My computer situation (update, w/ "recommended" computer)

Have you and your wife tried the 44 ILD Talalay blended-latex mattress?  (The 100% natural Talalay latex mattresses only go up to 35 - 42 ILD - so the average is about 38.8 ILD.) A couple of these layers - at least used as the bottom "support" layers - may be firm enough to support her back.

Your olfactory/symptomatic experience with latex differs from mine (so far).  It may be that your latex has finished offgassing - but that seems pretty unlikely because it seems like you didn't even have any troubles when you first bought it.  Other possibilities:

-you lucked up on some "good" latex, or I'm unlucky
-production methods have changed since you bought your latex
-you used/use Dunlop instead of Talalay - and Dunlop might be different?
-I'm just a lot more sensitive to this (probably the most likely possibility)

It has been a bumpy ride for me.  Interrupted sleep/insomnia, and other symptoms that you'd think wouldn't be activated just from laying on a mattress.  I don't think it's allergy-related - because the allergic response is caused by certain proteins in the latex, and is activated by more direct (skin) contact with the latex.  My symptoms are coming from (very) indirect contact with the latex - seemingly from the odor/fumes/"volatile substances" that are wafting up through all of the bed layers.

It would be good to know exactly what compounds are causing the odor and/or the fumes - exactly what is evaporating through the air.  Is it something toxic or harmful? (Although if I'm getting these symptoms from it - it could be a sign that, though it may not be known as particularly harmful, it may be harmful for *me*.)

I've noticed that the firmer the layer is - the less "offensive" it seems to be....the less it offgasses.  The 30 - 32 ILD, which is my top, softest layer - seems horrible when I have the two firmer layers underneath it.  I recently experimented and had it as the top layer of a 2-layer set-up, and, while still bad - it seemed to be noticably better.

So, generally-speaking - the firmer the better, and 2 layers seem to be better than 3.

The apparent reality that firmer layers seem to be better for me makes me wonder if Dunlop latex would be less troublesome - since it is a firmer, more compact type of latex.  I wonder if the more "airy" type of structure of Talalay makes it more prone to offgassing.

Furthermore - it seems that I'm discovering how unstable this latex seems to be.  From experimenting with the different layers - I've gotten a chance to look at the actual layers, and lately, I've noticed little "tears" (rips) all over the latex, like it's begun some type of deterioration process or is breaking down.  These "structural imperfections" are seemingly minor - but they are all over the place and it is something that I don't believe was there when the latex first arrived.  I think I read once that latex is very vulnerable to UV radiation - I wonder if it's vulnerable to all kinds of light, heat, and other types of radiation? (The weather has really warmed up in recent days, and I'm wondering if this has something to do with it.) I'm now getting the impression that it is an unstable material - although it may take a long time to break down to the point where it no longer performs as well as a mattress.  But this apparent instability may be why it is emitting these odors/fumes.

They say that how strongly the latex smells depends on how long it had been "aired out" by the manufacturer - well, you have to wonder why they don't take the time to air these mattresses out.  You'd think that if they could easily get rid of the odor/fumes, they would.  

Anyway, this experience really depresses me - I cannot go back to an innerspring mattress because the interior metal seemingly amplified the WiFi radiation and gave me exacerbated symptoms...and what I thought was going to be a much healthier alternative doesn't seem to be working out.  From what I've seen/read, there are negative issues associated with memory foam:  do I want to trade in one offgassing experience for another?  I don't know what a healthy resolution would be.

~Svetaswan  

--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote:

I have found Talalay to have near zero odor while Dunlop
has a slight odor and seems to make me feel very creepy.
Possibly it's not the latex itself but the stuff they put on to
process it.

Some people do well with futons, usually wool or silk.
I'd go for wool unless you're allergic.

For some people, Dunlop is more comfortable than Talalay.

I'm starting to think the ILD rating is not enough to go by.
They should invent a sag rating.  Memory foam doesn't
sag at all (but seems to outgas toxic stuff) while other
foams if you push down in the middle the foam around
your hand is also compressed.  Or if you put 3 equal
weights in a row, the middle weight would be lower.
This is sag.  I don't know how much sag is ideal or
which materials sag the most...

I think it might make sense to try a wool futon, and if
it's not comfortable add a 3/4" Talalay topper.  Then
if needed another wool topper over that?

I am sleeping pretty well on my Talalay mattress
(Midori by Organicpedic).  It seems very firm, yet
my wife thinks it has more sag than the foam futon
we have.  Seems to bother her back.  We have a
thin wool topper on it.

I imagine, unless you're very heavy, the thinner mattresses or
futons may be best because there will be less sag.
If you like hammocs than maybe you like sag...

Bill


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I don't remember being in a hammoc - possibly I was in my youth, but I can't use any hammoc experience as a reference point. Oh, well...

And unfortunately, I'm a heavy person - particularly for my height.  I'm 5'4" and, last I checked, about 208lbs..  (The story of how I got this way is a lot more complex than sitting on my expanding behind eating Bon Bons - something wrecked my metabolism, but that is a different post for a different forum!)  Since my weight is concentrated over a relatively-short area, I have to tread carefully when it comes to selecting a mattress with enough support.  The "sag" concept is an important one.  I'm worried that a wool mattress just won't do the trick as far as support/comfort - there's a good chance that wool just won't work without involving "toxic" latex or "foam" somewhere in the equation - or *something* supportive.

That's what adds to my latex frustration - all indications are/were that the latex was working for me from a comfort/support standpoint.  I really haven't had any major issues in that area.  *That* was what I was worried about as I was shopping for the latex - but it turns out I was worrying about the wrong thing.

Anyway, thanks for the suggestions.  Hopefully I don't react poorly to wool as well - after this latex experience, I can't take for granted that anything is "safe".

~Svetaswan  


--- In [hidden email], Bill Bruno <wbruno@...> wrote:

Is this smell the same that is in all new electronic equipment
anymore? It smells kind of like machine oil to me. I cannot find a
pair of headphones to talk on skype that does not have this stench
and it also rubs off onto whatever part of me it touches.

Karen

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Hi, Svetaswan,
 
I have been meaning to write you with another idea entirely.  In 2008, I bought an Ikea sofa.  Ikea is supposed to be very eco-conscious, etc, so, since their removable covers are all cotton and all the fire-retardant is on them, I thought, "Great!  I can just wash the covers in the washer with baking soda over and over till I get the fire-retardant out."  Well, it didn't quite work out that way.  It was not the covers that bothered me; it was the foam cushions that stunk to high heavens!  So, then I thought I could just out-gas it--it was in a closed off unused room with cross ventilation for 8 months.  Winter was coming and it still smelled as bad as day one.  I called Ikea and they actually agreed to take it back, but I asked if I tried baking soda on it would they still return it?  And they said, yes, they would.  So I took a couple super size boxes of baking soda and covered the sofa all over with a layer of baking soda (in the
 unused room).  I closed the door behind me and left it there over night.  It was pretty good the next day, but I left it there a week before cleaning all the baking soda off.  The I turned the sofa over and covered the rest of it with baking soda, plus the cushions got another dose of baking soda on the back sides, which took a week longer.  It has not smelled since. 
 
I cannot say whether this will void any warranties or damage your foam mattress in any way; however, it did not seem to damage my sofa in the least.  After 2 1/2 years, my sofa is still like brand new.  You might call and ask the manufacturer whether they think baking soda would be okay to try.
 
Hope this works for you if you try it!
Diane

--- On Mon, 5/30/11, svetaswan <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: svetaswan <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: mattress question
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, May 30, 2011, 1:18 PM


 





I don't remember being in a hammoc - possibly I was in my youth, but I can't use any hammoc experience as a reference point. Oh, well...

And unfortunately, I'm a heavy person - particularly for my height. I'm 5'4" and, last I checked, about 208lbs.. (The story of how I got this way is a lot more complex than sitting on my expanding behind eating Bon Bons - something wrecked my metabolism, but that is a different post for a different forum!) Since my weight is concentrated over a relatively-short area, I have to tread carefully when it comes to selecting a mattress with enough support. The "sag" concept is an important one. I'm worried that a wool mattress just won't do the trick as far as support/comfort - there's a good chance that wool just won't work without involving "toxic" latex or "foam" somewhere in the equation - or *something* supportive.

That's what adds to my latex frustration - all indications are/were that the latex was working for me from a comfort/support standpoint. I really haven't had any major issues in that area. *That* was what I was worried about as I was shopping for the latex - but it turns out I was worrying about the wrong thing.

