LIfe of a high frequency electric charge

Hello,

I want to know what the end life of a high frequency electric charge
is, or how to find that answer out. If a city places pulsed radiation
city wide (Wi-fi)where does the radiation which is emitted every several
minutes go? Does it disappear entirely or dissapate and reradiate? If
it never actually dies does that mean an area will incur build up of
that radiation and if so is that similar to nuclear radiation?

Thanks, Sandi
(220 signatures and counting)

WHat I think the problem is, is that it doesn't dissapate per say but
is absorbed. Free radicals or ions seek to create a bond. In creating
electrical energy, bonds are broken therefore a disparity in electrical
charge is created and that ensuing magnetic field is what powers things.

I am very fuzzy on this and hopefully someone else on here will clear
it up for you (and me) but I am pretty sure that it's the nature of
electromagnetic fields to be reactive. They don't sit around or
disappear. They react with biological systems othet conductive
material. They will pass through or be absorbed by things.

this site explains free radicals better:
http://www.healthchecksystems.com/antioxid.htm

How Free Radicals are Formed
Normally, bonds don't split in a way that leaves a molecule with an
odd, unpaired electron. But when weak bonds split, free radicals are
formed. Free radicals are very unstable and react quickly with other
compounds, trying to capture the needed electron to gain stability.
Generally, free radicals attack the nearest stable molecule, "stealing"
its electron. When the "attacked" molecule loses its electron, it
becomes a free radical itself, beginning a chain reaction. Once the
process is started, it can cascade, finally resulting in the disruption
of a living cell.


--- In [hidden email], "sandimaurer" <jspirit@...> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I want to know what the end life of a high frequency electric charge
> is, or how to find that answer out. If a city places pulsed radiation
> city wide (Wi-fi)where does the radiation which is emitted every
several
> minutes go? Does it disappear entirely or dissapate and reradiate? If
> it never actually dies does that mean an area will incur build up of
> that radiation and if so is that similar to nuclear radiation?
>
> Thanks, Sandi
> (220 signatures and counting)
>

On Jan 23, 2008 8:42 AM, tanya <[hidden email]> wrote:


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I agree that EMFs can in some cases create free radicals or extend
their lifetimes. This is a good reason to take anti-oxidants.
I'm not sure whether this is a big factor in explaining the effects
of weak fields on human or other living things...

Bill

On Jan 23, 2008 10:57 AM, Bill Bruno <[hidden email]> wrote:


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So, here's the question of the day:

How come we can feel fields beyond the range that is registered on
the meters? I guess that's still a mystery.
I am having trouble explaining that people are affected by extranious
fields.

Also, the aforementioned question regarding what happens to all this
energy is interesting. Even if it's non-ionizing, doesn't it still
seek to balance the charge? I am no scientist. Physics is hard for
mere mortals.

Tanya

--- In [hidden email], "Bill Bruno" <wbruno@...> wrote: say but
> > > is absorbed. Free radicals or ions seek to create a bond. In
creating
> > > electrical energy, bonds are broken therefore a disparity in
electrical
> > > charge is created and that ensuing magnetic field is what
powers things.
> > >
> > > I am very fuzzy on this and hopefully someone else on here will
clear
> > > it up for you (and me) but I am pretty sure that it's the
nature of
> > > electromagnetic fields to be reactive. They don't sit around or
> > > disappear. They react with biological systems othet conductive
> > > material. They will pass through or be absorbed by things.
> > >
> > > this site explains free radicals better:
> > > http://www.healthchecksystems.com/antioxid.htm
> > >
> > > How Free Radicals are Formed
> > > Normally, bonds don't split in a way that leaves a molecule
with an
> > > odd, unpaired electron. But when weak bonds split, free
radicals are
> > > formed. Free radicals are very unstable and react quickly with
other
> > > compounds, trying to capture the needed electron to gain
stability.
> > > Generally, free radicals attack the nearest stable
molecule, "stealing"
> > > its electron. When the "attacked" molecule loses its electron,
it
> > > becomes a free radical itself, beginning a chain reaction. Once
the
> > > process is started, it can cascade, finally resulting in the
disruption
> > > of a living cell.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In [hidden email] <eSens%
40yahoogroups.com>, "sandimaurer"
> > > <jspirit@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hello,
> > > >
> > > > I want to know what the end life of a high frequency electric
charge
> > > > is, or how to find that answer out. If a city places pulsed
radiation
> > > > city wide (Wi-fi)where does the radiation which is emitted
every
> > > several
> > > > minutes go? Does it disappear entirely or dissapate and
reradiate? If
> > > > it never actually dies does that mean an area will incur
build up of

> How come we can feel fields beyond the range that is registered on
> the meters? I guess that's still a mystery.

