MAN SELLING BOOK CLAIMING TO CURE EH

Do you ever feel like you are being taken for a ride?

I mean, if I found a cure for this, I would be putting it on the web FOR FREE as my gift to mankind!

He wants $39 or 25 pounds for the e-books. Am I a fool to even consider buying it?  Sheesh. Sometimes I despair.

http://www.electricsense.com/electrical-sensitivity-book-review/

i have come to trust lloyd…
he worked himself through his
own sensitivity to EMF.  
is that $39 total or for each book?  
patricia

On Apr 21, 2013, at 7:49 AM, egg_chips_and_beans <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Do you ever feel like you are being taken for a ride?
>
> I mean, if I found a cure for this, I would be putting it on the web FOR FREE as my gift to mankind!
>
> He wants $39 or 25 pounds for the e-books. Am I a fool to even consider buying it?  Sheesh. Sometimes I despair.
>
> http://www.electricsense.com/electrical-sensitivity-book-review/




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I found a cure for this AND have put it on the web FOR FREE, but not many were interested.

After 15 years of research, I came to the conclusion, that most electrosensitives are sick, they have a damaged immune system.
By repairing their immune system, the sensitivity for elektrosmog will go down.

Many electrosensitives do have a chronical Calcium shortage, and on top of that, they also do have a Calcium loss.
But they also do have a lot of bacteria, virusses, worms and parasites, and as long as they are not treated, you may have a problem.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.minderstraling.nl
www.hetbitje.nl
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  From: egg_chips_and_beans
  To: [hidden email]
  Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 1:49 PM
  Subject: [eSens] MAN SELLING BOOK CLAIMING TO CURE EH


  Do you ever feel like you are being taken for a ride?

  I mean, if I found a cure for this, I would be putting it on the web FOR FREE as my gift to mankind!

  He wants $39 or 25 pounds for the e-books. Am I a fool to even consider buying it?  Sheesh. Sometimes I despair.

  http://www.electricsense.com/electrical-sensitivity-book-review/



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On April 21, "egg_chips_and_beans" <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Do you ever feel like you are being taken for a ride?
> I mean, if I found a cure for this, I would be putting it on the web FOR FREE as my gift to mankind!
> He wants $39 or 25 pounds for the e-books. Am I a fool to even consider buying it?  Sheesh. Sometimes I despair.
> http://www.electricsense.com/electrical-sensitivity-book-review/

Well, some people DO need to earn a living, somehow.  It's nice that you would
write something and give it away for free, but most people are not going to do that.

That said, there are free websites already, for example:
  http://www.electrical-sensitivity.info/

Frankly, some people spend thousands, tens of thousands, etc. dollars to overcome
an illness like this.  $39 is nothing.

Marc

Lloyd Burrell of electricsense.com IMO is a wealth of information and offers much of it for free on his site. As far as him offering a "cure" - am not sure that's what he's saying. I think he has said he's cured his own ES and he's sharing his approach for others to apply towards their own success. 
But here is nothing wrong with him being paid for all of his time and efforts and knowledge from his research - just because you may have an issue with compensation for info, doesn't mean he needs to. Information for sale is done all the time on the net, on amazon, etc.
Lloyd provides a valuable service for the ES community, and personally I have gained much info from him.
Please don't diss those people who are sincere in their efforts to help the ES population.  We need all the help we can get.
Renee



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Oh dear, I seem to have upset some people, for which I apologise. Sorry if I offended you.

The other day I posted a message asking for advice on what things actually WORKED for people.

Marc was helpful and he helped for free. NOBODY said they had cured their ES.

CURE is exactly what this man says - please check the page - I am not sure this man is Lloyd???

I guess 25 pounds is not much compared to several hundred for a canopy. Regrettably it is a very expensive illness and I (a single mum on welfare) have recently spent a lot on supplements.  

I also wondered if anyone else had read it?  :(

Excuse me for being skeptical but I have spent the last 10 years since I became chronically ill juicing / accupuncure / buying things / conventional meds.  OK, I didn't know exactly what was wrong with me, but I appear to have already done many things which are recommended.

When I see something like this:
http://www.earthcalm.com/emf-protection-pendant-nova-resonator/

I think, gee, a very expensive lump of amethyst... what can it do?

I bought loads of orgonite. It did nothing.

Honestly, I'm just another desperate person who doesn't need to spend money on something else that doesn't work!

