MSG may be half the problem?

I have been very conscious lately of avoiding any food that
might possibly have glutamate (MSG). It's not easy--even Trader Joe's
*organic* salad dressing has hydrolyzed vegetable protein (something
like 40% glutamate). Meat has glutamate, and I'm still eating it,
but less.

I just ate some soup at a "good" restaurant. As soon as I tasted it I
became
suspicious (tasted extra salty... yet not like when you add a lot of salt
yourself). But I ate it and now sure enough my EHS symptoms are worse...

I'm now of the opinion that MSG should be avoided vigilantly. It's a known
neurotoxin. Lots of non EHS people feel the same way...see
truthInLabeling.org...

Theoretically, zinc may be a first-aid remedy for MSG...


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Really? Zinc compensates for MSG? WOW cool! I take Tri-salts and Buffered Vit C when I have mild chemical exposures and for heavier ones I take them in powered form in water and drink.
HOw much Zinc? What brand?
Kris




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From: Bill Bruno <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Tue, March 23, 2010 4:22:21 PM
Subject: [eSens] MSG may be half the problem?

I have been very conscious lately of avoiding any food that
might possibly have glutamate (MSG). It's not easy--even Trader Joe's
*organic* salad dressing has hydrolyzed vegetable protein (something
like 40% glutamate). Meat has glutamate, and I'm still eating it,
but less.

I just ate some soup at a "good" restaurant. As soon as I tasted it I
became
suspicious (tasted extra salty... yet not like when you add a lot of salt
yourself). But I ate it and now sure enough my EHS symptoms are worse...

I'm now of the opinion that MSG should be avoided vigilantly. It's a known
neurotoxin. Lots of non EHS people feel the same way...see
truthInLabeling.org...

Theoretically, zinc may be a first-aid remedy for MSG...


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I said theoretically. I am trying zinc picolinate.
Another thing to try is quercetin.

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In a message dated 23/03/2010 22:38:50 GMT Standard Time, [hidden email]
writes:

I said theoretically. I am trying zinc picolinate.
Another thing to try is quercetin.

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 4:27 PM, K <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
>
> Really? Zinc compensates for MSG? WOW cool! I take Tri-salts and Buffered
> Vit C when I have mild chemical exposures and for heavier ones I take
them known
> neurotoxin. Lots of non EHS people feel the same way...see
> truthInLabeling.org...
>
> Theoretically, zinc may be a first-aid remedy for MSG...
>


PUK REPLIES - I think that you are correct any additives like this are best
avoided, I am definately worse after stuffing my face with all and sundry
!


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writes:

>
> I have been very conscious lately of avoiding any food that
> might possibly have glutamate (MSG). It's not easy--even Trader Joe's
> *organic* salad dressing has hydrolyzed vegetable protein (something
> like 40% glutamate). Meat has glutamate, and I'm still eating it,
> but less.



puk replies - can you remind us of the different names guises this product
comes in ?


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http://www.msgmyth.com/hidename.htm

This is a good site to refer to about the hidden names of MSG
Kris




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Sent: Wed, March 24, 2010 4:59:53 AM
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In a message dated 23/03/2010 22:38:50 GMT Standard Time, [hidden email]
writes:

>
> I have been very conscious lately of avoiding any food that
> might possibly have glutamate (MSG). It's not easy--even Trader Joe's
> *organic* salad dressing has hydrolyzed vegetable protein (something
> like 40% glutamate). Meat has glutamate, and I'm still eating it,
> but less.



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hydrolyzed protein or any caseinate mean lots of glutamate.
Natural flavors can imply glutamate too.

I recommend the books "Excitotoxins the taste that kills"
and "Secrets of Nutrition", although they are fairly dense,
written by a neurosurgeon whose father died of Parkinson's.
Bill

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Based on that secondary list we can't eat anything!

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Based on that secondary list we can't eat anything!

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> Based on that secondary list we can't eat anything!

You can still eat from the fruits and vegetables aisle...
probably a good thing to do for anyone!

Marc

everything must be made from scratch. Even your broths for soup.
Kris




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Sent: Wed, March 24, 2010 1:38:13 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] MSG may be half the problem?

> Based on that secondary list we can't eat anything!

You can still eat from the fruits and vegetables aisle...
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For a while in the US, MSG was an ingredient in
pesticides. It may still be used elsewhere...

The Excitotoxin book says avoid as much glutamate
as you can, and take things like acetyl-L-carnitine,
also ALA, taurine...

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Hi, Kris,
 
You write:
everything must be made from scratch. Even your broths for soup.

(me:)
Yes, that is the way I go, too.  About the only thing I still buy manufactured are corn tortillas and I am having problems now finding the healthy(ier) brand locally.
 
