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Neo
Yes reducing exposure is the best solution.  It's a goal for me but I'm unable to completely remove myself from being on my laptop and phone to do research and communicate.  Although I've found ways to reduce exposure like using a 15ft usb cable and tethering with my phone. also using smaller laptops for less emf's.  and how Ive stopped the phone and moved to an LTE modem so I won't have to manually turn on and off the phone and get exposed. Cell tower signal is the worse for me. Wifi is less depending on connection.  My goal is to improve enough where I can be out and about and not feel the nerve pain and numbing and the rest of the symptoms.

Ive been dealing with constipation and gut isses the past couple of years.. what really helped was reading "Finer Menace" by Konstantin Monastyrsky. Lots of good info in there that helped me.  All the fiber I was taking like psyllium was making me worse.. I cut out psyllium and reduced my fiber added probiotics and more good fat to increase motility and I was regular for a bit until recently as may be having SIBO from my DMSA use for mercury detox as it can lead to yeast overgrowth. And the sugary shakes I tried out and that likely blew everything up.. my tooth got an infection and the whole body inflammation made life miserable for the past few weeks.  

Started doing more research and reading Healthy Gut Zone by Dr. Colbert. Lots of good info as well and trying some things.. last night seems like I'm heading towards better than last night. So hopefullly the peak is over and I can figure this out.  

Thanks.. will check out those links.
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Neo
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I've got them all removed last summer and have done about 14 rounds of the Andy Cutler Mercury Detox protocol, I believe is the safest method.  I feel like I have improved but my increased EMF sensitivity sort of trumps everything and is the main indicator that would tell me I'm improving.  I believe doing 4 rounds in a month recently with DMSA and alpha lipoic acid flared up my yeast and gut issues as DMSA is known to  cause yeast overgrowth.
One thing I notice is that I have less volume of urine and less of an urge to half way during the night.  I wake up to a full bladder in the middle of night to urinate since I was probably 8 years old.  Just before my current gut issue I slept through the night without the urge to urinate for 4-5 consecutive nights in a row. Unheard of! as it only happens one night maybe 1 or twice a year.   Possibly cutting down sugar and other diet changes has helped that.   I can't do sugar any ways and have cut most of it out many years ago when soda suddenly started to make me feel awful soon after a meal.  I got weak and cheated recently and am paying the price. There's probably other symptoms that have improved that I can't remember right now.

You can do a hair test "Hair Toxic & Essential Elements-Doctor's Data Kit" from Directlabs.com without a doctors note. $112 i think, may have gone up a few bucks.  There's may be two hair test with similar name and price but you want the the one i mentioned.

Interesting enough my sensitivity increased with my silver increase of which I did not know where I was getting exposed from for the past couple of years...   it showed extremely high silver , by last summer it was 10 times the max range from the green zone a couple years ago. I thought it was from my silver fillings but once I got them all removed and tested a few months later it increased even more.   Finally I think I figured it out as my last test has dropped back close to the green, surprisingly.. Silver is the most conductive metal and I believe it's absorbing more of the RF and EMF energy.  I realized the RF blocking beanie and and sweater and blanket i was using are all silver coated particles and fall off and leach in from sweat easily as my beanie stopped blocking signal as I sweated during the summer.  And my sweater that I wore everyday probably flaked and I was breathing it in.  
The hair test is said to only measure the last three months of exposure so although my readings are lower on my hair test.. I still believe I am silver toxic and still more sensitive than anyone I know.  check out this video on how EMF energy is absorbed through these diode antennas.  I theorize the silver and other conductive metals absorb these energy.  Say it lines up in our blood vessels and acts like an antenna absorbing the energy and causing symptoms.  People are sensitive to different frequencies - maybe how long the metals line up in us and the location has something to do with it as the length of the antenna picks up certain frequencies better.
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Neo
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I just installed the f.lux for my laptop, thanks! I have been using the nighshift mode on my iphone 24/7 for over a year now. Never occur to me to use it on my laptop.

Is there another post on how you build your "separators", what materials are used, dimensions and installation?  Thanks.
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On March 26, Merializer [via ES] <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Yeah I like to try more heavy metal detox myself, but over here most
> practitioners seem against it,

Well, there really seems to be no truly "safe" way to go about heavy metal detox.  I think I've tried over a dozen ways, and they all have problems.  Even the supposedly "safe" Cutler protocol made me worse in the long run.  Some have better luck with Boyd Haley's OSR/Emeramide, but I found that caused me big enough problems to discontinue it as well.  I have had better luck with things not generally recommended or actively advised against (e.g. NDF from BioRay, Clean Chlorella).