Anyway, thanks for the suggestions. Hopefully I don't react poorly to wool as well - after this latex experience, I can't take for granted that anything is "safe".

~Svetaswan

--- In [hidden email], Bill Bruno <wbruno@...> wrote:







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Hi Diane,

Thanks so much for the suggestion.  However, signs point to this remedy not really being an option with this latex.  My recent observations of this latex give me the impression that it is not a very stable material - I see little "pits", tears, and "erosion" that I don't think were there when the latex first arrived.  This doesn't look like something onto which you want to be sprinkling baking soda.  I kinda doubt I would be allowed to do this.  

I've been getting the impression that foam may actually be a more stable material than latex. This could be a last resort (I'm still not ready to give up on latex quite yet) - but I could get a foam mattress, and possibly do what you did to deal with the fumes.  Many foam/mattress companies might not have as generous of a policy, though - as far as allowing one to do that without voiding the warranty.

Did the baking soda disappear into the foam, or does/did it just "sit" there?

But here is a page that basically confirms my impressions of latex's relative instability - the entire page is informative, but the "Antioxidant" section gives the most relevant info regarding instability:

http://mattressconsultant.com/dunlopprocess.htm


(I realize the rest of my post veers off in a slightly different direction than the specific sub-topic that Diane was discussing - but I just thought I'd add this, as I try to get to the bottom of the latex mattress "fumes" issue.  Maybe I'm simply "thinking aloud", but perhaps someone might find this useful somewhere down the line - particularly the links)


The following page contains a comment (1st comment, 2nd to last paragraph) - that suggests that in order of "odor intensity" - 100% natural Talalay latex smells the most, while the blended Talalay smells the least.  Dunlop is somewhere in the middle.  This might just be someone's own personal opinion - but it seems to be in line with what my own experience might be, based on what I've observed so far.  Seemingly-informative page, overall:

http://greenlivingqa.com/content/royal-pedic-quilted-latex-matt


My own impressions are that, while the 100% natural Talalay may have a moderately more intense odor than the blended Talalay - the 100% natural Talalay has a "cleaner" odor that suggests pure rubber, while the blended Talalay has more of a "chemical", "petroleum" smell by comparison. (Then again, the "purer" smell of the 100% natural latex might be due to the influence of the vanilla scent that's added to it.  I can only *faintly* detect a vanilla scent, but it seems to be well-blended into the overall latex smell and may have some influence on my impressions.)

And as I said, "odor" and "offgassing" might be two different things:  the 100% natural Talalay might have a more-intense odor overall (then again, I can't make a fair comparison because my blended-Talalay mattress has been in use for about 8 weeks, while my 100% natural Talalay samples arrived just last week), but this doesn't necessarily mean that the 100% natural would be more bothersome.  It may actually be *less* bothersome - since the composition is different.   I still can't say whether my symptoms would abate with the 100% natural, though - so far, it's been difficult to make that assessment.

I also wonder if the manufacturer of the latex might factor into how a mattress smells or offgasses.  I came across a page that stated that some companies have more of a proprietary approach to the Talalay manufacturing process - supposedly, some companies don't even disclose everything they add to the latex.  I can't find the source right now - but IIRC, the source might have been affiliated with a latex retailer.  This statement could have been based more on ulterior motives than reality - then again, there could be some truth, there.

Here's a page in which Dunlop latex is touted as the overall superior, more reliable choice over Talalay (for whatever this source is worth):

http://www.habitatfurnishings.com/blog/?p=7

Here's a page that states that blended Talalay latex has more synthetic antioxidants added to prevent discoloration:

http://www.savvyrest.com/why-savvy-rest/variations-in-natural-latex


Anyway, I recently realized that Marc's and Bill's latex could have come from a different manufacturer, and it could have something to do with why they have had a different experience than I've had.  The manufacturer of my latex is Latex International.

Overall, I'm wondering if a 100% natural Dunlop latex mattress, and/or a latex mattress from a different manufacturer - might be a better choice for me.


~Svetaswan



--- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@...> wrote:

> Anyway, I recently realized that Marc's and Bill's latex could have come from a different manufacturer,
> and it could have something to do with why they have had a different experience than I've had.

Yes, that "foamorder.com" latex topper I bought using the "Natural Sense" latex says it uses a Dunlop process, without any toxic additives, so it is definitely different from what you've got.

It does however say that this latex will fall apart rather quickly if "exposed to the elements" (rain?), although I have not noticed it falling apart in my bedroom... :-)

Also, have you looked at a cotton futon as an alternative to latex?

Marc

Good luck, Sveta,
 
I hope that works for you.  My sofa foam was mostly covered with a light cotton, so the baking soda sat on top of the cotton covering.  Some places it was uncovered foam and it didn't seem to soak into it.  (I did use it dry, not in solution.)
 
Hope you find something which works,
Diane

--- On Wed, 6/1/11, svetaswan <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: svetaswan <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: mattress question (response to Diane, plus more)
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, June 1, 2011, 12:29 PM


 



Hi Diane,

Thanks so much for the suggestion. However, signs point to this remedy not really being an option with this latex. My recent observations of this latex give me the impression that it is not a very stable material - I see little "pits", tears, and "erosion" that I don't think were there when the latex first arrived. This doesn't look like something onto which you want to be sprinkling baking soda. I kinda doubt I would be allowed to do this.

I've been getting the impression that foam may actually be a more stable material than latex. This could be a last resort (I'm still not ready to give up on latex quite yet) - but I could get a foam mattress, and possibly do what you did to deal with the fumes. Many foam/mattress companies might not have as generous of a policy, though - as far as allowing one to do that without voiding the warranty.

Did the baking soda disappear into the foam, or does/did it just "sit" there?

But here is a page that basically confirms my impressions of latex's relative instability - the entire page is informative, but the "Antioxidant" section gives the most relevant info regarding instability:

http://mattressconsultant.com/dunlopprocess.htm

(I realize the rest of my post veers off in a slightly different direction than the specific sub-topic that Diane was discussing - but I just thought I'd add this, as I try to get to the bottom of the latex mattress "fumes" issue. Maybe I'm simply "thinking aloud", but perhaps someone might find this useful somewhere down the line - particularly the links)

The following page contains a comment (1st comment, 2nd to last paragraph) - that suggests that in order of "odor intensity" - 100% natural Talalay latex smells the most, while the blended Talalay smells the least. Dunlop is somewhere in the middle. This might just be someone's own personal opinion - but it seems to be in line with what my own experience might be, based on what I've observed so far. Seemingly-informative page, overall:

http://greenlivingqa.com/content/royal-pedic-quilted-latex-matt

My own impressions are that, while the 100% natural Talalay may have a moderately more intense odor than the blended Talalay - the 100% natural Talalay has a "cleaner" odor that suggests pure rubber, while the blended Talalay has more of a "chemical", "petroleum" smell by comparison. (Then again, the "purer" smell of the 100% natural latex might be due to the influence of the vanilla scent that's added to it. I can only *faintly* detect a vanilla scent, but it seems to be well-blended into the overall latex smell and may have some influence on my impressions.)

And as I said, "odor" and "offgassing" might be two different things: the 100% natural Talalay might have a more-intense odor overall (then again, I can't make a fair comparison because my blended-Talalay mattress has been in use for about 8 weeks, while my 100% natural Talalay samples arrived just last week), but this doesn't necessarily mean that the 100% natural would be more bothersome. It may actually be *less* bothersome - since the composition is different. I still can't say whether my symptoms would abate with the 100% natural, though - so far, it's been difficult to make that assessment.

I also wonder if the manufacturer of the latex might factor into how a mattress smells or offgasses. I came across a page that stated that some companies have more of a proprietary approach to the Talalay manufacturing process - supposedly, some companies don't even disclose everything they add to the latex. I can't find the source right now - but IIRC, the source might have been affiliated with a latex retailer. This statement could have been based more on ulterior motives than reality - then again, there could be some truth, there.

Here's a page in which Dunlop latex is touted as the overall superior, more reliable choice over Talalay (for whatever this source is worth):

http://www.habitatfurnishings.com/blog/?p=7

Here's a page that states that blended Talalay latex has more synthetic antioxidants added to prevent discoloration:

http://www.savvyrest.com/why-savvy-rest/variations-in-natural-latex

Anyway, I recently realized that Marc's and Bill's latex could have come from a different manufacturer, and it could have something to do with why they have had a different experience than I've had. The manufacturer of my latex is Latex International.

