Most helpful devices to block EMFs?

Hi everyone,

I just wondered what people here found to be the most helpful devices
for blocking EMFs from computers. I have just bought a new computer and
its making me feel pretty bad, more so than my old one so I guess it
must be emitting more emfs. I have CFS so am pretty sensitive to lots
of things anyway but this feels quite disabling as my memory is a lot
worse and I really cant think straight at all. Ive also been getting
headaches which I dont normally suffer from. I thought it was the LCD
monitor - my old computer had a VDU, but now I realise that its not
just that.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks a lot.

Anne

> I thought it was the LCD
> monitor - my old computer had a VDU, but now I realise that its not
> just that.

You may be one of the few people who react more strongly to LCD
monitors than CRT (tube) monitors. I'm one of those people, too,
and have simply stuck with tube monitors for now, and look forward
to new technologies that will make LCD monitors obsolete... :-)

One thing you can do is move everything as far away from you
as possible. You may need to invest in some extension cables
for your monitor, keyboard, mouse, but it's worth it.

As for devices, see my previous post -- I've used all of
those devices successfuly with my computer. And you download
the Quantum Byte software for a free 2-week trial from:

http://quantumproducts.com/catalog/quantum_byte.html

If it doesn't work, well you didn't waste any money
finding out! :-)

Marc

> I just wondered what people here found to be the most helpful devices
> for blocking EMFs from computers.

Also, on the subject of computers, some people seem to benefit more
from computers that are manufactured with fewer toxic materials
and have better internal EMF shielding. For example, this is
an interesting company:

http://www.greenmachineshop.com/

Also, I understand that Apple will be releasing new computer monitors
sometime this year which will have mercury-free backlights (LED)
and arsenic-free glass.

Marc

What technology over LCD are you hoping for? OLEDs?

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> What technology over LCD are you hoping for? OLEDs?

Well, I think the #1 thing is to keep a distance
from the screen, so an HDTV being used as a computer
monitor is the first thing (e.g, 26" diagonal, but
low 768 x 1366 resolution so you can read it from
a distance).

Next would be LCD with the florescent backlight
replaced by LED (no inverter, lower voltages,
no mercury).

Next would be OLED (manufacturers keep claiming
that they are "coming soon", but it looks like
they are still a few years off). This should
be even lower voltage.

There is also SED, which may never get off the
ground.

And there are of course other ideas being
suggested that may appear in 5+ years.

I suspect that SOMETHING better will come
out in the next decade...

Marc

Hi Marc,

Thanks a lot for your messages and all your suggestions they have
been very helpful. I downloaded the Quantum Byte software for a free
trial for now to see if that helps.

Thats interesting that you find LCD monitors more of a problem as it
really does feel like it is the monitor that is making me feel bad
though everyone I have spoken to has told me that these monitors are
supposed to be safer than the CRT ones. Do you know what it is about
this type of monitor that causes the problem? Do you mind me asking
what specific health problems were resolved when you went back to a
CRT monitor? Are there any screens that you can put over the monitor
that lessens their effects? Sorry for all the questions, I will try
using my old monitor again and see if that makes any difference, I
guess I will know for sure then if it is that or the EMFs that are
affecting me.

I do have an OM slimline polariser and though I found that it did
help but also made me feel worse in some ways so havent used it much
since I bought it which was about 3 yrs ago but will see if that
helps too.

Thanks again, all the best.

Anne


--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote:
>
> > I thought it was the LCD
> > monitor - my old computer had a VDU, but now I realise that its
not

i use a crt with 3 m screen
i believe that lcd's give off microwaves and crt's don't i could be
wrong
marc will know
pete
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Marc constantly *forgets* te mention the inexpensive, but good working
Bioprotect card.
Many people have positive results.
It costs only 21 Euro.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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From: "Marc Martin" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 23:33
Subject: Re: [eSens] Most helpful devices to block EMFs?

I have found, that many LCD as well as CRT monitors do emit signals around
30 kHz.
For these signals, electrosensibles may react heavily.

Some flat screen TV's (LCD) do emit less than others, even from the same
branch.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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From: "Anne" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 13:20
Subject: [eSens] Re: Most helpful devices to block EMFs?

