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Everyone must work with what works for them for sure. All LED's are not created
equally but they do come in three different Kelvin ranges.. Incandescents are very inefficient like gasoline engines 20% power 80% heat. Electric motors 3-phase 80% power 20 % heat. Everything is a trade off and we do the best we can. Sent from a Hard-Wired Computer and a low RF environment. John Puccetti 805-642-0546 [hidden email] ________________________________ From: ad <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Sat, June 1, 2013 10:16:26 AM Subject: [eSens] Re: Li-Fi better than wi-fi ? led's are horrible, they emit a completely unnatural and idiotical spectrum, just like fluorescent lamps. our brains turn it into something that resembles day-light but it isn't. i doubt it is healthy, even apart from emf, and at any rate they are disgustable, well, that's in my view of course. in europe new incandescent bulbs are illegal now ( how crazy ! ), but for another few years halogen light-bulbs ( which are basically the same, only a bit brighter and more efficiënt ) are still available. for those unfamiliar with halogen lamps, there are 12 volt ones that run either on a battery or need a transformer ( which gives emf ) and high voltage ones that can be used as a regular bulb. the most ideal seems a 12 volt system with solar panels and no ac-current, but in the dark winterdays that may be a bit problematic. --- In [hidden email], John Puccetti <johnpuccetti@...> wrote: > > LED's are not perfect but in my mind they are the best option at the moment. I > have solar panels and they create a lot of dirty electricity. But I still feel > the goal is to be as clean as possible and as independent as possible from the > grid. > 1. I minimize my usage unplug all those ac to dc transformers that you can. Do > > not use dimmer switches. > 2. Then I try to clean up the dirty electricity. with GS filters. You can twist > > the hot and neutral wires from panels or in your wiring to eliminate EMF. But > you must have wiring in conduit to do that. Hard to do with existing wiring. > 3. With 12 GS filters I have our house down to 40 gs. That is what is > recomended. > Sent from a Hard-Wired Computer and a low RF environment. John Puccetti > 805-642-0546 > johnpuccetti@... > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Marc Martin <marc@...> > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Sat, June 1, 2013 9:22:04 AM > Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Li-Fi better than wi-fi ? > >  > On May 31, John Puccetti <johnpuccetti@...> wrote: > > I am a general contractor electrician specializing in emf and rf detection >and > > > > mitigation. LED lights, good ones have no dirty electricity and very low rf >but > > > > > some people have a problem with less than 100 hz. www.ledwholesalers.com has > > quality LEDs. > > We've had people here complain about LED lights, due the transformers from > line voltage down to the LED voltage (12v?). Seems like the safest lighting > is still incandescent, although it sounds like there is line voltage halogen > lighting as well. > > Marc > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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--- In [hidden email], "muii20" <mayflower700@...> wrote: > > > > Barrie Trower said photon transmission is safer than microwave rf; not sure how true is it. > > this article talks of micro led Li-Fi: > > http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/147339-micro-led-lifi-where-every-light-source-in-the-world-is-also-tv-and-provides-gigabit-internet-access > This is very exciting or very scary or both! Flicker is a problem. Even if you don't seem to perceive it, the brain and body do. Light - like much of the spectrum- can either heal or harm - depending on the details. |
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sure, but lights are not created equally either, lifi will probably turn out to be a disaster too, just like about anything these technophiles come up with.
in europe the politicians think obviously differently, people are supposed to work just with either led's or cfl's, although i'll certainly store a pile of halogen light-bulbs before those are hard to get here also. i tested two led-lamps, the so called warm-white was actually the worst, it made even a buzzing sound ( both were cheap ones but i won't buy and try another ... ). nevertheless it can always be worse : the cfl's are ( from my point of consciousness ). from an environmental perspective, cfl's contain mercury that mostly ends up in the trash, the led's contain if i'm not mistaken rare earth elements that won't be recycled. the tungsten in halogen lamps is not recycled either but that is i think relatively a less serious waste. if people would want to save energy, there are much more efficiënt ways to do that, not with electrical cars but smaller ones, driving less or on a bicycle, consuming less, heating less or insulation, etc. some years ago there were many environmental issues discussed, nowadays the gobal warming agenda is all one still hears. well, energy cost money, led's are better business, it is all about the economy, which it seems to have become a cornerstone of a new religion, together with technological degradation. --- In [hidden email], John Puccetti <johnpuccetti@...> wrote: > > Everyone must work with what works for them for sure. All LED's are not created > equally but they do come in three different Kelvin ranges.. Incandescents are > very inefficient like gasoline engines 20% power 80% heat. Electric motors > 3-phase 80% power 20 % heat. Everything is a trade off and we do the best we > can. >  > Sent from a Hard-Wired Computer and a low RF environment. John Puccetti > 805-642-0546 > johnpuccetti@... > > > > > ________________________________ > From: ad <arendgb@...> > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Sat, June 1, 2013 10:16:26 AM > Subject: [eSens] Re: Li-Fi better than wi-fi ? > >  > led's are horrible, they emit a completely unnatural and idiotical spectrum, > just like fluorescent lamps. > our brains turn it into something that resembles day-light but it isn't. > i doubt it is healthy, even apart from emf, and at any rate they are > disgustable, well, that's in my view of course. > in europe new incandescent bulbs are illegal now ( how crazy ! ), but for > another few years halogen light-bulbs ( which are basically the same, only a bit > brighter and more efficiënt ) are still available. > for those unfamiliar with halogen lamps, there are 12 volt ones that run either > on a battery or need a transformer ( which gives emf ) and high voltage ones > that can be used as a regular bulb. > > the most ideal seems a 12 volt system with solar panels and no ac-current, but > in the dark winterdays that may be a bit problematic. > > --- In [hidden email], John Puccetti <johnpuccetti@> wrote: > > > > LED's are not perfect but in my mind they are the best option at the moment. I > > > have solar panels and they create a lot of dirty electricity. But I still feel > > > the goal is to be as clean as possible and as independent as possible from the > > > grid. > > 1. I minimize my usage unplug all those ac to dc transformers that you can.àDo > > > > not use dimmer switches. > > 2. Then I try to clean up the dirty electricity. with GS filters. You can twist > > > > the hot and neutral wires from panels or in your wiring to eliminate EMF. But > > you must have wiring in conduit to do that. Hard to do with existing wiring. > > 3.àWith 12 GS filters I have our house down to 40 gs. That is what is > > recomended.à> > Sent from a Hard-Wired Computeràand a low RF environment. John Puccetti > > 805-642-0546 > > johnpuccetti@ > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Marc Martin <marc@> > > To: [hidden email] > > Sent: Sat, June 1, 2013 9:22:04 AM > > Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Li-Fi better than wi-fi ? > > > > à> > On May 31, John Puccetti <johnpuccetti@> wrote: > > > I am a general contractor electrician specializing in emf and rf detection > >and > > > > > > > mitigation. LED lights, good ones have no dirty electricity and very low rf > >but > > > > > > > > some people have a problem with less than 100 hz. www.ledwholesalers.com has > > > > quality LEDs. > > > > We've had people here complain about LED lights, due the transformers from > > line voltage down to the LED voltage (12v?). Seems like the safest lighting > > is still incandescent, although it sounds like there is line voltage halogen > > lighting as well. > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |
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Lizzie,
