Living in a metal box; things to consider?
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Hi everyone,
As some o fyou may recall, I have talked/queried in the past about buildingan off grid home to live in, somewhere remote, until the inanity of this all comes to a halt, or at least a reduction. My ideal would be to use a structure of all natural materials, such as wood, and followed with dragon boartd (magnesium oxide) to absorb any potentialRF, though I would do all I could to put it somewhere that is very low in RF and unlikely to get more of it in the future. However, not being in a position of great wealth (more like nothing right now), cost is something to consider; the aforementioned materials, even fora small structure, would cost too much, I think, and take more time to acquire than I'd like. The least expensive method I see to do such a thing, is to start with a prefabricated shell, either already on wheels (a travel trailer/mobile home), or a trucking container, placed ontop of a frame/trailer (flat bed trailer). Both options are portable, strong, watertight, and can be had quite cheaply. Of course, they are mde of metal. Int the case of the travel trailer, I'd want go gut it completely, and put in enough insulation for it to survive harsh winters; for a truck trailer, it's empty to begin with, but the same thing applies - lots of insulation for all weather living. But back to the metal. I need to know all the implications, cautions, and remedial efforts that pertain to living in what is essentially a metal box, and EMFs, ES, and otherthings, like the concept of orgone, Schumann Resonance/beneficial natural frequencies, and so on. Here's what I can think of so far, good and potentially problematic, both statements, and related questions: 1. Metal reflects high frequency radiation, at least in the form of an enclosed shell. Correct? Like I said, aiming to go somewhere where there's the least RF, but still good to know that it could keep any ambient stuff out. Not planning to use anything high tech inside, of course, short of maybe a battery operated netbook computer, car radio, and if money permits, a well shielded satellite internet connection. 2. Metal conducts. If everything I run uses 12 or 18 or 24 volt direct current from solar charged batteries only (maybe a small turbine, too, but notnecessarily), is there any risk of wiring rebroadcasting anything through the walls of this proposed structure? Should wiring be shielded? What about DC motors (for a water pump and fan to circulate hot or cool air)? I know that you told me, Bill (Bruno) that DC motors can generate RF. Can I get away with ferrites on the motor's wiring, or should I look for pre-filtered DC motors? Is there concern for conductivity of any other sort if I'm away from powerlines, towers, and so on? 3. Infrasound: If I remember (sorry, thinking is a bit foggy right now), Catherine was saying that some people in the UK that live in what are basically metal houses got very sick from...was it infrasound? Was that because the houses were resonating at the frequency of some communications system? If that's the case, should I only be concerned if I'm near to such a system- and is any metal structure guaranteed to be problematic from it? 4. Geopathic Stress: Any concerns about a metal structure amplifying it? 5. Schumann Resonance, or any other earth/cosmic frequencies that we actually should be exposed to for our health - does anyone feel, intuitively, or from experience, or know, if a structure of metal will also inhibit these beneficial frequencies from reaching the inhabitant? 6. Orgone: I know that there are mixed opinions about this energy, or the effectiveness of what is called "orgonite" today, but it is something interesting to consider. One guy my dad knows seems really into this stuff, butthe "classic" side of orgone, not the new-school "towerbuster"/orgonite stuff that's around these days. He talked to me, but couldn't recall the details, about how choosing the wrong building materials can act as an "orgoneaccumulator"; Orgone is basically considered energy, if I understand, and there's good/positive orgone, and dead/negative orgone. The dead/negative orgone, obviously, is considered present around nuclear plants, transmission towers, noxious chemicals, etc. This guy is saying that if you're living in what's an orgone accumulator, and in an area with a lot of "dead" orgone, ie, let's say you live in an industrial zone 100 feet from a radio tower, then, even if your dwelling reflects the radio waves, the certain combination of materials could turn it into an accumulator that still lets the dead-energy through. He said basically any metal structure with something like insulation inside could act as anaccumlator, though he said steel is better than aluminum, but adding insulation would make either one accumulate. I don't know. If I'm trying to find an area free of all this crap, should I worry about that theory? 7. Steel or Aluminum, not from an Orgone perspective. EMF-wise, does one have any benefits over the other? 8. Metal chassis/axels: If the supporting trailer or floor is made of metal, or at least the axles for the wheels are, can they become magnetized during transport, or are there any other things to be concerned about? 9. To ground, or not to ground, the structure? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I think that's it. But if I've missed anything, please let me know. Any advice about these questions is really really appreciated. Thanks a ton! R. |
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I guess the DC motor problem is a reason to stay with AC, and just try to