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Marc Martin
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Yes, it took me 3 years to go from completely out of work to working full-time in an office.  Then at that point things became less critical, and not really all that focused on it, although I can tell that I still have a metals problem, as I still can't tolerate any of the recommended protocols.
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Neo
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From my personal experience and research, I now believe mercury is the root cause of most , if not all of my issues.   Mercury/heavy metals weakens immune system in many ways and from there mold/bacteria flourishes and basically opens the flood gates to everything else.   Any Cutler says remove the mercury and treat your symptoms along the way. The removing mercury will allow your body to be able to heal itself again and that otherwise the health issues will persist.
One thing I know for sure is that I am an EHS sufferer.  The cause is I am not 100% sure but I've boiled it down to Mercury/heavy metals, Bacteria/virus overgrowth releasing toxin in EMF exposure, Myelin shealth deterioration or all of the above.

 What causes me to think its bacteria/virus is that my sensitivity fluctuates... about 2 years ago I reduced my exposure, went on the Grant Gennereux no vitamin A diet, exercised and did saunas, and I got well enough to go back to my old life for the summer and then stopped the diet and sauna with more exposure , I got really sensitive again and still dealing with it as the gym/sauna has been closed for a year now until recently but still no sauna. Ajnother indicator is that even a tiny bit of sugar, causes my gums to bleed and get infected and my whole body seems to go haywire indicating a bacteria issue as they feed on sugar. Indicating a weak immune system of which mercury/vaccines/tetna shots containing mercury,  is the cause.

If you do decide to heavy metal detox, please follow the Andy Cutler Protocol first, because most of the others are dangerous and causes heavy metals to redistribute to other sensitive organs.  Slow low dose chelation timed on half life of chelator is the safest...Note that there are many things we eat that moves mercury/metals around , foods that are high in thiols. Like cilantro, garlic, onions and much more.
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Neo
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Can you describe your experience with the Andy Cutler Protocol as I have done around a dozens rounds so far.  
How many rounds did you finish? And which chelator and amount did you start and end with?
What were your symptoms that got worse on the protocol?

There are some things in the protocol that are questionable. There is a FB group that addresses the issues with the protocol and tries to warn people about them and tweak it better.  
1. Is the high amount of vitamin C recommended daily.  Synthetic ascorbic acid alone is bad for the body according to Dr. Berg youtube videos.  Second is that vitamin C increases iron absorption and iron overload damages organs and leads to death. The mercury chelator alpha lipoic acid is some studies says it reduces iron as well from brains of mice... so the protocol could be causing and curing at the same time.   There is a likely hood the protocol has been hijacked by the main ACC FB group admin over the years, and now that Andy has passed.
2. The other recommended vitamin in high doses is vitamin A, which in Grant Gennereux's research and free e-books suspect it as the source of most all diseases, of which most are all diseases of epithelial tissues that are found not only in skin, gut/lung lining but in organ skin of which he argues are vitamin A toxicity damages and causes apoptosis appearing as rashes/acne on the skin, and inflammation in organs and eventually  organ failure or cancer.   Vitamin A toxicity causes epithelial cells lining veins and blood vessel leads to stiff arteries , build up of calcium/calcification and cholesteral and heart disease.
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Marc Martin
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On March 26, RagnarLothBrook [via ES] <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Can you describe your experience with the Andy Cutler Protocol as I
> have done around a dozens rounds so far.  
> How many rounds did you finish? And which chelator and amount did you
> start and end with?
> What were your symptoms that got worse on the protocol?

I used alpha lipoic acid mainly over a period of two years.  I tried DMPS and DMSA as well, but had horrific reactions to them.  I think I probably did 50 - 100 rounds over a period of 2 years (can't remember, this was a long time ago).  No improvement in any symptoms during that time, and all I ended up with was increasing ringing in the ears, until it became such an issue that I had to stop.  And even now, over a decade later, I still have permanent ringing in my ears that I didn't have prior to the doing the Cutler protocol.

I'm on other groups where many people have tried the Cutler protocol and it didn't help them or made them worse.  So my experience is not unique.

Marc

 
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Oh, and I never did high doses of Vitamin C and Vitamin A.  There were some recommended other things to do, like taking magnesium and zinc which I did, and I did find to be helpful.  

Marc
 
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Neo
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Yikes, sorry to hear that.
Ive always had ringing my ears probably since I was 8 or 9 before I knew
what it was, thought it was just the sound of the night.
Although recently with my gut issues flaring, my ringing was as loud as
ever. It always fluctuates with how well I am feeling related to my
digestion. But interestingly enough, it was right after I've done four
rounds in one month with DMSA and ALA, the most Ive done. I usually only do
2 rounds a month.  DMSA is known to cause yeast issues, which I believe led
to my gut issues and louder ringing.  But now with what you said... maybe
its also the ALA as well. I will keep an eye on this as I plan to do more
rounds with just ALA only. Thanks for sharing.