I always enjoy and appreciate your knowledge and posts! You and I are on the same pages in the same books. Kathy Bachler's book was very revealing to me. It's kind of funny in that I have a close friend who is a retired electrical engineer. He knows more than any other ten people combined. He is also a lifetime Dowser. He used to drag me to the Dowser's meetings. At the time (years ago), I thought the Dowsers were a little or more weird, or maybe they just knew a heckova lot more than "normal" people. I learned so much from them that is now knowledge more generally, sometimes, known. When I first heard about geopathic stress, I thought it was a silly concept. I know better now! We bought property and built a house on it, not knowing about the geopathic stress of this area. And I didn't know then the problems with overhead power lines - even the fact that my area is all electric - no gas, so that even changes the equation. We've been in our home 30 years. I have 3 sons. The two who were not born here and moved away are just fine. My husband, I, and our youngest son who was born here each have extensive health issues... I now believe that geo stress along with the power lines and newer EM issues are why my son's health has suffered so much, and why I haven't been able to get well from my own health issues. The power lines are on the north side of my property. Most of my trees have dead limbs on the north side. Unfortunately my back yard is a magnetic mess, and I can't even be out there. The magnetic reading is upwards of 6,7,8 & higher depending on heat and area of yard. My beloved dog got cancer. My cat was fine. Cats and dogs thrive under different energy conditions (Kathy Bachler) - the storks and ants, etc... I plan to move. I don't think it is possible to fix all the things that are wrong - particularly the powerlines, phone landline, and "Analog" meter. I am fried from all directions. I am trying to figure out where and how to accomplish moving. It's a Catch 22. We need to move for our health, and we need health to move. It will be done, as I cannot survive at this spot. I have been staying with my sister for a few days to de-electric, but I have to return soon. My husband has received cancer txs, and needs support... The electric and geo stuff will force me to do what needs to be done! I have a nephew who is fracking. I hate that. He could find no other job. I am very familiar with Klinghardt. I know people (online) who have been to him. Thanks for all your info and links. This is helpful! Fried judy --- In [hidden email], Elizabeth thode <lizt777@...> wrote: > > My property has underground water, probably odd somehing and stray voltage, I believe. Got shocked grounding one day! Came up through the grounding rod. My body measured that!! > > Yes, that is a huge problem and it goes mainly unrecognized....that is not really stray voltage, it is live current. > Check out this website: www.streetzaps.com > > > And read Dave Steizers testimony on stray voltage. > > > 1. > David Stetzer Testimony Transcript - > Stetzer Electric > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > www.stetzerelectric.com/david-stetzer-testimony-transcript/ > > > > > The utility co's use the "earth" to ground the power poles. > Electricity will always follow the path of least resistance. > > I have sent you an attachment on how to use a grounding rod on your bed, without using the "earth" as so called "ground". > this is a technology, easy to DO, not expensive, works very well, and was given to me by my Irish Healer Colleague, Ciaran. > (thank you soo much Ciaran!) > I have used this system for 3 years for both my daughter and myself. > > You have underground water, this is underground subterranean caverns. And these earth stress lines, put out HUGELY > powerful geopathic stress- especially when sleeping over these lines. Which is just about everyone on the planet! > And the practice known as Fracking, has been documented to cause more earthquakes...not really a surpreise when > you think about how frackign is done. > > See: > Geopathic Stress - Land & Spirit www.landandspirit.net/html/body_geopathic_stress.htmlýI would suggest you place MIRRORS FACING DOWN, under your bed. > This will reflect the geopathic stress coming up from the subterranean water.... > AWAY from you during sleep. > I bought those door mirrors at Target, for 6 bucks a piece, depending on how big your bed is.. > I laid 3 down MIRROR FACING DOWN...and layered them slightly, and used duct tape to hold them > in place. Then I taped bubble wrap at the floor, at the edge of the bed, so I wouldn't step on the edge of the mirror. > > Geopathic stress is the original source of ES...because it is the ORIGINAL source of radiation > we were heavily exposed to. > This is my working theory, the geopathic stress was here way before the cell phones were. > This info gets ignored often, especially on this esens site. > All I can tell you, try the mirrors and this willl be your proof! > > For some, it only takes a night to know this makes a big difference..... > for others, it takes a few nights to see the results. > And too, geopathic stress is made MUCH worse by earthquakes. > The more earthquakes, the more geopathic stress. > SEE: http://earthquake-report.com > > Radiation IS strong magnetic fields. > And the equipment to measure geopathic stress is highly specialized, and not easily available ..... > unless you happpen to be near Dr. Klinghardts's Seattle office, he does have this equipt > that he rents out to his patients. (If you haven't heard of Dr. Klinghardt, google him, > he is a well known alternative doctor, who has two offices, one here in the states, and the other > in Europe. He says 80% of chronic diseases/conditions are caused from emfs. > See: > > > Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt - Smart Meters & EMR: The Health > Crisis Of Our Time > > > > > > http://stopsmartmeters.org.uk/dr-dietrich-klinghardt-smart-meters-emr-the-health-crisis-of-our-time/ > > > That equip to measure geopathic stress probably came from Europe (probably Vienna, Austria)...where geopathic stress is much better recognized. > SEe also book: Earth Radiation by Kathe Bachler (amazon) > There is PLENTY of documentation to prove how harmful geopathic stress IS. > > P.s. > ONe day my dog peed on a tree, got zapped so strong, this live current picked up my 90 lb dog and tossed her > at the back of my ankles...just about knocked me down! Up above the tree branches, I saw a telephone line! > > Blessings, > Lizzie > To: [hidden email] > From: judyl_nev@... > Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 00:33:23 +0000 > Subject: [eSens] Re: Li-Fi better than wi-fi ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have just ordered my third meter. Total cost for 3 about $700. > > > > I have spent THOUSANDS trying to find out what was the matter with me, trying to fix me and buying pendants and gadgets trying to shield me. Money is always an issue. > > > > The meters are a huge help because now I'm able to measure and verify what I feel. And I CAN SHOW others what the heck I'm talking about. And I can measure others' homes or offices. I recently had an electrician over to check the electrical on the house. I could show him readings. He suffers seizures, and I'm hoping that what I taught him (!) will be helpful to HIM. > > > > But, like Marc says, there are things that bother me still, and I don't know what it is! It is maddening. My situation is complicated by other health issues. But now I've become much better at ferreting out which field is the problem.. Then you can learn how to remediate it. > > > > I have a Trifield meter :.. very helpful. I discovered that magnetic fields appear to be my greatest problem. I have overhead power lines, and the magnetic field is terrible. I'm visiting my sister's house right now, and powerlines are buried. Magnetic field reading is near zero. > > > > I might have been better off buying a quality Gaussmeter instead of the Trifield? > > > > I have a Stetzerizer... very helpful! I had readings in some rooms of 1500 to 1900!! Caused by (believe it or not) poor quality LED lightbulbs I bought, thinking I was doing the right thing... once they were removed, and I put back incandescent bulbs, the Dirty Electricity readings went to reasonable. Still need to do a little more on that. > > > > I have an acoustimeter on order. That should prove to be fun! > > > > I have a so-called Analog meter replacement for a smart meter. It is terrible. It makes me feel awful. The only thing measured so far is with a voltmeter. It puts through very irregular voltage. > > > > My property has underground water, probably odd somehing and stray voltage, I believe. Got shocked grounding one day! Came up through the grounding rod. My body measured that!! > > > > Judy > > > > --- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@> wrote: > > > > > > On May 30, John Puccetti <johnpuccetti@> wrote: > > > > What meter would you use? My HF 35 C 800 MHZ to 2500 shows nothing? I don't > > > > understand what you are looking for could you tell me what meter you would use? > > > > > > Well... there are people on this list who have (apparently) invested thousands > > > and thousands of dollars on EMF meters (maybe even more than ten thousand?), > > > and yet even they say that they cannot measure everything that they want to > > > measure. > > > > > > I, on the other hand, have taken the approach that *I* am the meter -- if > > > it's bothering me, then I should do something about it. If it's not, then I > > > don't. That is the most relevant "meter" for me personally, but does leave > > > me "in the dark" about how things measure on various meters. > > > > > > And personally, I have found electronics that are totally unbearable to me > > > when turned on, and yet none of the meters I own (admittedly few) indicate > > > anything at all coming from them. So to me, a "zero" reading is meaningless. > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |
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I also use my own body as my EMF meter. As I mentioned, I have a popping sensation in my neck that lets me know when there is bothersome radiation coming from some device.