Hi Pete,

Thanks for your post. Do you have a problem with LCDs too? Its funny
you mentioned it might give off microwaves as even though I dont have
one my brain feels like it has been totally fried!! What do you
mean by a 3 m screen - do you mean the monitor's screen or a screen
to put over the monitor? If you mean the latter, has this helped you
and where did you buy it from?

Thanks a lot,

Anne

--- In [hidden email], pete robinson <robbo@...> wrote: free
> > trial for now to see if that helps.
> >
> > Thats interesting that you find LCD monitors more of a problem
as it
> > really does feel like it is the monitor that is making me feel
bad
> > though everyone I have spoken to has told me that these monitors
are
> > supposed to be safer than the CRT ones. Do you know what it is
about
> > this type of monitor that causes the problem? Do you mind me
asking
> > what specific health problems were resolved when you went back
to a
> > CRT monitor? Are there any screens that you can put over the
monitor
> > that lessens their effects? Sorry for all the questions, I will
try
> > using my old monitor again and see if that makes any difference,
I
> > guess I will know for sure then if it is that or the EMFs that
are
> > affecting me.
> >
> > I do have an OM slimline polariser and though I found that it did
> > help but also made me feel worse in some ways so havent used it
much its
> > not
> > > > just that.
> > >
> > > You may be one of the few people who react more strongly to LCD
> > > monitors than CRT (tube) monitors. I'm one of those people,
too,
> > > and have simply stuck with tube monitors for now, and look
forward

Hi Charles,

Thanks for your post. Is the Bioprotect Card you mentioned in your
other post supposed to help protect against these signals? Do you
use it yourself?  

Thanks,

Anne

--- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:
>
> I have found, that many LCD as well as CRT monitors do emit signals
around
> 30 kHz.
> For these signals, electrosensibles may react heavily.
>
> Some flat screen TV's (LCD) do emit less than others, even from the
same free
> > trial for now to see if that helps.
> >
> > Thats interesting that you find LCD monitors more of a problem as
it
> > really does feel like it is the monitor that is making me feel bad
> > though everyone I have spoken to has told me that these monitors
are
> > supposed to be safer than the CRT ones. Do you know what it is
about
> > this type of monitor that causes the problem? Do you mind me
asking
> > what specific health problems were resolved when you went back to
a
> > CRT monitor? Are there any screens that you can put over the
monitor
> > that lessens their effects? Sorry for all the questions, I will
try
> > using my old monitor again and see if that makes any difference, I
> > guess I will know for sure then if it is that or the EMFs that are
> > affecting me.
> >
> > I do have an OM slimline polariser and though I found that it did
> > help but also made me feel worse in some ways so havent used it
much
> > since I bought it which was about 3 yrs ago but will see if that
> > helps too.
> >
> > Thanks again, all the best.
> >
> > Anne
> >
>

> Thats interesting that you find LCD monitors more of a problem as it
> really does feel like it is the monitor that is making me feel bad
> though everyone I have spoken to has told me that these monitors are
> supposed to be safer than the CRT ones. Do you know what it is about
> this type of monitor that causes the problem?

One problem with LCDs is that the electronics are much closer to you.
With a CRT, the nasty stuff is in the back of the monitor, which is
much further away from you than the front of the monitor. Also, part
of that electronics is a DC->AC inverter, which provides power to
the florescent backlight. This is probably causing some symptoms,
and I don't think a CRT has any inverter (nor a florescent light).

People think LCDs are safer than CRTs because they have less magnetic
field in the 60 hz range. However, an LCD is still a high voltage
device (thanks to the florescent light), and has a significant
electric field in the high frequency range.

> Do you mind me asking
> what specific health problems were resolved when you went back to a
> CRT monitor?

If I used a CRT monitor on a daily basis, I am less sensitive to
florescent lights (which of course are everywhere). If I use an
LCD monitor on a daily basis, I become more sensitive to florescent
lights over a period of several days. Also, I find that I have
to use more EMF protection devices with an LCD than a CRT --
specifically, the more powerful ones from Quantum Products
(Quantum Pro, etc.). A Springlife Polarizer doesn't seem
to provide much benefit with an LCD, however, it works quite
well with a CRT.

> Are there any screens that you can put over the monitor
> that lessens their effects?

