MAN SELLING BOOK CLAIMING TO CURE EH

Hi everyone 

On a similar note has anyone tried any of the Green 8 products? gilligan Joy mentions them on his site and I checked out their web site recently - some of the products are quite pricey but if they would help I would give them a go - just wondering whether any one on the forum has tried any of them and what they thought of them?

best
Steph


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 From: Tim <[hidden email]>
To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wednesday, 24 April 2013, 20:40
Subject: Re: [eSens] Q-Link
 


 
Thanks for sharing that Taliesen... It's great to get feedback from folks, what's working, what's not working...

I haven't tried any pendants, so I can't say if they help for me. I wish there was a quick fix for ES. I REALLY DO, but that appears very unlikely, as much as a cure. The reality is that we face ever increasing levels of radiation, so we've gotta get creative and come up with solutions that work. Not everything works for everybody either. That seems to be clear...

The Stetzer filters did help me somewhat, but I still have to avoid close proximity to computers and other electrical devices, especially when I was living in a rural home with TWACS on the electrical mains. My symptoms are delayed, so I found a Stetzer meter invaluable.

Grounding is best. I enjoyed what I call my "sand therapy" when I was living along the Oregon coast last summer. I'd soak my bare feet in the warm sand, walk along the beach. Ahhhh.... All those negative ions and grounding made me feel so much better... There are good reflexology benefits as well. At some point when I can get settled, I'm going to build a reflexology garden foot path, with various textures, for earth grounding exercise and to stimulate the meridians, and aromas and plants to stimulate the mind. Add a spiritual contemplation along the way, and you have body, mind, and spirit covered!  :-) 

Tim

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From: Taliesen Waters <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 8:48 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Q-Link


Hi All,
I have the Q-link and the EarthCalm.  While neither helped with MY E.S., I
don't think the people they help are necessarily experiencing a placebo
effect.

They aren't inert, at least not used in combination.  I already had the
Q-link when I got the earthcalm and when I put them on together, boy did I
feel awful and I was able to replicate this many  times..  they maybe be
helpful (just my hypothesis) for people who are NOT e.s. and want to help
prevent getting e.s., but I don't even know that they do that.

Interestingly, in the q-link, earthcalm category, about 2 weeks ago I got a
vitaplex pendant, hoping it might ameliorate some of the E.S. (for me, this
is feeling extremely overwhelmed with sensory input- light, sound, motion
and a general feeling of very extreme agitation and sleeplessness).

The vitaplex pendant did NOT, I repeat did NOT help with the E.S. in any
way whatsoever.  BUT, it did give me a small but real boost in energy and
mood (and having tried a ton of stuff and spent a ton of money, I think I
have an anti-placebo bias- I don't expect anything to work!).  so this has
been a happy and odd surprise.

There have only been 3 things that I found really helped with the E.S.
:
grounding pad- significant help, though by no means a cure,  I can use
electronics longer w/o symptoms,

high dose fish oil (really high dose- at a dose that would make it a blood
thinner, so you would DEFINITELY WANT TO CHECK WITH YOUR M.D. FIRST.  Fish
oil helps the cell membrane and for a lot of us, there is a cell membrane
problem and the threshold for neuronal firing is way too low.  In MY
experience, no other oils work for this purpose.)

Stetzer filters:  Subtle but real effect.  Even my totally non-e.s. husband
noticed it.  Makes whole house seem calmer.   If you are interested in the
Stetzer filters, I got them directly from Stetzer Electronics which is in
Minnesota or North Dakota or Wisconsin (lol) and I asked beforehand, if I
get too many, can I return some and they said yes.  I would put stetzer
filters (and fish oil) in a different category from the pendants, stickers,
even the earthing pads, because they use conventional science.

Stetzer filters were first called Graham-Stetzer filters, because they were
co-invented by a professor of electrical engineering (U.C. Berkeley) and an
electrician.  they take "dirty electricity" off household wires and don't
ask me what that means because I have no idea!  I just know that I find
them really helpful.