filter the power coming in, use twisted wiring, etc. You can vent fans where the motor mounts on the roof or attic. If the area is not bad then shielding just the ways may suffice. Bill On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 10:28 AM, rticleone <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > Hi everyone, > > As some o fyou may recall, I have talked/queried in the past about building > an off grid home to live in, somewhere remote, until the inanity of this all > comes to a halt, or at least a reduction. > > My ideal would be to use a structure of all natural materials, such as > wood, and followed with dragon boartd (magnesium oxide) to absorb any > potential RF, though I would do all I could to put it somewhere that is very > low in RF and unlikely to get more of it in the future. > > However, not being in a position of great wealth (more like nothing right > now), cost is something to consider; the aforementioned materials, even for > a small structure, would cost too much, I think, and take more time to > acquire than I'd like. > > The least expensive method I see to do such a thing, is to start with a > prefabricated shell, either already on wheels (a travel trailer/mobile > home), or a trucking container, placed ontop of a frame/trailer (flat bed > trailer). Both options are portable, strong, watertight, and can be had > quite cheaply. > > Of course, they are mde of metal. Int the case of the travel trailer, I'd > want go gut it completely, and put in enough insulation for it to survive > harsh winters; for a truck trailer, it's empty to begin with, but the same > thing applies - lots of insulation for all weather living. But back to the > metal. > > I need to know all the implications, cautions, and remedial efforts that > pertain to living in what is essentially a metal box, and EMFs, ES, and > other things, like the concept of orgone, Schumann Resonance/beneficial > natural frequencies, and so on. > > Here's what I can think of so far, good and potentially problematic, both > statements, and related questions: > > 1. Metal reflects high frequency radiation, at least in the form of an > enclosed shell. Correct? > > Like I said, aiming to go somewhere where there's the least RF, but still > good to know that it could keep any ambient stuff out. Not planning to use > anything high tech inside, of course, short of maybe a battery operated > netbook computer, car radio, and if money permits, a well shielded satellite > internet connection. > > 2. Metal conducts. If everything I run uses 12 or 18 or 24 volt direct > current from solar charged batteries only (maybe a small turbine, too, but > not necessarily), is there any risk of wiring rebroadcasting anything > through the walls of this proposed structure? Should wiring be shielded? > > What about DC motors (for a water pump and fan to circulate hot or cool > air)? I know that you told me, Bill (Bruno) that DC motors can generate RF. > Can I get away with ferrites on the motor's wiring, or should I look for > pre-filtered DC motors? > > Is there concern for conductivity of any other sort if I'm away from > powerlines, towers, and so on? > > 3. Infrasound: If I remember (sorry, thinking is a bit foggy right now), > Catherine was saying that some people in the UK that live in what are > basically metal houses got very sick from...was it infrasound? Was that > because the houses were resonating at the frequency of some communications > system? > > If that's the case, should I only be concerned if I'm near to such a system > - and is any metal structure guaranteed to be problematic from it? > > 4. Geopathic Stress: Any concerns about a metal structure amplifying it? > > 5. Schumann Resonance, or any other earth/cosmic frequencies that we > actually should be exposed to for our health - does anyone feel, > intuitively, or from experience, or know, if a structure of metal will also > inhibit these beneficial frequencies from reaching the inhabitant? > > 6. Orgone: I know that there are mixed opinions about this energy, or the > effectiveness of what is called "orgonite" today, but it is something > interesting to consider. One guy my dad knows seems really into this stuff, > but the "classic" side of orgone, not the new-school "towerbuster"/orgonite > stuff that's around these days. He talked to me, but couldn't recall the > details, about how choosing the wrong building materials can act as an > "orgone accumulator"; Orgone is basically considered energy, if I > understand, and there's good/positive orgone, and dead/negative orgone. The > dead/negative orgone, obviously, is considered present around nuclear > plants, transmission towers, noxious chemicals, etc. > > This guy is saying that if you're living in what's an orgone accumulator, > and in an area with a lot of "dead" orgone, ie, let's say you live in an > industrial zone 100 feet from a radio tower, then, even if your dwelling > reflects the radio waves, the certain combination of materials could turn it > into an accumulator that still lets the dead-energy through. He said > basically any metal structure with something like insulation inside could > act as an accumlator, though he said steel is better than aluminum, but > adding insulation would make either one accumulate. > > I don't know. If I'm trying to find an area free of all this crap, should I > worry about that theory? > > 7. Steel or Aluminum, not from an Orgone perspective. EMF-wise, does one > have any benefits over the other? > > 8. Metal chassis/axels: If the supporting trailer or floor is made of > metal, or at least the axles for the wheels are, can they become magnetized > during transport, or are there any other things to be concerned about? > > 9. To ground, or not to ground, the structure? > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > I think that's it. But if I've missed anything, please let me know. Any > advice about these questions is really really appreciated. Thanks a ton! > > R. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Hmm, I guess the tradeoff is that I deal with DC motors, and find a way to shield them/filter the output, or separate them from the rest of the wiringsomehow, because I'm proposing something totally offgrid - somewhere that there are no utilities available.