Overall, I'm wondering if a 100% natural Dunlop latex mattress, and/or a latex mattress from a different manufacturer - might be a better choice for me.

~Svetaswan

--- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, Svetaswan,
>  
> I have been meaning to write you with another idea entirely.  In 2008, I bought an Ikea sofa.  Ikea is supposed to be very eco-conscious, etc, so, since their removable covers are all cotton and all the fire-retardant is on them, I thought, "Great!  I can just wash the covers in the washer with baking soda over and over till I get the fire-retardant out."  Well, it didn't quite work out that way.  It was not the covers that bothered me; it was the foam cushions that stunk to high heavens!  So, then I thought I could just out-gas it--it was in a closed off unused room with cross ventilation for 8 months.  Winter was coming and it still smelled as bad as day one.  I called Ikea and they actually agreed to take it back, but I asked if I tried baking soda on it would they still return it?  And they said, yes, they would.  So I took a couple super size boxes of baking soda and covered the sofa all over with a
 layer of baking soda (in the







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I've only looked a little bit at cotton/wool futons.  It's difficult to switch directions and start all over again, for one - and to look at cotton/wool mattresses would be sort-of like starting from scratch.  Heck, it took me a long time to get enough energy and initiative to buy the latex mattress...so it's a real bummer that the ordeal isn't over.

And I'm concerned about the long-term comfort & support that a cotton/wool futon would offer - especially for someone with my physical dimensions.

I wonder what kind of foundation those require?  I wonder if a wood-slat foundation (which is what is often used for latex mattresses) is sufficient?

But cotton/wool may actually be the wisest option, or it may turn out to be the only option.  From what I've learned about latex mattresses, it's possible that all of them may give me problems to a certain degree.

I've put in an inquiry to foamorder - hopefully I didn't reveal too much, and they aren't scared away by my questions!

~Svetaswan



--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote:

> I wonder what kind of foundation those require?  I wonder if a wood-slat foundation (which is what is often used for
> latex mattresses) is sufficient?

I don't think the slats work well for latex mattresses either -- there's a "lumpy" feeling while sleeping on it.  After getting our first latex mattress, I went down the local lumber store, found some high quality plywood that didn't smell bad, and had them cut me two large pieces that I put on top of the slats.  Problem solved.

Marc

Hello everyone

Apologies for not being at the forum for a good while and only posting now but I
haven't been at the forum for good reason - i have lost my internet connection
and am having to make the transition from dial up (which I could use so kept
despite paying through the nose for a very poor service) to broadband - my only
problem is it all seems to be done via wireless hubs and things like that. I had
hoped to get an adsl voice router from BT ( i think it is called a voyager 220v)
which my Dad uses at his house and which I know I can use without too much pain
but they don't do this any more and say that in order to get broadband from them
I would have to get one of their wireless hubs. I tentatively raised my health
concerns about wireless broadband with the guy I spoke to on the phone - he prob
thought I was a total nutter - and he said that if I coneected it using the USB
cable which is supplied with it and ignored the sim card then that would
effectively convert it into wired broadband (as opposed to wireless) and there
would not then be any wireless waves in my house.


I am embarassed to admit that I am a tech and pc imbecile and am wondering can
any of those of you who are tech minded confirm whether the advice he has given
me is accurate or not . Also I was wondering can anyone advise me how best to
get broadband (in the UK that is) with least problem for electrosensitives??

I am sorry if I am asking something which has already been dealt with elsewhere
on the forum but I am emailing from the public library and only have a very
limited time on the computer and didn't have time to check the arcjhive.

My best to you all

Steph




________________________________
From: Evie <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Sat, 28 May, 2011 20:57:01
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: wi-fi

 
Hi Pamela,
 
Sorry, I am only online on weekends, so I am just getting to this email!
 
I use 2 cups (1 pound) of baking soda/ bath.  My tub is a standard 3 by 5 feet
and holds about 11 inches of water.
 
I don't remember the recipe for lemons.  One thing here: lemons mess with my
digestive acids a bit too much, so I personally couldn't continue that therapy. 
Alkalized water drops (a supplement which added minerals to raise the pH of
drinking water) worked very well for me, tho.  Hydrogen supplements (like
Hydrogen Booster and Mega-H) raise pH too.
 
Hope this helps you!
Diane

--- On Mon, 5/23/11, pamela clemonts <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: pamela clemonts <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: wi-fi
To: [hidden email], evie [hidden email]
Date: Monday, May 23, 2011, 10:39 PM

 

Diane,
 
Thanks so much for your advice. I was wondering how much baking soda you suggest
for the bath? There's something else about the relationship between lemon juice
and purified water and making the body more alkaline.  I never got the ratio
correct (how many parts lemon juice to what amount of water). PC

--- On Mon, 5/23/11, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Evie <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: wi-fi
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, May 23, 2011, 2:29 PM

 

Hi, Pamela,
 
Have you ever tried bathing in baking soda?  Wow, you are in a very acidic
environment, daily.  Baking soda bathing will not do wonders, but it should help
some.  Raising your pH in other ways might help also.  (Soak your hair in the
baking soda, too, but
don't wash your hair with shampoo or your body with soap after soaking in
bathing soda, btw; just shower off and rinse the soda off.) 

 
Raising your body frequency, chi, whatever you want to call it--and pH--are each
empowering to a person, also.  Some people just exude power; do you know what I
mean?  When they walk into a room, without doing anything consciously, they just
own the space and you know they are a force to be reckoned with.  Another
person can walk into a room and you know they are a push over.  As Westerners,
we think of empowerment as being something we consciously work for or do.  In
Eastern countries, they emphasize empowerment from within.  Both might be
needed, but I see a difference in my life luck-wise (how easily things flow
for me), and in how people treat me (who do not know me), AND ES-wise just
from improving my pH and trying to bring more good chi and good frequencies into
my life.
 
Hope this helps you,
Diane

--- On Mon, 5/23/11, pamela clemonts <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: pamela clemonts <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: wi-fi
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, May 23, 2011, 12:33 PM

 

Wow,
 
This reality of ours really hits on the theme of power vs. powerlessness.  I,
too feel powerless at times... at home, because of all the extraneous electronic
noise that comes in from the busy street that I live on and the residents and
visitors with cell phones and bad attitudes within the house which seem to be
multiplied by the microwaves.  But also at work (a hospital) where laptops are
in multiple usage and WIFI is available to all and cell phones rule the roost. 

 
I feel a bit better now since getting some of the fabric manufactured by LessEMF
at 50db atttenuation. Where I used to confront people all the time as they would
near me with cell phones (new age weaponry to my body) and push their
friggin'laptops right up to my work area.

 
The loose piece of fabric only helps to make me more tolerant, but doesn't
completely protect me.  I need to have a wardrobe made.  Metallic threads are
very expensive to make into garments.  One must crawl before walking.
 
Parents do exert a considerable amount of influence as do one's boss and one's
spouse, even one's children have influence.  Andrew is right when he says we
must be empowered.  Maybe that's why some of us came down with this thing.  We
are the vanguard.  Sadly, we are the ones who are forced to listen to and
embrace the microwave warnings because everyone else thinks that any harm may be
a decade away, if at all...and we know right now that harm is being done.
 
Parents are at potential risk as well, especially from cell phones.  There is
just no way to ride two horses with one butt. I truly believe that we will
become empowered and I am so happy to see those of us making strides to change
this dismal future.  But if we don't who will? 

 
Global society is deaf, dumb and blind (consciously) to what may very well rivot
our human genome over the next 50 years.  Cigarettes ain't seen nothing. FiGHT
FOR YOUR RIGHT TO A HEALTHY ENVIRONMENT, or maybe perish!  These are fighting
words in a time where war has been silently waged against us.

--- On Mon, 5/23/11, Andrew McAfee <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Andrew McAfee <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: wi-fi
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, May 23, 2011, 8:37 AM

 

So you are saying that you HAVE to stay somewhere that has Wi-Fi and you cannot
turn it off because the social order is such that it is better to have it on
than suffer the emotions/relationship problems to turn it off?

That pisses me off that you would allow that condition in your life and not
value yourself enough to take care of your self either by leaving or waking
these people up to your reality.

You can see this triggers my emotions and so obviously has nothing to do with
you.

Get creative with your solutions. Simply remove/unscrew the antennas from the
Wi-Fi router and use cables/cords to the computers. They have 50-100 foot long
cables that can run all over the house to where ever people think they need to
have computer access. Download speed will be much higher and access to your
computer much more secure.