There are other places that sell the stetzer filters, but you have to buy a
set which may or may not have the number of filters you need.  (If you are
looking for extra ways to spend money, you can actually buy a meter which
tells you when you have enough  filters, but I just went by how I felt).

I don't have any affiliation with the vitaplex pendant, the Stetzer filter,
any maker or seller of fish oil  or any maker or seller of any of these
items!

Just trying to be of help to others who like me are trying to live in this
cellular/wifi/electrosmog world!

Taliesen

Finally just want to add,

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On April 26, Stephanie Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:
> On a similar note has anyone tried any of the Green 8 products? gilligan Joy mentions
> them on his site and I checked out their web site recently - some of the products are
> quite pricey but if they would help I would give them a go - just wondering whether
> any one on the forum has tried any of them and what they thought of them?

I've tried some items from Green 8, but I could never find any situation where
I thought they were helpful.

Marc

I have tried a Green 8 pendant and it didn't work for me. I have been in contact with Frank Albrecht from the Irish website thelife.ie (also stopageing.com) and he says that most products only work 50%. He says that his products are different as they change the negative biological information that the EMFs create. He says his products help 80-90%. I have just bought his Power Dot and ESmog Server sticker, and his pendant, and will see if they work. There is a six-week money-back guarantee. As an aside, mistletoe tincture seems to really help me, as it works on calming the vagus nerve (my main ES problem). I am amazed - I was so bad last week I could hardly be in my house, and now, one day after taking mistletoe, I am about 70% better.

--- In [hidden email], Stephanie Smith <reader41@...> wrote:

Thanks Marc - which ones did you try?




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To: [hidden email]
Sent: Friday, 26 April 2013, 16:51
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On April 26, Stephanie Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:
> On a similar note has anyone tried any of the Green 8 products? gilligan Joy mentions
> them on his site and I checked out their web site recently - some of the products are
> quite pricey but if they would help I would give them a go - just wondering whether
> any one on the forum has tried any of them and what they thought of them?

I've tried some items from Green 8, but I could never find any situation where
I thought they were helpful.

Marc

 

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On April 29, Stephanie Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Thanks Marc - which ones did you try?

The Green 8's?  I've tried about 3 different sizes I think -- even the
really large one (about 6" lengthwise) did nothing for me...

Marc

On April 29, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:
> On April 29, Stephanie Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > Thanks Marc - which ones did you try?
>
> The Green 8's?  I've tried about 3 different sizes I think -- even the
> really large one (about 6" lengthwise) did nothing for me...

Also note that although the Green 8 is mentioned on Gilligan Joy's
website, it's not clear from what he's written whether he's actually
tried or benefited from these.  

In the beginning, he tended to only list things that he'd actually
tried and benefited from.  However, now it looks like he's just
listing every EMF protection device he's heard about (which I
don't think is as helpful, as a lot of them don't seem to help
anyone)

Marc

Hi Penny

Thanks for this - I will check out those websites - and will be very interested to know how the power dot and the server sticker work out - can you keep me posted and let me know whether you keep these or whether you return them under the 6 week guarantee???


I am very interested in the mistletoe business - what is the vagus nerve problem and how did you work out that it was ES related? and is mistletoe safe to take in tincture form?? I always thought it was poisonous - but could be wrong about that so please educate me!

thanks
Steph



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To: [hidden email]
Sent: Saturday, 27 April 2013, 13:45
Subject: [eSens] Re: was Q-Link - now GREEN 8 PRODUCTS
 


 


I have tried a Green 8 pendant and it didn't work for me. I have been in contact with Frank Albrecht from the Irish website thelife.ie (also stopageing.com) and he says that most products only work 50%. He says that his products are different as they change the negative biological information that the EMFs create. He says his products help 80-90%. I have just bought his Power Dot and ESmog Server sticker, and his pendant, and will see if they work. There is a six-week money-back guarantee. As an aside, mistletoe tincture seems to really help me, as it works on calming the vagus nerve (my main ES problem). I am amazed - I was so bad last week I could hardly be in my house, and now, one day after taking mistletoe, I am about 70% better.