Do you think ferrites could help with the DC motors? Main concern is the RFnoise getting onto the wiring, rather than the near-field close to the motor. R. --- On Fri, 7/17/09, Bill Bruno <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Bill Bruno <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Living in a metal box; things to consider? To: [hidden email] Received: Friday, July 17, 2009, 6:43 PM I guess the DC motor problem is a reason to stay with AC,and just try to filter the power coming in, use twisted wiring, etc. You can vent fans where the motor mounts on the roof or attic. If the area is not bad then shielding just the ways may suffice. Bill On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 10:28 AM, rticleone <rticleone@yahoo. ca> wrote: > > > Hi everyone, > > As some o fyou may recall, I have talked/queried in the past about building > an off grid home to live in, somewhere remote, until the inanity of this all > comes to a halt, or at least a reduction. > > My ideal would be to use a structure of all natural materials, such as > wood, and followed with dragon boartd (magnesium oxide) to absorb any > potential RF, though I would do all I could to put it somewhere that is very > low in RF and unlikely to get more of it in the future. > > However, not being in a position of great wealth (more like nothing right > now), cost is something to consider; the aforementioned materials, even for > a small structure, would cost too much, I think, and take more time to > acquire than I'd like. > > The least expensive method I see to do such a thing, is to start with a > prefabricated shell, either already on wheels (a travel trailer/mobile > home), or a trucking container, placed ontop of a frame/trailer (flat bed > trailer). Both options are portable, strong, watertight, and can be had > quite cheaply. > > Of course, they are mde of metal. Int the case of the travel trailer, I'd > want go gut it completely, and put in enough insulation for it to survive > harsh winters; for a truck trailer, it's empty to begin with, but the same > thing applies - lots of insulation for all weather living. But back to the > metal. > > I need to know all the implications, cautions, and remedial efforts that > pertain to living in what is essentially a metal box, and EMFs, ES, and > other things, like the concept of orgone, Schumann Resonance/beneficia l > natural frequencies, and so on. > > Here's what I can think of so far, good and potentially problematic, both > statements, and related questions: > > 1. Metal reflects high frequency radiation, at least in the form of an > enclosed shell. Correct? > > Like I said, aiming to go somewhere where there's the least RF, but still > good to know that it could keep any ambient stuff out. Not planning to use > anything high tech inside, of course, short of maybe a battery operated > netbook computer, car radio, and if money permits, a well shielded satellite > internet connection. > > 2. Metal conducts. If everything I run uses 12 or 18 or 24 volt direct > current from solar charged batteries only (maybe a small turbine, too, but > not necessarily) , is there any risk of wiring rebroadcasting anything > through the walls of this proposed structure? Should wiring be shielded? > > What about DC motors (for a water pump and fan to circulate hot or cool > air)? I know that you told me, Bill (Bruno) that DC motors can generate RF. > Can I get away with ferrites on the motor's wiring, or should I look for > pre-filtered DC motors? > > Is there concern for conductivity of any other sort if I'm away from > powerlines, towers, and so on? > > 3. Infrasound: If I remember (sorry, thinking is a bit foggy right now), > Catherine was saying that some people in the UK that live in what are > basically metal houses got very sick from...was it infrasound? Was that > because the houses were resonating at the frequency of some communications > system? > > If that's the case, should I only be concerned if I'm near to such a system > - and is any metal structure guaranteed to be problematic from it? > > 4. Geopathic Stress: Any concerns about a metal structure amplifying it? > > 5. Schumann Resonance, or any other earth/cosmic frequencies that we > actually should be exposed to for our health - does anyone feel, > intuitively, or from experience, or know, if a structure of metal will also > inhibit these beneficial frequencies from reaching the inhabitant? > > 6. Orgone: I know that there are mixed opinions about this energy, or the > effectiveness of what is called "orgonite" today, but it is something > interesting to consider. One guy my dad knows seems really into this stuff, > but the "classic" side of orgone, not the new-school "towerbuster" /orgonite > stuff that's around these days. He talked to me, but couldn't recall the > details, about how choosing the wrong building materials can act as an > "orgone accumulator" ; Orgone is basically considered energy, if I > understand, and there's good/positive orgone, and dead/negative orgone.. The > dead/negative orgone, obviously, is considered present around nuclear > plants, transmission towers, noxious chemicals, etc. > > This