MRI and ES

Hi all!

I need some advice. I've had ES for a couple of years, and am now
sheduled for an MRI. As you can understand, I have my concerns about
this.

Has anybody on this list developed ES or increased their sensitivity
to EMFs by doing an MRI?

How normal would you say the numbness/prickling-symtpom is for EMF
sensitive people?

I'd highly appreciate any comments.

Thanks in advance.

PS! For those of you wondering: A MRI (Magnetic Resonance Imaging)
is a procedure where you spend some time in a strong pulsating
magnetic field, usually for taking pictures of your brain, looking
for signs of illness.

> How normal would you say the numbness/prickling-symtpom is for EMF
> sensitive people?

I've never had much numbness, but I have had a the "prickling"
symptom on my skin in the past. This seems to be due to free-radical
damage, and can be solved with antioxidants.

Marc

I think Sue met one person at hospital (out of a large number) whose ES was
triggered by an MRI. I guess it depends on whether you already feel
sensitive to magnetic fields (as against electric fields or microwaves) and
whether you feel at the moment that you are getting better or worse, ES-wise
and general. People with weakened immune systems seem especially prone to
getting extra complications and becoming sensitive to additional
frequencies.
Ian

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kefirisgood
Sent: 10 October 2006 15:51
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Subject: [eSens] MRI and ES



Hi all!

I need some advice. I've had ES for a couple of years, and am now
sheduled for an MRI. As you can understand, I have my concerns about
this.

Has anybody on this list developed ES or increased their sensitivity
to EMFs by doing an MRI?

How normal would you say the numbness/prickling-symtpom is for EMF
sensitive people?

I'd highly appreciate any comments.

Thanks in advance.

PS! For those of you wondering: A MRI (Magnetic Resonance Imaging)
is a procedure where you spend some time in a strong pulsating
magnetic field, usually for taking pictures of your brain, looking
for signs of illness.



 


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hi had similar issues 2-3 mths ago when went for my Brain MRI having ES symptoms not bothered by the MRI & worked out fine &
   
you shouldnt be bothered, again depending what type sensitivies you are having? mine more wave length w/ cellphone band &
   
MRI must be totaly differnt? sheila

Ian Kemp <[hidden email]> wrote:
I think Sue met one person at hospital (out of a large number) whose ES was
triggered by an MRI. I guess it depends on whether you already feel
sensitive to magnetic fields (as against electric fields or microwaves) and
whether you feel at the moment that you are getting better or worse, ES-wise
and general. People with weakened immune systems seem especially prone to
getting extra complications and becoming sensitive to additional
frequencies.
Ian

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From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
kefirisgood
Sent: 10 October 2006 15:51
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [eSens] MRI and ES

Hi all!

I need some advice. I've had ES for a couple of years, and am now
sheduled for an MRI. As you can understand, I have my concerns about
this.

Has anybody on this list developed ES or increased their sensitivity
to EMFs by doing an MRI?

How normal would you say the numbness/prickling-symtpom is for EMF
sensitive people?

I'd highly appreciate any comments.

Thanks in advance.

PS! For those of you wondering: A MRI (Magnetic Resonance Imaging)
is a procedure where you spend some time in a strong pulsating
magnetic field, usually for taking pictures of your brain, looking
for signs of illness.

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I have had numbness associated with severe joint pain, but now the joint
pain has gone (quantum coherent space device) I have just started to get
numbess down one leg and foot. The prickling under the skin used to happen
when I was sleeping, but a grounding sheet on the bed stopped that.
(powerline interference in home).
Cheers Helen.