You may still need to wrap the router in silver mesh to stop the residual
emissions but this is a hell of a lot better than being radiated 24/7.

At night, get a timer to shut off the router from 11-6am unless someone is
looking at porn all night and doesn't want it off.


Don't settle for this crap. Do something to change your situation.

Andrew

On May 23, 2011, at 6:13 AM, svetaswan wrote:

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Even if you connected via ethernet cable to the wireless hub, you still have to disable wi-fi on the wireless hub. This option (if it exists) is usually in the web portal used to manage the device.  You'd have to check with someone if the BT wireless hub has a software option to disable the wi-fi.

--- In [hidden email], Stephanie Smith <reader41@...> wrote:

Hello Steph

 

Good news for you!

 

I assume you are looking at broadband from BT - well, as I've mentioned here
before, the OLDER BT Home Hub 2.0 is a nightmare with its built-in DECT
phone base station, BUT the great news is that since Feb2011 BT have been
delivering the new Home Hub 3.0 which now does NOT have a DECT phone base
station built in.

I've just put the whole story on BT Home Hubs here:

http://theomegaway.com/hub

 

I just bought a BT Home Hub 3.0 off ebay to test this out and it's true -
AND the WiFi can actually be disabled easily - I've tested it actually does
turn off transmissions with my Electrosmog Detector.

 

AND I've posted comprehensive instructions and pictures of HOW to disable
wireless on a Home Hub 3.0 here:

http://www.theomegaway.com/How_to_turn_off_Wireless.html

 

So, if you order from BT just make sure it's a Home Hub 3.0 (not 2.0) they
send you - I understand that ALL new orders are going out with 3.0, but best
to get them to confirm)

 

Don't forget to disable the WiFi on your laptop/pc too!

 

You will then have a broadband that is perfect for sensitives. There are 4
network cable sockets on the back, so you can easily connect several
computers - more about all that, and more on the home page:
http://theomegaway.com <http://theomegaway.com/>  

 

If you have any questions, just reply here, or call me - phone no. is on
that website contact page!

 

All the best

John Jamieson

 

 

 

 

  _____  

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
Stephanie Smith
Sent: 03 June 2011 17:24
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: wi-fi - and wireless broadband - urgent help needed

 

 

Hello everyone

Apologies for not being at the forum for a good while and only posting now
but I
haven't been at the forum for good reason - i have lost my internet
connection
and am having to make the transition from dial up (which I could use so kept

despite paying through the nose for a very poor service) to broadband - my
only
problem is it all seems to be done via wireless hubs and things like that. I
had
hoped to get an adsl voice router from BT ( i think it is called a voyager
220v)
which my Dad uses at his house and which I know I can use without too much
pain
but they don't do this any more and say that in order to get broadband from
them
I would have to get one of their wireless hubs. I tentatively raised my
health
concerns about wireless broadband with the guy I spoke to on the phone - he
prob
thought I was a total nutter - and he said that if I coneected it using the
USB
cable which is supplied with it and ignored the sim card then that would
effectively convert it into wired broadband (as opposed to wireless) and
there
would not then be any wireless waves in my house.

I am embarassed to admit that I am a tech and pc imbecile and am wondering
can
any of those of you who are tech minded confirm whether the advice he has
given
me is accurate or not . Also I was wondering can anyone advise me how best
to
get broadband (in the UK that is) with least problem for electrosensitives??

I am sorry if I am asking something which has already been dealt with
elsewhere
on the forum but I am emailing from the public library and only have a very
limited time on the computer and didn't have time to check the arcjhive.

My best to you all

Steph

________________________________
From: Evie <[hidden email] <mailto:evie15422%40yahoo.com> >
To: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, 28 May, 2011 20:57:01
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: wi-fi

 
Hi Pamela,
 
Sorry, I am only online on weekends, so I am just getting to this email!
 
I use 2 cups (1 pound) of baking soda/ bath.  My tub is a standard 3 by 5
feet
and holds about 11 inches of water.
 
I don't remember the recipe for lemons.  One thing here: lemons mess with my

digestive acids a bit too much, so I personally couldn't continue that
therapy.  
Alkalized water drops (a supplement which added minerals to raise the pH of
drinking water) worked very well for me, tho.  Hydrogen supplements (like
Hydrogen Booster and Mega-H) raise pH too.
 
Hope this helps you!
Diane

--- On Mon, 5/23/11, pamela clemonts <[hidden email]
<mailto:adiaha22%40yahoo.com> > wrote:

From: pamela clemonts <[hidden email] <mailto:adiaha22%40yahoo.com> >
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: wi-fi
To: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> , evie
[hidden email] <mailto:15422%40yahoo.com>
Date: Monday, May 23, 2011, 10:39 PM

 

Diane,
 
Thanks so much for your advice. I was wondering how much baking soda you
suggest
for the bath? There's something else about the relationship between lemon
juice
and purified water and making the body more alkaline.  I never got the ratio

correct (how many parts lemon juice to what amount of water). PC

--- On Mon, 5/23/11, Evie <[hidden email]
<mailto:evie15422%40yahoo.com> > wrote:

From: Evie <[hidden email] <mailto:evie15422%40yahoo.com> >
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: wi-fi
To: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, May 23, 2011, 2:29 PM

 

Hi, Pamela,
 
Have you ever tried bathing in baking soda?  Wow, you are in a very acidic
environment, daily.  Baking soda bathing will not do wonders, but it should
help
some.  Raising your pH in other ways might help also.  (Soak your hair in
the
baking soda, too, but
don't wash your hair with shampoo or your body with soap after soaking in
bathing soda, btw; just shower off and rinse the soda off.)  

 
Raising your body frequency, chi, whatever you want to call it--and pH--are
each
empowering to a person, also.  Some people just exude power; do you know
what I
mean?  When they walk into a room, without doing anything consciously, they
just
own the space and you know they are a force to be reckoned with.  Another
person can walk into a room and you know they are a push over.  As
Westerners,
we think of empowerment as being something we consciously work for or do.
In
Eastern countries, they emphasize empowerment from within.  Both might be
needed, but I see a difference in my life luck-wise (how easily things flow
for me), and in how people treat me (who do not know me), AND ES-wise just
from improving my pH and trying to bring more good chi and good frequencies
into
my life.
 
Hope this helps you,
Diane

--- On Mon, 5/23/11, pamela clemonts <[hidden email]
<mailto:adiaha22%40yahoo.com> > wrote:

From: pamela clemonts <[hidden email] <mailto:adiaha22%40yahoo.com> >
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: wi-fi
To: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, May 23, 2011, 12:33 PM

 

Wow,
 
This reality of ours really hits on the theme of power vs. powerlessness.
I,
too feel powerless at times... at home, because of all the extraneous
electronic
noise that comes in from the busy street that I live on and the residents
and
visitors with cell phones and bad attitudes within the house which seem to
be
multiplied by the microwaves.  But also at work (a hospital) where laptops
are
in multiple usage and WIFI is available to all and cell phones rule the
roost.  

 
I feel a bit better now since getting some of the fabric manufactured by
LessEMF
at 50db atttenuation. Where I used to confront people all the time as they
would
near me with cell phones (new age weaponry to my body) and push their
friggin'laptops right up to my work area.

 
The loose piece of fabric only helps to make me more tolerant, but doesn't
completely protect me.  I need to have a wardrobe made.  Metallic threads
are
very expensive to make into garments.  One must crawl before walking.
 
Parents do exert a considerable amount of influence as do one's boss and
one's
spouse, even one's children have influence.  Andrew is right when he says we

must be empowered.  Maybe that's why some of us came down with this thing.
We
are the vanguard.  Sadly, we are the ones who are forced to listen to and
embrace the microwave warnings because everyone else thinks that any harm
may be
a decade away, if at all...and we know right now that harm is being done.
 
Parents are at potential risk as well, especially from cell phones.  There
is
just no way to ride two horses with one butt. I truly believe that we will
become empowered and I am so happy to see those of us making strides to
change
this dismal future.  But if we don't who will?  

 
Global society is deaf, dumb and blind (consciously) to what may very well
rivot
our human genome over the next 50 years.  Cigarettes ain't seen nothing.
FiGHT
FOR YOUR RIGHT TO A HEALTHY ENVIRONMENT, or maybe perish!  These are
fighting
words in a time where war has been silently waged against us.