Not at all -- most meters were never designed to read the wide
range of frequencies that we are exposed to. I have a meter
which registers "0" next to my LCD monitor, which is utterly
absurd -- that monitor is emitting all sorts of frequencies
(as can be easily heard from the static interference it makes
on a portable AM radio)

Marc

Hmm... That makes sense. That is the only explanation that makes sense.
Have you checked out the new generation of computers though? No magnetic drive. Hopefully it will help:
http://www.apple.com/ca/macbookair/software.html


To: [hidden email]: [hidden email]: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 11:52:18 -0800Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: LIfe of a high frequency electric charge




> How come we can feel fields beyond the range that is registered on > the meters? I guess that's still a mystery.Not at all -- most meters were never designed to read the widerange of frequencies that we are exposed to. I have a meterwhich registers "0" next to my LCD monitor, which is utterlyabsurd -- that monitor is emitting all sorts of frequencies(as can be easily heard from the static interference it makeson a portable AM radio)Marc






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> Hmm... That makes sense. That is the only explanation that makes sense.
> Have you checked out the new generation of computers though? No magnetic
> drive. Hopefully it will help:
> http://www.apple.com/ca/macbookair/software.html

For me, it is the computer monitor which causes all (or almost all)
of my problems with computers. I'm hoping that some new technology
such as LED backlighting or OLED displays will help out, but in
the meantime I just keep my distance and use large fonts/large
pixels.

Marc

Wow!
It's coming together what a huge and debilitating more severe cases of ES are like to cope with (I just take asprin for the headaches, handfuls of Nytol to sleep and live with the skin condition) . You know, you got me thinking. I'm trying to develop housewares which are suitable for those electrosensitive but nice enough that others will use them.

It would be a huge benefit to my project if I could aquire photos of some of the DIY solutions the group has come up with (on the side: it would make a great awareness-raising book). I hope to create items that are genuinely useful, yet not too time consuming, costly and bothersome to implement (i.e. painting your walls with black carbon paint). I know it might seem intrusive and almost predatory to ask anyone in the group to participate. DO you think anyone would be up to it? I promise free working prototypes to anyone who can help.

Let me know what you think,

Tanya



To: [hidden email]: [hidden email]: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 12:01:02 -0800Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: LIfe of a high frequency electric charge




> Hmm... That makes sense. That is the only explanation that makes sense. > Have you checked out the new generation of computers though? No magnetic> drive. Hopefully it will help:> http://www.apple.com/ca/macbookair/software.htmlFor me, it is the computer monitor which causes all (or almost all)of my problems with computers. I'm hoping that some new technologysuch as LED backlighting or OLED displays will help out, but inthe meantime I just keep my distance and use large fonts/largepixels.Marc






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http://www8.nationalacademies.org/onpinews/newsitem.aspx?RecordID=12036


from EMC news:

National Research Council Report, requested by the U.S. Food and Drug
Administration (FDA), has identified research needs and gaps that require
further work to clarify the effects of exposure to the radiofrequency (RF)
energy emitted by wireless telecommunication devices. Doubtless, regular
readers of the eNews are familiar with the spate of reports and studies that
range from blithe reassurance to predictions of dire, or even deadly,
outcomes. In the report, research needs are defined that, in the near term,
could increase understanding of any potential adverse effects of RF energy
on humans. Areas that were deemed in need of further clarification is the
effect of such energy in vulnerable sections of the population such as small
children, pregnant women, and their fetuses. Further challenges include
assessing the impact of the lifetime exposure that children born into the
new wireless world face and the changing impact of evolving wireless
technology-especially differing antenna designs that deliver varying amounts
of RF energy to different parts of the human body.

Best Regards,

Emil DeToffol
Less EMF Inc.
tel: +1-518-432-1550
fax: +1-309-422-4355
www.lessemf.com

 
In einer eMail vom 23.01.2008 20:46:53 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt  
[hidden email]:

So, here's the question of the day:

How come we can feel fields beyond the range that is registered on
the meters? I guess that's still a mystery.
I am having trouble explaining that people are affected by extranious
fields.