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Ahhh - thanks for the heads up re Gilligan's list - I was assuming he ha tried what he listed [or knew they were worthy of recommendation]

thanks
steph



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To: [hidden email]
Sent: Monday, 29 April 2013, 17:17
Subject: Re: [eSens] was Q-Link - now GREEN 8 PRODUCTS
 


 
On April 29, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:
> On April 29, Stephanie Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > Thanks Marc - which ones did you try?
>
> The Green 8's?  I've tried about 3 different sizes I think -- even the
> really large one (about 6" lengthwise) did nothing for me...

Also note that although the Green 8 is mentioned on Gilligan Joy's
website, it's not clear from what he's written whether he's actually
tried or benefited from these.

In the beginning, he tended to only list things that he'd actually
tried and benefited from.  However, now it looks like he's just
listing every EMF protection device he's heard about (which I
don't think is as helpful, as a lot of them don't seem to help
anyone)

Marc

 

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On April 29, Stephanie Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Ahhh - thanks for the heads up re Gilligan's list - I was assuming he ha tried what he
> listed [or knew they were worthy of recommendation]

It almost seems like a random list... he knows that I benefited from Quantum Products,
yet I don't see it on his list (?).

Also, I think if you read his story, you will see that he benefited greatly from
Earthcalm products, although people's experiences here with Earthcalm haven't
been as positive.

Marc

Hi Steph,
Yes, I'll let you know how I get on with the products. I haven't noticed much as yet.
The vagus nerve controls the heart rate I believe, and my worst symptom with ES is a racing, pounding heart, so I can't sleep, and generally feeling very hyper and wired. When I calm down the vagus nerve everything seems to be better - this is why chiropractic helps me, as neck manipulations work on the vague nerve. Mistletoe is supposed to have a calming effect on the vagus nerve. I think it is only the berries that are poisonous, not the twigs, which is what the tincture is made of. My herbalist made me up a potion, and a I take 20ml four times a day. Seems to help me.

--- In [hidden email], Stephanie Smith <reader41@...> wrote:

Yes I looked into earthcalm a lot and came very close to buying and then read that a lot of people either were not helped or had a negative reaction so I guess the search goes on - just for something to assist with life mind, not as a total cure LOL
Steph



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To: [hidden email]
Sent: Monday, 29 April 2013, 18:04
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On April 29, Stephanie Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Ahhh - thanks for the heads up re Gilligan's list - I was assuming he ha tried what he
> listed [or knew they were worthy of recommendation]

It almost seems like a random list... he knows that I benefited from Quantum Products,
yet I don't see it on his list (?).

Also, I think if you read his story, you will see that he benefited greatly from
Earthcalm products, although people's experiences here with Earthcalm haven't
been as positive.

Marc

 

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Thanks Penny - thank fully - touch wood - so far I haven't experienced vagus nerve problems - sounds scary - altho I do sometimes get what feels like an arythmia - in that there is an unusual pounding but it doesn't last for long - maybe about 10 - 15 minutes and always at night time - maybe that is a vagus nerve problem??
Steph
x


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To: [hidden email]
Sent: Tuesday, 30 April 2013, 10:43
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Hi Steph,
Yes, I'll let you know how I get on with the products. I haven't noticed much as yet.
The vagus nerve controls the heart rate I believe, and my worst symptom with ES is a racing, pounding heart, so I can't sleep, and generally feeling very hyper and wired. When I calm down the vagus nerve everything seems to be better - this is why chiropractic helps me, as neck manipulations work on the vague nerve. Mistletoe is supposed to have a calming effect on the vagus nerve. I think it is only the berries that are poisonous, not the twigs, which is what the tincture is made of. My herbalist made me up a potion, and a I take 20ml four times a day. Seems to help me.