--- On Mon, 5/23/11, Andrew McAfee <[hidden email]
<mailto:amcafeerr%40nc.rr.com> > wrote:

From: Andrew McAfee <[hidden email] <mailto:amcafeerr%40nc.rr.com> >
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: wi-fi
To: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, May 23, 2011, 8:37 AM

 

So you are saying that you HAVE to stay somewhere that has Wi-Fi and you
cannot
turn it off because the social order is such that it is better to have it on

than suffer the emotions/relationship problems to turn it off?

That pisses me off that you would allow that condition in your life and not
value yourself enough to take care of your self either by leaving or waking
these people up to your reality.

You can see this triggers my emotions and so obviously has nothing to do
with
you.

Get creative with your solutions. Simply remove/unscrew the antennas from
the
Wi-Fi router and use cables/cords to the computers. They have 50-100 foot
long
cables that can run all over the house to where ever people think they need
to
have computer access. Download speed will be much higher and access to your
computer much more secure.

You may still need to wrap the router in silver mesh to stop the residual
emissions but this is a hell of a lot better than being radiated 24/7.

At night, get a timer to shut off the router from 11-6am unless someone is
looking at porn all night and doesn't want it off.

Don't settle for this crap. Do something to change your situation.

Andrew

On May 23, 2011, at 6:13 AM, svetaswan wrote:

>
>
> Emraware,
>
> You seem to have assumed that I was referring to you. I wasn't addressing
that
>to you - unless you post under several different screenames that I'm not
aware
>of? It was someone else who once suggested that I could disable the
wireless
>router remotely, through software or via the Internet.
>
> And like I've said several times before, I'm in a living situation where I

>don't have the power to make the household decisions that many of you may
take
>for granted. So it's not that I don't know about the dangers of wireless -
which
>is what you seem to have presumed - it's just that I can't do much about
it. If
>I had the authority, I would have gotten rid of WiFi a long time ago. As it
is,
>I have to do what is within my power - which isn't as much as you or a lot
of
>other people can do.
>
> I may not be able to get rid of WiFi - but at least I can make it a little
more
>"comfortable". It's a good thing that I can do this much - or I would
probably
>be in a *very* bad place now (not that my situation is exactly good or safe

>now).
>
>
> It's a good thing that my parents are in some ways even less computer
savvy
>than I am - they didn't even realize that I had made those changes to the
WiFi
>settings. They wouldn't have ever had to know....but I did end up
mentioning it
>to them on a couple of occasions. They still may not fully understand what
I
>did. Apparently they don't even care that much - as long as the router
remains
>on and the computers can still access the Internet.
>
> Our router is located in the basement - so we're not exactly at "ground
>zero"...but it seems to be a very strong router - much stronger than our
old
>Comcast router (which was the white, Netgear router). I don't remember
feeling
>the Comcast router, unless I was at ground zero.
>
> There appears to be an option where you can command the wireless adapter
to
>operate on lower power. There are 4 settings for the wireless adapter:
"maximum
>performance", "low power saving", "medium power saving", & "maximum power
>saving". Apparently, the wireless adapter is on the "maximum performance"
when
>it's plugged in - then goes to "low power saving" on battery. I guess I
should
>try to lower these settings and see how my computer does - I've never tried

>"medium power saving" or "maximum power saving".
>
>
> There is even a button on the computer itself where if you press it, it
turns
>off the wireless adapter. But I don't really have the option of turning it
>completely off - I pretty much have to use wireless.
>
> In the manual for this computer - it is recommended that you remain at
least 8
>inches from the wireless antenna - which is located inside of the upper
margin
>of the screen, apparently. Supposedly you are within the government's
"safe"
>exposure limits when you are 8 inches away - although that's probably not
saying
>much...
>
> ~Svetaswan
>
> --- In [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> , "emraware"
<emraware@...> wrote:
>>
>>> Another thing that I finally started doing was dialing down the power
output of
>>>our satanic AT&T WiFry router. I remember you telling me that I could do
this
>>
>> Svetaswan,
>>
>> I don't remember ever suggesting this. I use a wired router w/ ethernet
cables
>>instead of a wireless router.
>>
>> Even if you lower your Wi-Fi router's power, that's only half of the
equation.
>>Your dominant exposure is probably from Wi-Fi on your laptop-- which would
be
>>right next to you... Does your laptop have a similar "dial-down" option?
>>
>> One acquaintance of mine tested a wi-fi router and found at a distance of
1
>>meter, the radiation was the same as that of a cell phone held directly to
the
>>head. I think some laptops might be similar? IMO, one should "disable"
Wi-Fi on
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PS not wanting to teach Grandmother to suck eggs, but you don't have a DECT
digital cordless phone in your home do you (or close neighbour)? As you
probably know - that will most likely floor you :-( Again my home page goes
into this extensively: http://theomegaway.com <http://theomegaway.com/>  

 

  _____  

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
Stephanie Smith
Sent: 03 June 2011 17:24
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: wi-fi - and wireless broadband - urgent help needed

 

 

Hello everyone

Apologies for not being at the forum for a good while and only posting now
but I
haven't been at the forum for good reason - i have lost my internet
connection
and am having to make the transition from dial up (which I could use so kept

despite paying through the nose for a very poor service) to broadband - my
only
problem is it all seems to be done via wireless hubs and things like that. I
had
hoped to get an adsl voice router from BT ( i think it is called a voyager
220v)
which my Dad uses at his house and which I know I can use without too much
pain
but they don't do this any more and say that in order to get broadband from
them
I would have to get one of their wireless hubs. I tentatively raised my
health
concerns about wireless broadband with the guy I spoke to on the phone - he
prob
thought I was a total nutter - and he said that if I coneected it using the
USB
cable which is supplied with it and ignored the sim card then that would
effectively convert it into wired broadband (as opposed to wireless) and
there
would not then be any wireless waves in my house.

I am embarassed to admit that I am a tech and pc imbecile and am wondering
can
any of those of you who are tech minded confirm whether the advice he has
given
me is accurate or not . Also I was wondering can anyone advise me how best
to
get broadband (in the UK that is) with least problem for electrosensitives??

I am sorry if I am asking something which has already been dealt with
elsewhere
on the forum but I am emailing from the public library and only have a very
limited time on the computer and didn't have time to check the arcjhive.

My best to you all

Steph

________________________________
From: Evie <[hidden email] <mailto:evie15422%40yahoo.com> >
To: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, 28 May, 2011 20:57:01
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: wi-fi

 
Hi Pamela,
 
Sorry, I am only online on weekends, so I am just getting to this email!
 
I use 2 cups (1 pound) of baking soda/ bath.  My tub is a standard 3 by 5
feet
and holds about 11 inches of water.
 
I don't remember the recipe for lemons.  One thing here: lemons mess with my

digestive acids a bit too much, so I personally couldn't continue that
therapy.  
Alkalized water drops (a supplement which added minerals to raise the pH of
drinking water) worked very well for me, tho.  Hydrogen supplements (like
Hydrogen Booster and Mega-H) raise pH too.
 
Hope this helps you!
Diane

--- On Mon, 5/23/11, pamela clemonts <[hidden email]
<mailto:adiaha22%40yahoo.com> > wrote:

From: pamela clemonts <[hidden email] <mailto:adiaha22%40yahoo.com> >
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: wi-fi
To: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> , evie
[hidden email] <mailto:15422%40yahoo.com>
Date: Monday, May 23, 2011, 10:39 PM

 

Diane,
 
Thanks so much for your advice. I was wondering how much baking soda you
suggest
for the bath? There's something else about the relationship between lemon
juice
and purified water and making the body more alkaline.  I never got the ratio

correct (how many parts lemon juice to what amount of water). PC

--- On Mon, 5/23/11, Evie <[hidden email]
<mailto:evie15422%40yahoo.com> > wrote:

From: Evie <[hidden email] <mailto:evie15422%40yahoo.com> >
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: wi-fi
To: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, May 23, 2011, 2:29 PM

 

Hi, Pamela,
 
Have you ever tried bathing in baking soda?  Wow, you are in a very acidic
environment, daily.  Baking soda bathing will not do wonders, but it should
help
some.  Raising your pH in other ways might help also.  (Soak your hair in
the
baking soda, too, but
don't wash your hair with shampoo or your body with soap after soaking in
bathing soda, btw; just shower off and rinse the soda off.)  