Also, the aforementioned question regarding what happens to all this
energy is interesting. Even if it's non-ionizing, doesn't it still
seek to balance the charge? I am no scientist. Physics is hard for
mere mortals.




Hallo,
 
there is a simple explanation, why fields that are not registered on the  
meters can be felt by biological organisms. What in EMF is biological effective  
are not the transversal waves that you can measure. Biological effective are
the longitudinal waves or scalar waves or Tesla waves and only these. They
usually accompany the measurabel waves so that one may think, the cause of  
negative health effects of EMF are the measurable waves. A simple experiment can  
demonstrate this. If you fix a electrosmog neutralizing device to your mobile
phone, you will measure the same intensitiy on your meter, but the
biological negative effect will disappear, which you may feel or test in kinesiology
or electroacupuncture. This shows that the biological negative waves are not  
registered by your meter. They must be some different thing.
 
A second experiment will show you another side of these waves, that cause  
the biological harm. Just irradiate a glass of nomal tap water with you mobile  
while phoning for 30 seconds and only once and take another glass, that youd
ont irradiate; then take 2 x100 wheat grains, water one with the irradiated
water and the other with the normal water. Let them grow up to perhaps 2
inches. The ones with the irradiated water will grow less. Now what does tell this  
experiment. It is not the actual physical radiation that is harmful in this  
case, but the information stored in the water.
 
Nikola Tesla discovered these strange waves more than 100 years ago, but  
they have been ignored by conventional science until today. Knowing their  
properties one could develop technologies to make them harmless or use themeven  
for healing. These widely misunderstood devices to neutralize electrosmog use  
these properties.
 
Dietrich Gruen, Germany



   


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Dietrich,

That is very interesting. A few brief questions:

a) how do I radiate the water? Do I just point the phone at it while
it is on? Would something else work better, even? I have a
tesla/plasma lamp. I could put the water near that or if I put
tinfoil hat on the top of the lamp, I know a current will come out. I
could put the glass on there.(?)

b) What happens to the water? When things are radiated don't they
revert to a stable state relatively quickly? Why is it affected fro
so long? Is the water charged?

c) How long do you think the wheat will take to grow? Just in a glass
of water? A full glass, a half a glass or just some in the bottom?


Thanks! I am excited to try it tomorrow.
Not that I don't believe you.

tanya

--- In [hidden email], Gruendg@... wrote:
>
>  
> In einer eMail vom 23.01.2008 20:46:53 Westeuropäische Normalzeit
schreibt  
> end-user@...:
>
> So, here's the question of the day:
>
> How come we can feel fields beyond the range that is registered on
> the meters? I guess that's still a mystery.
> I am having trouble explaining that people are affected by  
extranious
> fields.
>
> Also, the aforementioned question regarding what happens to all
this on the  
> meters can be felt by biological organisms. What in EMF is
biological effective  
> are not the transversal waves that you can measure. Biological
effective are
> the longitudinal waves or scalar waves or Tesla waves and only
these. They
> usually accompany the measurabel waves so that one may think, the
cause of  
> negative health effects of EMF are the measurable waves. A simple
experiment can  
> demonstrate this. If you fix a electrosmog neutralizing device to
your mobile
> phone, you will measure the same intensitiy on your meter, but the
> biological negative effect will disappear, which you may feel or
test in kinesiology
> or electroacupuncture. This shows that the biological negative
waves are not  
> registered by your meter. They must be some different thing.
>  
> A second experiment will show you another side of these waves, that
cause  
> the biological harm. Just irradiate a glass of nomal tap water with
you mobile  
> while phoning for 30 seconds and only once and take another glass,
that you d
> ont irradiate; then take 2 x100 wheat grains, water one with the
irradiated
> water and the other with the normal water. Let them grow up to
perhaps 2
> inches. The ones with the irradiated water will grow less. Now
what does tell this  
> experiment. It is not the actual physical radiation that is harmful
in this  
> case, but the information stored in the water.
>  
> Nikola Tesla discovered these strange waves more than 100 years
ago, but  
> they have been ignored by conventional science until today. Knowing
their  
> properties one could develop technologies to make them harmless or
use them even  
> for healing. These widely misunderstood devices to neutralize
electrosmog use