In our new house in the country, they had installed a security system. We unplugged the security system and removed the monitors, but I still felt the popping near the closet where the main box was located. My husband finally got tired of my complaining and ripped the box (which was locked, btw) completely out of the closet. No more popping in my neck. He found that there was indeed a battery backup in the box. Also wanted to share my experience with the designs for health EMF Protect supplement (which I got from PureFormulas with no shipping charge). It did indeed help me sleep, but there's something in it that irritated my kidneys and sent my blood pressure up. Now to break down the ingredients and try them individually. Hopefully the one that helps me sleep is not the same one that bothers my kidneys. Christine --- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote: > > On May 30, John Puccetti <johnpuccetti@...> wrote: > > What meter would you use? My HF 35 C 800 MHZ to 2500 shows nothing? I don't > > understand what you are looking for could you tell me what meter you would use? > > Well... there are people on this list who have (apparently) invested thousands > and thousands of dollars on EMF meters (maybe even more than ten thousand?), > and yet even they say that they cannot measure everything that they want to > measure. > > I, on the other hand, have taken the approach that *I* am the meter -- if > it's bothering me, then I should do something about it. If it's not, then I > don't. That is the most relevant "meter" for me personally, but does leave > me "in the dark" about how things measure on various meters. > > And personally, I have found electronics that are totally unbearable to me > when turned on, and yet none of the meters I own (admittedly few) indicate > anything at all coming from them. So to me, a "zero" reading is meaningless. > > Marc > |
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The popping in the neck is the axel bone going out...
chiropractors are now making huge money off wireless, as this is a common complaint they are finding. Capolis is listed as an ingredient, and vetted by ALL mainstream sources...and contain petro chemicals . Kidneys have to filter all toxins.... which includes petro chemicals. None of the ingredients listed on this product are my choice for healthy ingredients. Here are my choices: Iodine Spirulena Vit B complex Selenium Magnesium Chloride Oil - from pure source, you soak in this, its not a pill...www.ancient-minerals.com Turmuric Lizzie To: [hidden email] From: [hidden email] Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 16:39:17 +0000 Subject: [eSens] Re: EMF Meters I also use my own body as my EMF meter. As I mentioned, I have a popping sensation in my neck that lets me know when there is bothersome radiation coming from some device. In our new house in the country, they had installed a security system. We unplugged the security system and removed the monitors, but I still felt the popping near the closet where the main box was located. My husband finally got tired of my complaining and ripped the box (which was locked, btw) completely out of the closet. No more popping in my neck. He found that there was indeed a battery backup in the box. Also wanted to share my experience with the designs for health EMF Protect supplement (which I got from PureFormulas with no shipping charge). It did indeed help me sleep, but there's something in it that irritated my kidneys and sent my blood pressure up. Now to break down the ingredients and try them individually. Hopefully the one that helps me sleep is not the same one that bothers my kidneys. Christine --- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote: > > On May 30, John Puccetti <johnpuccetti@...> wrote: > > What meter would you use? My HF 35 C 800 MHZ to 2500 shows nothing? I don't > > understand what you are looking for could you tell me what meter you would use? > > Well... there are people on this list who have (apparently) invested thousands > and thousands of dollars on EMF meters (maybe even more than ten thousand?), > and yet even they say that they cannot measure everything that they want to > measure. > > I, on the other hand, have taken the approach that *I* am the meter -- if > it's bothering me, then I should do something about it. If it's not, then I > don't. That is the most relevant "meter" for me personally, but does leave > me "in the dark" about how things measure on various meters. > > And personally, I have found electronics that are totally unbearable to me > when turned on, and yet none of the meters I own (admittedly few) indicate > anything at all coming from them. So to me, a "zero" reading is meaningless. > > Marc > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Christine,
Have found I do better with vitamins but still react some to so take apart capsule and put some under tongue. Wonder if you can take the supplement at a reduced amount? Liz It says online that Capolis is from bee propolis, according to the website. Do you have a reference for it containing petro? Have gotten a large rash last time I took iodine. B vitamins are wonderful, just try in moderation till you find your best dosage. Some people need diff forms. (such as not folic acid but L-5-MTHFR...),just recieved my 23andme dna results back and it is interesting, though wonder what causes a gene to express itself ornot, and how to tell. (MTHFR C677T ). Someone told me her son had a thiamin deficiency and the regular one didnt work as he had a enzyme problem that wouldnt activate it. Wow , feel like I am doing really good, compared to some. Christine let me know how it goes with your new supplement. Thanks Lynn D --- In [hidden email], Elizabeth thode <lizt777@...> wrote: > > The popping in the neck is the axel bone going out... > chiropractors are now making huge money off wireless, as this is a common complaint they are finding. > > > Capolis is listed as an ingredient, and vetted by ALL mainstream sources...and contain petro chemicals . > Kidneys have to filter all toxins.... > which includes petro chemicals. > None of the ingredients listed on this product are my choice for healthy ingredients. > > Here are my choices: > Iodine > Spirulena > Vit B complex > Selenium > Magnesium Chloride Oil - from pure source, you soak in this, its not a pill...www.ancient-minerals.com > Turmuric > > Lizzie > > To: [hidden email] > From: christinelrc@... > Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 16:39:17 +0000 > Subject: [eSens] Re: EMF Meters > > I also use my own body as my EMF meter. As I mentioned, I have a popping sensation in my neck that lets me know when there is bothersome radiation coming from some device. > > > > In our new house in the country, they had installed a security system. We unplugged the security system and removed the monitors, but I still felt the popping near the closet where the main box was located. My husband finally got tired of my complaining and ripped the box (which was locked, btw) completely out of the closet. No more popping in my neck. He found that there was indeed a battery backup in the box. > > > > Also wanted to share my experience with the designs for health EMF Protect supplement (which I got from PureFormulas with no shipping charge). It did indeed help me sleep, but there's something in it that irritated my kidneys and sent my blood pressure up. Now to break down the ingredients and try them individually. Hopefully the one that helps me sleep is not the same one that bothers my kidneys. > > > > Christine > > > > --- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@> wrote: > > > > > > On May 30, John Puccetti <johnpuccetti@> wrote: > > > > What meter would you use? My HF 35 C 800 MHZ to 2500 shows nothing? I don't > > > > understand what you are looking for could you tell me what meter you would use? > > > > > > Well... there are people on this list who have (apparently) invested thousands > > > and thousands of dollars on EMF meters (maybe even more than ten thousand?), > > > and yet even they say that they cannot measure everything that they want to > > > measure. > > > > > > I, on the other hand, have taken the approach that *I* am the meter -- if > > > it's bothering me, then I should do something about it. If it's not, then I > > > don't. That is the most relevant "meter" for me personally, but does leave > > me "in the dark" about how things measure on various meters. > > And personally, I have found electronics that are totally unbearable to me > > when turned on, and yet none of the meters I own (admittedly few) indicate > > > anything at all coming from them. So to me, a "zero" reading is meaningless. > > Marc > |