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Just a correction here:The thyroid regulates the heart rate.and Magnesium is also vitally importantfor the body, as it also plays a role in the heart. Wireless radiation seems to zap the bodyof all vital mnerals, in much the same waythat cooking food in a micro wave oven does. It has been repeatedly stated that cooking foodin a micro wave oven destroys the nutrients in food. I would have to say the same thing happens with wirelessradiation and the body. Lizzie
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      Thanks Penny - thank fully - touch wood - so far I haven't experienced vagus nerve problems - sounds scary - altho I do sometimes get what feels like an arythmia - in that there is an unusual pounding but it doesn't last for long - maybe about 10 - 15 minutes and always at night time - maybe that is a vagus nerve problem??

Steph

x



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To: [hidden email]

Sent: Tuesday, 30 April 2013, 10:43

Subject: [eSens] Re: was Q-Link - now GREEN 8 PRODUCTS

 



 

Hi Steph,

Yes, I'll let you know how I get on with the products. I haven't noticed much as yet.

The vagus nerve controls the heart rate I believe, and my worst symptom with ES is a racing, pounding heart, so I can't sleep, and generally feeling very hyper and wired. When I calm down the vagus nerve everything seems to be better - this is why chiropractic helps me, as neck manipulations work on the vague nerve. Mistletoe is supposed to have a calming effect on the vagus nerve. I think it is only the berries that are poisonous, not the twigs, which is what the tincture is made of. My herbalist made me up a potion, and a I take 20ml four times a day. Seems to help me.



--- In [hidden email], Stephanie Smith <reader41@...> wrote:

>

> Hi Penny

>

> Thanks for this - I will check out those websites - and will be very interested to know how the power dot and the server sticker work out - can you keep me posted and let me know whether you keep these or whether you return them under the 6 week guarantee???

>

>

> I am very interested in the mistletoe business - what is the vagus nerve problem and how did you work out that it was ES related? and is mistletoe safe to take in tincture form?? I always thought it was poisonous - but could be wrong about that so please educate me!

>

> thanks

> Steph

>

>

>

> ________________________________

>  From: "pennyharper@..." <pennyharper@...>

> To: [hidden email]

> Sent: Saturday, 27 April 2013, 13:45

> Subject: [eSens] Re: was Q-Link - now GREEN 8 PRODUCTS

>

>

>

> Â  

>

>

> I have tried a Green 8 pendant and it didn't work for me. I have been in contact with Frank Albrecht from the Irish website thelife.ie (also stopageing.com) and he says that most products only work 50%. He says that his products are different as they change the negative biological information that the EMFs create. He says his products help 80-90%. I have just bought his Power Dot and ESmog Server sticker, and his pendant, and will see if they work. There is a six-week money-back guarantee. As an aside, mistletoe tincture seems to really help me, as it works on calming the vagus nerve (my main ES problem). I am amazed - I was so bad last week I could hardly be in my house, and now, one day after taking mistletoe, I am about 70% better.

>

> --- In [hidden email], Stephanie Smith <reader41@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi everyoneÂÂ

> >

> > On a similar note has anyone tried any of the Green 8 products? gilligan Joy mentions them on his site and I checked out their web site recently - some of the products are quite pricey but if they would help I would give them a go - just wondering whether any one on the forum has tried any of them and what they thought of them?

> >

> > best

> > Steph

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> >  From: Tim <timheierman@>

> > To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>

> > Sent: Wednesday, 24 April 2013, 20:40

> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Q-Link

> >

> >

> >

> >   

> > Thanks for sharing that Taliesen... It's great to get feedback from folks, what's working, what's not working...

> >

> > I haven't tried any pendants, so I can't say if they help for me. I wish there was a quick fix for ES. I REALLY DO, but that appears very unlikely, as much as a cure. The reality is that we face ever increasing levels of radiation, so we've gotta get creative and come up with solutions that work. Not everything works for everybody either. That seems to be clear...

> >

> > The Stetzer filters did help me somewhat, but I still have to avoid close proximity to computers and other electrical devices, especially when I was living in a rural home with TWACS on the electrical mains. My symptoms are delayed, so I found a Stetzer meter invaluable.