On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 10:54 AM Marc Martin [via ES] <
ml+s966376n4036205h23@n3.nabble.com> wrote:

> On March 26, RagnarLothBrook [via ES] <[hidden email]
> I used alpha lipoic acid mainly over a period of two years.  I tried DMPS
> and DMSA as well, but had horrific reactions to them.  I think I probably
> did 50 - 100 rounds over a period of 2 years (can't remember, this was a
> long time ago).  No improvement in any symptoms during that time, and all I
> ended up with was increasing ringing in the ears, until it became such an
> issue that I had to stop.  And even now, over a decade later, I still have
> permanent ringing in my ears that I didn't have prior to the doing the
> Cutler protocol.
>
> I'm on other groups where many people have tried the Cutler protocol and
> it didn't help them or made them worse.  So my experience is not unique.
>
> Marc

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casper
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I also tried Cutler's protocol. I quickly had to abandon ALA, as I found it very acidic and troublesome, but I had great help from DMSA, without ALA.

During my first dose of DMSA I had a tremendous relief from brain fog. I continued to use DMSA more or less half-regularly for the next 5 years, until I simply stopped using it because of diminishing returns.

I never did the actual Cutler protocol, taking DMSA every four hours. I never found the protocol to do anything, that taking DMSA freely just a couple times per day could not do.

It seems the experience with DMSA can vary a lot from person to person. For me it happened to be positive. Another chelator which has also helped is EDTA. I also find Cilantro tinctures to help, even though Cutler warns against it, but I never had any problems from that.

As for tinnitus (ringing in the ears), I am _extremely_ sensitive to it, and I also think it may be caused by mold getting out of hand inside the body. I know supplements which will give it to me instantly, and then I know the supplement is either contaminated, or the effect from the supplement allows mold to grow inside me. Either way, if I abandon the supplement then, the tinnitus will be gone in a few days.

Never take a supplement or food which causes tinnitus is my tip. It can quickly get out of hand, and be very difficult to get rid of the ringing later.




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Neo
Very interesting...it now leans towards ALA to be more suspect.
Do you recall which supplements caused your tinnitus?
Thanks for sharing.
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casper
Yes, one which I recall very well, because I just tried it yesterday :/, is L-Lysine from Carlson Labs. The thing is, many years earlier I found Lysine to actually reduce my tinnitus. I wanted to try it again, but I forgot which brand it was, so I ordered one at random. Well..Carlson Lysine is on my banned list now.

I have started writing TINNITUS with big letters on supplements which causes me this, so I don't accidentally try them again from my ginormous supplement cabinet.

Another one I saw with a quick look in the cabinet is Now Foods Maca, which also increased my EHS. Apparently contaminated in more ways than one, as other Maca brands did not cause these problems before.

Another one I remember well was a liquid B12 supplement made with Glycerine. Gave me horrible ringing. However other B12, even liquid ones, no problem. Again, my conclusion is these reactions must therefore (often) be because of contamination, and not necessarily the nutrient itself.

Sorry I can't provide a more detailed list. Now I almost wish I had it all on an Excel sheet or something.
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Neo
Thanks, I will make a note of that and start taking my own notes as well.
Another idea is that those supplements could be causing die-off symptoms as they kill off mold or bad bacteria causing a release of toxins leading to the tinnitus. But it could just be bad bad. Thought I'd throw it out there - food for thought.  Dr. Shoemaker talks is said to be the father of mold-illness and talks alot about die-off symptoms.
The other thing that I always check for is the "Other ingredients:" as many of them are said to be toxic.  I'm steering clear from silicon dioxide now, also magnesium stearate and I cant remember, some others.  I look for the least "other ingredients" as I can and avoid the one's that seems to be bad.  So that could be the difference between different brands causing issues. OR it is just contaminated or manufactured poorly.
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I wanted to reply to Ragnar sooner but I can't spend too much time on the computer.  I printed out this thread Monday and now I'm able to get online with some thoughts.

Starting with this thread titled: 10 Ways To "Dis" Your Electronic Devices

  https://www.es-forum.com/10-Ways-To-quot-Dis-quot-Your-Electronic-Devices-td4036213.html

My previous post on holistic health should also be useful:

And in a week or two I'll make reports on new supplements I'm trying.
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Sometimes negative reactions are merely down to dosage.  Especially when you do things to move toxins, as some of these things do.  I've never tried NDF Calm or Belly Mend, although I went through a lot of NDF, and also have some Belly Balance.  Although possibly Belly Balance and Belly Mend are the same thing?

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