot breath. It chokes me. Then comes
the severe burning in my stomach, as it combines with hydrochloric acid of my stomach it
makes a gas and causes a condition called watermelon stomach.

The remedy for Esophogeal immotility is to keep surgically strechting the esophegus to
prevent/relieve the smooth muscle tension. I have opted not to have this done.

So for me now....I have managed this emulsification issue and have been effective in
staving that....thank GAWD...I have no caboose anymore....I am able to eat,sort of. My
cognitive functioning is improving along with my memory.

I still cannot remember parts about my life, like birthdays growing up or Christmas or just
being me. I have some memory of the second grade and most of it is pretty sketchy.

One thing, very problematic for me, was the nervousness, anxiousness, confusion,
paranoia really, I felt terribly frightened.

My hair turned all white, I started to shrink, shorten in height. My bones are still very
dense....I weigh about 154 pounds, from 160, and I am a size 0. Sometimes a2. That is
pretty small. But my bones with the calcium and being so warm, cannot harden and
become strong. This for me makes me feel like I am carting around in a deepsea diving
suit. I am very heavy.

The inability to manage calcium alone disrupts the blood. The blood bone ratio to calcium
should be 2.5 pounds to 28 grams. That 28 grams would be the blood calcium levels.
When your calcium is this ionized, warm, it seems to leak from everywhere.

In October of 2004, my mother, an ICU Nurse Practioner, Cardiology, took meto Ceragem.
It was the last thing to try. So usind Far Infrared radiation, radiant heat, I am able to gas
out some of this heat from me. (www.ceragem.com)

I have a remineralization program I use. I cannot use any prescritpion drugs, again, they
are made with fluorophenyls that closely approximate the electrical magentic frequency of
my exposure. Depending on the drug, it can cause the symptoms it is trying to correct. It
became preety clear, early on that drugs for remedy would not be an option for me.

The problem with my exposure is that everything in society is made from thechemical
from the coal, fluoride, that poisoned me. So I will be, ultimately, hyper sensative and
when exposed, based on whether I breath it in as an automobile exahaust, eat it like
teflon, brush my teeth as in sodium fluoride, I get radiation burns and thesymptoms start
all over.

I think I covered everything. I hesitate with description of symptoms as mine were very
severe and I don't want to frighten anyone.

Thank you for asking.

Karen



--- In [hidden email], "bbin37" <netfarer2@...> wrote:

Hi, Marc and All,
   
I have been gone a few days, so this is a little old of a topic, however,I wanted to respond.  
   
I didn't think when I came to this forum that I had ES. I thought I was here because I had health issues that were remotely similar, and you all were discussing topics that I was researching because they were important to my personal health issues, so I stayed. However, in staying here, I have found that I DO have what you here call ES--some things I do react to as others here describe. I react to cell phones and some microwave towers, to halogen lighting and sometimes to fluorescent lighting the same as many here.BUT I also react the same as Karen does, and was even more like this in the past. As I am detoxing, I am going from being very electrically chargedto having more ES-like symptoms. In the past, I was a "zapper". Now I donot "zap" nearly as much, but I react, ES-wise, in various ways that are similar to what I read here. But, since I have been here and had time to digest the info here, I have realized that I reacted in the past, too, but most often
didn't recognise it as ES. Some of the reactions that you all experience,btw, I have chalked down to lymphatic congestion/toxic overload symptoms. I didn't call it ES, because I was calling it something else. When you all say you react to magnets or crystals, etc, what it appears to me that youare saying is, your toxins are mobilizing due to magnets or crystals. This to me is not ES, it is detoxing! But, I realize the longer I am here that detoxing is as important to all of you as it has been and is to me. Whether it goes by the name ES or detoxing, it does not matter.
   
I am wondering if there is a sliding scale of electrical sensitivity, depending on the type of radiation/toxin exposure that one has encountered. What I mean is, perhaps, those of us with serious radiation exposure react initially by being electrically overcharged. As we "cool down" and detox somewhat, we enter a stage where we are ES reactors--we react to electrical and magnetic elements around us. Some of this (perhaps most of it!) is the act of detoxing, itself. Hopefully, as we cool down further, we reach a point where we do not react at all. At least this is my quest.  
   