 
Raising your body frequency, chi, whatever you want to call it--and pH--are
each
empowering to a person, also.  Some people just exude power; do you know
what I
mean?  When they walk into a room, without doing anything consciously, they
just
own the space and you know they are a force to be reckoned with.  Another
person can walk into a room and you know they are a push over.  As
Westerners,
we think of empowerment as being something we consciously work for or do.
In
Eastern countries, they emphasize empowerment from within.  Both might be
needed, but I see a difference in my life luck-wise (how easily things flow
for me), and in how people treat me (who do not know me), AND ES-wise just
from improving my pH and trying to bring more good chi and good frequencies
into
my life.
 
Hope this helps you,
Diane

--- On Mon, 5/23/11, pamela clemonts <[hidden email]
<mailto:adiaha22%40yahoo.com> > wrote:

From: pamela clemonts <[hidden email] <mailto:adiaha22%40yahoo.com> >
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: wi-fi
To: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, May 23, 2011, 12:33 PM

 

Wow,
 
This reality of ours really hits on the theme of power vs. powerlessness.
I,
too feel powerless at times... at home, because of all the extraneous
electronic
noise that comes in from the busy street that I live on and the residents
and
visitors with cell phones and bad attitudes within the house which seem to
be
multiplied by the microwaves.  But also at work (a hospital) where laptops
are
in multiple usage and WIFI is available to all and cell phones rule the
roost.  

 
I feel a bit better now since getting some of the fabric manufactured by
LessEMF
at 50db atttenuation. Where I used to confront people all the time as they
would
near me with cell phones (new age weaponry to my body) and push their
friggin'laptops right up to my work area.

 
The loose piece of fabric only helps to make me more tolerant, but doesn't
completely protect me.  I need to have a wardrobe made.  Metallic threads
are
very expensive to make into garments.  One must crawl before walking.
 
Parents do exert a considerable amount of influence as do one's boss and
one's
spouse, even one's children have influence.  Andrew is right when he says we

must be empowered.  Maybe that's why some of us came down with this thing.
We
are the vanguard.  Sadly, we are the ones who are forced to listen to and
embrace the microwave warnings because everyone else thinks that any harm
may be
a decade away, if at all...and we know right now that harm is being done.
 
Parents are at potential risk as well, especially from cell phones.  There
is
just no way to ride two horses with one butt. I truly believe that we will
become empowered and I am so happy to see those of us making strides to
change
this dismal future.  But if we don't who will?  

 
Global society is deaf, dumb and blind (consciously) to what may very well
rivot
our human genome over the next 50 years.  Cigarettes ain't seen nothing.
FiGHT
FOR YOUR RIGHT TO A HEALTHY ENVIRONMENT, or maybe perish!  These are
fighting
words in a time where war has been silently waged against us.

--- On Mon, 5/23/11, Andrew McAfee <[hidden email]
<mailto:amcafeerr%40nc.rr.com> > wrote:

From: Andrew McAfee <[hidden email] <mailto:amcafeerr%40nc.rr.com> >
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: wi-fi
To: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, May 23, 2011, 8:37 AM

 

So you are saying that you HAVE to stay somewhere that has Wi-Fi and you
cannot
turn it off because the social order is such that it is better to have it on

than suffer the emotions/relationship problems to turn it off?

That pisses me off that you would allow that condition in your life and not
value yourself enough to take care of your self either by leaving or waking
these people up to your reality.

You can see this triggers my emotions and so obviously has nothing to do
with
you.

Get creative with your solutions. Simply remove/unscrew the antennas from
the
Wi-Fi router and use cables/cords to the computers. They have 50-100 foot
long
cables that can run all over the house to where ever people think they need
to
have computer access. Download speed will be much higher and access to your
computer much more secure.

You may still need to wrap the router in silver mesh to stop the residual
emissions but this is a hell of a lot better than being radiated 24/7.

At night, get a timer to shut off the router from 11-6am unless someone is
looking at porn all night and doesn't want it off.

Don't settle for this crap. Do something to change your situation.

Andrew

On May 23, 2011, at 6:13 AM, svetaswan wrote:

>
>
> Emraware,
>
> You seem to have assumed that I was referring to you. I wasn't addressing
that
>to you - unless you post under several different screenames that I'm not
aware
>of? It was someone else who once suggested that I could disable the
wireless
>router remotely, through software or via the Internet.
>
> And like I've said several times before, I'm in a living situation where I

>don't have the power to make the household decisions that many of you may
take
>for granted. So it's not that I don't know about the dangers of wireless -
which
>is what you seem to have presumed - it's just that I can't do much about
it. If
>I had the authority, I would have gotten rid of WiFi a long time ago. As it
is,
>I have to do what is within my power - which isn't as much as you or a lot
of
>other people can do.
>
> I may not be able to get rid of WiFi - but at least I can make it a little
more
>"comfortable". It's a good thing that I can do this much - or I would
probably
>be in a *very* bad place now (not that my situation is exactly good or safe

>now).
>
>
> It's a good thing that my parents are in some ways even less computer
savvy
>than I am - they didn't even realize that I had made those changes to the
WiFi
>settings. They wouldn't have ever had to know....but I did end up
mentioning it
>to them on a couple of occasions. They still may not fully understand what
I
>did. Apparently they don't even care that much - as long as the router
remains
>on and the computers can still access the Internet.
>
> Our router is located in the basement - so we're not exactly at "ground
>zero"...but it seems to be a very strong router - much stronger than our
old
>Comcast router (which was the white, Netgear router). I don't remember
feeling
>the Comcast router, unless I was at ground zero.
>
> There appears to be an option where you can command the wireless adapter
to
>operate on lower power. There are 4 settings for the wireless adapter:
"maximum
>performance", "low power saving", "medium power saving", & "maximum power
>saving". Apparently, the wireless adapter is on the "maximum performance"
when
>it's plugged in - then goes to "low power saving" on battery. I guess I
should
>try to lower these settings and see how my computer does - I've never tried

>"medium power saving" or "maximum power saving".
>
>
> There is even a button on the computer itself where if you press it, it
turns
>off the wireless adapter. But I don't really have the option of turning it
>completely off - I pretty much have to use wireless.
>
> In the manual for this computer - it is recommended that you remain at
least 8
>inches from the wireless antenna - which is located inside of the upper
margin
>of the screen, apparently. Supposedly you are within the government's
"safe"
>exposure limits when you are 8 inches away - although that's probably not
saying
>much...
>
> ~Svetaswan
>
> --- In [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> , "emraware"
<emraware@...> wrote:
>>
>>> Another thing that I finally started doing was dialing down the power
output of
>>>our satanic AT&T WiFry router. I remember you telling me that I could do
this
>>
>> Svetaswan,
>>
>> I don't remember ever suggesting this. I use a wired router w/ ethernet
cables
>>instead of a wireless router.
>>
>> Even if you lower your Wi-Fi router's power, that's only half of the
equation.
>>Your dominant exposure is probably from Wi-Fi on your laptop-- which would
be
>>right next to you... Does your laptop have a similar "dial-down" option?
>>
>> One acquaintance of mine tested a wi-fi router and found at a distance of
1
>>meter, the radiation was the same as that of a cell phone held directly to
the
>>head. I think some laptops might be similar? IMO, one should "disable"
Wi-Fi on
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> > --- In [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"emraware"

Scary thought! Considering many people spend a significant part of their
day/life sat just inches from their computers with WiFi on, probably more
time than on their mobiles - some even at the same time!

I'm certain the emissions from my actual Laptop are far worse than the WiFi
router.

This is just a theory...   but I'm starting to suspect there are lots of
invisible interactions/relationships that don't help matters.(after using
the nifty EMF Detector Application on my phone - sometimes called a
metal-detector or ghost finder) possibly created between other electric and
metallic objects which we are subjected to and surround ourselves with. I
guess it's basic physics? Electromagnets must be creating some degree of
'charge' on anything nearby, and somehow we're all sat in the middle being
zapped by wave/bubbles of electrons from all directions.

About 4ft from my laptop there is a metal office lamp behind where I sit, as
you get closer to it, the field goes through the roof. Same for the metal
chair I normally sit at, an d the cordless DECT phone a few meters away.
(this isn't my place so I can't really move that stuff).

Fields are weaker when the power lead to the laptop is removed and I use
battery power instead. But since most laptops have no metallic box or
shielding like desktops you're still exposed almost directly to the
circuitry - especially with the keyboard/mouse. It can't be a good thing to
effectively connect strong currents to strong fields? using lots pieces of
electrical equipment close to various microwaves/radio transmitters/signals
for many years (about 20 years since a small child facscinated with playing
about with radio, computer games in my bedroom, clunky old style tvs,
headphones etc) seems to be consistent with my increasing EMS.