Love you all! xx
--- In [hidden email], H RS <iamhamsa@...> wrote:

Hi Charlie,

Hang in there.
We are all in the same boat here. Trying to survive. Hugs for all and the best of thoughts!
I know what it feels like to keep seeking for solutions and spending scads of money. 
Keep the hope alive.

Laurie


________________________________
 From: egg_chips_and_beans <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 12:44:29 PM
Subject: [eSens] Re: MAN SELLING BOOK CLAIMING TO CURE EH
 


 
Oh dear, I seem to have upset some people, for which I apologise. Sorry if I offended you.

The other day I posted a message asking for advice on what things actually WORKED for people.

Marc was helpful and he helped for free. NOBODY said they had cured their ES.

CURE is exactly what this man says - please check the page - I am not sure this man is Lloyd???

I guess 25 pounds is not much compared to several hundred for a canopy. Regrettably it is a very expensive illness and I (a single mum on welfare) have recently spent a lot on supplements.

I also wondered if anyone else had read it?  :(

Excuse me for being skeptical but I have spent the last 10 years since I became chronically ill juicing / accupuncure / buying things / conventional meds.  OK, I didn't know exactly what was wrong with me, but I appear to have already done many things which are recommended.

When I see something like this:
http://www.earthcalm.com/emf-protection-pendant-nova-resonator/

I think, gee, a very expensive lump of amethyst... what can it do?

I bought loads of orgonite. It did nothing.

Honestly, I'm just another desperate person who doesn't need to spend money on something else that doesn't work!

Love you all! xx
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On April 21, "egg_chips_and_beans" <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Honestly, I'm just another desperate person who doesn't need to spend
> money on something else that doesn't work!

Yes, that's kind of why I started this group in the first place... I've lost
(on income) and spent far too much money on this condition, and there's
no reason for everyone to repeat my (or anyone elses) mistakes.

But to answer your question, no, I have not purchased that book... I
figure that it probably doesn't have much new information that I haven't
already seen posted on this group.

As for a "cure", I have seen a few folks on this group leave the group
because they said they were cured.  I don't know if what they consider
a cure is exactly the same thing that everyone would consider, but
obviously a great amount of improvement can be made.

As for that Earthcalm product, I can say that I've tried several
Earthcalm products over the years, and at best I can say that
I've noticed a slight improvement, but that's about it.  Far from
a 100% solution, to be sure.

Marc

On April 21, "egg_chips_and_beans" <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I bought loads of orgonite. It did nothing.

That's actually better than my experience... in my experience, organite
made me worse.  So I actually had to go out and dispose of it in a
public garbage can (to get it out of the house!)

Marc

James DeMeo, a serious orgone researcher disclaimed orgonite junks; he said even with true Wilhelm Reich orgone generators, blankets are not to be used in toxic environment, emf contaminated place; orgone generators even need to be dismantled & stored properly in toxic environment & the place needed to be cleaned with some live water; I can't remember the details of it.

http://www.orgonelab.org/orgonenonsense.htm

I have several orgonites & some very expensive pendants; I don't feel much about these orgonites & pendants & a Medical Award medical Russian Healing blanket developed by Russian Space programme scientists & it is widely used in hospitals & clinics in Russia; the blanket is based on Wilhelm Reich's orgone blanket + further improvement; the blanket is really great; unfortunately when they developed the blanket, there is no cell phone signals, now because of microwave emf so bad; I dare not use it; I guess if I use in inside a canopy; then it would be really great!

When I tried the blankets few yrs ago, I felt calm & relaxed, & didn't want to leave it.

Btw, what are your opinions on Q link pendant, my friends & their friends ( health professionals of all sort) all raved about it. I don't there is any protection from it; but may be it has some subtle benefits?? They said they have live blood test to prove it helps; I know other types of methods such as quantum wave laser; longevitology healing & some beneficial sounds etc have been confirmed repeatedly by live blood tests.  

http://www.emf-health.com/research.htm

longevitology healing is free; very easy to learn if it's available in your area, a group of my friends have seen great results but sometimes serious health issues needs patients & time; I am one very impatient person so it's not my kind of things though I would do it for family if I have to.

http://www.longevitology.org/

alice

--- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:

