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I am sure I am raising a topic which I am sure has been done to death on the forum in times past - so apologies at the outset for this - it is just I wouldn't know where to go for the previous posts on that in a hurry and I am in urgent need of good advice. I have realised - after a relative pointed out the pattern to me - that aside from the ES I am also suffering from SAD - pretty badly at the moment to the point where daily life has ground to a total halt - I was just passing the lack or energy and the isolation etc as just ES - but I now realise that it is more than ES because I am not nearly as bad as this in the summer months. So I need to do something about this and fast - it seems like a light box is the way to go and was wondering are there any forum members who have suffered from SAD who have tried a light box? I am asking because I know that there is bound to be an ES interaction with using a light box - as in if the product isn't a good one for an ES sufferer it could make things worse - so i was wondering does anyone know if there is a make of light box an Esser could use - I'm in the UK so ideally a model I could order and use here would also be best]?? Any advice or suggestions would be much appreciated - if people don't want to post directly on this feel free to email me Thanks Steph |
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Don't light boxes use florescent lights? I'd think that alone would be bad for many people here. Don't know if there are incandescent/halogen/LED alternatives that might be okay (my wife used to suffer from this, but we solved it by moving to a house with more windows)
Marc On November 7, "Steph Smith [via ES]" <[hidden email]> wrote: > I have realised - after a relative pointed out the pattern to me - that > aside from the ES I am also suffering from SAD - |
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hi, steph.
i had a light box. it was too harsh for me. it hurt my eyes. but i liked full-spectrum bulbs and i kept my place well-lit with them all winter long. i think people who suffer from EMS are apt to be also needing lots of attention in lots of areas of life. diet, light, air, water, sleep. would be interesting to compare all our experiences throughout life - vaccines, exposure to heavy metals, dietary habits, etc - and find the links. i am doing better these days. one thing i've been doing for a few times is ionic footbaths... i know how to make one for pennies. if anyone is interested, let me know and i will post my system. love, patricia On Nov 7, 2013, at 12:26 PM, Steph Smith [via ES] wrote: Hi all |
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On November 7, "Patricia [via ES]" <[hidden email]> wrote:
> hi, steph. > i had a light box. it was too harsh for me. it hurt my eyes. > but i liked full-spectrum bulbs and i kept my place well-lit > with them all winter long. Yes, the incandescent bulbs that are coated with Neodynium (Chromalux, Verilux, etc.) are also supposed to good for SAD, and you could just put them into your existing fixtures. Marc |
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Hi Marc and Patricia
Thank you for your posts on this I think there are lightboxes with LEDs - i think I saw a reference to that on the website of a UK mental health charity which had a page on SAD - so Marc if I could get a box with LEDS would that be better for an Esser than any other type of box? I like the suggestion about the full spectrum lighting - in theory it is a good idea but I have big problems with the lighting circuits in my house so I tend to keep them switched off all the time and instead rely on natural light [of which there is increasingly little at this time of year] and in the evenings I use table lamps and a torch so I wouldn't get much opportunity to use the full spectrum lights. 2 of the rooms in my house are lit with those little bulbs in the ceiling which each have a transformer hidden in the ceiling and they are very severe on me - unfortunately there are only 2 lighting circuits and there is one of those sets on each circuit and so I have to keep both circuits turned off for the majority of the time - total nuisance but there is a noticeable difference if I inadvertently forget to turn them off Patricia I love the suggestion about the ionic footbaths - I would be very interested in that and if you can send me your protocol that would be fantastic - you can post it on the forum or you can email it to me whichever suits would be great Many thanks Steph x |
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On November 8, "Steph Smith [via ES]" <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I think there are lightboxes with LEDs - i think I saw a reference to that > on the website of a UK mental health charity which had a page on SAD - so > Marc if I could get a box with LEDS would that be better for an Esser than > any other type of box? Hard to say... some people react to LEDs -- some even react to LEDs more than they react to florescent lights! Also, LEDs can have a very "blue" tint which can make them hard on the eyes (a different problem than ES). Although if the light box makes use of blue, green, and red LEDs together so it is providing a real "full spectrum" light, then it might be okay. Marc |
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On November 8, "Steph Smith [via ES]" <[hidden email]> wrote:
> in the evenings I use table lamps and a torch so I wouldn't get much > opportunity to use the full spectrum lights. You could try using a Neodynium-coated incandescent light in your table lamp (if it uses incandescent bulbs). This might be better for your SAD than a regular incandescent light. Marc |
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On November 8, "Steph Smith [via ES]" <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Patricia I love the suggestion about the ionic footbaths - I would be very > interested in that and if you can send me your protocol that would be > fantastic - you can post it on the forum or you can email it to me whichever > suits would be great Just be careful with those ionic footbaths -- I do agree that they have the potential to help, but they also have the potential to make things worse. In my case, the last ionic footbath I tried definitely made things worse. :-( Marc |
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i don't know what kind of ionic footbath you used, marc.