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Well... let me ask you a question: After you read the info below: "Does this look like something "natural" to you?" Because I have bee propolis, in the raw natural form, and it says "bee propolis" not capolis, which is the lab made form, and is petro chemicals. capolis.com/ WHAT IS C.A.P.E.? The full chemical name for C.A.P.E. is Caffeic Acid Phenethyl Ester, and research shows that this naturally-occuring constituent of bee ...Research funded by who, mainstream?? I will add here: Mainstream has a funny habit of replacing mother nature's gifts with petro chemicals. PETROLEUM doesn't belong in the body. Caffeic acid phenethyl ester (CAPE), derived from a honeybee ... Other names:Acetic acid, phenethyl ester;β-Phenethyl acetate;β-Phenylethyl acetate; Benzylcarbinyl acetate; Phenethyl acetate; 2-Phenethyl acetate; 2-Phenylethyl acetate; Acetic acid β-phenylethyl ester; Ethanol, 2-phenyl-, acetate; Phenylethyl acetate-β;Phenylethyl acetate; NSC 71927; Phenethyl alcohol, acetate;β-Phenylethanol acetate Phenethyl acetate Synonyms: FEMA 2857;PHENETHYL ACETATE;PHENYLETHYLACETAT;2-phenethylacetate;2-Phenethyl acetate;2-Phenylethylacetat;PHENYL ETHYL ACETATE;2-PHENYLETHYL ACETATE;B-PHENYLETHYL ACETATE;benzylcarbinylacetate Phenethyl acetate | 103-45-7 - ChemicalBook www.chemicalbook.com And yes, the body requires B vitamins. all of them. Thyroid needs B-6 in the form of: Pyridoxall 5-Phosphate And adrenals need B-5. All the B's are common deficiencies. Disease/unhealth are caused from combination of: Nutritional Deficiencies and Toxic Over load. Doesn't matter which one comes first, one opens the door to the other. When they started using chemical fertizilers in agriculture in the 50's, they stripped the soils of nutrients, especially Sulfur, but all nutrients. So we eat dead food- and processed foods. Then we think we are doing better by taking vitamins....and it can yield good results, but it pays to be careful to make sure you're taking a vitamin that is helping, and not adding to the toxic over load. check all your ingredients including what' s in your vitamins. Blessings, Lizzie To: [hidden email] From: [hidden email] Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 20:26:56 +0000 Subject: [eSens] Re: EMF Meters Christine, Have found I do better with vitamins but still react some to so take apart capsule and put some under tongue. Wonder if you can take the supplement at a reduced amount? Liz It says online that Capolis is from bee propolis, according to the website. Do you have a reference for it containing petro? Have gotten a large rash last time I took iodine. B vitamins are wonderful, just try in moderation till you find your best dosage. Some people need diff forms. (such as not folic acid but L-5-MTHFR...),just recieved my 23andme dna results back and it is interesting, though wonder what causes a gene to express itself ornot, and how to tell. (MTHFR C677T ). Someone told me her son had a thiamin deficiency and the regular one didnt work as he had a enzyme problem that wouldnt activate it. Wow , feel like I am doing really good, compared to some. Christine let me know how it goes with your new supplement. Thanks Lynn D --- In [hidden email], Elizabeth thode <lizt777@...> wrote: > > The popping in the neck is the axel bone going out... > chiropractors are now making huge money off wireless, as this is a common complaint they are finding. > > > Capolis is listed as an ingredient, and vetted by ALL mainstream sources...and contain petro chemicals . > Kidneys have to filter all toxins.... > which includes petro chemicals. > None of the ingredients listed on this product are my choice for healthy ingredients. > > Here are my choices: > Iodine > Spirulena > Vit B complex > Selenium > Magnesium Chloride Oil - from pure source, you soak in this, its not a pill...www.ancient-minerals.com > Turmuric > > Lizzie > > To: [hidden email] > From: christinelrc@... > Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 16:39:17 +0000 > Subject: [eSens] Re: EMF Meters > > I also use my own body as my EMF meter. As I mentioned, I have a popping sensation in my neck that lets me know when there is bothersome radiation coming from some device. > > > > In our new house in the country, they had installed a security system. We unplugged the security system and removed the monitors, but I still felt the popping near the closet where the main box was located. My husband finally got tired of my complaining and ripped the box (which was locked, btw) completely out of the closet. No more popping in my neck. He found that there was indeed a battery backup in the box. > > > > Also wanted to share my experience with the designs for health EMF Protect supplement (which I got from PureFormulas with no shipping charge). It did indeed help me sleep, but there's something in it that irritated my kidneys and sent my blood pressure up. Now to break down the ingredients and try them individually. Hopefully the one that helps me sleep is not the same one that bothers my kidneys. > > > > Christine > > > > --- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@> wrote: > > > > > > On May 30, John Puccetti <johnpuccetti@> wrote: > > > > What meter would you use? My HF 35 C 800 MHZ to 2500 shows nothing? I don't > > > > understand what you are looking for could you tell me what meter you would use? > > > > > > Well... there are people on this list who have (apparently) invested thousands > > > and thousands of dollars on EMF meters (maybe even more than ten thousand?), > > > and yet even they say that they cannot measure everything that they want to > > > measure. > > > > > > I, on the other hand, have taken the approach that *I* am the meter -- if > > > it's bothering me, then I should do something about it. If it's not, then I > > > don't. That is the most relevant "meter" for me personally, but does leave > > me "in the dark" about how things measure on various meters. > > And personally, I have found electronics that are totally unbearable to me > > when turned on, and yet none of the meters I own (admittedly few) indicate > > > anything at all coming from them. So to me, a "zero" reading is meaningless. > > Marc > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Well, my questions may have been dumb and one of them was answered already, but i put mirrors under my bed, yes facing down ;). It gives a different energy-field, more light, but not completely natural, there is a flavour to it, not really disturbing but it ain't perfect ... I used perhaps not the best type of mirrors, just what was at hand. Falling asleep became a bit harder but the sleep is deeper, less waking up in the middle of the night, the body feels more relaxed when the time has come that it steps out of bed. I'll experiment with other places and different mirrors, like the old ones with a real silvercoating. Anyway, thanks for the idea. --- In [hidden email], "ad" <arendgb@...> wrote: > > thanks for the link : > http://www.landandspirit.net/html/body_geopathic_stress.html > it's a long page and i may be a bit blind but what did it say exactly about using mirror under the bed ? > laying them facing down ? same surface as the bed ? what happens in a room underneath, will the geopathic stress from water currents get worse there then ? > and another question, has anyone any idea what kind of meters are used to measure disturbances in natural emf ? > perhaps an ordinary low-hertz magnetic field meter should do the trick, although i guess given the mentioned strength in nT that fluctuations in static fields are to be looked at. > the Genitron Felix-3 is a fictional instrument that people talk about but never have seen, also not in german universities and research institutes, according to the book Underground Rivers by Richard J. Heggen ( page 1265 ), which is highly skeptical but the question remains : what meters and where to buy ? > besides all this, a lot of subtle energies may not be measurable anyway, although there could be a relation between what a meter shows and what it doesn't. > > > --- In [hidden email], Elizabeth thode <lizt777@> wrote: > > > > My property has underground water, probably odd somehing and stray voltage, I believe. Got shocked grounding one day! Came up through the grounding rod. My body measured that!! > > > > Yes, that is a huge problem and it goes mainly unrecognized....that is not really stray voltage, it is live current. > > Check out this website: www.streetzaps.com > > > > > > And read Dave Steizers testimony on stray voltage. > > > > > > 1. > > David Stetzer � Testimony Transcript - > > Stetzer Electric > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > www.stetzerelectric.com/david-stetzer-testimony-transcript/ > > > > > > > > > > The utility co's use the "earth" to