Those healing blankets were designed mostly for blocking high magnetic fields.
 mostly they are foil on the inside, same as cheap mylar blankets....same as many materials used to block rf. But the body can be contaminated with rf. this is where people miss an important factor.a contaminated rf body will bounce the fields right back on the body, using either the blanketsor the canopies or the shielded rooms. LizzieTo: [hidden email]
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      James DeMeo, a serious orgone researcher disclaimed orgonite junks; he said even with true Wilhelm Reich orgone generators, blankets are not to be used in toxic environment, emf contaminated place; orgone generators even need to be dismantled & stored properly in toxic environment & the place needed to be cleaned with some live water; I can't remember the details of it.



http://www.orgonelab.org/orgonenonsense.htm



I have several orgonites & some very expensive pendants; I don't feel much about these orgonites & pendants & a Medical Award medical Russian Healing blanket developed by Russian Space programme scientists & it is widely used in hospitals & clinics in Russia; the blanket is based on Wilhelm Reich's orgone blanket + further improvement; the blanket is really great; unfortunately when they developed the blanket, there is no cell phone signals, now because of microwave emf so bad; I dare not use it; I guess if I use in inside a canopy; then it would be really great!



When I tried the blankets few yrs ago, I felt calm & relaxed, & didn't want to leave it.



Btw, what are your opinions on Q link pendant, my friends & their friends ( health professionals of all sort) all raved about it. I don't there is any protection from it; but may be it has some subtle benefits?? They said they have live blood test to prove it helps; I know other types of methods such as quantum wave laser; longevitology healing & some beneficial sounds etc have been confirmed repeatedly by live blood tests.  



http://www.emf-health.com/research.htm



longevitology healing is free; very easy to learn if it's available in your area, a group of my friends have seen great results but sometimes serious health issues needs patients & time; I am one very impatient person so it's not my kind of things though I would do it for family if I have to.



http://www.longevitology.org/



alice



--- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:

>

> On April 21, "egg_chips_and_beans" <charliefoulkes@...> wrote:

> > I bought loads of orgonite. It did nothing.

>

> That's actually better than my experience... in my experience, organite

> made me worse.  So I actually had to go out and dispose of it in a

> public garbage can (to get it out of the house!)

>

> Marc

>





   
     

   
   






       

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Charles,
Have been to 1 or 2 of your website and saw info on
meters and sounds from EMF. Became confused (sometimes brain just isnt working great (and only read english ). which of the websites
listed below your name would be best to look at? and which page?
Thank s
Lynn D

--- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:

On April 21, muii20 <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Btw, what are your opinions on Q link pendant, my friends & their friends
> ( health professionals of all sort) all raved about it.

We've had a couple of positive reports here about the Q-Link pendant
over the years.  And some reports that it didn't do anything.

My report is that the Q-Link pendant was barely noticeable (and it
took me months to conclude that)

Marc

Charlie, you did not upset me. I did find your comments very reactive in nature, and LLoyd was 'the bad guy' so to speak.
I have been helped by him, as I am sure have others by comments I've read on his site, so that's why I spoke up.

When you write things like you're 'being taken for a ride' and 'am I fool...' I can hear your frustration and maybe some sense of victimhood too.

And then your stuff gets shifted onto Lloyd, like he's trying to take advantage of you or others like you, because you think he should give you what you want for free - afterall - that's what you would do, right?

 ES is multifactorial and complex; I don't believe there's any
single
 thing or a universal cure that restores all sufferers to wellness.  We
each must go through
much trial and error to identify our own solutions..and most of the world doesn't get what we go thru, or even care...it's tiring, and all the emotions
that come up along with that process is a major detox in itself (maybe even central to one's healing).

I admit I've often felt victimized, or angry, frustrated, and 'put upon' by the powers that be, and learning how to take responsibility for my feelings is just as significant to my healing process as any
nutritional, environmental, or energetic solutions.

But back to the e-book -- in your initial message you included this link -
 http://www.electricsense.com/electrical-sensitivity-book-review/

All anyone needs to do is go to the link, watch his video and decide for themselves if they feel what he is offering is something that is useful for them and worth paying the $39.
I watched his video; I think Lloyd lays a basic foundation
for people who may feel overwhelm or confused about a very complex
topic. He offers a range of solutions/tools, and practical info on frequencies, measuring emfs, etc.

All best into wellness,
Renee





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Just a comment,

I have a chiropractor/kinesiologist who says that the QLink may seem to help in the short term, but over time, he says, it actually may be damaging to the heart. I don't remember why. It muscle-tested terrible for me.