i see there are many different kinds. this one is very gentle, but it seems to work. my legs appear to be healing old shin wounds even in the two weeks that i have been using the foot baths - four total, 2x/week. i think gentle is better, as long as it actually accomplishes something. this is what i used, as i have made colloidal silver with a similar setup and i figured it would also work for the foot bath. sorry if the instructions are not technically worded, but ? : INGREDIENTS... 2 9-volt batteries 2 sets of alligator clips (i got mine at radio shack) 2 pieces of stainless steel (some people use tableware) i found lovely thin stainless steel strips at a hardware store for $1.50 each... approx 3/4" wide a water bucket that is big enough for your feet + 6" - like a plastic dish pan or food storage container - but don't use it for food after you've used it for your feet unless you clean it VERY well pleasantly hot water + more very hot water in a pitcher, to add to the water in the bucket as it cools if you live in a soft water area, you will need salt - if you live in an extremely hard water area, you might not need much salt, if any. some use distilled water + celtic salt. hard water already has LOTS of minerals. people use anywhere from 1/4 to 1 teaspoon salt it's nice to have a warm foot bath waiting to clean your feet afterward, and a towel you don't mind getting stained from the minerals --- INSTRUCTIONS... bend the stainless steel strips so that they hook over the top of the water tub. one is bent at 90 degrees to the side of the tub, so it lays on the bottom and the other, i bent to 45 degrees so that when they are on opposite sides of the water bucket, they do not touch. i position them at the far end of the water container. hook one end of each alligator clip to a strip of steel, on the outside of the water bucket. assemble the batteries together - smaller round thing on top of one battery fits into the larger round thing on top of the other battery. now you have 18 volts total... maybe i should have said, connect negative pole of one battery to the positive pole of the other battery. then clip the remaining end of each alligator clip set to the remaining round thing on each battery. put your feet in the water - do not touch the steel. it's ok to wiggle your toes... just don't let them touch the metal strips. enjoy for .5 - .75 hours. remove feet from water. detach alligator clip from one piece of steel or detach batteries from one another... clean feet. discard foot bath water in a rocky place outdoors... not in your garden. clean water container well. that's how i've been doing it and it feels like a it is doing a good job. like i said, i had some very intense injuries to my shins last year and the scars appear to be healing over so they are no longer noticeable. love, patricia On Nov 8, 2013, at 11:53 AM, Marc Martin [via ES] wrote: On November 8, "Steph Smith [via ES]" <<a href="x-msg://63/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4026830&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow" link="external">[hidden email]> wrote: |
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On November 8, "Patricia [via ES]" <[hidden email]> wrote:
> i don't know what kind of ionic footbath you used, marc. > i see there are many different kinds. The one that did me so much damage was one of the expensive ones, where you typically go to someone else who has one, since it's too expensive to buy yourself. It was called "Bionic Hydrotherapy": http://www.bionichydrotherapy.com/ But at the time, I thought that it might have been beneficial if I had 100% control over the length & frequency of treatments. Which of course you don't have if you are scheduling visits with a practitioner. Marc |
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yes, that's why i thought simple might be better.
i saw some that boasted of BIG currents and i thought... hmm.... not good. :) my roommates thought i was crazy to put my feet in something that had ANY current in it. :) but i swear my scars have lessened. neat!!! love, patricia On Nov 9, 2013, at 11:12 AM, Marc Martin [via ES] wrote: On November 8, "Patricia [via ES]" <<a href="x-msg://37/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4026835&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow" link="external">[hidden email]> wrote: |
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i tested a light box, but had the impression it's really bad for my eyes (worsened my night vision? not sure)
and yes for me LEDs probably bother me more than fluorescent-lights i have an LED grow light, can't stand to be close to it 2 years ago when checking out laptops, i looked for a (second hand) non-LED-laptop, as i think the LED backlight affects me |
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Perhaps you could try a 250 Watt High Intensity Discharge (HID) lamp--at a distance. It should have an AC power supply.