Diane

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To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, March 24, 2010, 4:00 PM


 



everything must be made from scratch. Even your broths for soup.
Kris

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From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com>
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wed, March 24, 2010 1:38:13 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] MSG may be half the problem?

> Based on that secondary list we can't eat anything!

You can still eat from the fruits and vegetables aisle...
probably a good thing to do for anyone!

Marc

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I've noticed some I can tolerate and others not, but hadn't realized it could be a brand issue. What brand of corn tortillas do you buy usually?

I do get an organic Free Range Chicken and Beef broth from Pacific foods that I can tolerate really well. That helps a lot to have these as the base of my cooking.
Kris




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From: Evie <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Thu, March 25, 2010 2:47:08 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] MSG may be half the problem?

Hi, Kris,

You write:
everything must be made from scratch. Even your broths for soup.

(me:)
Yes, that is the way I go, too. About the only thing I still buy manufactured are corn tortillas and I am having problems now finding the healthy(ier) brand locally.

Diane

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Subject: Re: [eSens] MSG may be half the problem?
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, March 24, 2010, 4:00 PM






everything must be made from scratch. Even your broths for soup.
Kris

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From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com>
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wed, March 24, 2010 1:38:13 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] MSG may be half the problem?

> Based on that secondary list we can't eat anything!

You can still eat from the fruits and vegetables aisle...
probably a good thing to do for anyone!

Marc

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Hi Kris,
 
I buy Azteca corn tortillas, usually.  They didn't used to have anything in them but water, corn, and lime juice when I started buying them.  Awhile back they began adding fumaric acid but now the newones I bought have also a calcium preservative and guar gum.  I thinkthis is bad news, so I am either going to look for a new brand or going to make my own.  I use guar gum, that isn't the issue; the issue is they are no longer pure ingredients--too many additives now. 
 
Diane

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From: K <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] MSG may be half the problem?
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, March 26, 2010, 11:38 PM


 



I've noticed some I can tolerate and others not, but hadn't realized it could be a brand issue. What brand of corn tortillas do you buy usually?

I do get an organic Free Range Chicken and Beef broth from Pacific foods that I can tolerate really well. That helps a lot to have these as the base of my cooking.
Kris

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From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Thu, March 25, 2010 2:47:08 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] MSG may be half the problem?

Hi, Kris,

You write:
everything must be made from scratch. Even your broths for soup.

(me:)
Yes, that is the way I go, too. About the only thing I still buy manufactured are corn tortillas and I am having problems now finding the healthy(ier)brand locally.

Diane

--- On Wed, 3/24/10, K <kfarming@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: K <kfarming@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] MSG may be half the problem?
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, March 24, 2010, 4:00 PM

everything must be made from scratch. Even your broths for soup.
Kris

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From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com>
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wed, March 24, 2010 1:38:13 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] MSG may be half the problem?

> Based on that secondary list we can't eat anything!

You can still eat from the fruits and vegetables aisle...
probably a good thing to do for anyone!

Marc

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Ooops, Kris,
 
Sent too soon.  Was going to mention I had problems with Pacific Foodsbroths.  They seemed to be contaminated with gluten and they specifically say gf!  So if you have problems with being very sensitive to glutens, be especially careful of that brand. (But I have seen the same problem with other brands too--it is like playing Russian roulette when I use canned broth.  It is the one item which I never know ahead of time whether it is going to cause a reaction.  I had to begin making my own due to that. 
 
Be well, Diane

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From: K <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] MSG may be half the problem?
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, March 26, 2010, 11:38 PM


 



I've noticed some I can tolerate and others not, but hadn't realized it could be a brand issue. What brand of corn tortillas do you buy usually?

I do get an organic Free Range Chicken and Beef broth from Pacific foods that I can tolerate really well. That helps a lot to have these as the base of my cooking.
Kris

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From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Thu, March 25, 2010 2:47:08 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] MSG may be half the problem?

Hi, Kris,

You write:
everything must be made from scratch. Even your broths for soup.

(me:)
Yes, that is the way I go, too. About the only thing I still buy manufactured are corn tortillas and I am having problems now finding the healthy(ier)brand locally.

Diane

--- On Wed, 3/24/10, K <kfarming@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: K <kfarming@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] MSG may be half the problem?
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, March 24, 2010, 4:00 PM

everything must be made from scratch. Even your broths for soup.
Kris

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From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com>
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wed, March 24, 2010 1:38:13 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] MSG may be half the problem?

> Based on that secondary list we can't eat anything!

You can still eat from the fruits and vegetables aisle...
probably a good thing to do for anyone!