> >

> > Grounding is best. I enjoyed what I call my "sand therapy" when I was living along the Oregon coast last summer. I'd soak my bare feet in the warm sand, walk along the beach. Ahhhh.... All those negative ions and grounding made me feel so much better... There are good reflexology benefits as well. At some point when I can get settled, I'm going to build a reflexology garden foot path, with various textures, for earth grounding exercise and to stimulate the meridians, and aromas and plants to stimulate the mind. Add a spiritual contemplation along the way, and you have body, mind, and spirit covered!  :-)  

> >

> > Tim

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: Taliesen Waters <taliesen.waters@>

> > To: [hidden email]

> > Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 8:48 PM

> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Q-Link

> >

> >

> > Hi All,

> > I have the Q-link and the EarthCalm.  While neither helped with MY E.S., I

> > don't think the people they help are necessarily experiencing a placebo

> > effect.

> >

> > They aren't inert, at least not used in combination.  I already had the

> > Q-link when I got the earthcalm and when I put them on together, boy did I

> > feel awful and I was able to replicate this many  times..  they maybe be

> > helpful (just my hypothesis) for people who are NOT e.s. and want to help

> > prevent getting e.s., but I don't even know that they do that.

> >

> > Interestingly, in the q-link, earthcalm category, about 2 weeks ago I got a

> > vitaplex pendant, hoping it might ameliorate some of the E.S. (for me, this

> > is feeling extremely overwhelmed with sensory input- light, sound, motion

> > and a general feeling of very extreme agitation and sleeplessness).

> >

> > The vitaplex pendant did NOT, I repeat did NOT help with the E.S. in any

> > way whatsoever.  BUT, it did give me a small but real boost in energy and

> > mood (and having tried a ton of stuff and spent a ton of money, I think I

> > have an anti-placebo bias- I don't expect anything to work!).  so this has

> > been a happy and odd surprise.

> >

> > There have only been 3 things that I found really helped with the E.S.

> > :

> > grounding pad- significant help, though by no means a cure,  I can use

> > electronics longer w/o symptoms,

> >

> > high dose fish oil (really high dose- at a dose that would make it a blood

> > thinner, so you would DEFINITELY WANT TO CHECK WITH YOUR M.D. FIRST.  Fish

> > oil helps the cell membrane and for a lot of us, there is a cell membrane

> > problem and the threshold for neuronal firing is way too low.  In MY

> > experience, no other oils work for this purpose.)

> >

> > Stetzer filters:  Subtle but real effect.  Even my totally non-e.s. husband

> > noticed it.  Makes whole house seem calmer.   If you are interested in the

> > Stetzer filters, I got them directly from Stetzer Electronics which is in

> > Minnesota or North Dakota or Wisconsin (lol) and I asked beforehand, if I

> > get too many, can I return some and they said yes.  I would put stetzer

> > filters (and fish oil) in a different category from the pendants, stickers,

> > even the earthing pads, because they use conventional science.

> >

> > Stetzer filters were first called Graham-Stetzer filters, because they were

> > co-invented by a professor of electrical engineering (U.C. Berkeley) and an

> > electrician.  they take "dirty electricity" off household wires and don't

> > ask me what that means because I have no idea!  I just know that I find

> > them really helpful.

> >

> > There are other places that sell the stetzer filters, but you have to buy a

> > set which may or may not have the number of filters you need.  (If you are

> > looking for extra ways to spend money, you can actually buy a meter which

> > tells you when you have enough  filters, but I just went by how I felt).

> >

> > I don't have any affiliation with the vitaplex pendant, the Stetzer filter,

> > any maker or seller of fish oil  or any maker or seller of any of these

> > items!

> >

> > Just trying to be of help to others who like me are trying to live in this

> > cellular/wifi/electrosmog world!

> >

> > Taliesen

> >

> > Finally just want to add,

> >

> > On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 5:32 PM, Marc Martin <marc@> wrote:

> >

> > > **

> > >

> > >

> > > On April 21, muii20 <mayflower700@> wrote:

> > > > Btw, what are your opinions on Q link pendant, my friends & their

> > > friends

> > > > ( health professionals of all sort) all raved about it.

> > >

> > > We've had a couple of positive reports here about the Q-Link pendant

> > > over the years. And some reports that it didn't do anything.