\/\\//\\//\\//\\//\\// Hud _________________________________________________________ nam tua res agitur, paries cum proximus ardet You too are in danger when your neighbor's house is on fire (Horace)
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yes earlier i had HID (HPS) grow lights, had problems with the dirty electricity of the transfo's, when i switched to digital transfo's the problem was gone
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Can you give a web link to this product, or is it 2
things? Like from Home Depot or amazon?
I see here you can get different "enhanced colors", http://www.greners.com/i/grow-lights/hid-bulbs/wattage/400-watts.html?ModPagespeed=noscript and also UVA and UVB and for all the bad rap UV light has been given, it is essential for human health - in the eyes, where it hits the retina and activates the attached glands. Wearing sunglasses all the time when outside is one of the worst things a person can do for their health. And the beneficial UV does not even go through window glass. There was a study long ago, just sitting outside for 1 hour a day, with no glasses, not even prescription lenses - reversed cancer in about a dozen people, except for the lady who misunderstood and didn't take off her RX glasses. Then, of course, requests for further funding were denied. Can't have a TOTALLY FREE cancer cure, no way. I was trapped inside, behind my aluminum insulation shielding all summer in the windowless basement because of our asshole neighbors and I couldn't spend much time in the yard - I seriously need some light therapy. http://www.greners.com/i/grow-lights/hid-bulbs/wattage/400-watts.html?ModPagespeed=noscript > On 11/9/2013 5:24:15 PM, stephen_vandevijvere [via ES] ([hidden email]) wrote: > > yes earlier i had HID (HPS) grow lights, had problems with the dirty > electricity of the transfo's, when i switched to digital transfo's the > problem was gone > > > > _______________________________________________ > If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: > http://es-forum.com/LIGHT-BOX-tp4026817p4026839.html > To start a new topic under ES, email [hidden email] > To unsubscribe from ES, visit http://es-forum.com/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro
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these brands mentioned by marc, i have used and trust...
i used to use two verilux floor lamps - one on either side of my desk. the bulbs were small fluorescents but they were far enough away and the light was not flickery... the light box i had ("happy lite", i think it was called), was also verilux, but it was way 'overkill' and i used it RARELY and didn't like the intensity of it, ever. perhaps you need to have a very large room. ??? but those two brands are excellent and can be found at most hardware stores. their value far exceeds the cost. love, patricia Begin forwarded message: > Yes, the incandescent bulbs that are coated with Neodynium (Chromalux, > Verilux, etc.) are also supposed to good for SAD, and you could just put > them into your existing fixtures. |
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Karen, HID (HPS or MH) grow lights have 3 parts: the light bulb, the frame/reflector and the transfo/ballast
yes on the greners-links you can see the light bulbs for HID lights with me, the dirty el. of the analogue transfo "polluted" the entire el. grid in the house, for some reason i didn't have the problem when i switched to digital transfo's/ballasts here are a few more examples http://www.littlegreenhouse.com/accessory/lights3.shtml (to be clear, these lights are only for growing plants, they are way too powerful for our eyesight) |
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Really? I would expect the reverse: the digital/electronic balast would create 'dirty electricity' but not the one with the analog transformer. Or I suppose it depends on the kind of power supply you have.One also has to be aware that the bulbs contain mercury and other poisons.
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http://www.needs.com/product/Verilux_HappyLight_6000/eelt_Light_Therapy
The happy Light for $89 from needs.com. \/\\//\\//\\//\\//\\// Hud _________________________________________________________ nam tua res agitur, paries cum proximus ardet You too are in danger when your neighbor's house is on fire (Horace)
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With no harmful UV - well that is just not right. That
is bulloney to keep us sick. We need UV light. Humans, until recent
years ran around the planet sometimes with full/near full skin exposure
to the sun and certainly with no sunglasses on. The pineal needs
full-spectrum light.
Cancer and almost all disease is malnutrition, malillumination, mal this and mal that. We used to get more anti-oxidants that protected us from the now "harmful" sun rays. The scientist that first (or one of the first) made the light had two bulbs. One was for the MOST important part of the spectrum -- UV. That was Dr. John Ott. Because of all the UV lies, I don't even think you can a proper light now. > On 11/11/2013 12:19:55 AM, Hud J O Ramelan [via ES] ([hidden email]) wrote: > > http://www.needs.com/product/Verilux_HappyLight_6000/eelt_Light_Therapy > The happy Light for $89 from needs.com. > > >
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