He has a number of pendants and devices he muscle tests for. (He doesn't sell any of them.)

I did use an EarthCalms pendant for a long time, and it seemed to help. Then, I think the body entrains - or something - and it seemed to quit being effective.

I know some don't trust kinesiology/muscle testing, but my extended  family and I have been using it for about 30 years with excellent results.

Also, you have to figure out specifically what it is you need protection from before you choose a shielding/remediating option.

Judy



--- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:

Hi Judy

I do believe in muscle tests; I had seen chiropractors; therapists dozens of times making very good diagnosis. Of course there are times when 2 people react together to give false readings; eg when both tester & testee are negative for certain allergy; then -ve x -ve becomes positive reading!!

I read comments by some (non ES ) healers & spiritual /energy sensitive persons saying they benefit from Q Link or other pendants for a while only!

--- In [hidden email], "judyl_nev" <judyl_nev@...> wrote:

I just think these are all placebo. Had the Q Link. didn't do a thing.

 

________________________________
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To: [hidden email]
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 11:24 AM
Subject: [eSens] Re: Q-Link
 
 
   
 
Just a comment,

I have a chiropractor/kinesiologist who says that the QLink may seem to help in the short term, but over time, he says, it actually may be damaging to the heart. I don't remember why. It muscle-tested terrible for me.

He has a number of pendants and devices he muscle tests for. (He doesn't sell any of them.)

I did use an EarthCalms pendant for a long time, and it seemed to help. Then, I think the body entrains - or something - and it seemed to quit being effective.

I know some don't trust kinesiology/muscle testing, but my extended  family and I have been using it for about 30 years with excellent results.

Also, you have to figure out specifically what it is you need protection from before you choose a shielding/remediating option.

Judy

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On April 23, Loni <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I just think these are all placebo. Had the Q Link. didn't do a thing.

Loni!  We haven't heard from you in awhile (have we?).   how are you doing?  

Marc

Hi All,
I have the Q-link and the EarthCalm.  While neither helped with MY E.S., I
don't think the people they help are necessarily experiencing a placebo
effect.

 They aren't inert, at least not used in combination.  I already had the
Q-link when I got the earthcalm and when I put them on together, boy did I
feel awful and I was able to replicate this many  times..  they maybe be
helpful (just my hypothesis) for people who are NOT e.s. and want to help
prevent getting e.s., but I don't even know that they do that.

Interestingly, in the q-link, earthcalm category, about 2 weeks ago I got a
vitaplex pendant, hoping it might ameliorate some of the E.S. (for me, this
is feeling extremely overwhelmed with sensory input- light, sound, motion
and a general feeling of very extreme agitation and sleeplessness).

 The vitaplex pendant did NOT, I repeat did NOT help with the E.S. in any
way whatsoever.  BUT, it did give me a small but real boost in energy and
mood (and having tried a ton of stuff and spent a ton of money, I think I
have an anti-placebo bias- I don't expect anything to work!).  so this has
been a happy and odd surprise.

There have only been 3 things that I found really helped with the E.S.
:
 grounding pad- significant help, though by no means a cure,  I can use
electronics longer w/o symptoms,

 high dose fish oil (really high dose- at a dose that would make it a blood
thinner, so you would DEFINITELY WANT TO CHECK WITH YOUR M.D. FIRST.  Fish
oil helps the cell membrane and for a lot of us, there is a cell membrane
problem and the threshold for neuronal firing is way too low.  In MY
experience, no other oils work for this purpose.)

Stetzer filters:  Subtle but real effect.  Even my totally non-e.s. husband
noticed it.  Makes whole house seem calmer.   If you are interested in the
Stetzer filters, I got them directly from Stetzer Electronics which is in
Minnesota or North Dakota or Wisconsin (lol) and I asked beforehand, if I
get too many, can I return some and they said yes.  I would put stetzer
filters (and fish oil) in a different category from the pendants, stickers,
even the earthing pads, because they use conventional science.

Stetzer filters were first called Graham-Stetzer filters, because they were
co-invented by a professor of electrical engineering (U.C. Berkeley) and an
electrician.  they take "dirty electricity" off household wires and don't
ask me what that means because I have no idea!  I just know that I find
them really helpful.