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Hi David,

Yes!  You are getting close to a major breakthrough.  What blows one away is that some of these truths have been known to building biologists for a long time.

Surely, you can disable Wi-Fi on your laptop, but again, that's just part of the problem.  A computer plugged into power with a 2-prong plug will expose you to high body voltage and also intermediate frequencies (kHz range).  Both are lower when you unplug the power.

As you probably noticed, even a lamp has electric fields and some kinds of lamps also have high magnetic fields.  Metal helps to conduct electric fields.

In both cases (computer and lamp) there are ways to ground them to reduce the impact, and of course, distance is always helpful.

Yep, DECT, like Wi-Fi, is constantly radiating, and it may even be stronger than Wi-Fi.  It's bursted in a way that the average radiation is low, but the peak is high.

Just an addendum to this situation:

The U.S. government just declared styrene to be a "likely human carcinogen":

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/11/health/11carcinogen.html?_r=1

The synthetic portion of a blended Talalay latex mattress is comprised of something called "styrene-butadiene" latex foam.

If I didn't get the hints before that this mattress is unhealthy - at least for me - then this timely news seems to seal it.

I can't win for losing: I thought I was getting myself into a much healthier situation by replacing my innerspring mattress with this latex - but at this point, it looks like I swapped one poison for another.

I somehow thought that - even though this latex was mostly synthetic - that the synthetic chemicals would be inert & stable, and I wouldn't be affected.  But as my previous posts make clear - I've had quite a reaction to the fumes from this mattress. (Although the reaction waxes and wanes - for some reason, my symptoms have been relatively-calm these past several days.)  So far, at least - this latex seems to be an unstable substance that (slowly) breaks down - perhaps this is why/how the fumes are released.  It doesn't exactly seem out-of-the-question that I'm breathing in & absorbing styrene (or its breakdown-product).

From my point-of-view, I was hoodwinked - swayed by the claims from these retailers and manufacturers that this is a safe and healthy option.  It may or may not be "safe" for the average adult - maybe the concentrations of these volatile emissions are actually quite low. But my personal experiences have given me enough reason to doubt whether retailers/manufacturers are being entirely upfront about everything.

The "100% natural" latex mattresses may be (much) less of a risk for most people - but the odor of 100% natural still seems quite strong to me...& I just don't think it's healthy for me, personally to be sleeping on something that emits that type of odor.  I have a history of a type of pica that involves a compulsion to sniff various inhalants - and the smell of latex - especially 100% natural latex - reminds me very much of the type of odors/fumes that I have shown an "addiction" to (although I have shown much stronger cravings for the fumes from rubbing alcohol & nail-polish remover). At the very least, having a latex mattress is like inviting into my bedroom a large source of something I can use to satisfy my pica-like cravings whenever they flare up - perpetuating that unhealthy tendency.

That's not to say that everyone will experience the odor of latex the same way - Marc's posts here, for one - show that people vary in their sensitivity levels.

~Svetaswan


--- In [hidden email], "svetaswan" <svetaswan@...> wrote:

Hi john

Thanks for your help and for sending me these links - your site is great!

I am wondering about 2 things - firstly my Dad has an old BT ADSL router which
they supplied him with when he first got his broadband and then they upgraded
him to a newer ADSL version, but didn't take away the old one - do you think
would I be able to use that old ADSL if I got BT broadband [and just never
bother with their home hub which they will send with the package? secondly - [if
I can't use my Dad's  old ADSL router and have to use their home hub - even the
3.0 version] while I don;t have a dect phone my next door neighbour (whose house
is about 2.5 m away from mine) does have a dect phone - would this mean that the
3.0 BT hub [even with wireless disabled] would be likely to cause me problems?


I am sorry if I am asking what are to anyone else very obvious questions, but I
am a total tech novice and whatever help or advicwe you can offer would be
grwatly appreciated.

Many thanks

Steph


 



________________________________
From: John Jamieson <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Sat, 4 June, 2011 10:34:41
Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: wi-fi - and wireless broadband - urgent help needed

 
Hello Steph

Good news for you!

I assume you are looking at broadband from BT - well, as I've mentioned here
before, the OLDER BT Home Hub 2.0 is a nightmare with its built-in DECT
phone base station, BUT the great news is that since Feb2011 BT have been
delivering the new Home Hub 3.0 which now does NOT have a DECT phone base
station built in.

I've just put the whole story on BT Home Hubs here:

http://theomegaway.com/hub

I just bought a BT Home Hub 3.0 off ebay to test this out and it's true -
AND the WiFi can actually be disabled easily - I've tested it actually does
turn off transmissions with my Electrosmog Detector.

AND I've posted comprehensive instructions and pictures of HOW to disable
wireless on a Home Hub 3.0 here:

http://www.theomegaway.com/How_to_turn_off_Wireless.html

So, if you order from BT just make sure it's a Home Hub 3.0 (not 2.0) they
send you - I understand that ALL new orders are going out with 3.0, but best
to get them to confirm)

Don't forget to disable the WiFi on your laptop/pc too!

You will then have a broadband that is perfect for sensitives. There are 4
network cable sockets on the back, so you can easily connect several
computers - more about all that, and more on the home page:
http://theomegaway.com <http://theomegaway.com/>

If you have any questions, just reply here, or call me - phone no. is on
that website contact page!

All the best

John Jamieson

_____

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
Stephanie Smith
Sent: 03 June 2011 17:24
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: wi-fi - and wireless broadband - urgent help needed

Hello everyone

Apologies for not being at the forum for a good while and only posting now
but I
haven't been at the forum for good reason - i have lost my internet
connection
and am having to make the transition from dial up (which I could use so kept

despite paying through the nose for a very poor service) to broadband - my
only
problem is it all seems to be done via wireless hubs and things like that. I
had
hoped to get an adsl voice router from BT ( i think it is called a voyager
220v)
which my Dad uses at his house and which I know I can use without too much
pain
but they don't do this any more and say that in order to get broadband from
them
I would have to get one of their wireless hubs. I tentatively raised my
health
concerns about wireless broadband with the guy I spoke to on the phone - he
prob
thought I was a total nutter - and he said that if I coneected it using the
USB
cable which is supplied with it and ignored the sim card then that would
effectively convert it into wired broadband (as opposed to wireless) and
there
would not then be any wireless waves in my house.

I am embarassed to admit that I am a tech and pc imbecile and am wondering
can
any of those of you who are tech minded confirm whether the advice he has
given
me is accurate or not . Also I was wondering can anyone advise me how best
to
get broadband (in the UK that is) with least problem for electrosensitives??

I am sorry if I am asking something which has already been dealt with
elsewhere
on the forum but I am emailing from the public library and only have a very
limited time on the computer and didn't have time to check the arcjhive.

My best to you all

Steph

________________________________
From: Evie <[hidden email] <mailto:evie15422%40yahoo.com> >
To: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, 28 May, 2011 20:57:01
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: wi-fi

Hi Pamela,

Sorry, I am only online on weekends, so I am just getting to this email!

I use 2 cups (1 pound) of baking soda/ bath. My tub is a standard 3 by 5
feet
and holds about 11 inches of water.

I don't remember the recipe for lemons. One thing here: lemons mess with my

digestive acids a bit too much, so I personally couldn't continue that
therapy.
Alkalized water drops (a supplement which added minerals to raise the pH of
drinking water) worked very well for me, tho. Hydrogen supplements (like
Hydrogen Booster and Mega-H) raise pH too.

Hope this helps you!
Diane

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<mailto:adiaha22%40yahoo.com> > wrote:

From: pamela clemonts <[hidden email] <mailto:adiaha22%40yahoo.com> >
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: wi-fi
To: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> , evie
[hidden email] <mailto:15422%40yahoo.com>
Date: Monday, May 23, 2011, 10:39 PM

Diane,

Thanks so much for your advice. I was wondering how much baking soda you
suggest
for the bath? There's something else about the relationship between lemon
juice
and purified water and making the body more alkaline. I never got the ratio

correct (how many parts lemon juice to what amount of water). PC

--- On Mon, 5/23/11, Evie <[hidden email]
<mailto:evie15422%40yahoo.com> > wrote:

From: Evie <[hidden email] <mailto:evie15422%40yahoo.com> >
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: wi-fi
To: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, May 23, 2011, 2:29 PM

Hi, Pamela,

Have you ever tried bathing in baking soda? Wow, you are in a very acidic
environment, daily. Baking soda bathing will not do wonders, but it should
help
some. Raising your pH in other ways might help also. (Soak your hair in
the
baking soda, too, but
don't wash your hair with shampoo or your body with soap after soaking in
bathing soda, btw; just shower off and rinse the soda off.)