ground the power poles. > > Electricity will always follow the path of least resistance. > > > > I have sent you an attachment on how to use a grounding rod on your bed, without using the "earth" as so called "ground". > > this is a technology, easy to DO, not expensive, works very well, and was given to me by my Irish Healer Colleague, Ciaran. > > (thank you soo much Ciaran!) > > I have used this system for 3 years for both my daughter and myself. > > > > You have underground water, this is underground subterranean caverns. And these earth stress lines, put out HUGELY > > powerful geopathic stress- especially when sleeping over these lines. Which is just about everyone on the planet! > > And the practice known as Fracking, has been documented to cause more earthquakes...not really a surpreise when > > you think about how frackign is done. > > > > See: > > Geopathic Stress - Land & Spirit www.landandspirit.net/html/body_geopathic_stress.html�I would suggest you place MIRRORS FACING DOWN, under your bed. > > This will reflect the geopathic stress coming up from the subterranean water.... > > AWAY from you during sleep. > > I bought those door mirrors at Target, for 6 bucks a piece, depending on how big your bed is.. > > I laid 3 down MIRROR FACING DOWN...and layered them slightly, and used duct tape to hold them > > in place. Then I taped bubble wrap at the floor, at the edge of the bed, so I wouldn't step on the edge of the mirror. > > > > Geopathic stress is the original source of ES...because it is the ORIGINAL source of radiation > > we were heavily exposed to. > > This is my working theory, the geopathic stress was here way before the cell phones were. > > This info gets ignored often, especially on this esens site. > > All I can tell you, try the mirrors and this willl be your proof! > > > > For some, it only takes a night to know this makes a big difference..... > > for others, it takes a few nights to see the results. > > And too, geopathic stress is made MUCH worse by earthquakes. > > The more earthquakes, the more geopathic stress. > > SEE: http://earthquake-report.com > > > > Radiation IS strong magnetic fields. > > And the equipment to measure geopathic stress is highly specialized, and not easily available ..... > > unless you happpen to be near Dr. Klinghardts's Seattle office, he does have this equipt > > that he rents out to his patients. (If you haven't heard of Dr. Klinghardt, google him, > > he is a well known alternative doctor, who has two offices, one here in the states, and the other > > in Europe. He says 80% of chronic diseases/conditions are caused from emfs. > > See: > > > > > > Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt - Smart Meters & EMR: The Health > > Crisis Of Our Time > > > > > > > > > > http://stopsmartmeters.org.uk/dr-dietrich-klinghardt-smart-meters-emr-the-health-crisis-of-our-time/ > > > > > > That equip to measure geopathic stress probably came from Europe (probably Vienna, Austria)...where geopathic stress is much better recognized. > > SEe also book: Earth Radiation by Kathe Bachler (amazon) > > There is PLENTY of documentation to prove how harmful geopathic stress IS. > > > > P.s. > > ONe day my dog peed on a tree, got zapped so strong, this live current picked up my 90 lb dog and tossed her > > at the back of my ankles...just about knocked me down! Up above the tree branches, I saw a telephone line! > > > > Blessings, > > Lizzie > > To: [hidden email] > > From: judyl_nev@ > > Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 00:33:23 +0000 > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Li-Fi better than wi-fi ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have just ordered my third meter. Total cost for 3 about $700. > > > > > > > > I have spent THOUSANDS trying to find out what was the matter with me, trying to fix me and buying pendants and gadgets trying to shield me. Money is always an issue. > > > > > > > > The meters are a huge help because now I'm able to measure and verify what I feel. And I CAN SHOW others what the heck I'm talking about. And I can measure others' homes or offices. I recently had an electrician over to check the electrical on the house. I could show him readings. He suffers seizures, and I'm hoping that what I taught him (!) will be helpful to HIM. > > > > > > > > But, like Marc says, there are things that bother me still, and I don't know what it is! It is maddening. My situation is complicated by other health issues. But now I've become much better at ferreting out which field is the problem.. Then you can learn how to remediate it. > > > > > > > > I have a Trifield meter :.. very helpful. I discovered that magnetic fields appear to be my greatest problem. I have overhead power lines, and the magnetic field is terrible. I'm visiting my sister's house right now, and powerlines are buried. Magnetic field reading is near zero. > > > > > > > > I might have been better off buying a quality Gaussmeter instead of the Trifield? > > > > > > > > I have a Stetzerizer... very helpful! I had readings in some rooms of 1500 to 1900!! Caused by (believe it or not) poor quality LED lightbulbs I bought, thinking I was doing the right thing... once they were removed, and I put back incandescent bulbs, the Dirty Electricity readings went to reasonable. Still need to do a little more on that. > > > > > > > > I have an acoustimeter on order. That should prove to be fun! > > > > > > > > I have a so-called Analog meter replacement for a smart meter. It is terrible. It makes me feel awful. The only thing measured so far is with a voltmeter. It puts through very irregular voltage. > > > > > > > > My property has underground water, probably odd somehing and stray voltage, I believe. Got shocked grounding one day! Came up through the grounding rod. My body measured that!! > > > > > > > > Judy > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On May 30, John Puccetti <johnpuccetti@> wrote: > > > > > > What meter would you use? My HF 35 C 800 MHZ to 2500 shows nothing? I don't > > > > > > understand what you are looking for could you tell me what meter you would use? > > > > > > > > > > Well... there are people on this list who have (apparently) invested thousands > > > > > and thousands of dollars on EMF meters (maybe even more than ten thousand?), > > > > > and yet even they say that they cannot measure everything that they want to > > > > > measure. > > > > > > > > > > I, on the other hand, have taken the approach that *I* am the meter -- if > > > > > it's bothering me, then I should do something about it. If it's not, then I > > > > > don't. That is the most relevant "meter" for me personally, but does leave > > > > > me "in the dark" about how things measure on various meters. > > > > > > > > > > And personally, I have found electronics that are totally unbearable to me > > > > > when turned on, and yet none of the meters I own (admittedly few) indicate > > > > > anything at all coming from them. So to me, a "zero" reading is meaningless. > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > |
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And you are helping yourself in tremendous ways. First, after being exposed to that amt of geopathic stress, it takes the body awhile to adjust to a cleaner field. The body is going from a strong radiation source, coming from geopathic stress, to a much diminshed radiation field.....now the body has to adjust and it takes time. MOst will notice an immediate difference in sleep, but truly, its not much different from being exposed to strong wifi, the body takes time to heal and go back to the body's natural homeostasis . Is it perfect? Is anything? But as this source of often completely missed radiation is everywhere on this planet, this is the best way I have found to reduce the field. Does it work? Yes. This mirror info isn't on the land and spirits website....what is on there is a really thorough explanation of what geopathic stress is, and how it effects the body, and how it magnifies all other emf fields. I will add it also magnifies dirty electricity. I found the mirror info in two other places, decided to try this method, had friends try this and all reported an improvement. What happpens to the room underneath? Probably yes, the field is worse there. So if there were a bed directly underneath, I'd probably move that bed, and put mirrors under it too. It doesn't have to be a perfect mirror, the idea is to reflect the rays of nasty geopathic stress AWAY from the body, during sleep, which is when the body regenerates/repairs itself. P.S. If a person is very sensitive to emfs, and you spend time in a strong field of wifi, or whatever, even after you leave that area, it takes time for the body to return to balance. We've