Ok, this is just my theory. Is there any info out there supporting or refuting this? I have come to this conclusion because it seems this is my personal experience from what is happening and has happened in my life. Therefore, I think that Karen DOES have ES, or that ALL of you have detoxing from toxins or radiation. (We call it potatoes, you call it po-taut-oes, butit seems like the same thing to me.) Take your pick! lol

My 2 cents,
Diane
Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:
 
Okay, so what does everyone think? These symptoms that Karen has are not what I
generally think of as being "electrical sensitivity", but perhaps my viewpoint is too
narrow. Are these sorts of symptoms part of what can be called electrical
sensitivity, or is this another ailment altogether? Perhaps one that hasn't
even been named yet?

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Hello Karen,

I am very sorry to hear of your terrible ordeal with fluorosis and
associated consequences. Some things you say seem to raise some
questions and one possible explanation.

If I could first ask a few questions. I'm sorry if it is a bit of a
long list that is tedious for you.

I notice firstly you talking about heating:

> But all of my symptoms of "sensativity" can occur when I get in
front of large
> electrical equipment. I heat up under halogen lighting. This body
heating is
> very uncomfortable. The calcinosis on my fingers causes calcium type
burns.
> Just think about opening up a battery and you would have the right
concept.

Just to clarify the specific nature of the heating:

do you predominantly feel the heating on the surface of your
hands?

do you feel tingling or warmth on lips/ tongue/ fingers/
feet?

do you have muscle pains?

> I cannot use electrical components. I discharge them....
>
> I can conduct electricity by using my vacuum cleaner. I can conduct
electricity using a
> screw driver. I have been in electrical conductive arcs.
>
> I have been ZAPPED by a commercial power supply. Hit me right in the
neck.
There were
> people there who saw, heard.

I am interested in a bit of detail here. With the power supply, was
there an audible spark, or did people see and hear you double over in
pain (this indicates to me the voltage level, high or low)?

Can you elaborate on what you experience when you use a vacuum cleaner
or any other problematic appliance or common electrical situation?

Additionally, what do you mean by 'I can conduct electricity using a
screw driver' please?

Can you list some electrical components you discharge please?

Can you please clarify: ' have been in electrical conductive arcs.'
Have you actually been electrocuted by arcing multiple times? (There
is a condition in lightning strike survivors that may be relevant.)

Finally, I expect you don't, but just in case, do you have dental
fluorosis?

Now that I have asked a set of questions, something springs to mind.

Fluorosis will produce tetany- tingling, burning and or spasms or
aches due to buggered nerves and in association with altered
electrolytes.

Also, particularly, it will produce your calcium regulation problems.

One of the results with EMR is that it can affect calcium channel
regulation. Fluorosis affects calcium metabolism. I have spoken to
several severe dental amalgam patients.

It has been obvious that the worst cases were those that had
COTOXICITY- a person with toxicity of two chemicals, mercury plus one
other, such as aluminium or lead. With cotoxicity, 1 unit of one
poison plus 1 unit of a second is equivalent to either 10 or 100
(I forget which) of either. There is a dramatic worsening of symptoms
with cotoxicity, it is remarkable.

Both radiation and skeletal fluorosis can affect calcium regulation,
while with radiation it has not been considered so important. I wonder
whether due to your fluorosis you respond to tiny levels of electrical
stimuli, the linking factor being calcium dysregulation, dramatically
aggravating both. If you can routinely detect electromagnetics when
blindfolded you might provide insight into electrosensitivity. Tetany
is an electrolyte related nerve problem, and I know someone with
multiple sclerosis (another nerve problem) who also reacts strongly to
EMR.