Marc

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It's not the gluten that I am allergic to, I have a mild wheat allergy due to candida issues. I seem to do fine with these broths but then again I always have a headache( that's usually my symptom) so who knows what it's from these days. too many variables. I can understand about other ingredients in the tortillas. Wish I paid more attention(while working at an orphanage in Mexico how to make them from scratch. :(
Kris




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From: Evie <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Sat, March 27, 2010 5:04:11 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] MSG may be half the problem?

Ooops, Kris,

Sent too soon. Was going to mention I had problems with Pacific Foods broths. They seemed to be contaminated with gluten and they specifically say gf! So if you have problems with being very sensitive to glutens, be especially careful of that brand. (But I have seen the same problem with other brands too--it is like playing Russian roulette when I use canned broth. It is the one item which I never know ahead of time whether it is going to cause a reaction. I had to begin making my own due to that.

Be well, Diane

--- On Fri, 3/26/10, K <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: K <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] MSG may be half the problem?
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, March 26, 2010, 11:38 PM






I've noticed some I can tolerate and others not, but hadn't realized it could be a brand issue. What brand of corn tortillas do you buy usually?

I do get an organic Free Range Chicken and Beef broth from Pacific foods that I can tolerate really well. That helps a lot to have these as the base of my cooking.
Kris

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From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Thu, March 25, 2010 2:47:08 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] MSG may be half the problem?

Hi, Kris,

You write:
everything must be made from scratch. Even your broths for soup.

(me:)
Yes, that is the way I go, too. About the only thing I still buy manufactured are corn tortillas and I am having problems now finding the healthy(ier) brand locally.

Diane

--- On Wed, 3/24/10, K <kfarming@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: K <kfarming@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] MSG may be half the problem?
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, March 24, 2010, 4:00 PM

everything must be made from scratch. Even your broths for soup.
Kris

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From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com>
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wed, March 24, 2010 1:38:13 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] MSG may be half the problem?

> Based on that secondary list we can't eat anything!

You can still eat from the fruits and vegetables aisle...
probably a good thing to do for anyone!

Marc

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I just looked up Pacific Food Beef broth,
contains "autolyzed yeast extract" which is
another form of glutamate (MSG).

It just occurred to me I did have tick bites several
years ago... I don't think it was the Lyme disease
kind, but not positive. Are there other diseases
I can get tested for?

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Hi, Kris,
 
Sorry to hear re your candida and headaches.  I had real problemswith candida too.  The interesting thing about candida is their "bodies" [for lack of a more scientific term ;) ] have an appendage which has an almost identical chemical structure as gliaden--the part of gluten that most people with "gluten" sensitivity are most reactive to.  So a gluten sensitive person often reacts to candida too.  (Not that one necessarily needs to be gluten intolerant to react to candida.)
 
Take care,
Diane

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Subject: Re: [eSens] MSG may be half the problem?
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, March 29, 2010, 11:26 AM


 



It's not the gluten that I am allergic to, I have a mild wheat allergy due to candida issues. I seem to do fine with these broths but then again I always have a headache( that's usually my symptom) so who knows what it's fromthese days. too many variables. I can understand about other ingredients in the tortillas. Wish I paid more attention(while working at an orphanage in Mexico how to make them from scratch. :(
Kris

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From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sat, March 27, 2010 5:04:11 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] MSG may be half the problem?

Ooops, Kris,

Sent too soon. Was going to mention I had problems with Pacific Foods broths. They seemed to be contaminated with gluten and they specifically say gf!So if you have problems with being very sensitive to glutens, be especially careful of that brand. (But I have seen the same problem with other brands too--it is like playing Russian roulette when I use canned broth. It is the one item which I never know ahead of time whether it is going to cause areaction. I had to begin making my own due to that.

Be well, Diane

--- On Fri, 3/26/10, K <kfarming@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: K <kfarming@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] MSG may be half the problem?
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, March 26, 2010, 11:38 PM

I've noticed some I can tolerate and others not, but hadn't realized it could be a brand issue. What brand of corn tortillas do you buy usually?

I do get an organic Free Range Chicken and Beef broth from Pacific foods that I can tolerate really well. That helps a lot to have these as the base of my cooking.
Kris

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From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Thu, March 25, 2010 2:47:08 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] MSG may be half the problem?

Hi, Kris,

You write:
everything must be made from scratch. Even your broths for soup.

(me:)
Yes, that is the way I go, too. About the only thing I still buy manufactured are corn tortillas and I am having problems now finding the healthy(ier)brand locally.

Diane

--- On Wed, 3/24/10, K <kfarming@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: K <kfarming@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] MSG may be half the problem?
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, March 24, 2010, 4:00 PM

everything must be made from scratch. Even your broths for soup.
Kris

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From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com>
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wed, March 24, 2010 1:38:13 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] MSG may be half the problem?

> Based on that secondary list we can't eat anything!

You can still eat from the fruits and vegetables aisle...
probably a good thing to do for anyone!

Marc

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