all been sleeping ON geopathic stress probably all of our lives. I haven't found a single place that doesn't have it. So that you were able to tell that much of a difference so soon, means you are very much able to listen to your body. You noticed deeper sleep, less waking up, and feeling more rested. Imagine what this will feel like after a few weeks, or months of this. This geopathic stress IS the original source of radiation we were/are all exposed to.....and this source went completely un noticed, on the ES sites. Its time for truth. This IS ionizing radiation. And the subterranean caverns run all thru everywhere....they go for miles and miles and miles. some bedrooms are worse then others, but its always "there"- these underground water lines. Fracking has made this worse, as has all the earthquakes. Add to this, "every" nuclear facility is built on fault lines. HOw stupid is that? Blessings, Lizzie To: [hidden email] From: [hidden email] Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 21:03:44 +0000 Subject: [eSens] Re: Li-Fi better than wi-fi ? Well, my questions may have been dumb and one of them was answered already, but i put mirrors under my bed, yes facing down ;). It gives a different energy-field, more light, but not completely natural, there is a flavour to it, not really disturbing but it ain't perfect ... I used perhaps not the best type of mirrors, just what was at hand. Falling asleep became a bit harder but the sleep is deeper, less waking up in the middle of the night, the body feels more relaxed when the time has come that it steps out of bed. I'll experiment with other places and different mirrors, like the old ones with a real silvercoating. Anyway, thanks for the idea. --- In [hidden email], "ad" <arendgb@...> wrote: > > thanks for the link : > http://www.landandspirit.net/html/body_geopathic_stress.html > it's a long page and i may be a bit blind but what did it say exactly about using mirror under the bed ? > laying them facing down ? same surface as the bed ? what happens in a room underneath, will the geopathic stress from water currents get worse there then ? > and another question, has anyone any idea what kind of meters are used to measure disturbances in natural emf ? > perhaps an ordinary low-hertz magnetic field meter should do the trick, although i guess given the mentioned strength in nT that fluctuations in static fields are to be looked at. > the Genitron Felix-3 is a fictional instrument that people talk about but never have seen, also not in german universities and research institutes, according to the book Underground Rivers by Richard J. Heggen ( page 1265 ), which is highly skeptical but the question remains : what meters and where to buy ? > besides all this, a lot of subtle energies may not be measurable anyway, although there could be a relation between what a meter shows and what it doesn't. > > > --- In [hidden email], Elizabeth thode <lizt777@> wrote: > > > > My property has underground water, probably odd somehing and stray voltage, I believe. Got shocked grounding one day! Came up through the grounding rod. My body measured that!! > > > > Yes, that is a huge problem and it goes mainly unrecognized....that is not really stray voltage, it is live current. > > Check out this website: www.streetzaps.com > > > > > > And read Dave Steizers testimony on stray voltage. > > > > > > 1. > > David Stetzer � Testimony Transcript - > > Stetzer Electric > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > www.stetzerelectric.com/david-stetzer-testimony-transcript/ > > > > > > > > > > The utility co's use the "earth" to ground the power poles. > > Electricity will always follow the path of least resistance. > > > > I have sent you an attachment on how to use a grounding rod on your bed, without using the "earth" as so called "ground". > > this is a technology, easy to DO, not expensive, works very well, and was given to me by my Irish Healer Colleague, Ciaran. > > (thank you soo much Ciaran!) > > I have used this system for 3 years for both my daughter and myself. > > > > You have underground water, this is underground subterranean caverns. And these earth stress lines, put out HUGELY > > powerful geopathic stress- especially when sleeping over these lines. Which is just about everyone on the planet! > > And the practice known as Fracking, has been documented to cause more earthquakes...not really a surpreise when > > you think about how frackign is done. > > > > See: > > Geopathic Stress - Land & Spirit www.landandspirit.net/html/body_geopathic_stress.html�I would suggest you place MIRRORS FACING DOWN, under your bed. > > This will reflect the geopathic stress coming up from the subterranean water.... > > AWAY from you during sleep. > > I bought those door mirrors at Target, for 6 bucks a piece, depending on how big your bed is.. > > I laid 3 down MIRROR FACING DOWN...and layered them slightly, and used duct tape to hold them > > in place. Then I taped bubble wrap at the floor, at the edge of the bed, so I wouldn't step on the edge of the mirror. > > > > Geopathic stress is the original source of ES...because it is the ORIGINAL source of radiation > > we were heavily exposed to. > > This is my working theory, the geopathic stress was here way before the cell phones were. > > This info gets ignored often, especially on this esens site. > > All I can tell you, try the mirrors and this willl be your proof! > > > > For some, it only takes a night to know this makes a big difference..... > > for others, it takes a few nights to see the results. > > And too, geopathic stress is made MUCH worse by earthquakes. > > The more earthquakes, the more geopathic stress. > > SEE: http://earthquake-report.com > > > > Radiation IS strong magnetic fields. > > And the equipment to measure geopathic stress is highly specialized, and not easily available ..... > > unless you happpen to be near Dr. Klinghardts's Seattle office, he does have this equipt > > that he rents out to his patients. (If you haven't heard of Dr. Klinghardt, google him, > > he is a well known alternative doctor, who has two offices, one here in the states, and the other > > in Europe. He says 80% of chronic diseases/conditions are caused from emfs. > > See: > > > > > > Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt - Smart Meters & EMR: The Health > > Crisis Of Our Time > > > > > > > > > > http://stopsmartmeters.org.uk/dr-dietrich-klinghardt-smart-meters-emr-the-health-crisis-of-our-time/ > > > > > > That equip to measure geopathic stress probably came from Europe (probably Vienna, Austria)...where geopathic stress is much better recognized. > > SEe also book: Earth Radiation by Kathe Bachler (amazon) > > There is PLENTY of documentation to prove how harmful geopathic stress IS. > > > > P.s. > > ONe day my dog peed on a tree, got zapped so strong, this live current picked up my 90 lb dog and tossed her > > at the back of my ankles...just about knocked me down! Up above the tree branches, I saw a telephone line! > > > > Blessings, > > Lizzie > > To: [hidden email] > > From: judyl_nev@ > > Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 00:33:23 +0000 > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Li-Fi better than wi-fi ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have just ordered my third meter. Total cost for 3 about $700. > > > > > > > > I have spent THOUSANDS trying to find out what was the matter with me, trying to fix me and buying pendants and gadgets trying to shield me. Money is always an issue. > > > > > > > > The meters are a huge help because now I'm able to measure and verify what I feel. And I CAN SHOW others what the heck I'm talking about. And I can measure others' homes or offices. I recently had an electrician over to check the electrical on the house. I could show him readings. He suffers seizures, and I'm hoping that what I taught him (!) will be helpful to HIM. > > > > > > > > But, like Marc says, there are things that bother me still, and I don't know what it is! It is maddening. My situation is complicated by other health issues. But now I've become much better at ferreting out which field is the problem.. Then you can learn how to remediate it. > > > > > > > > I have a Trifield meter :.. very helpful. I discovered that magnetic fields appear to be my greatest problem. I have overhead power lines, and the magnetic field is terrible. I'm visiting my sister's house right now, and powerlines are buried. Magnetic field reading is near zero. > > > > > > > > I might have been better off buying a quality Gaussmeter instead of the Trifield? > > > > > > > > I have a Stetzerizer... very helpful! I had readings in some rooms of 1500 to 1900!! Caused by (believe it or not) poor quality LED lightbulbs I bought, thinking