Thanks Karen, its a lot (barage) of questions, but might help. If its
difficult using keyboard just try one or two.

regards
Rowan C

--- In [hidden email], "tayloka_40" <tayloka_40@...> wrote:
>
> Thank you for recognizing my struggle. I have persevered through an
incredible physical
> trauma. I understand the confusion and I want to ensure that
understanding prevails and
> your questions are welcomed.
>

Rowan, it sounds like you can help. Thanks.

Nature of heating: The heat is felt internally, and is accompanied by rapidheart rate,
faintness. Overall that is. My hands and feet weep. The become terribly hot. As in someone
else finds them uncomfortable to hold. A fluid, smelling of salt and sugar,weeps from my
hands. It can actually pool. When moist, the skin has crystals on it. In the sun they
shimmer. My feet are the same.

I have multiple nueropathy in face, neck, shoulders. Tingling is an understatement. It feels
more like a mesh, thinly made, that has a small amount of electricity flowing through it.
The tingling in my hands is very painful. I have a sore on inside of left hand that is about
the size of a golf ball in diameter.

I have severe muscle seizures. These occur everywhere but are mostly aroundmy spine,
calf, and abdomen.

With electricity, like an outlet for example, like the one in the computer store, I was
standing about 1 meter away from the power supply by the computer display. There was
an audible cracking, then a snaping sound, then I felt it. Right side of neck. It left a bruise.

When I used the screw driver, it made a connection with a standard electrical socket from
about half a meter and there was a "force"...LOLOL...no seriously, there was pressure
holding the screw driver in my hand. I felt the back of my neck have the same pressure as
if forcing me down. There was a warmth all over my body and then the screwdriver went
flying. It stuck in the wall. My left arm was very sore. I developed musclespasms in the
forearm that seized into cable-like toughness. Wouldn't relax.

Other electrical discharges....battery operated appliances such as phones. Switches that
toggle on off, fans, computers. My tractor. I seem to interrupt the lights in my car. My car
was in the accident with me, the front panel melted and there was multiple electrical
problems such as the wiring to the alternator catching fire.

I do have dental fluorosis with the brown mottling occuring on three back teeth. I had
terrible TMJ and broke a mouth guard and three teeth. The brown mottling appeared
rather quickly it seemed, but in actuality is about 3 years after my exposure.

I have been reviewed for removal for amalgams. In my case it could be too dangerous. I
was referred to a hospital. I have defered a decision until my condition improves.

I have blood test showing no heavy metal or lead poisoning or toxicity.

The worst symptom I am currently facing is the hands and feet. I also have burns on my
face. I had lumps long my jaw, eye orbit, nose, forehead. I have also had the burns on my
hip (illium)...funny that feels just like a dentist drill. There were threedrilling sensations
and after about three to four weeks with that I erupted 9 lumps that followed the outline
of my illium. I can't x-ray anymore as this causes severe burn-lumps to appear.

My fingers have minimal sensation. I have managed the severe ulcers. I havea picture
posted here of one on the right index finger. That is representative of what I had
everywhere.

My hands and feet, with my feet being my biggest concern....distance for circulation and
all, they appear purple, my toes, and when they get those static shocks in them, they leave
bruises. I have bone spurs in my feet. On x-ray of those, they coincided with lumps that
had broken through the skin.

The tips of my fingers are a redish purple also. I have the technical name for this
(hypervaculitis sp), I am hesitant to give it as I cannot find my reference. I am close
though. They are somewhat numb. They do tingle so I have confidence there is no nerve
necrosis.

That is the big battle as I understand it, maintaining bone/blood calcium levels, which is
difficult when you leak. And staving bone necrosis. Both of which I am negative.

Any suggestions? I wear cotton gloves and socks to help the swelling, I cannot let my
hands or feet dry completely and I need to keep aspirating the water from them.

Any idea how this progresses back to normal?

Any hidden "gotchya's" that could derail me?

I appreciate all your effort to helping me resolve this. I am confident that this can be done.