There are those glass screens that can pick up some of the EMF
and divert it to a ground wire, but I didn't get much relief
from that. You can also dim the monitor to a minimum brightness
level, but again that didn't help me much. The only solutions
that worked for me is moving it further away, using strong
items from Quantum Products, or switching back to a CRT.
But I really haven't experimented nearly as much with LCDs
as I have with CRTs, so I'm willing to admit that there
may be a simple solution that I never tried.

> I do have an OM slimline polariser and though I found that it did
> help but also made me feel worse in some ways so havent used it much
> since I bought it which was about 3 yrs ago but will see if that
> helps too.

Yes, I have made the mistake of using the Springlife Polarizers
too much as well. I think excessive use of these will mobilize
more toxins than your body can handle, which is essentially
what the EMF is doing as well. However, limiting your use
of these to particular situations (or placing them on whatever
is emitting the EMF rather than on you) can be more helpful
than not using them at all. But perhaps not for LCD monitors.
For these, your best bet is stuff from Quantum Products, and
maybe to a small degree, the RADAR card that I mentioned
previously (put on the monitor, not you)

Marc

charles wrote:
> Marc constantly *forgets* te mention the inexpensive, but good working
> Bioprotect card.
> Many people have positive results.

I didn't forget... I just didn't find it that helpful for me.
If someone else finds it helpful, they can certainly suggest it! :-)

Also, the last time I checked, the Bioprotect card is harder
to purchase in the US. Most items I suggest can be ordered
with a credit card online or with a phone call.

Marc

In a message dated 5/25/2007 12:58:28 PM GMT Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:

I have found, that many LCD as well as CRT monitors do emit signals around
30 kHz.
For these signals, electrosensibles may react heavily.

Some flat screen TV's (LCD) do emit less than others, even from the same
branch.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens




PAUL UK Replies
I recently bought a second hand 15 inch LCD to use with my laptop, but new
within seconds that it was not going to work - My scalp became very tight and
sore a bad sign for me and not so regular these days since I started avoidance
regime. The LCD actually was emitting a similar efeild and emf when
compared to an equivelant sized CRT !

paul uk






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> I do have an OM slimline polariser and though I found that it did
> help but also made me feel worse in some ways

Re-reading this, I'm not sure which polarizer you have. There
is an "OM pendant" which is a small cylinder that is 2" long.
Then there is a "Slimeline" which is a much larger "brick"
that is 4" by 2" by 0.5". If you have the latter, I can see
why that would be making you feel worse -- that one is way
too strong for me to be used for any length of time!

But if they are too strong, you can lessen their effect
by only using them for limited amounts of time each day,
or keeping them at a distance. For example, placing them
in back of your computer monitor or on top of your computer
will mean that you are only exposed to them while using the
computer, and from a distance.

Another thing you can do is put them in your fuse box
or on the main incoming water pipe, which has only
a very slight effect spread out over the house.

By the way, here is a photo of the various polarizers I
own... the Slimline is on the far left, and the OM has
a black cord attached to it:

http://ufoseries.com/polarizers.jpg

Marc

> Another thing you can do is put them in your fuse box
> or on the main incoming water pipe, which has only
> a very slight effect spread out over the house.

Oh! Another thing you can try with new electronics
is this -- set it aside with a large polarizer
sitting on top of it for a couple of days. Then
try it again.

I have found on a couple occasions that this helps
(or that it is a coincidence?). For example, with
a new digital camera and a new HD cable box that
both bothered me initially, but then much less
so after they had been "polarized". Unbelievable
I know, but perhaps more believable if it works
for anyone else... :-)

Marc

Hi Marc,

Thanks again for all your messages, I really appreciate all the info and suggestions.
 
It does make sense about the distance between us and the computer. I have moved it to
the back of my desk so will see if that helps at all....at least thats one good thing about
having a slimline monitor. I didnt have a clue that some LCDs contain fluorescent lighting
- I am quite sensitive to fluorescent lighting and generally try to avoid it. I think its
because I have mercury toxicity and I know that they contain mercury. I did check with the
company though and they assure me that the lighting is very likely to be LED not
fluorescent. Assuming it is LED would that still be considered a high voltage? I am
wondering if that or the EMFs have had some effect on the mercury in my body/brain as I
have been feeling truly awful mentally and assuming that some sort of crossreaction is
going on.