There are other places that sell the stetzer filters, but you have to buy a
set which may or may not have the number of filters you need.  (If you are
looking for extra ways to spend money, you can actually buy a meter which
tells you when you have enough  filters, but I just went by how I felt).

I don't have any affiliation with the vitaplex pendant, the Stetzer filter,
any maker or seller of fish oil  or any maker or seller of any of these
items!

Just trying to be of help to others who like me are trying to live in this
cellular/wifi/electrosmog world!

Taliesen

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Thanks for sharing that Taliesen... It's great to get feedback from folks, what's working, what's not working...

I haven't tried any pendants, so I can't say if they help for me. I wish there was a quick fix for ES. I REALLY DO, but that appears very unlikely, as much as a cure. The reality is that we face ever increasing levels of radiation, so we've gotta get creative and come up with solutions that work. Not everything works for everybody either. That seems to be clear...

The Stetzer filters did help me somewhat, but I still have to avoid close proximity to computers and other electrical devices, especially when I was living in a rural home with TWACS on the electrical mains. My symptoms are delayed, so I found a Stetzer meter invaluable.

Grounding is best. I enjoyed what I call my "sand therapy" when I was living along the Oregon coast last summer. I'd soak my bare feet in the warm sand, walk along the beach. Ahhhh.... All those negative ions and grounding made me feel so much better... There are good reflexology benefits as well. At some point when I can get settled, I'm going to build a reflexology garden foot path, with various textures, for earth grounding exercise and to stimulate the meridians, and aromas and plants to stimulate the mind. Add a spiritual contemplation along the way, and you have body, mind, and spirit covered!  :-) 

Tim




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Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 8:48 PM
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Hi All,
I have the Q-link and the EarthCalm.  While neither helped with MY E.S., I
don't think the people they help are necessarily experiencing a placebo
effect.

They aren't inert, at least not used in combination.  I already had the
Q-link when I got the earthcalm and when I put them on together, boy did I
feel awful and I was able to replicate this many  times..  they maybe be
helpful (just my hypothesis) for people who are NOT e.s. and want to help
prevent getting e.s., but I don't even know that they do that.

Interestingly, in the q-link, earthcalm category, about 2 weeks ago I got a
vitaplex pendant, hoping it might ameliorate some of the E.S. (for me, this
is feeling extremely overwhelmed with sensory input- light, sound, motion
and a general feeling of very extreme agitation and sleeplessness).

The vitaplex pendant did NOT, I repeat did NOT help with the E.S. in any
way whatsoever.  BUT, it did give me a small but real boost in energy and
mood (and having tried a ton of stuff and spent a ton of money, I think I
have an anti-placebo bias- I don't expect anything to work!).  so this has
been a happy and odd surprise.

There have only been 3 things that I found really helped with the E.S.
:
grounding pad- significant help, though by no means a cure,  I can use
electronics longer w/o symptoms,

high dose fish oil (really high dose- at a dose that would make it a blood
thinner, so you would DEFINITELY WANT TO CHECK WITH YOUR M.D. FIRST.  Fish
oil helps the cell membrane and for a lot of us, there is a cell membrane
problem and the threshold for neuronal firing is way too low.  In MY
experience, no other oils work for this purpose.)

Stetzer filters:  Subtle but real effect.  Even my totally non-e.s. husband
noticed it.  Makes whole house seem calmer.   If you are interested in the
Stetzer filters, I got them directly from Stetzer Electronics which is in
Minnesota or North Dakota or Wisconsin (lol) and I asked beforehand, if I
get too many, can I return some and they said yes.  I would put stetzer
filters (and fish oil) in a different category from the pendants, stickers,
even the earthing pads, because they use conventional science.

Stetzer filters were first called Graham-Stetzer filters, because they were
co-invented by a professor of electrical engineering (U.C. Berkeley) and an
electrician.  they take "dirty electricity" off household wires and don't
ask me what that means because I have no idea!  I just know that I find
them really helpful.

There are other places that sell the stetzer filters, but you have to buy a
set which may or may not have the number of filters you need.  (If you are
looking for extra ways to spend money, you can actually buy a meter which
tells you when you have enough  filters, but I just went by how I felt).

I don't have any affiliation with the vitaplex pendant, the Stetzer filter,
any maker or seller of fish oil  or any maker or seller of any of these
items!

Just trying to be of help to others who like me are trying to live in this
cellular/wifi/electrosmog world!

Taliesen

Finally just want to add,


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