Warmly,

Karen
(I have another example about this electricity...this morning, I helped my daughter with
her car, it needed to be boosted. I will do the connection but won't touch anything while
there is a current. Get it done, I stayed away, but was close enough. I went to kiss her
good bye and ZAPPED her cheek. That is kind of how it works around here.)









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Hi,
   
Yeah, this rings about true to me.. not back to where it was though, on to something way better.. Yeah mine is the Quest (fountain of youth, holy grail and my Lancelot)
   
If the toxins where not there then it could not affect us, those fields that are far from harmonic. So those weirdo cell-phone things where there totell me there was something wrong. (yeah more to that story though)
   
In my opinion energy blocks cause toxins to "stick"// Without blocks in the flow of chi, there is no disease// I think these blocks are caused by karma (as is all disease and death for that matter)// When i feel a karma-string leave, this most of the time also causes something physical to leave mybody (cluster of cells, parasites??/infection, white gue)
   
So without energy blocks toxins do not affect you like the yogi that can drink the poison.. (T how about that??)
   
So yeah the crystals help me with their harmonic frequencies, picked up amathist as well and more, this is the 7th chakra and rules all other 6, works kinda like that violet flame (strong dollar=strong blood mantra) then, and detox is the result, not only of substances also of beliefs and a type of thinking that have undermined my system.// (mind, body and soul)
   
So detoxing is fine, eating healthy great, thinking healthy probably moreimportant than all of that (and this is helped by healthy diet, or supplementing to assist the body to detox, goes hand in hand) Clean that blood//

Love
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Karma chameleon, you string along, you string along..
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I am wondering if there is a sliding scale of electrical sensitivity, depending on the type of radiation/toxin exposure that one has encountered. What I mean is, perhaps, those of us with serious radiation exposure reactinitially by being electrically overcharged. As we "cool down" and detox somewhat, we enter a stage where we are ES reactors--we react to electricaland magnetic elements around us. Some of this (perhaps most of it!) is the act of detoxing, itself. Hopefully, as we cool down further, we reach a point where we do not react at all. At least this is my quest.  
   


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I believe that Perla, about the yogi....they master the condition of themself. I use the
practices of Chinese spiritual healings in Qi Gong and Yoga. I follow the practice
instructions of the Yoga Eric Shiffman. He has a book that teaches the techniques and
practices of the paths of knowledge, selfless work (karma), devotion, and consciousness.

The practice is aimed at diving deep into yourself and understanding how the creation
energy comes and flows through you...by thought and action and peaceful prayer.

For me, Yoga provides the discipline to find the peace within me. Once I get the hang of
hanging on, I am going to look into the crystals more. I find them fascinating. I think the
prayer done with them is so gracious and soft.

Perla, do you use the sweats tents?

Karen



--- In [hidden email], perla1133 <perla1133@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>    
> Yeah, this rings about true to me.. not back to where it was though, onto something
way better.. Yeah mine is the Quest (fountain of youth, holy grail and my Lancelot)
>    
> If the toxins where not there then it could not affect us, those fieldsthat are far from
harmonic. So those weirdo cell-phone things where there to tell me there was something
wrong. (yeah more to that story though)
>    
> In my opinion energy blocks cause toxins to "stick"// Without blocks inthe flow of chi,
there is no disease// I think these blocks are caused by karma (as is all disease and death
for that matter)// When i feel a karma-string leave, this most of the time also causes
something physical to leave my body (cluster of cells, parasites??/infection, white gue)
>    
> So without energy blocks toxins do not affect you like the yogi that can drink the
poison.. (T how about that??)
>    
> So yeah the crystals help me with their harmonic frequencies, picked up amathist as
well and more, this is the 7th chakra and rules all other 6, works kinda like that violet
flame (strong dollar=strong blood mantra) then, and detox is the result, not only of
substances also of beliefs and a type of thinking that have undermined my system.//
(mind, body and soul)
>    
> So detoxing is fine, eating healthy great, thinking healthy probably more important
than all of that (and this is helped by healthy diet, or supplementing to assist the body to
detox, goes hand in hand) Clean that blood//
>
> Love
>  
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------------------- type of radiation/toxin exposure that one has encountered. What I mean is,perhaps,
those of us with serious radiation exposure react initially by being electrically overcharged.  
As we "cool down" and detox somewhat, we enter a stage where we are ES reactors--we
react to electrical and magnetic elements around us. Some of this (perhapsmost of it!) is
the act of detoxing, itself. Hopefully, as we cool down further, we reach a point where we
do not react at all. At least this is my quest.  
>    
>
>
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Sweats i have not used as much (sometimes i get ideas and do not follow up as much, like i wanna make that sweatlodge) Still things come about if i out them out there and on my path i find good stuff.. except the heat here, sunbaths i love (feel "the thing" come out in sun sea beach time.. so symtoms at the same places as "it" coming in, but i know it is on its way out--0:)

Like i run into the guy with the zapper.. by the by it felt like the epilady//i mean i wonder if the epilady works like a zapper and more. (maybe acupressure type as well and meditative state. i got it when i was a pretty bad and used it as pain was not really an issue then.. i mean it was but the pain of the epilady was not really pain anymore compared to previous experience.. funny that it being an electric thing did not oput me off) i use it under arms as well, and bikiniline and leg with it, have recently started again// I dunno if it can work like a zapper, but i get the same feeling//)

Oh and yesterday i got a lil' jade turtle so i see what happens..

Love

oh by karma you mean dharma, also known as Grace more or less i think//
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grace, a nice alternative to karma


tayloka_40 <[hidden email]> wrote:
I believe that Perla, about the yogi....they master the condition of themself. I use the
practices of Chinese spiritual healings in Qi Gong and Yoga. I follow the practice
instructions of the Yoga Eric Shiffman. He has a book that teaches the techniques and
practices of the paths of knowledge, selfless work (karma), devotion, and consciousness.

The practice is aimed at diving deep into yourself and understanding how the creation
energy comes and flows through you...by thought and action and peaceful prayer.

For me, Yoga provides the discipline to find the peace within me. Once I get the hang of
hanging on, I am going to look into the crystals more. I find them fascinating. I think the
prayer done with them is so gracious and soft.

Perla, do you use the sweats tents?

Karen



--- In [hidden email], perla1133 <perla1133@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Yeah, this rings about true to me.. not back to where it was though, on to something
way better.. Yeah mine is the Quest (fountain of youth, holy grail and my Lancelot)
>
> If the toxins where not there then it could not affect us, those fields that are far from
harmonic. So those weirdo cell-phone things where there to tell me there was something
wrong. (yeah more to that story though)
>
> In my opinion energy blocks cause toxins to "stick"// Without blocks in the flow of chi,
there is no disease// I think these blocks are caused by karma (as is all disease and death
for that matter)// When i feel a karma-string leave, this most of the time also causes
something physical to leave my body (cluster of cells, parasites??/infection, white gue)
>
> So without energy blocks toxins do not affect you like the yogi that can drink the
poison.. (T how about that??)
>
> So yeah the crystals help me with their harmonic frequencies, picked up amathist as
well and more, this is the 7th chakra and rules all other 6, works kinda like that violet
flame (strong dollar=strong blood mantra) then, and detox is the result, not only of
substances also of beliefs and a type of thinking that have undermined my system.//
(mind, body and soul)
>
> So detoxing is fine, eating healthy great, thinking healthy probably more important
than all of that (and this is helped by healthy diet, or supplementing to assist the body to
detox, goes hand in hand) Clean that blood//
>
> Love
>
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------------------- type of radiation/toxin exposure that one has encountered. What I mean is, perhaps,
those of us with serious radiation exposure react initially by being electrically overcharged.
As we "cool down" and detox somewhat, we enter a stage where we are ES reactors--we
react to electrical and magnetic elements around us. Some of this (perhaps most of it!) is
the act of detoxing, itself. Hopefully, as we cool down further, we reach a point where we
do not react at all. At least this is my quest.
>
>
>
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