Raising your body frequency, chi, whatever you want to call it--and pH--are
each
empowering to a person, also. Some people just exude power; do you know
what I
mean? When they walk into a room, without doing anything consciously, they
just
own the space and you know they are a force to be reckoned with. Another
person can walk into a room and you know they are a push over. As
Westerners,
we think of empowerment as being something we consciously work for or do.
In
Eastern countries, they emphasize empowerment from within. Both might be
needed, but I see a difference in my life luck-wise (how easily things flow
for me), and in how people treat me (who do not know me), AND ES-wise just
from improving my pH and trying to bring more good chi and good frequencies
into
my life.

Hope this helps you,
Diane

--- On Mon, 5/23/11, pamela clemonts <[hidden email]
<mailto:adiaha22%40yahoo.com> > wrote:

From: pamela clemonts <[hidden email] <mailto:adiaha22%40yahoo.com> >
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: wi-fi
To: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, May 23, 2011, 12:33 PM

Wow,

This reality of ours really hits on the theme of power vs. powerlessness.
I,
too feel powerless at times... at home, because of all the extraneous
electronic
noise that comes in from the busy street that I live on and the residents
and
visitors with cell phones and bad attitudes within the house which seem to
be
multiplied by the microwaves. But also at work (a hospital) where laptops
are
in multiple usage and WIFI is available to all and cell phones rule the
roost.

I feel a bit better now since getting some of the fabric manufactured by
LessEMF
at 50db atttenuation. Where I used to confront people all the time as they
would
near me with cell phones (new age weaponry to my body) and push their
friggin'laptops right up to my work area.

The loose piece of fabric only helps to make me more tolerant, but doesn't
completely protect me. I need to have a wardrobe made. Metallic threads
are
very expensive to make into garments. One must crawl before walking.

Parents do exert a considerable amount of influence as do one's boss and
one's
spouse, even one's children have influence. Andrew is right when he says we

must be empowered. Maybe that's why some of us came down with this thing.
We
are the vanguard. Sadly, we are the ones who are forced to listen to and
embrace the microwave warnings because everyone else thinks that any harm
may be
a decade away, if at all...and we know right now that harm is being done.

Parents are at potential risk as well, especially from cell phones. There
is
just no way to ride two horses with one butt. I truly believe that we will
become empowered and I am so happy to see those of us making strides to
change
this dismal future. But if we don't who will?

Global society is deaf, dumb and blind (consciously) to what may very well
rivot
our human genome over the next 50 years. Cigarettes ain't seen nothing.
FiGHT
FOR YOUR RIGHT TO A HEALTHY ENVIRONMENT, or maybe perish! These are
fighting
words in a time where war has been silently waged against us.

--- On Mon, 5/23/11, Andrew McAfee <[hidden email]
<mailto:amcafeerr%40nc.rr.com> > wrote:

From: Andrew McAfee <[hidden email] <mailto:amcafeerr%40nc.rr.com> >
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: wi-fi
To: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, May 23, 2011, 8:37 AM

So you are saying that you HAVE to stay somewhere that has Wi-Fi and you
cannot
turn it off because the social order is such that it is better to have it on

than suffer the emotions/relationship problems to turn it off?

That pisses me off that you would allow that condition in your life and not
value yourself enough to take care of your self either by leaving or waking
these people up to your reality.

You can see this triggers my emotions and so obviously has nothing to do
with
you.

Get creative with your solutions. Simply remove/unscrew the antennas from
the
Wi-Fi router and use cables/cords to the computers. They have 50-100 foot
long
cables that can run all over the house to where ever people think they need
to
have computer access. Download speed will be much higher and access to your
computer much more secure.

You may still need to wrap the router in silver mesh to stop the residual
emissions but this is a hell of a lot better than being radiated 24/7.

At night, get a timer to shut off the router from 11-6am unless someone is
looking at porn all night and doesn't want it off.

Don't settle for this crap. Do something to change your situation.

Andrew

On May 23, 2011, at 6:13 AM, svetaswan wrote:

>
>
> Emraware,
>
> You seem to have assumed that I was referring to you. I wasn't addressing
that
>to you - unless you post under several different screenames that I'm not
aware
>of? It was someone else who once suggested that I could disable the
wireless
>router remotely, through software or via the Internet.
>
> And like I've said several times before, I'm in a living situation where I

>don't have the power to make the household decisions that many of you may
take
>for granted. So it's not that I don't know about the dangers of wireless -
which
>is what you seem to have presumed - it's just that I can't do much about
it. If
>I had the authority, I would have gotten rid of WiFi a long time ago. As it
is,
>I have to do what is within my power - which isn't as much as you or a lot
of
>other people can do.
>
> I may not be able to get rid of WiFi - but at least I can make it a little
more
>"comfortable". It's a good thing that I can do this much - or I would
probably
>be in a *very* bad place now (not that my situation is exactly good or safe

>now).
>
>
> It's a good thing that my parents are in some ways even less computer
savvy
>than I am - they didn't even realize that I had made those changes to the
WiFi
>settings. They wouldn't have ever had to know....but I did end up
mentioning it
>to them on a couple of occasions. They still may not fully understand what
I
>did. Apparently they don't even care that much - as long as the router
remains
>on and the computers can still access the Internet.
>
> Our router is located in the basement - so we're not exactly at "ground
>zero"...but it seems to be a very strong router - much stronger than our
old
>Comcast router (which was the white, Netgear router). I don't remember
feeling
>the Comcast router, unless I was at ground zero.
>
> There appears to be an option where you can command the wireless adapter
to
>operate on lower power. There are 4 settings for the wireless adapter:
"maximum
>performance", "low power saving", "medium power saving", & "maximum power
>saving". Apparently, the wireless adapter is on the "maximum performance"
when
>it's plugged in - then goes to "low power saving" on battery. I guess I
should
>try to lower these settings and see how my computer does - I've never tried

>"medium power saving" or "maximum power saving".
>
>
> There is even a button on the computer itself where if you press it, it
turns
>off the wireless adapter. But I don't really have the option of turning it
>completely off - I pretty much have to use wireless.
>
> In the manual for this computer - it is recommended that you remain at
least 8
>inches from the wireless antenna - which is located inside of the upper
margin
>of the screen, apparently. Supposedly you are within the government's
"safe"
>exposure limits when you are 8 inches away - although that's probably not
saying
>much...
>
> ~Svetaswan
>
> --- In [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> , "emraware"
<emraware@...> wrote:
>>
>>> Another thing that I finally started doing was dialing down the power
output of
>>>our satanic AT&T WiFry router. I remember you telling me that I could do
this
>>
>> Svetaswan,
>>
>> I don't remember ever suggesting this. I use a wired router w/ ethernet
cables
>>instead of a wireless router.
>>
>> Even if you lower your Wi-Fi router's power, that's only half of the
equation.
>>Your dominant exposure is probably from Wi-Fi on your laptop-- which would
be
>>right next to you... Does your laptop have a similar "dial-down" option?
>>
>> One acquaintance of mine tested a wi-fi router and found at a distance of
1
>>meter, the radiation was the same as that of a cell phone held directly to
the
>>head. I think some laptops might be similar? IMO, one should "disable"
Wi-Fi on
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Latex smells bother me also. That's why I think the only safe mattress would be the cotton organic futon plus wool so fire retardant won't be needed. There are also organic mattresses out there but they have metal in them or latex.
Steve

--- In [hidden email], "svetaswan" <svetaswan@...> wrote:

Yeah, it looks like a cotton-wool, or all-wool futon/mattress set-up is the direction I have to go in, too.  I'm trying to make some moves in that direction. (I have to get on the ball: the return period for the latex mattress will expire in a couple of weeks.)  Someone provided a great link to a site earlier in this thread (thanks!) - I'm going to try to check it out.

http://www.downtoearthhome.com/Products/?category=mattresses&product=futons

Here are a couple of links to sites that sell all-wool mattresses:

http://www.surroundewe.com/Products.asp?d=0&ID=8

http://www.shepherdsdream.com/p-25-all-natural-5-wool-mattress.aspx


~Svetaswan




--- In [hidden email], "torch369" <torch369@...> wrote: