Moving away from a power tower

Hi group,

I would like to know if any of you once lived near a major source of EMF, such as a power tower, for an extended period of time and then moved away. This is my situation and I am in the process of looking to purchase a home so that I can move. I am wondering what your experiences with this have beenso that I will have some idea what to expect. I am quite certain that I will indeed feel much better but I do wonder how much irreversible damage hasbeen done to me.

Thanks for sharing!

Cheryl

> but I do wonder how much irreversible damage has been done to me.

I suspect that any damage is reversible, if you find a smart enough
doctor or take enough of the right supplements.

Marc

Thanks for the encouragement, Marc! I don't have any health insurance to see a doctor with but I do take a lot of suppliments and I know it is that that has even kept me alive!

Cheryl
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From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Moving away from a power tower
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, June 12, 2009, 11:21 AM








> but I do wonder how much irreversible damage has been done to me.

I suspect that any damage is reversible, if you find a smart enough
doctor or take enough of the right supplements.

Marc
















     

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> Thanks for the encouragement, Marc! I don't have any health insurance
> to see a doctor with but I do take a lot of suppliments and I know it
> is that that has even kept me alive!

I'm not sure if there is much worth taking for this that would be
covered by most USA health insurance, anyway. Repairing damage is
usually accomplished with vitamins, minerals, enzymes, amino acids,
antioxidants, fatty acids, hormones, herbs, foods, etc.

Marc

Unfortunately it's possible that going from very high EMFs to normal EMFs
may not be good enough to actually recover. Try to get a tri-field meter
adapted
by the company with removable 100x external probe. You also need a good
microwave detector, and consider dirty power and proximity to transmission
lines.
Also air quality, mold, outgassing.

The average house I think is around 0.2 milligauss. That's as low a regular
tri-field can measure. If the power is clean that may be good enough, but
probably the power is dirty, and you should aim for 0.02 or lower. You may
not find this in any house, but if the yard is that low you may be able to
get
the house that low or even lower. Measuring the house with the power off
also gives you an idea of what is possible, but you can probably improve on
that level by removing ground loops.

My house was about .08 when I moved in. Removing ground loops got it to
.03.
I am doing much better than the old house which had 0.3 plus wi-fi next
door.
I am still working on shielding the TV and microwave signals. Aluminum
screens
over windows has made the biggest difference (the walls are stucco with
chicken wire).
On some windows I overlap the screen onto the stucco, use clear 100%
silicone caulk to hold
it in place.

Bill

On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 12:52 PM, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:


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Hi Bill,
 
Thanks for all the info!
 
Although I don't want to answer my own question, as I don't know the answerand that is why I asked, I did want to share the following information.
 
I noticed as I have been house sitting that there has been somewhat of an improvement in my health. This is surprising because I am only about twice as far from the power tower than my house is - the same one. I am now about 100 yards instead of about 50 yards. I am even closer to the lines themselves. The improvement may also be from going from a metal house to a woodenone; both are mobile homes. Also the man that I take care of with Alzheimer's has improved. His behavior is more balanced and the ear-ringing, which was a daily problem before, has totally disappeared! So I am really hopeful that moving even further will help a lot. But I agree with you, the lower you can get the EMF exposure, the better.
 
Cheryl
 --- On Fri, 6/12/09, Bill Bruno <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Bill Bruno <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Moving away from a power tower
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, June 12, 2009, 1:45 PM








Unfortunately it's possible that going from very high EMFs to normal EMFs
may not be good enough to actually recover. Try to get a tri-field meter
adapted
by the company with removable 100x external probe. You also need a good
microwave detector, and consider dirty power and proximity to transmission
lines.
Also air quality, mold, outgassing.

The average house I think is around 0.2 milligauss. That's as low a regular
tri-field can measure. If the power is clean that may be good enough, but
probably the power is dirty, and you should aim for 0.02 or lower. You may
not find this in any house, but if the yard is that low you may be able to
get
the house that low or even lower. Measuring the house with the power off
also gives you an idea of what is possible, but you can probably improve on
that level by removing ground loops.

My house was about .08 when I moved in. Removing ground loops got it to
.03.
I am doing much better than the old house which had 0.3 plus wi-fi next
door.
I am still working on shielding the TV and microwave signals. Aluminum
screens
over windows has made the biggest difference (the walls are stucco with
chicken wire).
On some windows I overlap the screen onto the stucco, use clear 100%
silicone caulk to hold
it in place.

Bill

On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 12:52 PM, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com> wrote:

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I probably should have also said yes, get away from the bad EMFs as soon
as possible.

I think the Alzheimer's observation is very interesting and important.
Try to see if any doctors you know will publish it. A recent paper from
Swiss researchers found EHV power lines double the risk of Alzheimer's.

How long were you at the old house? I think if you can move within a month
or two of having symptoms you may recover quicker without needing ultra low
fields?

Bill

On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Cheryl Griffing
<[hidden email]>wrote:


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Bill,
 
Unfortunately I have been living near this power tower for almost 30 years!For a very long time I didn't know that was why I was so sick all the time. I began to suspect it and then read Lucinda Grants book on electrical sensitivity and I was totally convinced! I decided to move then and I just couldn't afford to because homes were soaring in price and I never figured it would take this long for the market to turn around. I always thought it was just a matter of months. I have been too sick to work more than part-time so having the money  
to move has been very difficult. But I am finally in a position to do so and very excited about it. I can't even imagine what it would be like to wake up in the morning feeling anything other than total exhaustion, to be able to walk outside without being in agony from the sun, to just plain and simple be "normal" again in so many ways. I have been sick for the past 20 years with a multitude of symptoms and I doubt I would be alive if it weren't for the supplements I take. I look forward to even a partial recovery. I am so tired of being sick all the time as I imagine so many people on this site are.
 
Cheryl
--- On Fri, 6/12/09, Bill Bruno <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Bill Bruno <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Moving away from a power tower
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, June 12, 2009, 2:42 PM








I probably should have also said yes, get away from the bad EMFs as soon
as possible.

I think the Alzheimer's observation is very interesting and important.
Try to see if any doctors you know will publish it. A recent paper from
Swiss researchers found EHV power lines double the risk of Alzheimer's.

How long were you at the old house? I think if you can move within a month
or two of having symptoms you may recover quicker without needing ultra low
fields?

Bill

On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Cheryl Griffing
<cheryl_griffing@ yahoo.com>wrote:

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Cheryl,

As well as the Alzheimer's, the reduced ringing in the ears is an important
symptom. Tinnitus is often one of the symptoms and results of ES.

The sun/light sensitivity also often seems to accompany ES. One plausible
theory is that both are due to nerve damage - the myeling sheath on the
outside of the nerves - like stripping the insulation of an electrical wire
so that it is all exposed.

If you got an improvement just by moving from 50 yards to 100 yards away
from the tower, then yes it sounds like you certainly should move house! It
sounds a hopeful sign that such a small move makes things better. Electric
and magnetic fields usually work on an inverse square law, so if you move
twice as far away, the exposure is only one quarter of previous levels. The
metal/wooden house construction probably also makes a difference.

Can you try going to a friend's house to sleep, or somewhere away from tower
and masts, to see if that helps further? My wife Sue went and slept in a
tent by a lake when her ES became unbearable, and her sleep got a lot
better, which then helped her general strength. Sleep is vital to let the
body regenrate!

For most reported cases, ES in its severe form seems to come about after MCS
and similar problems, usually through an immune system malfunction. Have
you had any chemical sensitivity or allergy problems? But there is a
significant minority of people who are otherwise healthy but have contracted
ES through prolonged high exposure. In the UK, Brian Stein is the most
publicised example (high use of early types of mobiles, which may have had
higher exposures thatn modern types). But you could be in the same situation
due to your 30 years of exposure - and maybe also Giles who also has a
recent thread.

Best of luck, Ian

_____

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
Cheryl Griffing
Sent: 12 June 2009 23:19
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [eSens] Moving away from a power tower





Hi Bill,

Unfortunately I have been living near this power tower for almost 30 years!
For a very long time I didn't know that was why I was so sick all the time.
I began to suspect it and then read Lucinda Grants book on electrical
sensitivity and I was totally convinced! I decided to move then and I just
couldn't afford to because homes were soaring in price and I never figured
it would take this long for the market to turn around. I always thought it
was just a matter of months. I have been too sick to work more than
part-time so having the money
to move has been very difficult. But I am finally in a position to do so and
very excited about it. I can't even imagine what it would be like to wake up
in the morning feeling anything other than total exhaustion, to be able to
walk outside without being in agony from the sun, to just plain and simple
be "normal" again in so many ways. I have been sick for the past 20 years
with a multitude of symptoms and I doubt I would be alive if it weren't for
the supplements I take. I look forward to even a partial recovery. I am so
tired of being sick all the time as I imagine so many people on this site
are.

Cheryl
--- On Fri, 6/12/09, Bill Bruno <wbruno@gmail. <mailto:wbruno%40gmail.com>
com> wrote:

From: Bill Bruno <wbruno@gmail. <mailto:wbruno%40gmail.com> com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Moving away from a power tower
To: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com
Date: Friday, June 12, 2009, 2:42 PM

I probably should have also said yes, get away from the bad EMFs as soon
as possible.

I think the Alzheimer's observation is very interesting and important.
Try to see if any doctors you know will publish it. A recent paper from
Swiss researchers found EHV power lines double the risk of Alzheimer's.

How long were you at the old house? I think if you can move within a month
or two of having symptoms you may recover quicker without needing ultra low
fields?

Bill

On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Cheryl Griffing
<cheryl_griffing@ yahoo.com>wrote:

>
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> Thanks for all the info!
>
> Although I don't want to answer my own question, as I don't know the
answer
> and that is why I asked, I did want to share the following information.
>
> I noticed as I have been house sitting that there has been somewhat of an
> improvement in my health. This is surprising because I am only about twice
> as far from the power tower than my house is - the same one. I am now
about
> 100 yards instead of about 50 yards. I am even closer to the lines
> themselves. The improvement may also be from going from a metal house to a
> wooden one; both are mobile homes. Also the man that I take care of with
> Alzheimer's has improved. His behavior is more balanced and the
ear-ringing,
> which was a daily problem before, has totally disappeared! So I am really
> hopeful that moving even further will help a lot. But I agree with you,
the regular
> tri-field can measure. If the power is clean that may be good enough, but
> probably the power is dirty, and you should aim for 0.02 or lower. You may
> not find this in any house, but if the yard is that low you may be able to
> get
> the house that low or even lower. Measuring the house with the power off
> also gives you an idea of what is possible, but you can probably improve
on
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Hi Ian,
 
Thanks so much for in wonderful information you sent me. I printed it out to read over and over.
 
Is the nerve damage irreversible? I am getting so sun sensitive that if I get much worse I won't hardly be able to go outside on a day with any sun atall! When the sun comes in the car window I have to wrap my face and arms with wet towels and put a screen up on the window. I try to avoid driving in the direction in which I will be sun-exposed because it is so difficult.
 
Unfortunately, I have no other place to go now even as an experiment. However, when I did go away in the past there was a definite improvement. Also, the more outside air I get the better. I wish I could sleep outside but it isn't safe here. But I would imagine a tent by the lake would be so healthyas not only do you escape the EMF but get all that nice fresh air as well!
 
Interestingly enough, several years ago I had a sudden extreme improvement for about 3 days. It came out of nowhere with no explanation. I suddenly felt better than I had in years and I thought I was somehow "cured". I remember thinking "I never want to go back to that HELL again, mentally or physically". I was so disappointed that it didn't last. I wonder, looking back at that, if for those 3 days the power was diverted through another towerfurther from where I live. I have no other possible explanation. It was sostrange to suddenly feel "normal" again.
 
What is MCS?
 
I believe I do have chemical sensitivities that came after the E.S. problem. I used to have allergy problems but once I started using a lot of nutritional supplements ( after I got sick with ES) they pretty much disappeared, although that wasn't what I was taking the supplements for. I got sick after the first 10 years of living so close to the tower. It may have happened at that time due to stress.
 
Thanks again.
 
Cheryl
 


--- On Sat, 6/13/09, Ian Kemp <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Ian Kemp <[hidden email]>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Moving away from a power tower / ES causes
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, June 13, 2009, 4:21 AM








Hi Cheryl,

As well as the Alzheimer's, the reduced ringing in the ears is an important
symptom. Tinnitus is often one of the symptoms and results of ES.

The sun/light sensitivity also often seems to accompany ES. One plausible
theory is that both are due to nerve damage - the myeling sheath on the
outside of the nerves - like stripping the insulation of an electrical wire
so that it is all exposed.

If you got an improvement just by moving from 50 yards to 100 yards away
from the tower, then yes it sounds like you certainly should move house! It
sounds a hopeful sign that such a small move makes things better. Electric
and magnetic fields usually work on an inverse square law, so if you move
twice as far away, the exposure is only one quarter of previous levels. The
metal/wooden house construction probably also makes a difference.

Can you try going to a friend's house to sleep, or somewhere away from tower
and masts, to see if that helps further? My wife Sue went and slept in a
tent by a lake when her ES became unbearable, and her sleep got a lot
better, which then helped her general strength. Sleep is vital to let the
body regenrate!

For most reported cases, ES in its severe form seems to come about after MCS
and similar problems, usually through an immune system malfunction. Have
you had any chemical sensitivity or allergy problems? But there is a
significant minority of people who are otherwise healthy but have contracted
ES through prolonged high exposure. In the UK, Brian Stein is the most
publicised example (high use of early types of mobiles, which may have had
higher exposures thatn modern types). But you could be in the same situation
due to your 30 years of exposure - and maybe also Giles who also has a
recent thread.

Best of luck, Ian

_____

From: eSens@yahoogroups. com [mailto:eSens@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
Cheryl Griffing
Sent: 12 June 2009 23:19
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [eSens] Moving away from a power tower

Hi Bill,

Unfortunately I have been living near this power tower for almost 30 years!
For a very long time I didn't know that was why I was so sick all the time.
I began to suspect it and then read Lucinda Grants book on electrical
sensitivity and I was totally convinced! I decided to move then and I just
couldn't afford to because homes were soaring in price and I never figured
it would take this long for the market to turn around. I always thought it
was just a matter of months. I have been too sick to work more than
part-time so having the money
to move has been very difficult. But I am finally in a position to do so and
very excited about it. I can't even imagine what it would be like to wake up
in the morning feeling anything other than total exhaustion, to be able to
walk outside without being in agony from the sun, to just plain and simple
be "normal" again in so many ways. I have been sick for the past 20 years
with a multitude of symptoms and I doubt I would be alive if it weren't for
the supplements I take. I look forward to even a partial recovery. I am so
tired of being sick all the time as I imagine so many people on this site
are.

Cheryl
--- On Fri, 6/12/09, Bill Bruno <wbruno@gmail. <mailto:wbruno% 40gmail.com>
com> wrote:

From: Bill Bruno <wbruno@gmail. <mailto:wbruno% 40gmail.com> com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Moving away from a power tower
To: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens% 40yahoogroups. com> com
Date: Friday, June 12, 2009, 2:42 PM

I probably should have also said yes, get away from the bad EMFs as soon
as possible.

I think the Alzheimer's observation is very interesting and important.
Try to see if any doctors you know will publish it. A recent paper from
Swiss researchers found EHV power lines double the risk of Alzheimer's.

How long were you at the old house? I think if you can move within a month
or two of having symptoms you may recover quicker without needing ultra low
fields?

Bill

On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Cheryl Griffing
<cheryl_griffing@ yahoo.com>wrote:

>
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> Thanks for all the info!
>
> Although I don't want to answer my own question, as I don't know the
answer
> and that is why I asked, I did want to share the following information.
>
> I noticed as I have been house sitting that there has been somewhat of an
> improvement in my health. This is surprising because I am only about twice
> as far from the power tower than my house is - the same one. I am now
about
> 100 yards instead of about 50 yards. I am even closer to the lines
> themselves. The improvement may also be from going from a metal house to a
> wooden one; both are mobile homes. Also the man that I take care of with
> Alzheimer's has improved. His behavior is more balanced and the
ear-ringing,
> which was a daily problem before, has totally disappeared! So I am really
> hopeful that moving even further will help a lot. But I agree with you,
the regular
> tri-field can measure. If the power is clean that may be good enough, but
> probably the power is dirty, and you should aim for 0.02 or lower. You may
> not find this in any house, but if the yard is that low you may be able to
> get
> the house that low or even lower. Measuring the house with the power off
> also gives you an idea of what is possible, but you can probably improve
on
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Hi Cheryl,

Glad the info was useful. There is lots more similar info in the archives
of this group, though the problem is finding it!

Nobody knows yet how reversible the nerve damage is (or even if it is the
true cause), but there seems to be evidence that things can be improved with
certain dietary changes and supplements, and also by keeping down exposure
to sunlight, electric fields, microwaves etc. Some of the diets/supplements
recommended for multiple sclerosis (MS) also seem to help - that is also
basically a nerve damage problem, and a fair number of researchers (e.g.
Martin Pall) see them as linked. One of the longest established books in
this area is by Judy Graham who largely cured her own MS - many more recent
books but I don't know which are best.

A supplement specifically recommended for cell repair is phosphatidyl
choline - Sue has been trying this recently and it seems to have helped.
Her ES has got a lot better over the last 3 years, mainly by keeping
exposure down (e.g. turning power off at night in the house) and treating
her underlying immune system problems. We are lucky that we were able to
move to a house which is well away from masts and power lines - I lost my
job and had to move to a new town, where we chose our new house very
carefully!

MCS is multiple chemical sensitivity - severe reactions to fumes, organic
solvents, perfumes and many similar things. For many people (including Sue)
this comes before they get ES, and is often accompanied by allergies. It is
almost always a sign of a seriously weakened immune system. In your case
I'd suggest there may be some small underlying immune system weakness which
has got aggravated badly by the EMF (and stress), and has been helped by the
supplements. Thankfully it sounds as if you don't have severe MCS - you'd
know all about it if you did :-(

Interesting about the 3 day improvement - I wouldn't be at all surprised if
the power lines had been closed off for maintenance, or something similar.
Just hope that shows what may still be possible for you! Some of our
friends were pretty unhappy about Sue sleeping outside - but as she said,
when you're desperate, you're prepared to take almost any risk to try to get
some relief. It was only necessary for about 3 months (and not every
night). We also went and camped together in a remote area with no mobile
signals or local power lines for part of this time.

All the best, Ian

_____

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
Cheryl Griffing
Sent: 13 June 2009 19:39
To: [hidden email]
Subject: RE: [eSens] Moving away from a power tower / ES causes





Hi Ian,

Thanks so much for in wonderful information you sent me. I printed it out to
read over and over.

Is the nerve damage irreversible? I am getting so sun sensitive that if I
get much worse I won't hardly be able to go outside on a day with any sun at
all! When the sun comes in the car window I have to wrap my face and arms
with wet towels and put a screen up on the window. I try to avoid driving in
the direction in which I will be sun-exposed because it is so difficult.

Unfortunately, I have no other place to go now even as an experiment.
However, when I did go away in the past there was a definite improvement.
Also, the more outside air I get the better. I wish I could sleep outside
but it isn't safe here. But I would imagine a tent by the lake would be so
healthy as not only do you escape the EMF but get all that nice fresh air as
well!

Interestingly enough, several years ago I had a sudden extreme improvement
for about 3 days. It came out of nowhere with no explanation. I suddenly
felt better than I had in years and I thought I was somehow "cured". I
remember thinking "I never want to go back to that HELL again, mentally or
physically". I was so disappointed that it didn't last. I wonder, looking
back at that, if for those 3 days the power was diverted through another
tower further from where I live. I have no other possible explanation. It
was so strange to suddenly feel "normal" again.

What is MCS?

I believe I do have chemical sensitivities that came after the E.S. problem.
I used to have allergy problems but once I started using a lot of
nutritional supplements ( after I got sick with ES) they pretty much
disappeared, although that wasn't what I was taking the supplements for. I
got sick after the first 10 years of living so close to the tower. It may
have happened at that time due to stress.

Thanks again.

Cheryl


--- On Sat, 6/13/09, Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@
<mailto:ianandsue.kemp%40ukgateway.net> ukgateway.net> wrote:

From: Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@ <mailto:ianandsue.kemp%40ukgateway.net>
ukgateway.net>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Moving away from a power tower / ES causes
To: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com
Date: Saturday, June 13, 2009, 4:21 AM

Hi Cheryl,

As well as the Alzheimer's, the reduced ringing in the ears is an important
symptom. Tinnitus is often one of the symptoms and results of ES.

The sun/light sensitivity also often seems to accompany ES. One plausible
theory is that both are due to nerve damage - the myeling sheath on the
outside of the nerves - like stripping the insulation of an electrical wire
so that it is all exposed.

If you got an improvement just by moving from 50 yards to 100 yards away
from the tower, then yes it sounds like you certainly should move house! It
sounds a hopeful sign that such a small move makes things better. Electric
and magnetic fields usually work on an inverse square law, so if you move
twice as far away, the exposure is only one quarter of previous levels. The
metal/wooden house construction probably also makes a difference.

Can you try going to a friend's house to sleep, or somewhere away from tower
and masts, to see if that helps further? My wife Sue went and slept in a
tent by a lake when her ES became unbearable, and her sleep got a lot
better, which then helped her general strength. Sleep is vital to let the
body regenrate!

For most reported cases, ES in its severe form seems to come about after MCS
and similar problems, usually through an immune system malfunction. Have
you had any chemical sensitivity or allergy problems? But there is a
significant minority of people who are otherwise healthy but have contracted
ES through prolonged high exposure. In the UK, Brian Stein is the most
publicised example (high use of early types of mobiles, which may have had
higher exposures thatn modern types). But you could be in the same situation
due to your 30 years of exposure - and maybe also Giles who also has a
recent thread.

Best of luck, Ian

_____

From: eSens@yahoogroups. com [mailto:eSens@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
Cheryl Griffing
Sent: 12 June 2009 23:19
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [eSens] Moving away from a power tower

Hi Bill,

Unfortunately I have been living near this power tower for almost 30 years!
For a very long time I didn't know that was why I was so sick all the time.
I began to suspect it and then read Lucinda Grants book on electrical
sensitivity and I was totally convinced! I decided to move then and I just
couldn't afford to because homes were soaring in price and I never figured
it would take this long for the market to turn around. I always thought it
was just a matter of months. I have been too sick to work more than
part-time so having the money
to move has been very difficult. But I am finally in a position to do so and
very excited about it. I can't even imagine what it would be like to wake up
in the morning feeling anything other than total exhaustion, to be able to
walk outside without being in agony from the sun, to just plain and simple
be "normal" again in so many ways. I have been sick for the past 20 years
with a multitude of symptoms and I doubt I would be alive if it weren't for
the supplements I take. I look forward to even a partial recovery. I am so
tired of being sick all the time as I imagine so many people on this site
are.

Cheryl
--- On Fri, 6/12/09, Bill Bruno <wbruno@gmail. <mailto:wbruno% 40gmail.com>
com> wrote:

From: Bill Bruno <wbruno@gmail. <mailto:wbruno% 40gmail.com> com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Moving away from a power tower
To: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens% 40yahoogroups. com> com
Date: Friday, June 12, 2009, 2:42 PM

I probably should have also said yes, get away from the bad EMFs as soon
as possible.

I think the Alzheimer's observation is very interesting and important.
Try to see if any doctors you know will publish it. A recent paper from
Swiss researchers found EHV power lines double the risk of Alzheimer's.

How long were you at the old house? I think if you can move within a month
or two of having symptoms you may recover quicker without needing ultra low
fields?

Bill

On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Cheryl Griffing
<cheryl_griffing@ yahoo.com>wrote:

>
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> Thanks for all the info!
>
> Although I don't want to answer my own question, as I don't know the
answer
> and that is why I asked, I did want to share the following information.
>
> I noticed as I have been house sitting that there has been somewhat of an
> improvement in my health. This is surprising because I am only about twice
> as far from the power tower than my house is - the same one. I am now
about
> 100 yards instead of about 50 yards. I am even closer to the lines
> themselves. The improvement may also be from going from a metal house to a
> wooden one; both are mobile homes. Also the man that I take care of with
> Alzheimer's has improved. His behavior is more balanced and the
ear-ringing,
> which was a daily problem before, has totally disappeared! So I am really
> hopeful that moving even further will help a lot. But I agree with you,
the regular
> tri-field can measure. If the power is clean that may be good enough, but
> probably the power is dirty, and you should aim for 0.02 or lower. You may
> not find this in any house, but if the yard is that low you may be able to
> get
> the house that low or even lower. Measuring the house with the power off
> also gives you an idea of what is possible, but you can probably improve
on
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House hunting was a bit frustrating for me... took about a year... but there
are more houses on the market now. It seems the cheap neighborhoods
are covered with power lines and cell towers.

I hope you'll try to document the specifics of your case and the Alzheimer's
patient.
Measure the EMFs at both houses. Try to be very specific about changes
in symptoms, and when they happened.

My other discovery from moving is that having workers make changes to a
house
can cost way more than what they estimate, especially when they find
surprises.

General houses to look at are ones that are surrounded by hills, in a little
valley,
at the end of a cul-de-sac, or on the boundary between subdivisions. If the
trees,
plants and animals look naturally healthy that may be a good sign.

Bill

On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Cheryl Griffing
<[hidden email]>wrote:


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One other thought. If you have digestive problems - particularly leaky gut
syndrome - your body may not be able to absorb supplements well from the
intestine, and other methods may be needed. May be worth checking - leaky
gut is cheaper to the test than some of the other diagnostics (which can be
horribly expensive).

Ian

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Ian
Kemp
Sent: 13 June 2009 20:19
To: [hidden email]
Subject: RE: [eSens] Moving away from a power tower / ES causes





Hi Cheryl,

Glad the info was useful. There is lots more similar info in the archives
of this group, though the problem is finding it!

Nobody knows yet how reversible the nerve damage is (or even if it is the
true cause), but there seems to be evidence that things can be improved with
certain dietary changes and supplements, and also by keeping down exposure
to sunlight, electric fields, microwaves etc. Some of the diets/supplements
recommended for multiple sclerosis (MS) also seem to help - that is also
basically a nerve damage problem, and a fair number of researchers (e.g.
Martin Pall) see them as linked. One of the longest established books in
this area is by Judy Graham who largely cured her own MS - many more recent
books but I don't know which are best.

A supplement specifically recommended for cell repair is phosphatidyl
choline - Sue has been trying this recently and it seems to have helped.
Her ES has got a lot better over the last 3 years, mainly by keeping
exposure down (e.g. turning power off at night in the house) and treating
her underlying immune system problems. We are lucky that we were able to
move to a house which is well away from masts and power lines - I lost my
job and had to move to a new town, where we chose our new house very
carefully!

MCS is multiple chemical sensitivity - severe reactions to fumes, organic
solvents, perfumes and many similar things. For many people (including Sue)
this comes before they get ES, and is often accompanied by allergies. It is
almost always a sign of a seriously weakened immune system. In your case
I'd suggest there may be some small underlying immune system weakness which
has got aggravated badly by the EMF (and stress), and has been helped by the
supplements. Thankfully it sounds as if you don't have severe MCS - you'd
know all about it if you did :-(

Interesting about the 3 day improvement - I wouldn't be at all surprised if
the power lines had been closed off for maintenance, or something similar.
Just hope that shows what may still be possible for you! Some of our
friends were pretty unhappy about Sue sleeping outside - but as she said,
when you're desperate, you're prepared to take almost any risk to try to get
some relief. It was only necessary for about 3 months (and not every
night). We also went and camped together in a remote area with no mobile
signals or local power lines for part of this time.

All the best, Ian

_____

From: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com
[mailto:eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com] On Behalf
Of
Cheryl Griffing
Sent: 13 June 2009 19:39
To: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com
Subject: RE: [eSens] Moving away from a power tower / ES causes

Hi Ian,

Thanks so much for in wonderful information you sent me. I printed it out to
read over and over.

Is the nerve damage irreversible? I am getting so sun sensitive that if I
get much worse I won't hardly be able to go outside on a day with any sun at
all! When the sun comes in the car window I have to wrap my face and arms
with wet towels and put a screen up on the window. I try to avoid driving in
the direction in which I will be sun-exposed because it is so difficult.

Unfortunately, I have no other place to go now even as an experiment.
However, when I did go away in the past there was a definite improvement.
Also, the more outside air I get the better. I wish I could sleep outside
but it isn't safe here. But I would imagine a tent by the lake would be so
healthy as not only do you escape the EMF but get all that nice fresh air as
well!

Interestingly enough, several years ago I had a sudden extreme improvement
for about 3 days. It came out of nowhere with no explanation. I suddenly
felt better than I had in years and I thought I was somehow "cured". I
remember thinking "I never want to go back to that HELL again, mentally or
physically". I was so disappointed that it didn't last. I wonder, looking
back at that, if for those 3 days the power was diverted through another
tower further from where I live. I have no other possible explanation. It
was so strange to suddenly feel "normal" again.

What is MCS?

I believe I do have chemical sensitivities that came after the E.S. problem.
I used to have allergy problems but once I started using a lot of
nutritional supplements ( after I got sick with ES) they pretty much
disappeared, although that wasn't what I was taking the supplements for. I
got sick after the first 10 years of living so close to the tower. It may
have happened at that time due to stress.

Thanks again.

Cheryl


--- On Sat, 6/13/09, Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@
<mailto:ianandsue.kemp%40ukgateway.net> ukgateway.net> wrote:

From: Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@ <mailto:ianandsue.kemp%40ukgateway.net>
ukgateway.net>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Moving away from a power tower / ES causes
To: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com
Date: Saturday, June 13, 2009, 4:21 AM

Hi Cheryl,

As well as the Alzheimer's, the reduced ringing in the ears is an important
symptom. Tinnitus is often one of the symptoms and results of ES.

The sun/light sensitivity also often seems to accompany ES. One plausible
theory is that both are due to nerve damage - the myeling sheath on the
outside of the nerves - like stripping the insulation of an electrical wire
so that it is all exposed.

If you got an improvement just by moving from 50 yards to 100 yards away
from the tower, then yes it sounds like you certainly should move house! It
sounds a hopeful sign that such a small move makes things better. Electric
and magnetic fields usually work on an inverse square law, so if you move
twice as far away, the exposure is only one quarter of previous levels. The
metal/wooden house construction probably also makes a difference.

Can you try going to a friend's house to sleep, or somewhere away from tower
and masts, to see if that helps further? My wife Sue went and slept in a
tent by a lake when her ES became unbearable, and her sleep got a lot
better, which then helped her general strength. Sleep is vital to let the
body regenrate!

For most reported cases, ES in its severe form seems to come about after MCS
and similar problems, usually through an immune system malfunction. Have
you had any chemical sensitivity or allergy problems? But there is a
significant minority of people who are otherwise healthy but have contracted
ES through prolonged high exposure. In the UK, Brian Stein is the most
publicised example (high use of early types of mobiles, which may have had
higher exposures thatn modern types). But you could be in the same situation
due to your 30 years of exposure - and maybe also Giles who also has a
recent thread.

Best of luck, Ian

_____

From: eSens@yahoogroups. com [mailto:eSens@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
Cheryl Griffing
Sent: 12 June 2009 23:19
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [eSens] Moving away from a power tower

Hi Bill,

Unfortunately I have been living near this power tower for almost 30 years!
For a very long time I didn't know that was why I was so sick all the time.
I began to suspect it and then read Lucinda Grants book on electrical
sensitivity and I was totally convinced! I decided to move then and I just
couldn't afford to because homes were soaring in price and I never figured
it would take this long for the market to turn around. I always thought it
was just a matter of months. I have been too sick to work more than
part-time so having the money
to move has been very difficult. But I am finally in a position to do so and
very excited about it. I can't even imagine what it would be like to wake up
in the morning feeling anything other than total exhaustion, to be able to
walk outside without being in agony from the sun, to just plain and simple
be "normal" again in so many ways. I have been sick for the past 20 years
with a multitude of symptoms and I doubt I would be alive if it weren't for
the supplements I take. I look forward to even a partial recovery. I am so
tired of being sick all the time as I imagine so many people on this site
are.

Cheryl
--- On Fri, 6/12/09, Bill Bruno <wbruno@gmail. <mailto:wbruno% 40gmail.com>
com> wrote:

From: Bill Bruno <wbruno@gmail. <mailto:wbruno% 40gmail.com> com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Moving away from a power tower
To: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens% 40yahoogroups. com> com
Date: Friday, June 12, 2009, 2:42 PM

I probably should have also said yes, get away from the bad EMFs as soon
as possible.

I think the Alzheimer's observation is very interesting and important.
Try to see if any doctors you know will publish it. A recent paper from
Swiss researchers found EHV power lines double the risk of Alzheimer's.

How long were you at the old house? I think if you can move within a month
or two of having symptoms you may recover quicker without needing ultra low
fields?

Bill

On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Cheryl Griffing
<cheryl_griffing@ yahoo.com>wrote:

>
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> Thanks for all the info!
>
> Although I don't want to answer my own question, as I don't know the
answer
> and that is why I asked, I did want to share the following information.
>
> I noticed as I have been house sitting that there has been somewhat of an
> improvement in my health. This is surprising because I am only about twice
> as far from the power tower than my house is - the same one. I am now
about
> 100 yards instead of about 50 yards. I am even closer to the lines
> themselves. The improvement may also be from going from a metal house to a
> wooden one; both are mobile homes. Also the man that I take care of with
> Alzheimer's has improved. His behavior is more balanced and the
ear-ringing,
> which was a daily problem before, has totally disappeared! So I am really
> hopeful that moving even further will help a lot. But I agree with you,
the regular
> tri-field can measure. If the power is clean that may be good enough, but
> probably the power is dirty, and you should aim for 0.02 or lower. You may
> not find this in any house, but if the yard is that low you may be able to
> get
> the house that low or even lower. Measuring the house with the power off
> also gives you an idea of what is possible, but you can probably improve
on
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I made a big mistake 2 years ago & bought right on top of cell anntennas. Didn't know about my ES at that time. Can't sleep in my home; have to go to the desert to sleep.
 
If you can try the area out before you buy, it would be best. I tried a house in the middle of nowhere but still had cell antennas that bothered me about a mile away.
 
Just be careful. Loni

--- On Sat, 6/13/09, Bill Bruno <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Bill Bruno <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Moving away from a power tower
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, June 13, 2009, 7:09 PM








House hunting was a bit frustrating for me... took about a year... but there
are more houses on the market now. It seems the cheap neighborhoods
are covered with power lines and cell towers.

I hope you'll try to document the specifics of your case and the Alzheimer's
patient.
Measure the EMFs at both houses. Try to be very specific about changes
in symptoms, and when they happened.

My other discovery from moving is that having workers make changes to a
house
can cost way more than what they estimate, especially when they find
surprises.

General houses to look at are ones that are surrounded by hills, in a little
valley,
at the end of a cul-de-sac, or on the boundary between subdivisions. If the
trees,
plants and animals look naturally healthy that may be a good sign.

Bill

On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Cheryl Griffing
<cheryl_griffing@ yahoo.com>wrote:

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Hi again Ian,
 
Thanks again for the information. I printed it out as a future reference. Ihave a 3-ring binder that I put all my ES related info into and have quitea collection of it!
 
I think that I absorb the supplements pretty well as they have helped me sovery much. However, in the past when I suffered from a hyperactive thyroid, caused by EMF, I noticed I often had to take larger amounts of supplements for them to work, especially Vitamin A.
 
How do you turn the power off at night in terms of your refrigerator?
 
It was so good to be reassured in your previous email that moving, say for example, 10 times further from a power tower would reduce the effect to 1/100Th. I had heard about this before but wasn't sure. I think my problem hasbeen caused by living so very close, only 50 yards or so, for so very long, to a large power tower, not just the lines. I feel so bad for people thathave ES and don't live near these lines as they can't simply move as I can.
 
Camping outside does sound so wonderful! I used to sleep outside at my friends house in the back yard in front of the pool and it was like heaven! I have noticed how much better I feel when I can leave all the windows open at night. In the middle of winter I have often left windows open and just put layers and layers of clothing on to stay warm at night. If windows are closed I feel like I am suffocating.
 
Sure am glad that Sue is doing better from all her effort.
 
Thanks again!
 
Cheryl
 


--- On Sat, 6/13/09, Ian Kemp <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Ian Kemp <[hidden email]>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Moving away from a power tower / ES causes
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, June 13, 2009, 12:18 PM








Hi Cheryl,

Glad the info was useful. There is lots more similar info in the archives
of this group, though the problem is finding it!

Nobody knows yet how reversible the nerve damage is (or even if it is the
true cause), but there seems to be evidence that things can be improved with
certain dietary changes and supplements, and also by keeping down exposure
to sunlight, electric fields, microwaves etc. Some of the diets/supplements
recommended for multiple sclerosis (MS) also seem to help - that is also
basically a nerve damage problem, and a fair number of researchers (e.g.
Martin Pall) see them as linked. One of the longest established books in
this area is by Judy Graham who largely cured her own MS - many more recent
books but I don't know which are best.

A supplement specifically recommended for cell repair is phosphatidyl
choline - Sue has been trying this recently and it seems to have helped.
Her ES has got a lot better over the last 3 years, mainly by keeping
exposure down (e.g. turning power off at night in the house) and treating
her underlying immune system problems. We are lucky that we were able to
move to a house which is well away from masts and power lines - I lost my
job and had to move to a new town, where we chose our new house very
carefully!

MCS is multiple chemical sensitivity - severe reactions to fumes, organic
solvents, perfumes and many similar things. For many people (including Sue)
this comes before they get ES, and is often accompanied by allergies. It is
almost always a sign of a seriously weakened immune system. In your case
I'd suggest there may be some small underlying immune system weakness which
has got aggravated badly by the EMF (and stress), and has been helped by the
supplements. Thankfully it sounds as if you don't have severe MCS - you'd
know all about it if you did :-(

Interesting about the 3 day improvement - I wouldn't be at all surprised if
the power lines had been closed off for maintenance, or something similar.
Just hope that shows what may still be possible for you! Some of our
friends were pretty unhappy about Sue sleeping outside - but as she said,
when you're desperate, you're prepared to take almost any risk to try to get
some relief. It was only necessary for about 3 months (and not every
night). We also went and camped together in a remote area with no mobile
signals or local power lines for part of this time.

All the best, Ian

_____

From: eSens@yahoogroups. com [mailto:eSens@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
Cheryl Griffing
Sent: 13 June 2009 19:39
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [eSens] Moving away from a power tower / ES causes

Hi Ian,

Thanks so much for in wonderful information you sent me. I printed it out to
read over and over.

Is the nerve damage irreversible? I am getting so sun sensitive that if I
get much worse I won't hardly be able to go outside on a day with any sun at
all! When the sun comes in the car window I have to wrap my face and arms
with wet towels and put a screen up on the window. I try to avoid driving in
the direction in which I will be sun-exposed because it is so difficult.

Unfortunately, I have no other place to go now even as an experiment.
However, when I did go away in the past there was a definite improvement.
Also, the more outside air I get the better. I wish I could sleep outside
but it isn't safe here. But I would imagine a tent by the lake would be so
healthy as not only do you escape the EMF but get all that nice fresh air as
well!

Interestingly enough, several years ago I had a sudden extreme improvement
for about 3 days. It came out of nowhere with no explanation. I suddenly
felt better than I had in years and I thought I was somehow "cured". I
remember thinking "I never want to go back to that HELL again, mentally or
physically". I was so disappointed that it didn't last. I wonder, looking
back at that, if for those 3 days the power was diverted through another
tower further from where I live. I have no other possible explanation. It
was so strange to suddenly feel "normal" again.

What is MCS?

I believe I do have chemical sensitivities that came after the E.S. problem.
I used to have allergy problems but once I started using a lot of
nutritional supplements ( after I got sick with ES) they pretty much
disappeared, although that wasn't what I was taking the supplements for. I
got sick after the first 10 years of living so close to the tower. It may
have happened at that time due to stress.

Thanks again.

Cheryl


--- On Sat, 6/13/09, Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@
<mailto:ianandsue. kemp%40ukgateway .net> ukgateway.net> wrote:

From: Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@ <mailto:ianandsue. kemp%40ukgateway .net>
ukgateway.net>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Moving away from a power tower / ES causes
To: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens% 40yahoogroups. com> com
Date: Saturday, June 13, 2009, 4:21 AM

Hi Cheryl,

As well as the Alzheimer's, the reduced ringing in the ears is an important
symptom. Tinnitus is often one of the symptoms and results of ES.

The sun/light sensitivity also often seems to accompany ES. One plausible
theory is that both are due to nerve damage - the myeling sheath on the
outside of the nerves - like stripping the insulation of an electrical wire
so that it is all exposed.

If you got an improvement just by moving from 50 yards to 100 yards away
from the tower, then yes it sounds like you certainly should move house! It
sounds a hopeful sign that such a small move makes things better. Electric
and magnetic fields usually work on an inverse square law, so if you move
twice as far away, the exposure is only one quarter of previous levels. The
metal/wooden house construction probably also makes a difference.

Can you try going to a friend's house to sleep, or somewhere away from tower
and masts, to see if that helps further? My wife Sue went and slept in a
tent by a lake when her ES became unbearable, and her sleep got a lot
better, which then helped her general strength. Sleep is vital to let the
body regenrate!

For most reported cases, ES in its severe form seems to come about after MCS
and similar problems, usually through an immune system malfunction. Have
you had any chemical sensitivity or allergy problems? But there is a
significant minority of people who are otherwise healthy but have contracted
ES through prolonged high exposure. In the UK, Brian Stein is the most
publicised example (high use of early types of mobiles, which may have had
higher exposures thatn modern types). But you could be in the same situation
due to your 30 years of exposure - and maybe also Giles who also has a
recent thread.

Best of luck, Ian

_____

From: eSens@yahoogroups. com [mailto:eSens@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
Cheryl Griffing
Sent: 12 June 2009 23:19
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [eSens] Moving away from a power tower

Hi Bill,

Unfortunately I have been living near this power tower for almost 30 years!
For a very long time I didn't know that was why I was so sick all the time.
I began to suspect it and then read Lucinda Grants book on electrical
sensitivity and I was totally convinced! I decided to move then and I just
couldn't afford to because homes were soaring in price and I never figured
it would take this long for the market to turn around. I always thought it
was just a matter of months. I have been too sick to work more than
part-time so having the money
to move has been very difficult. But I am finally in a position to do so and
very excited about it. I can't even imagine what it would be like to wake up
in the morning feeling anything other than total exhaustion, to be able to
walk outside without being in agony from the sun, to just plain and simple
be "normal" again in so many ways. I have been sick for the past 20 years
with a multitude of symptoms and I doubt I would be alive if it weren't for
the supplements I take. I look forward to even a partial recovery. I am so
tired of being sick all the time as I imagine so many people on this site
are.

Cheryl
--- On Fri, 6/12/09, Bill Bruno <wbruno@gmail. <mailto:wbruno% 40gmail.com>
com> wrote:

From: Bill Bruno <wbruno@gmail. <mailto:wbruno% 40gmail.com> com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Moving away from a power tower
To: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens% 40yahoogroups. com> com
Date: Friday, June 12, 2009, 2:42 PM

I probably should have also said yes, get away from the bad EMFs as soon
as possible.

I think the Alzheimer's observation is very interesting and important.
Try to see if any doctors you know will publish it. A recent paper from
Swiss researchers found EHV power lines double the risk of Alzheimer's.

How long were you at the old house? I think if you can move within a month
or two of having symptoms you may recover quicker without needing ultra low
fields?

Bill

On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Cheryl Griffing
<cheryl_griffing@ yahoo.com>wrote:

>
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> Thanks for all the info!
>
> Although I don't want to answer my own question, as I don't know the
answer
> and that is why I asked, I did want to share the following information.
>
> I noticed as I have been house sitting that there has been somewhat of an
> improvement in my health. This is surprising because I am only about twice
> as far from the power tower than my house is - the same one. I am now
about
> 100 yards instead of about 50 yards. I am even closer to the lines
> themselves. The improvement may also be from going from a metal house to a
> wooden one; both are mobile homes. Also the man that I take care of with
> Alzheimer's has improved. His behavior is more balanced and the
ear-ringing,
> which was a daily problem before, has totally disappeared! So I am really
> hopeful that moving even further will help a lot. But I agree with you,
the regular
> tri-field can measure. If the power is clean that may be good enough, but
> probably the power is dirty, and you should aim for 0.02 or lower. You may
> not find this in any house, but if the yard is that low you may be able to
> get
> the house that low or even lower. Measuring the house with the power off
> also gives you an idea of what is possible, but you can probably improve
on
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hi Cheryl,
 
i agree with Marc.  i have overcome health problems docs said were permanent.  i would never assume you will not or can not recover.  the body is set up to respond to healing.  and i think also, as Marc, nutrients can help effect a change more quickly and positively.
 
best of luck in finding your new house,
diane

--- On Fri, 6/12/09, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Moving away from a power tower
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, June 12, 2009, 2:21 PM








> but I do wonder how much irreversible damage has been done to me.

I suspect that any damage is reversible, if you find a smart enough
doctor or take enough of the right supplements.

Marc
















     

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Hi Cheryl,

For the refrigerator (and freezer) we've become expert at not keeping things
for too long and not having things which warm up too much overnight. We
keep it in a fairly cool north-facing room too - and the climate in the UK
makes it a lot easier to keep things cool!

We did get a new power/fuse box put in when we moved into this house 2 years
ago, which allows us to turn of the power in the whole house but leave it on
in a storeroom and my study. We have a separate fridge-freezer in the
storeroom and can use that for anything which needs keeping permanently cool
- but to be honest we have hardly used it. I can use my study if I need to
catch up on emails late at night when Sue has gone to bed!

Ian

_____

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
Cheryl Griffing
Sent: 14 June 2009 19:32
To: [hidden email]
Subject: RE: [eSens] Moving away from a power tower / ES causes





Hi again Ian,

Thanks again for the information. I printed it out as a future reference. I
have a 3-ring binder that I put all my ES related info into and have quite a
collection of it!

I think that I absorb the supplements pretty well as they have helped me so
very much. However, in the past when I suffered from a hyperactive thyroid,
caused by EMF, I noticed I often had to take larger amounts of supplements
for them to work, especially Vitamin A.

How do you turn the power off at night in terms of your refrigerator?

It was so good to be reassured in your previous email that moving, say for
example, 10 times further from a power tower would reduce the effect to
1/100Th. I had heard about this before but wasn't sure. I think my problem
has been caused by living so very close, only 50 yards or so, for so very
long, to a large power tower, not just the lines. I feel so bad for people
that have ES and don't live near these lines as they can't simply move as I
can.

Camping outside does sound so wonderful! I used to sleep outside at my
friends house in the back yard in front of the pool and it was like heaven!
I have noticed how much better I feel when I can leave all the windows open
at night. In the middle of winter I have often left windows open and just
put layers and layers of clothing on to stay warm at night. If windows are
closed I feel like I am suffocating.

Sure am glad that Sue is doing better from all her effort.

Thanks again!

Cheryl


--- On Sat, 6/13/09, Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@
<mailto:ianandsue.kemp%40ukgateway.net> ukgateway.net> wrote:

From: Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@ <mailto:ianandsue.kemp%40ukgateway.net>
ukgateway.net>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Moving away from a power tower / ES causes
To: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com
Date: Saturday, June 13, 2009, 12:18 PM

Hi Cheryl,

Glad the info was useful. There is lots more similar info in the archives
of this group, though the problem is finding it!

Nobody knows yet how reversible the nerve damage is (or even if it is the
true cause), but there seems to be evidence that things can be improved with
certain dietary changes and supplements, and also by keeping down exposure
to sunlight, electric fields, microwaves etc. Some of the diets/supplements
recommended for multiple sclerosis (MS) also seem to help - that is also
basically a nerve damage problem, and a fair number of researchers (e.g.
Martin Pall) see them as linked. One of the longest established books in
this area is by Judy Graham who largely cured her own MS - many more recent
books but I don't know which are best.

A supplement specifically recommended for cell repair is phosphatidyl
choline - Sue has been trying this recently and it seems to have helped.
Her ES has got a lot better over the last 3 years, mainly by keeping
exposure down (e.g. turning power off at night in the house) and treating
her underlying immune system problems. We are lucky that we were able to
move to a house which is well away from masts and power lines - I lost my
job and had to move to a new town, where we chose our new house very
carefully!

MCS is multiple chemical sensitivity - severe reactions to fumes, organic
solvents, perfumes and many similar things. For many people (including Sue)
this comes before they get ES, and is often accompanied by allergies. It is
almost always a sign of a seriously weakened immune system. In your case
I'd suggest there may be some small underlying immune system weakness which
has got aggravated badly by the EMF (and stress), and has been helped by the
supplements. Thankfully it sounds as if you don't have severe MCS - you'd
know all about it if you did :-(

Interesting about the 3 day improvement - I wouldn't be at all surprised if
the power lines had been closed off for maintenance, or something similar.
Just hope that shows what may still be possible for you! Some of our
friends were pretty unhappy about Sue sleeping outside - but as she said,
when you're desperate, you're prepared to take almost any risk to try to get
some relief. It was only necessary for about 3 months (and not every
night). We also went and camped together in a remote area with no mobile
signals or local power lines for part of this time.

All the best, Ian

_____

From: eSens@yahoogroups. com [mailto:eSens@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
Cheryl Griffing
Sent: 13 June 2009 19:39
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [eSens] Moving away from a power tower / ES causes

Hi Ian,

Thanks so much for in wonderful information you sent me. I printed it out to
read over and over.

Is the nerve damage irreversible? I am getting so sun sensitive that if I
get much worse I won't hardly be able to go outside on a day with any sun at
all! When the sun comes in the car window I have to wrap my face and arms
with wet towels and put a screen up on the window. I try to avoid driving in
the direction in which I will be sun-exposed because it is so difficult.

Unfortunately, I have no other place to go now even as an experiment.
However, when I did go away in the past there was a definite improvement.
Also, the more outside air I get the better. I wish I could sleep outside
but it isn't safe here. But I would imagine a tent by the lake would be so
healthy as not only do you escape the EMF but get all that nice fresh air as
well!

Interestingly enough, several years ago I had a sudden extreme improvement
for about 3 days. It came out of nowhere with no explanation. I suddenly
felt better than I had in years and I thought I was somehow "cured". I
remember thinking "I never want to go back to that HELL again, mentally or
physically". I was so disappointed that it didn't last. I wonder, looking
back at that, if for those 3 days the power was diverted through another
tower further from where I live. I have no other possible explanation. It
was so strange to suddenly feel "normal" again.

What is MCS?

I believe I do have chemical sensitivities that came after the E.S. problem.
I used to have allergy problems but once I started using a lot of
nutritional supplements ( after I got sick with ES) they pretty much
disappeared, although that wasn't what I was taking the supplements for. I
got sick after the first 10 years of living so close to the tower. It may
have happened at that time due to stress.

Thanks again.

Cheryl

--- On Sat, 6/13/09, Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@
<mailto:ianandsue. kemp%40ukgateway .net> ukgateway.net> wrote:

From: Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@ <mailto:ianandsue. kemp%40ukgateway .net>
ukgateway.net>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Moving away from a power tower / ES causes
To: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens% 40yahoogroups. com> com
Date: Saturday, June 13, 2009, 4:21 AM

Hi Cheryl,

As well as the Alzheimer's, the reduced ringing in the ears is an important
symptom. Tinnitus is often one of the symptoms and results of ES.

The sun/light sensitivity also often seems to accompany ES. One plausible
theory is that both are due to nerve damage - the myeling sheath on the
outside of the nerves - like stripping the insulation of an electrical wire
so that it is all exposed.

If you got an improvement just by moving from 50 yards to 100 yards away
from the tower, then yes it sounds like you certainly should move house! It
sounds a hopeful sign that such a small move makes things better. Electric
and magnetic fields usually work on an inverse square law, so if you move
twice as far away, the exposure is only one quarter of previous levels. The
metal/wooden house construction probably also makes a difference.

Can you try going to a friend's house to sleep, or somewhere away from tower
and masts, to see if that helps further? My wife Sue went and slept in a
tent by a lake when her ES became unbearable, and her sleep got a lot
better, which then helped her general strength. Sleep is vital to let the
body regenrate!

For most reported cases, ES in its severe form seems to come about after MCS
and similar problems, usually through an immune system malfunction. Have
you had any chemical sensitivity or allergy problems? But there is a
significant minority of people who are otherwise healthy but have contracted
ES through prolonged high exposure. In the UK, Brian Stein is the most
publicised example (high use of early types of mobiles, which may have had
higher exposures thatn modern types). But you could be in the same situation
due to your 30 years of exposure - and maybe also Giles who also has a
recent thread.

Best of luck, Ian

_____

From: eSens@yahoogroups. com [mailto:eSens@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
Cheryl Griffing
Sent: 12 June 2009 23:19
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [eSens] Moving away from a power tower

Hi Bill,

Unfortunately I have been living near this power tower for almost 30 years!
For a very long time I didn't know that was why I was so sick all the time.
I began to suspect it and then read Lucinda Grants book on electrical
sensitivity and I was totally convinced! I decided to move then and I just
couldn't afford to because homes were soaring in price and I never figured
it would take this long for the market to turn around. I always thought it
was just a matter of months. I have been too sick to work more than
part-time so having the money
to move has been very difficult. But I am finally in a position to do so and
very excited about it. I can't even imagine what it would be like to wake up
in the morning feeling anything other than total exhaustion, to be able to
walk outside without being in agony from the sun, to just plain and simple
be "normal" again in so many ways. I have been sick for the past 20 years
with a multitude of symptoms and I doubt I would be alive if it weren't for
the supplements I take. I look forward to even a partial recovery. I am so
tired of being sick all the time as I imagine so many people on this site
are.

Cheryl
--- On Fri, 6/12/09, Bill Bruno <wbruno@gmail. <mailto:wbruno% 40gmail.com>
com> wrote:

From: Bill Bruno <wbruno@gmail. <mailto:wbruno% 40gmail.com> com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Moving away from a power tower
To: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens% 40yahoogroups. com> com
Date: Friday, June 12, 2009, 2:42 PM

I probably should have also said yes, get away from the bad EMFs as soon
as possible.

I think the Alzheimer's observation is very interesting and important.
Try to see if any doctors you know will publish it. A recent paper from
Swiss researchers found EHV power lines double the risk of Alzheimer's.

How long were you at the old house? I think if you can move within a month
or two of having symptoms you may recover quicker without needing ultra low
fields?

Bill

On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Cheryl Griffing
<cheryl_griffing@ yahoo.com>wrote:

>
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> Thanks for all the info!
>
> Although I don't want to answer my own question, as I don't know the
answer
> and that is why I asked, I did want to share the following information.
>
> I noticed as I have been house sitting that there has been somewhat of an
> improvement in my health. This is surprising because I am only about twice
> as far from the power tower than my house is - the same one. I am now
about
> 100 yards instead of about 50 yards. I am even closer to the lines
> themselves. The improvement may also be from going from a metal house to a
> wooden one; both are mobile homes. Also the man that I take care of with
> Alzheimer's has improved. His behavior is more balanced and the
ear-ringing,
> which was a daily problem before, has totally disappeared! So I am really
> hopeful that moving even further will help a lot. But I agree with you,
the regular
> tri-field can measure. If the power is clean that may be good enough, but
> probably the power is dirty, and you should aim for 0.02 or lower. You may
> not find this in any house, but if the yard is that low you may be able to
> get
> the house that low or even lower. Measuring the house with the power off
> also gives you an idea of what is possible, but you can probably improve
on
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Hi Ian,
 
Wow, you are so far away! I live in L.A. California!
 
I think your plan for being able to turn off the fridge at night is a really good and creative one. Thanks for sharing.
 
Cheryl
--- On Sat, 6/20/09, Ian Kemp <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Ian Kemp <[hidden email]>
Subject: RE: [eSens] turning off power at night
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, June 20, 2009, 2:08 PM








Hi Cheryl,

For the refrigerator (and freezer) we've become expert at not keeping things
for too long and not having things which warm up too much overnight. We
keep it in a fairly cool north-facing room too - and the climate in the UK
makes it a lot easier to keep things cool!

We did get a new power/fuse box put in when we moved into this house 2 years
ago, which allows us to turn of the power in the whole house but leave it on
in a storeroom and my study. We have a separate fridge-freezer in the
storeroom and can use that for anything which needs keeping permanently cool
- but to be honest we have hardly used it. I can use my study if I need to
catch up on emails late at night when Sue has gone to bed!

Ian

_____

From: eSens@yahoogroups. com [mailto:eSens@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
Cheryl Griffing
Sent: 14 June 2009 19:32
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [eSens] Moving away from a power tower / ES causes

Hi again Ian,

Thanks again for the information. I printed it out as a future reference. I
have a 3-ring binder that I put all my ES related info into and have quite a
collection of it!

I think that I absorb the supplements pretty well as they have helped me so
very much. However, in the past when I suffered from a hyperactive thyroid,
caused by EMF, I noticed I often had to take larger amounts of supplements
for them to work, especially Vitamin A.

How do you turn the power off at night in terms of your refrigerator?

It was so good to be reassured in your previous email that moving, say for
example, 10 times further from a power tower would reduce the effect to
1/100Th. I had heard about this before but wasn't sure. I think my problem
has been caused by living so very close, only 50 yards or so, for so very
long, to a large power tower, not just the lines. I feel so bad for people
that have ES and don't live near these lines as they can't simply move as I
can.

Camping outside does sound so wonderful! I used to sleep outside at my
friends house in the back yard in front of the pool and it was like heaven!
I have noticed how much better I feel when I can leave all the windows open
at night. In the middle of winter I have often left windows open and just
put layers and layers of clothing on to stay warm at night. If windows are
closed I feel like I am suffocating.

Sure am glad that Sue is doing better from all her effort.

Thanks again!

Cheryl


--- On Sat, 6/13/09, Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@
<mailto:ianandsue. kemp%40ukgateway .net> ukgateway.net> wrote:

From: Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@ <mailto:ianandsue. kemp%40ukgateway .net>
ukgateway.net>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Moving away from a power tower / ES causes
To: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens% 40yahoogroups. com> com
Date: Saturday, June 13, 2009, 12:18 PM

Hi Cheryl,

Glad the info was useful. There is lots more similar info in the archives
of this group, though the problem is finding it!