> If I used a CRT monitor on a daily basis, I am less sensitive to
> florescent lights (which of course are everywhere). If I use an
> LCD monitor on a daily basis, I become more sensitive to florescent
> lights over a period of several days. Also, I find that I have
> to use more EMF protection devices with an LCD than a CRT --
> specifically, the more powerful ones from Quantum Products
> (Quantum Pro, etc.). A Springlife Polarizer doesn't seem
> to provide much benefit with an LCD, however, it works quite
> well with a CRT.

Thanks for sharing that, its very interesting and it does sound like overexposure to
fluorescent lighting doesnt it. Its good that the Quantum Products are able to give you
some protection, they definitely sound like good products!


> There are those glass screens that can pick up some of the EMF
> and divert it to a ground wire, but I didn't get much relief
> from that. You can also dim the monitor to a minimum brightness
> level, but again that didn't help me much. The only solutions
> that worked for me is moving it further away, using strong
> items from Quantum Products, or switching back to a CRT.
> But I really haven't experimented nearly as much with LCDs
> as I have with CRTs, so I'm willing to admit that there
> may be a simple solution that I never tried.


Thats a shame the glass screen didnt help you much, I did some searching earlier and
found I was going to try. Was it something like this that you tried?...  

http://tinyurl.com/2zthkc

I have the same problem in that dimming the brightness hasnt made much of adifference.


Thanks for all that, I was using the 3 inch OM pendant and I remember having it on me all
the time but I cant be 100% sure if it was that causing the problem at the time actually. For
now I have put it on my monitor just in case. I will definitely look into the Quantum
Products and let you know if anything helps. Its much more convincing to hear that they
have benefitted someone else.

Thanks for being so helpful Marc, you've given me lots of great suggestionsI'll let you
know how I get on.

Best wishes,

Anne

> I did check with the company though and they assure me that
> the lighting is very likely to be LED not fluorescent.

Really? What brand/model number is it? LED backlighting
is currently rare & expensive, and not likely to be in
a monitor unless you specifically sought it out.

> Assuming it is LED would that still be considered a
> high voltage?

I don't believe so -- I believe the high voltage on an
LCD monitor is purely to power the florescent backlight.
LEDs run on low voltage. However, an LED backlit
monitor may not solve problems if you are reacting
to the computer chips which drive the LCD. (I'm
certainly planning on trying/buying an LED backlit
monitor when they become cheaper)

> I am wondering if that or the EMFs have had some effect
> on the mercury in my body/brain

I think that certain types of frequencies can "stir
up" toxins into your bloodstream. This would not cause much
problem if your detoxification organs are working
perfectly. I suspect that people who have ES are
not able to handle all the toxins that are stirred
up by EMF.

> Thats a shame the glass screen didnt help you much,
> I did some searching earlier and found I was going to
> try. Was it something like this that you tried?...
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2zthkc

The one I tried didn't have any "privacy" features
or glare reduction -- it was simply designed to
block EMF, and had a grounding wire.

> Thanks for all that, I was using the 3 inch OM
> pendant and I remember having it on me all
> the time

Yes, using one all the time may cause problems
(again, having to do with toxin mobilization,
I suspect), but using it just in circumstances
where you are in a harmful environment can
be useful. (I find mine is also good for pollen
allergies and pollution)

Marc

Okay, I just did a search, and here is a place
you can order a Bioprotect card online:

http://company4you.nl/shop/product_info.php?language=en&pName=bioprotect-card

And here:

http://wasserladenshop.de/product_info.php/products_id/185/product/BioProtect_Card.html

Marc

Hi again Marc,

You were totally right about these monitors using fluorescent lamps
for the lighting! I phoned the company again this morning and spoke
to someone else who knew more about it and told me they use a cold
cathode fluorescent lamp. As you rightly said they dont use LEDs
because they are more expensive. So I guess that is what has been
causing the problem for me and its a relief to know why. It doesnt
seem to flicker though but I am sensitive to normal light sometimes
anyway and it just seems far too bright for me. Thanks for letting
me know about that, I dont think I would have guessed otherwise. I
think I might still try an anti-glare screen to see if that makes any
difference and if not then look into the Quantum Products or just go
back to my old CRT!

It makes sense what you say about not being able to handle the toxins
stirred up, thats exactly what it felt like and I do still have a
long way to go in terms of my mercury detox and strengthening my
detox system.

Thanks once again, you've been a great help.

Take care,

Anne




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