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MRI is magnetic resonance imaging. It involves both magnetic fields and
radiofrequency (RF) waves. If someone's ES includes susceptibility to
magnetic fields, MRI seems likely to have an effect. Yes, cellphones etc
are in the microwave band, which is a far higher wave frequency, and a
different effect. But again, if someone's immune system is very weakened,
exposure to a new source may make them susceptible to something they weren't
before. Judging from responses to this group and other people we've met,
this is how ~80% of people develop ES and linked sensitivities (which can
include strong light, noise etc). I'm not aware of anyone having
sensitivity to radio frequencies (which would include domestic radio sets
and aerials); has anyone else in the group got other evidence?
Ian

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sheila wade
Sent: 11 October 2006 01:17
To: [hidden email]
Subject: RE: [eSens] MRI and ES



hi had similar issues 2-3 mths ago when went for my Brain MRI having ES
symptoms not bothered by the MRI & worked out fine &

you shouldnt be bothered, again depending what type sensitivies you are
having? mine more wave length w/ cellphone band &

MRI must be totaly differnt? sheila

Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@ <mailto:ianandsue.kemp%40ukgateway.net>
ukgateway.net> wrote:
I think Sue met one person at hospital (out of a large number) whose ES was
triggered by an MRI. I guess it depends on whether you already feel
sensitive to magnetic fields (as against electric fields or microwaves) and
whether you feel at the moment that you are getting better or worse, ES-wise
and general. People with weakened immune systems seem especially prone to
getting extra complications and becoming sensitive to additional
frequencies.
Ian

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Subject: [eSens] MRI and ES

Hi all!

I need some advice. I've had ES for a couple of years, and am now
sheduled for an MRI. As you can understand, I have my concerns about
this.

Has anybody on this list developed ES or increased their sensitivity
to EMFs by doing an MRI?

How normal would you say the numbness/prickling-symtpom is for EMF
sensitive people?

I'd highly appreciate any comments.

Thanks in advance.

PS! For those of you wondering: A MRI (Magnetic Resonance Imaging)
is a procedure where you spend some time in a strong pulsating
magnetic field, usually for taking pictures of your brain, looking
for signs of illness.

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I am sensitive to radio and TV signals from towers. It is the main
reason why I moved the last time is because I couldn't get far enough
away from a TV tower.
Andrew
On Oct 11, 2006, at 2:58 PM, Ian Kemp wrote:

Kefir - me too. The numbness is probably due to the fact that
radiation causes everything to speed up (blood pressure, metabolsim
etc.) and since I already have arteries clogged by cholesterol and
nanobacterial-calcifications, the bottleneck caused by the LCD-
incuded high blood pressure causes the numbness.

It's the same idea as your foot going to sleep (i.e. numbness) when
you sit on it. The pressure of sitting on your leg mimicks arteries
that are clogged by cholesterol & calcifications. Upon removal of
pressure, your blood rushes too quickly, creating bottleneck &
prickling.

Cholesterol & nanobacterial detox might help both of us.

Lately, light radiation from my LCD causes me borderline numbness as
well as onset of spasms or twitches in REALLY odd spots of my body
such as eyelids, insteps, nose, brain, you name it.

It's all HORRIBLE. It's why you see me post only seldom.
In fact, I wonder how the frequent posters on this Group can have all
that much ES - with the exceptions of those who use projectors, or
Drasko who uses monocular? Beats me!

Minni

> It's all HORRIBLE. It's why you see me post only seldom.
> In fact, I wonder how the frequent posters on this Group can have all
> that much ES - with the exceptions of those who use projectors, or
> Drasko who uses monocular? Beats me!

Well, some of us (like myself) have had great results from
detoxification,
using antioxidants, and using EMF protection devices. Otherwise, I
wouldn't be able to run this group!