Nobody knows yet how reversible the nerve damage is (or even if it is the
true cause), but there seems to be evidence that things can be improved with
certain dietary changes and supplements, and also by keeping down exposure
to sunlight, electric fields, microwaves etc. Some of the diets/supplements
recommended for multiple sclerosis (MS) also seem to help - that is also
basically a nerve damage problem, and a fair number of researchers (e.g.
Martin Pall) see them as linked. One of the longest established books in
this area is by Judy Graham who largely cured her own MS - many more recent
books but I don't know which are best.

A supplement specifically recommended for cell repair is phosphatidyl
choline - Sue has been trying this recently and it seems to have helped.
Her ES has got a lot better over the last 3 years, mainly by keeping
exposure down (e.g. turning power off at night in the house) and treating
her underlying immune system problems. We are lucky that we were able to
move to a house which is well away from masts and power lines - I lost my
job and had to move to a new town, where we chose our new house very
carefully!

MCS is multiple chemical sensitivity - severe reactions to fumes, organic
solvents, perfumes and many similar things. For many people (including Sue)
this comes before they get ES, and is often accompanied by allergies. It is
almost always a sign of a seriously weakened immune system. In your case
I'd suggest there may be some small underlying immune system weakness which
has got aggravated badly by the EMF (and stress), and has been helped by the
supplements. Thankfully it sounds as if you don't have severe MCS - you'd
know all about it if you did :-(

Interesting about the 3 day improvement - I wouldn't be at all surprised if
the power lines had been closed off for maintenance, or something similar.
Just hope that shows what may still be possible for you! Some of our
friends were pretty unhappy about Sue sleeping outside - but as she said,
when you're desperate, you're prepared to take almost any risk to try to get
some relief. It was only necessary for about 3 months (and not every
night). We also went and camped together in a remote area with no mobile
signals or local power lines for part of this time.

All the best, Ian

_____

From: eSens@yahoogroups. com [mailto:eSens@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
Cheryl Griffing
Sent: 13 June 2009 19:39
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [eSens] Moving away from a power tower / ES causes

Hi Ian,

Thanks so much for in wonderful information you sent me. I printed it out to
read over and over.

Is the nerve damage irreversible? I am getting so sun sensitive that if I
get much worse I won't hardly be able to go outside on a day with any sun at
all! When the sun comes in the car window I have to wrap my face and arms
with wet towels and put a screen up on the window. I try to avoid driving in
the direction in which I will be sun-exposed because it is so difficult.

Unfortunately, I have no other place to go now even as an experiment.
However, when I did go away in the past there was a definite improvement.
Also, the more outside air I get the better. I wish I could sleep outside
but it isn't safe here. But I would imagine a tent by the lake would be so
healthy as not only do you escape the EMF but get all that nice fresh air as
well!

Interestingly enough, several years ago I had a sudden extreme improvement
for about 3 days. It came out of nowhere with no explanation. I suddenly
felt better than I had in years and I thought I was somehow "cured". I
remember thinking "I never want to go back to that HELL again, mentally or
physically". I was so disappointed that it didn't last. I wonder, looking
back at that, if for those 3 days the power was diverted through another
tower further from where I live. I have no other possible explanation. It
was so strange to suddenly feel "normal" again.

What is MCS?

I believe I do have chemical sensitivities that came after the E.S. problem.
I used to have allergy problems but once I started using a lot of
nutritional supplements ( after I got sick with ES) they pretty much
disappeared, although that wasn't what I was taking the supplements for. I
got sick after the first 10 years of living so close to the tower. It may
have happened at that time due to stress.

Thanks again.

Cheryl

--- On Sat, 6/13/09, Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@
<mailto:ianandsue. kemp%40ukgateway .net> ukgateway.net> wrote:

From: Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@ <mailto:ianandsue. kemp%40ukgateway .net>
ukgateway.net>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Moving away from a power tower / ES causes
To: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens% 40yahoogroups. com> com
Date: Saturday, June 13, 2009, 4:21 AM

Hi Cheryl,

As well as the Alzheimer's, the reduced ringing in the ears is an important
symptom. Tinnitus is often one of the symptoms and results of ES.

The sun/light sensitivity also often seems to accompany ES. One plausible
theory is that both are due to nerve damage - the myeling sheath on the
outside of the nerves - like stripping the insulation of an electrical wire
so that it is all exposed.

If you got an improvement just by moving from 50 yards to 100 yards away
from the tower, then yes it sounds like you certainly should move house! It
sounds a hopeful sign that such a small move makes things better. Electric
and magnetic fields usually work on an inverse square law, so if you move
twice as far away, the exposure is only one quarter of previous levels. The
metal/wooden house construction probably also makes a difference.

Can you try going to a friend's house to sleep, or somewhere away from tower
and masts, to see if that helps further? My wife Sue went and slept in a
tent by a lake when her ES became unbearable, and her sleep got a lot
better, which then helped her general strength. Sleep is vital to let the
body regenrate!

For most reported cases, ES in its severe form seems to come about after MCS
and similar problems, usually through an immune system malfunction. Have
you had any chemical sensitivity or allergy problems? But there is a
significant minority of people who are otherwise healthy but have contracted
ES through prolonged high exposure. In the UK, Brian Stein is the most
publicised example (high use of early types of mobiles, which may have had
higher exposures thatn modern types). But you could be in the same situation
due to your 30 years of exposure - and maybe also Giles who also has a
recent thread.

Best of luck, Ian

_____

From: eSens@yahoogroups. com [mailto:eSens@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
Cheryl Griffing
Sent: 12 June 2009 23:19
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [eSens] Moving away from a power tower

Hi Bill,

Unfortunately I have been living near this power tower for almost 30 years!
For a very long time I didn't know that was why I was so sick all the time.
I began to suspect it and then read Lucinda Grants book on electrical
sensitivity and I was totally convinced! I decided to move then and I just
couldn't afford to because homes were soaring in price and I never figured
it would take this long for the market to turn around. I always thought it
was just a matter of months. I have been too sick to work more than
part-time so having the money
to move has been very difficult. But I am finally in a position to do so and
very excited about it. I can't even imagine what it would be like to wake up
in the morning feeling anything other than total exhaustion, to be able to
walk outside without being in agony from the sun, to just plain and simple
be "normal" again in so many ways. I have been sick for the past 20 years
with a multitude of symptoms and I doubt I would be alive if it weren't for
the supplements I take. I look forward to even a partial recovery. I am so
tired of being sick all the time as I imagine so many people on this site
are.

Cheryl
--- On Fri, 6/12/09, Bill Bruno <wbruno@gmail. <mailto:wbruno% 40gmail.com>
com> wrote:

From: Bill Bruno <wbruno@gmail. <mailto:wbruno% 40gmail.com> com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Moving away from a power tower
To: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens% 40yahoogroups. com> com
Date: Friday, June 12, 2009, 2:42 PM

I probably should have also said yes, get away from the bad EMFs as soon
as possible.

I think the Alzheimer's observation is very interesting and important.
Try to see if any doctors you know will publish it. A recent paper from
Swiss researchers found EHV power lines double the risk of Alzheimer's.

How long were you at the old house? I think if you can move within a month
or two of having symptoms you may recover quicker without needing ultra low
fields?

Bill

On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Cheryl Griffing
<cheryl_griffing@ yahoo.com>wrote:

>
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> Thanks for all the info!
>
> Although I don't want to answer my own question, as I don't know the
answer
> and that is why I asked, I did want to share the following information.
>
> I noticed as I have been house sitting that there has been somewhat of an
> improvement in my health. This is surprising because I am only about twice
> as far from the power tower than my house is - the same one. I am now
about
> 100 yards instead of about 50 yards. I am even closer to the lines
> themselves. The improvement may also be from going from a metal house to a
> wooden one; both are mobile homes. Also the man that I take care of with
> Alzheimer's has improved. His behavior is more balanced and the
ear-ringing,
> which was a daily problem before, has totally disappeared! So I am really
> hopeful that moving even further will help a lot. But I agree with you,
the regular
> tri-field can measure. If the power is clean that may be good enough, but
> probably the power is dirty, and you should aim for 0.02 or lower. You may
> not find this in any house, but if the yard is that low you may be able to
> get
> the house that low or even lower. Measuring the house with the power off
> also gives you an idea of what is possible, but you can probably improve
on
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