I was doing the right thing... once they were removed, and I put back incandescent bulbs, the Dirty Electricity readings went to reasonable. Still need to do a little more on that. > > > > > > > > I have an acoustimeter on order. That should prove to be fun! > > > > > > > > I have a so-called Analog meter replacement for a smart meter. It is terrible. It makes me feel awful. The only thing measured so far is with a voltmeter. It puts through very irregular voltage. > > > > > > > > My property has underground water, probably odd somehing and stray voltage, I believe. Got shocked grounding one day! Came up through the grounding rod. My body measured that!! > > > > > > > > Judy > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On May 30, John Puccetti <johnpuccetti@> wrote: > > > > > > What meter would you use? My HF 35 C 800 MHZ to 2500 shows nothing? I don't > > > > > > understand what you are looking for could you tell me what meter you would use? > > > > > > > > > > Well... there are people on this list who have (apparently) invested thousands > > > > > and thousands of dollars on EMF meters (maybe even more than ten thousand?), > > > > > and yet even they say that they cannot measure everything that they want to > > > > > measure. > > > > > > > > > > I, on the other hand, have taken the approach that *I* am the meter -- if > > > > > it's bothering me, then I should do something about it. If it's not, then I > > > > > don't. That is the most relevant "meter" for me personally, but does leave > > > > > me "in the dark" about how things measure on various meters. > > > > > > > > > > And personally, I have found electronics that are totally unbearable to me > > > > > when turned on, and yet none of the meters I own (admittedly few) indicate > > > > > anything at all coming from them. So to me, a "zero" reading is meaningless. > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [hidden email] [hidden email] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [hidden email] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ |
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Travelling around i once slept in an open wooden hut in a mountainous area, and the next day felt more rejunivated than ever, it was truly amazing.
Certain places and areas seem very healthy. In my experience man-made emf is in general much more unbearable and paralyzing than geopathic stress, and i have slept at a lot of different locations. Houses are usually unpleasant, probably because of wrong fenshui, unnatural building materials and the vibes of people. Nowadays houses are envelopped in plastic, not just modern paint, even in what appears to be mineral insulation a lot of polyester and/or other sickening stuff is added, i'm now going to use hemp-wool from a producer that doesn't. The idea that both forms of fields reïnforce each other's impact is interesting and worth taking into consideration. In the end it is the sum and/or multiple of all exposure, that becomes too heavy to handle and may cause a downward spiral from where there is no escape without drastical measures. We can cope with a lot but these days things are getting tough, one could argue that especially children are abused, although that varies of course widely with exposure-levels and degrees of resistance. The confrontation with emf-terror by what is called civilization is also a matter worth pondering upon. Human animals are a rather new species that went nutz obviously, it could be regarded as the skin-cancer of this planet and to deserve what it does to its environment. Following this line of ideas, avoiding emf-stress without willing to give up the desire for a civilized life, with fridges and tv's and all that the technocrates are offering, seems absurd and improper. If mankind doesn't choose for birthcontrol and ecological co-existence, than the sooner it is wiped out itself the better, or does this not sound reasonable ? Btw this is a train of thought, not a manual of how to behave. --- In [hidden email], Elizabeth thode <lizt777@...> wrote: > > You are welcome. > And you are helping yourself in tremendous ways. > First, after being exposed to that amt of geopathic stress, it takes the body awhile to adjust > to a cleaner field. The body is going from a strong radiation source, coming from geopathic stress, > to a much diminshed radiation field.....now the body has to adjust and it takes time. MOst will notice an > immediate difference in sleep, but truly, its not much different from being exposed to strong wifi, the body > takes time to heal and go back to the body's natural homeostasis . > > Is it perfect? Is anything? But as this source of often completely missed radiation is everywhere on this planet, > this is the best way I have found to reduce the field. > > Does it work? Yes. > This mirror info isn't on the land and spirits website....what is on there is a really thorough explanation of what > geopathic stress is, and how it effects the body, and how it magnifies all other emf fields. I will add it also magnifies > dirty electricity. > I found the mirror info in two other places, decided to try this method, had friends try this and all reported an improvement. > What happpens to the room underneath? Probably yes, the field is worse there. > So if there were a bed directly underneath, I'd probably move that bed, and put mirrors under it too. > It doesn't have to be a perfect mirror, the idea is to reflect the rays of nasty geopathic stress AWAY from the body, > during sleep, which is when the body regenerates/repairs itself. > > P.S. > If a person is very sensitive to emfs, and you spend time in a strong field of wifi, or whatever, even after you leave that area, > it takes time for the body to return to balance. We've all been sleeping ON geopathic stress probably all of our lives. > I haven't found a single place that doesn't have it. > So that you were able to tell that much of a difference so soon, means you are very much able to listen to your body. > You noticed deeper sleep, less waking up, and feeling more rested. Imagine what this will feel like after a few weeks, > or months of this. This geopathic stress IS the original source of radiation we were/are all exposed to.....and this source went > completely un noticed, on the ES sites. > Its time for truth. This IS ionizing radiation. > And the subterranean caverns run all thru everywhere....they go for miles and miles and miles. > some bedrooms are worse then others, but its always "there"- these underground water lines. > Fracking has made this worse, as has all the earthquakes. > Add to this, "every" nuclear facility is built on fault lines. HOw stupid is that? > > Blessings, > Lizzie > > To: [hidden email] > From: arendgb@... > Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 21:03:44 +0000 > Subject: [eSens] Re: Li-Fi better than wi-fi ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, my questions may have been dumb and one of them was answered already, but i put mirrors under my bed, yes facing down ;). > > It gives a different energy-field, more light, but not completely natural, there is a flavour to it, not really disturbing but it ain't perfect ... > > I used perhaps not the best type of mirrors, just what was at hand. > > Falling asleep became a bit harder but the sleep is deeper, less waking up in the middle of the night, the body feels more relaxed when the time has come that it steps out of bed. > > I'll experiment with other places and different mirrors, like the old ones with a real silvercoating. > > Anyway, thanks for the idea. > > > > --- In [hidden email], "ad" <arendgb@> wrote: > > > > > > thanks for the link : > > > http://www.landandspirit.net/html/body_geopathic_stress.html > > > it's a long page and i may be a bit blind but what did it say exactly about using mirror under the bed ? > > > laying them facing down ? same surface as the bed ? what happens in a room underneath, will the geopathic stress from water currents get worse there then ? > > > and another question, has anyone any idea what kind of meters are used to measure disturbances in natural emf ? > > > perhaps an ordinary low-hertz magnetic field meter should do the trick, although i guess given the mentioned strength in nT that fluctuations in static fields are to be looked at. > > > the Genitron Felix-3 is a fictional instrument that people talk about but never have seen, also not in german universities and research institutes, according to the book Underground Rivers by Richard J. Heggen ( page 1265 ), which is highly skeptical but the question remains : what meters and where to buy ? > > > besides all this, a lot of subtle energies may not be measurable anyway, although there could be a relation between what a meter shows and what it doesn't. > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], Elizabeth thode <lizt777@> wrote: > > > > > > > > My property has underground water, probably odd somehing and stray voltage, I believe. Got shocked grounding one day! Came up through the grounding rod. My body measured that!! > > > > > > > > Yes, that is a huge problem and it goes mainly unrecognized....that is not really stray voltage, it is live current. > > > > Check out this website: www.streetzaps.com > > > > > > > > > > > > And read Dave Steizers testimony on stray voltage. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. > > > > David Stetzer � Testimony Transcript - > > > > Stetzer Electric > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > www.stetzerelectric.com/david-stetzer-testimony-transcript/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The utility co's use the "earth" to ground the power poles. > > > > Electricity will always follow the path of least resistance. > > > > > > > > I have sent you an attachment on how to use a grounding rod on your bed, without using the "earth" as so called "ground". > > > > this is a technology, easy to DO, not expensive, works very well, and was given to me by my Irish Healer Colleague, Ciaran. > > > > (thank you soo much Ciaran!) > > > > I have used this system for 3 years for both my daughter and myself. > > > > > > > > You have underground water, this is underground subterranean caverns. And these earth stress lines, put out HUGELY > > > > powerful geopathic stress- especially when sleeping over these lines. Which is just about everyone on the planet! > > > > And the practice known as Fracking, has been documented to cause more earthquakes...not really a surpreise when > > > > you think about how frackign is done. > > > > > > > > See: > > > > Geopathic Stress - Land & Spirit www.landandspirit.net/html/body_geopathic_stress.html�I would suggest you place MIRRORS FACING DOWN, under your bed. > > > > This will reflect the geopathic stress coming up from the subterranean water.... > > > > AWAY from you during sleep. > > > > I bought those door mirrors at Target, for 6 bucks a piece, depending on how big your bed is.. > > > > I laid 3 down MIRROR FACING DOWN...and layered them slightly, and used duct tape to hold them > > > > in place. Then I taped bubble wrap at the floor, at the edge of the bed, so I wouldn't step on the edge of the mirror. > > > > > > > > Geopathic stress is the original source of ES...because it is the ORIGINAL source of radiation > > > > we were heavily exposed to. > > > > This is my working theory, the geopathic stress was here way before the cell phones were. > > > > This info gets ignored often, especially on this esens site. > > > > All I can tell you, try the mirrors and this willl be your proof! > > > > > > > > For some, it only takes a night to know this makes a big difference..... > > > > for others, it takes a few nights to see the results. > > > > And too, geopathic stress is made MUCH worse by earthquakes. > > > > The more earthquakes, the more geopathic stress. > > > > SEE: http://earthquake-report.com > > > > > > > > Radiation IS strong magnetic fields. > > > > And the equipment to measure geopathic stress is highly specialized, and not easily available ..... > > > > unless you happpen to be near Dr. Klinghardts's Seattle office, he does have this equipt > > > > that he rents out to his patients. (If you haven't heard of Dr. Klinghardt, google him, > > > > he is a well known alternative doctor, who has two offices, one here in the states, and the other > > > > in Europe. He says 80% of chronic diseases/conditions are caused from emfs. > > > > See: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt - Smart Meters & EMR: The Health > > > > Crisis Of Our Time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://stopsmartmeters.org.uk/dr-dietrich-klinghardt-smart-meters-emr-the-health-crisis-of-our-time/ > > > > > > > > > > > > That equip to measure geopathic stress probably came from Europe (probably Vienna, Austria)...where geopathic stress is much better recognized. > > > > SEe also book: Earth Radiation by Kathe Bachler (amazon) > > > > There is PLENTY of documentation to prove how harmful geopathic stress IS. > > > > > > > > P.s. > > > > ONe day my dog peed on a tree, got zapped so strong, this live current picked up my 90 lb dog and tossed her > > > > at the back of my ankles...just about knocked me down! Up above the tree branches, I saw a telephone line! > > > > > > > > Blessings, > > > > Lizzie > > > > To: [hidden email] > > > > From: judyl_nev@ > > > > Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2013 00:33:23 +0000 > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Li-Fi better than wi-fi ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have just ordered my third meter. Total cost for 3 about $700. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have spent THOUSANDS trying to find out what was the matter with me, trying to fix me and buying pendants and gadgets trying to shield me. Money is always an issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The meters are a huge help because now I'm able to measure and verify what I feel. And I CAN SHOW others what the heck I'm talking about. And I can measure others' homes or offices. I recently had an electrician over to check the electrical on the house. I could show him readings. He suffers seizures, and I'm hoping that what I taught him (!) will be helpful to HIM. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But, like Marc says, there are things that bother me still, and I don't know what it is! It is maddening. My situation is complicated by other health issues. But now I've become much better at ferreting out which field is the problem.. Then you can learn how to remediate it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a Trifield meter :.. very helpful. I discovered that magnetic fields appear to be my greatest problem. I have overhead power lines, and the magnetic field is terrible. I'm visiting my sister's house right now, and powerlines are buried. Magnetic field reading is near zero. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I might have been better off buying a quality Gaussmeter instead of the Trifield? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a Stetzerizer... very helpful! I had readings in some rooms of 1500 to 1900!! Caused by (believe it or not) poor quality LED lightbulbs I bought, thinking I was doing the right thing... once they were removed, and I put back incandescent bulbs, the Dirty Electricity readings went to reasonable. Still need to do a little more on that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have an acoustimeter on order. That should prove to be fun! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a so-called Analog meter replacement for a smart meter. It is terrible. It makes me feel awful. The only thing measured so far is with a voltmeter. It puts through very irregular voltage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My property has underground water, probably odd somehing and stray voltage, I believe. Got shocked grounding one day! Came up through the grounding rod. My body measured that!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Judy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 30, John Puccetti <johnpuccetti@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > What meter would you use? My HF 35 C 800 MHZ to 2500 shows nothing? I don't > > > > > > > > > > understand what you are looking for could you tell me what meter you would use? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well... there are people on this list who have (apparently) invested thousands > > > > > > > > > and thousands of dollars on EMF meters (maybe even more than ten thousand?), > > > > > > > > > and yet even they say that they cannot measure everything that they want to > > > > > > > > > measure. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I, on the other hand, have taken the approach that *I* am the meter -- if > > > > > > > > > it's bothering me, then I should do something about it. If it's not, then I > > > > > > > > > don't. That is the most relevant "meter" for me personally, but does leave > > > > > > > > > me "in the dark" about how things measure on various meters. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And personally, I have found electronics that are totally unbearable to me > > > > > > > > > when turned on, and yet none of the meters I own (admittedly few) indicate > > > > > > > > > anything at all coming from them. So to me, a "zero" reading is meaningless. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |
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