Marc

Kefirisgood-RE: MRI - My primary initial symptoms involved tingling,
numbness of my R side of head, R leg and R arm and feeling sick
(dull, heavy, hangover head, nausea) which rapidly gave way to
extreme head pain with cell phone use, powerlines and cell towers and
literal currents running through toes, feet, leg, hand, arm with use
of computer mouse, proximity to computer tower, use of cell phone. I
am now extremely sensitive to other electrical things (see prev
post). Initial symptom, not recognized as ES then: 4 1/2-5 yrs ago I
started 'hearing' a low throbbing/pulsing drone/buzz which no one
else could hear. The sound was/is percieved to be a buzzing/vibration
in my head and was/is sometimes so loud I can hardly stand it(it is
accompanied by ear pain & irritability). I could always 'leave' the
sound by going somewhere else so I realized that it was not tinitus.  
I now know, beyond a doubt, this is an ES symptom the presence and
intensity of which is triggered by EMF exposure. (Incidently, the
sound I hear is recognized as 'the hum' and there is yahoo group for
hearers of this sound called 'hum forum' although there are some ES
people in the group, I don't know whether they yet recognize it as a
symptom of ES. I've been meaning to write them about it). Anyway,
prior to the onset of this sound 2 things occurred: 1) A cell tower
positioned at a lower sea-level than my home had recently started
transmissions less than 1 1/2 mi away (my house is on top of a hill &
I estimate (based on sea-level, tower/house height, distance from
ground of antennae) direct transmissions from antennae to be approx
30' above my home. Of course, the signal broadens cone shape-like
from tower and my home is being bombarded. 2)Also prior to the onset
of the ES sound, I had an MRI of the head and an EEG (due to
tremendous handwriting difficulty I recognized as a symptom of
Parkinson's, MS. I now also know, without a doubt, that this also
was a symptom of ES as it would come and go and, given my current
extreme sensitivity to circuit breaker boxes/electrical wiring for
alarms and such, I realize that my greatest difficulty with
handwriting occurred when I was in the presence of these things as I
frequently wrote at desks in the presence of these things (which now
cause me tremendous discomfort/pain) at different facilities where I
worked. (MRI turned out 'normal'). Another point, I recently wrote
about a person I was working with who had an MRI 2 days prior to
onset of numbness, tingling, sleep-like sensation of leg, arm and
face/head for which she was hospitalized for suspected CVA (tests for
which were negative). Since this person described the sensation as
sometimes seeming to run up & down her leg/arm, I suspected ES having
been tweeked by the MRI. I subsequently found that the powerline ran
directly into the side wall of her small home in what appeared to be
her kitchen area where she is likely to spend a majority of her time.

So...I believe it is possible that MRI could and may be likely to
increase ES symptoms or possibly trigger them. Weigh your benefit vs.
risk. I often wonder if I should have another to rule out tumor d/t
cell phone use given my pain symptoms in presence of cell
phones/towers. Obviously this would be valuable info for tx planning
but, for me, it could mean further injury. What to do?? If you
proceed with an MRI, be sure to STRICTLY LIMIT your EMF exposure both
before and after the MRI procedure. This may be effective in
preventing increased sensitivity. I would appreciate it if you would
please let me know if you proceed with it, whether you feel it was
beneficial and how you tolerated it.

I hope this has been helpful. Good luck! Christine

--- In [hidden email], "kefirisgood" <kefirisgood@...> wrote:
>
> Has anybody on this list developed ES or increased their
sensitivity
> to EMFs by doing an MRI?
> How normal would you say the numbness/prickling-symtpom is for EMF
> sensitive people?
> I'd highly appreciate any comments.

I sit draped with EMF shielding fabric sround my body, a scarf of it
over my head, EMF gloves on my fingers (sometimes one of them of my R
foot), and sometimes my EMF hat over my EMF scarf as I use the
computer. It helps but isn't perfect-a couple hours scourging the
internet for info leaves me reeling with symptoms for quite a while,
often into the next day. At the time, the benefit outweighs the risk
as I am quite sensitive, have much to learn, minimal contacts who may
help me and an MD who is requesting info on ES for potential dx/tx of a
potential ES pt. I don't mean to waste your time with this message,
just to let you know I realize how miserable you must be and that I am
ever-so-grateful that you initiated and continue to
moderate/participate in this group sharing your wisdom/experience and
providing a venue for us all to do the same.