guy is saying that if you're living in what's an orgone accumulator, > and in an area with a lot of "dead" orgone, ie, let's say you live in an > industrial zone 100 feet from a radio tower, then, even if your dwelling > reflects the radio waves, the certain combination of materials could turnit > into an accumulator that still lets the dead-energy through. He said > basically any metal structure with something like insulation inside could > act as an accumlator, though he said steel is better than aluminum, but > adding insulation would make either one accumulate. > > I don't know. If I'm trying to find an area free of all this crap, shouldI > worry about that theory? > > 7. Steel or Aluminum, not from an Orgone perspective. EMF-wise, does one > have any benefits over the other? > > 8. Metal chassis/axels: If the supporting trailer or floor is made of > metal, or at least the axles for the wheels are, can they become magnetized > during transport, or are there any other things to be concerned about? > > 9. To ground, or not to ground, the structure? > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > I think that's it. But if I've missed anything, please let me know. Any > advice about these questions is really really appreciated. Thanks a ton! > > R. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________________________________________________________________ Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail. Click on Options in Mail and switch to New Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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In a message dated 17/07/2009 19:53:59 GMT Daylight Time, [hidden email] writes: > air)? I know that you told me, Bill (Bruno) that DC motors can generate RF. This is most probably why I found my wifes renault scenic a nightmare to drive as I enventually found that a small dc fan motor (for aircon sampling) was housed by the rear veiw mirror basically broadcasting a strong EMF in my face, my trifeild meter showed this to be well over 25mg ! as soon as I extracted the device the car was brought down to acceptable levels despite all the other gizmos in the car. PS we have been having alot of storms here in the UK and I am getting numerous ES reactions ussually from darkish clouds interspersed with a hot and sunny sky. PAUL uk [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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When you refer to a reading in milligauss (not that I'd want 25 mg in my face, either!), we're talking about a magnetic field, right?
Wouldn't any electric motor, whether it's driven by AC or DC create a magnetic field? I thought the main difference was that an AC motor, if driven by clean, un-dirty AC mains power, actually had a much cleaner energy profile (less RF noise) than a motor driven by DC from a battery - but not necessarily less magnetic field. Please correct me if I'm wrong - I'm really not sure about the difference in magnetic fields between AC and DC motors, only that a DC motor may have more RF noise. Interesting - I can't say I've felt distinctly bothered by weather phenomena like you've described. Take care, R. --- In [hidden email], paulpjc@... wrote: > > > In a message dated 17/07/2009 19:53:59 GMT Daylight Time, > rticleone@... writes: > > > air)? I know that you told me, Bill (Bruno) that DC motors can generate > RF. > > > > This is most probably why I found my wifes renault scenic a nightmare to > drive as I enventually found that a small dc fan motor (for aircon sampling) > was housed by the rear veiw mirror basically broadcasting a strong EMF in > my face, my trifeild meter showed this to be well over 25mg ! as soon asI > extracted the device the car was brought down to acceptable levels despite > all the other gizmos in the car. PS we have been having alot of storms here > in the UK and I am getting numerous ES reactions ussually from darkish > clouds interspersed with a hot and sunny sky. > PAUL uk > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |
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I live in a metal house and can tell you a lot of things that I learned the hard way over a long time. First, I live in a mobile home. One thing that makes me very sick is the wiring that runs next to the aluminum siding. So I have much of my wiring running under the house away from the aluminum siding going to dedicated outlets. Other rooms have switches that turn off both the neutral and hot wires. Also you want no windows if you are in a metal house or else it will be like a microwave oven with EMF getting in through windows and bounding around inside the home. If you have aluminum siding then you want to make it like a faraday cage with a box inside that blocks the emf radiating inward from the aluminum on the outside. I wish I had done this before i put in all the new sheetrock. I would have put it between the sheetrock and the studs. It is very important that you have a foundation that can block emf from bouncing off the ground at an angle and entering into the house that way. These are a few things off the top of my head but I'm sure there are lots more.