> > >

> > > My report is that the Q-Link pendant was barely noticeable (and it

> > > took me months to conclude that)

> > >

> > > Marc

> > >  

> > >

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If you feel like you're being taken for a ride wading through this electrical mess, it's because we all are; some are going to resist seeing that reality because they've been so successfully and irreversibly conditioned to be compliant with abuse (in this case, in the larger scope, people running corporations, in turn, taking over government regulatory agencies).  Bottom-feeders (e.g. bloggers with "cures") operate on the same ethic of exploitation, taking advantage of widespread ethical transgression (as this is a global life problem), preying on the desperate, appeasing those with fortunes to spend on individual solutions, while the rest wilt and wear away simply because it's all about money and life is subordinate to it: the most base directions humans could possibly take.

The modern day noxious EMF problem is really a human ethics problem; the "cure" is in the attitude (that someone else can decide to sacrifice the life you own for their personal material wealth) and it starts with our acceptance or rejection of it.

Karen, that's a very cynical viewpoint...  I think many of these people who write books, blogs, etc. on improving from ES are sincere, and not people out to rip you off.  Of course, there are exceptions to that, but your post makes it sound like everyone is out to rip you off.

For example, look at the website "Overcoming Electrical Sensitivity" (http://electrical-sensitivity.info/).  He is reporting his own personal experiences, offering suggestions for what people could do to get better, etc.  Pretty much the same thing you see in this group.  He is not selling anything, not gaining anything -- in fact, it costs money to have a website, so he is actually losing something to provide this information.

Marc

Rather than cynical, I can't accept rationalizing away the ethical issue of benefiting beyond the level of "an honest living" off of a problem that needs to be resolved on a public level, for free, for all.

My viewpoint is honoring the depth and gravity of the growing situation the profit-driven man-made EMF problem has become: deeply concerned at the level of (human and all) right's to life, social justice, and truth.  By deception, lives are being sacrificed at the alter of money; that money is not earned when it takes away from another's life.  Basically what we're talking about is a corporate-promoted ethic of predation, where, other living things are not viewed as separate, worthwhile and self-owning, but as "things" to be exploited.  

I'm grateful for the information shared by those who had the ability and desire to share altruistically.  I do acknowledge the moral and ethical implications of human/life costs imposed on others initially, and the profits taken by those benefiting from selling "solutions" that keep the problem alive.  The real solution is free for all: real protection for all from the harms of out-of-control EMF.  In a society that promotes profits as an incentive, downplays social values, scoffs at the human potentials of kindness, care, conscience and generally views profits as a form of "success" and a goal more worthwhile than respecting and responsibly preserving life, making money off of the problem (more often the hardest hit victims of the problem) adds to and prolongs its life.

Know what you mean! Myself, I've spent more for less! ( :

Just came across this website a bit ago: http://www.weness.org/, lots of good information if you believe in what they're talking about. http://www.weness.org/emfs/effects-electromagnetic-fields.html

On August  2, "karen [via ES]" <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Rather than cynical, I can't accept rationalizing away the ethical issue of
> benefiting beyond the level of "an honest living"

I doubt that anyone is making any significant amount of money on this... most of the companies that manufacturer EMF protection devices seem to go out of business, and I suspect their sales are very low.  And I doubt anyone could even make "an honest living" writing books or blogs.

Marc

I have some clients who do react to Stetzer filters.
In a way tyhey produce *dirty frequencies.*

My 30 points plan is the result of *curing* my electrosensitive wife.
I am not EHS, but my wife was heavily EHS, in such a way that we had moved from Holland to Belgium, where we started the *healing process*.
And do now live again in Holland amidst much elektrosmog.

Everybody may pay US300.- for my 30PP, although it is completely free of charge.
Yes, some people prefer to pay in stead of accepting something free.

Hi Karen: I am interested in reading your thoughts on how to research and develop EMF solutions that actually work. I am a personal suffer [ more than 30 years] and researcher of MCS  related issues. Looking forward to your reading your thoughts and suggestions. As Always: Howard