BY THE WAY, Does ANYONE know of a way to shield 60Hz?? 'Less EMF' does
not have products to shield 60Hz. Except maybe mumetal -What exactly
is mumetal - does anyone know what it is comprised of? Anyway, I am
familiar with 'dirty electricity', have Stetzer filters and Earth Calm
in, pendent on but I need to experiment with shielding 60Hz as this is
reported to be a common sensitivity among ES and no doubt, I have it.
Thanks to all, Christine

--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote:
>
> > It's all HORRIBLE. It's why you see me post only seldom.
> > In fact, I wonder how the frequent posters on this Group can have
all

I used to drape myself with shielding also. The energy would build up
on my face and body if the material wasn't grounded. I am not sure what
you mean about shielding the 60 Hz. Do you mean building a structure
that will block all of the 60 Hz vibrations from all the wiring in just
one location?
There are metal sheets at Lessemf.com that blocks magnetic fields and I
believe will block 60 Hz from radiating toward you.
The only way I know is to turn the power off at the breaker box.
Good luck and let me know what you find out.
thanks,
Andrew



On Oct 12, 2006, at 11:35 AM, eleccentric wrote:

HI Christine,

When you ask for shielding 60 Hz, I assume you mean magnetic fields?

We (LessEMF.com) have several materials for shield low frequency magnetic
fields, including mumetal, and other alloys. See
http://www.lessemf.com/mag-shld.html

There are no paints, fabrics nor other shortcuts for shielding magnetic
fields, with one exception:
Active cancellation is a method of producing and equal opposing field which
cancels the offending field. This is suitable when you have:

- a low frequency field (such as 60 Hz)
- a small field gradient, meaning the field doesn't change much with
distance (that is, you are fairly far from the source)
- a large sum of money, as this involves a site visit by an engineer who
custom designs and installs the system for your situation

Let us know if you are interested, we can refer you.

Best regards,

Emil



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From: "eleccentric" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 11:35 AM
Subject: [eSens] Re: Marc-thanks for involvement!/Shield 60Hz?

Do you mean 60khz.
By the way I felt a strange sensation when my son used the blue light on his
wrist watch tonight, I could hear a high pitch sound, he could also audible
to most humans I guess but when I drew it closer to my face I could feel a
heat being omitted from it. I tested it with the Trifeild 100xe and this showed
a High emf when the light was used. Just when you think your safe and all
that...
Paul


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Well I tried plenty of all those (understatement) & they didn't work
for me. Neither did EMF devices work for Derek Bishop who used to run a
kundalini site, but that site seems to be defunct.

Everyone is different - otherwise why would there be ES people living
out west who barely use electronics? For example, I was once in touch
with a former doctor who became ultrasensitive from a series of xrays.
And not everyone detoxifies easily. You can't imagine how many things
I've tried, and still at it.

BTW, I *am* considering hands-free binoculars, though.

Minni


--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote:
>
> > It's all HORRIBLE. It's why you see me post only seldom.
> > In fact, I wonder how the frequent posters on this Group can have
all

After reading what ES people through with draping themselves, and all
sorts of shielding, and YET...

QUOTE:
still feeling sick after "scourging" the www for info
ENDQUOTE

any wonder I'm convinced that different posters on eSens have
different levels (and maybe different types) of sensitivities?

Frankly, I think it's correlated to the amount of calcified nanobac
resident in each of us. For example, both myself & a VERY ill
acquaintance of mine, both developed heart palpitations.

I **used** to think the palpitations were due to my computer. Now,
after hearing that she got palps from using Silica, I realize the
palps were due to the Silica which had been recommended to both of us
by the same practitioner. Yet the practitioner who had recommended
Silica to *both* of us was skeptical when my acquaintance told him of
her palps. So I contacted him to explain that it's probably due to
the Silica loosening nanobac from our arterial walls, THAT'S why we
probably both got the palps. And you know what? He agreed that made
sense.

Minni


--- In [hidden email], "m.a.norman" <m.a.norman@...> wrote:
>
> You need a photograph of yourself suffering in this way, I've had
to live
> like
> this too. It's torture.
>
> Maureen
>
>