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I have a mobile home, too - well, a travel trailer, the kind you tow with avehicle; I use it each summer for a few months if I can find a low EMF area to put it in.
The wiring problem you speak of - are you using AC power? My trailer has AC capability (I think). I know that according to its original literature that if you plug it into AC power, it...hold on, let me findthe booklet... It basically says: "This vehicle is equipped with a power converter. The unit converts the 120V Hydro (AC) Power to the equivalent of a 12V battery as soon as the vehicle is plugged in...the converter will take over the battery automatically..." That's one reason I'd never plug it in, because the whole space would be filled with converted AC to DC fields, probably quite dirty. Also, with AC power, it would run through the wires constantly, amplified by the metal walls; no thanks! I use a battery, so it's only on when I'm running something inside. There are a few hotspots with high magnetic fieldsif a motor is running (furnace or water pump) that I avoid standing by, but I imagine it would be bad with AC. I would certainly wire everything differently if I were to build from scratch, though. The on/off switches are a good idea. I guess you answered my question, that EMFs can bounce up from the ground in some circumstances. I have windows in it (I can't imagine living in a light-less box), but am aware that RF which gets in can bounce around. I've got some aluminum screening that does a good job of keeping it out, and some shielding fabric. Take care, R. --- In [hidden email], <skolyer@...> wrote: > > I live in a metal house and can tell you a lot of things that I learned the hard way over a long time. First, I live in a mobile home. One thing that makes me very sick is the wiring that runs next to the aluminum siding.So I have much of my wiring running under the house away from the aluminum siding going to dedicated outlets. Other rooms have switches that turn off both the neutral and hot wires. Also you want no windows if you are in a metal house or else it will be like a microwave oven with EMF getting in through windows and bounding around inside the home. If you have aluminum siding then you want to make it like a faraday cage with a box inside that blocks the emf radiating inward from the aluminum on the outside. I wish Ihad done this before i put in all the new sheetrock. I would have put it between the sheetrock and the studs. It is very important that you have a foundation that can block emf from bouncing off the ground at an angle and entering into the house that way. These are a few things off the top of myhead but I'm sure there are lots more. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |
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I call it a mobile home but it is the kind you see in trailer parks. It is just like a house in every other respect. I wouldn't have any advice on a mobile trailer like an RV. I know nothing about that stuff. You could get a double wide used mobile home pretty cheap. If you are going to redo everything on the inside anyway you can get an old torn up one really cheap.
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Ahh, okay - I think I know the type you're referring to. The extra widthwould be nice, but I'm thinking small, maybe something smaller than I've even got now, totally gutted out and rebuilt to maximize the space inside, and narrow enough to easily pull with a normal pickup truck, somewhere remote if need be.
The aim for me is to either find a used trailer for cheap (because the furnishings might be in rough shape) but make sure it's structurally sound...ora truck trailer, for more ceiling height. R. --- On Sun, 7/19/09, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote: From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> Subject: [eSens] Re: Living in a metal box; things to consider? To: [hidden email] Received: Sunday, July 19, 2009, 6:43 PM I call it a mobile home but it is the kind you see in trailer parks. It is just like a house in every other respect. I wouldn't have any advice on a mobile trailer like an RV. I know nothing about that stuff. You could get a double wide used mobile home pretty cheap. If you are going to redo everything on the inside anyway you can get an old torn up one really cheap. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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