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> From: Bill Bruno <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Torroids, power strips, etc.
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Tuesday, March 30, 2010, 8:31 AM
> The new ones, at least the ones they
> started making around 2001,
> don't have toroidal chokes.  At that time they also
> stopped listing
> the (-50dB) etc performance specs on the front (because it
> would not meet them).  And, the switches were not
> properly
> fastened and could short out.
> Bill
>
> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 8:49 AM, Steve G <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > You can get a new one on amazon with free shipping for
> around the same
> > price. I was thinking of connecting my fridge to one
> of these. I would use
> > the Furman for TV and computer
> >
> > --- On Tue, 3/30/10, Bill Bruno <[hidden email]
> <wbruno%40gmail.com>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > From: Bill Bruno <[hidden email]
> <wbruno%40gmail.com>>
> >
> > > Subject: Re: [eSens] Torroids, power strips,
> etc.
> > > To: [hidden email]
> <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Date: Tuesday, March 30, 2010, 7:33 AM
> >
> > > That is a toroidal core in the Furman
> > > picture, but
> > > there should be two of them, so  it's
> probably a
> > > common mode
> > > choke (too hard to see if it has 4 connections).
> > > And what are all these other components?
> > > The isobars are just chokes and capacitors and
> one
> > > over-voltage protector.
> > >
> > > This looks like the right kind on ebay:
> > >
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/Tripp-Lite-Isobar-Ultra-4-Diagnostic-Surge-Suppressor_W0QQitemZ350332712836QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item519174f784
> > >
> > > So far the price is pretty good on that
> item.  Also
> > > note the
> > > color is a bit yellowish... the newer ones are
> more grey.
> > > If you get one and the switch feels like it can
> slide
> > > around,
> > > it's probably the newer kind with a big
> non-toroidal choke
> > > that can touch the switch if the switch moves too
> much
> > > (can short out and trip your breaker).
> > >
> > > Don't expect miracles but if you need to plug in
> a dirty
> > > power
> > > generator and are going to be somewhere else in
> the house,
> > > this kind of thing is worth a try.
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 7:51 AM, Marc Martin
> <[hidden email]<marc%40ufoseries.com>
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Do you get a reaction to the
> brickwall?
> > > >
> > > > No, it's just when comparing the Brickwall
> and
> > > > the Furman, I thought the Faurman seemed a
> bit better
> > > for
> > > > me symptoms wise. But the difference was so
> small
> > > that
> > > > I could have been imagining any
> differences... :-)
> > > >
> > > > Marc
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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> >
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>
> so basically the new ones stink? :)
>
>
> --- On Tue, 3/30/10, Bill Bruno <[hidden email] <wbruno%40gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> > From: Bill Bruno <[hidden email] <wbruno%40gmail.com>>
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Torroids, power strips, etc.
> > To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: Tuesday, March 30, 2010, 8:31 AM
>
> > The new ones, at least the ones they
> > started making around 2001,
> > don't have toroidal chokes. At that time they also
> > stopped listing
> > the (-50dB) etc performance specs on the front (because it
> > would not meet them). And, the switches were not
> > properly
> > fastened and could short out.
> > Bill
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 8:49 AM, Steve G <[hidden email]<torch369%40yahoo.com>
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > You can get a new one on amazon with free shipping for
> > around the same
> > > price. I was thinking of connecting my fridge to one
> > of these. I would use
> > > the Furman for TV and computer
> > >
> > > --- On Tue, 3/30/10, Bill Bruno <[hidden email] <wbruno%40gmail.com>
> > <wbruno%40gmail.com>>
>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > From: Bill Bruno <[hidden email] <wbruno%40gmail.com>
> > <wbruno%40gmail.com>>
>
> > >
> > > > Subject: Re: [eSens] Torroids, power strips,
> > etc.
> > > > To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
>
> > > > Date: Tuesday, March 30, 2010, 7:33 AM
> > >
> > > > That is a toroidal core in the Furman
> > > > picture, but
> > > > there should be two of them, so it's
> > probably a
> > > > common mode
> > > > choke (too hard to see if it has 4 connections).
> > > > And what are all these other components?
> > > > The isobars are just chokes and capacitors and
> > one
> > > > over-voltage protector.
> > > >
> > > > This looks like the right kind on ebay:
> > > >
> > >
> http://cgi.ebay.com/Tripp-Lite-Isobar-Ultra-4-Diagnostic-Surge-Suppressor_W0QQitemZ350332712836QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item519174f784
> > > >
> > > > So far the price is pretty good on that
> > item. Also
> > > > note the
> > > > color is a bit yellowish... the newer ones are
> > more grey.
> > > > If you get one and the switch feels like it can
> > slide
> > > > around,
> > > > it's probably the newer kind with a big
> > non-toroidal choke
> > > > that can touch the switch if the switch moves too
> > much
> > > > (can short out and trip your breaker).
> > > >
> > > > Don't expect miracles but if you need to plug in
> > a dirty
> > > > power
> > > > generator and are going to be somewhere else in
> > the house,
> > > > this kind of thing is worth a try.
> > > >
> > > > Bill
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 7:51 AM, Marc Martin
> > <[hidden email] <marc%40ufoseries.com><marc%40ufoseries.com>
>
> > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Do you get a reaction to the
> > brickwall?
> > > > >
> > > > > No, it's just when comparing the Brickwall
> > and
> > > > > the Furman, I thought the Faurman seemed a
> > bit better
> > > > for
> > > > > me symptoms wise. But the difference was so
> > small
> > > > that
> > > > > I could have been imagining any
> > differences... :-)
> > > > >
> > > > > Marc
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> > removed]
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > >
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> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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> >
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> From: Bill Bruno <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Torroids, power strips, etc.
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Tuesday, March 30, 2010, 11:53 AM
> Yes, the new Isobars are not
> recommended, but that was as of
> about 2002, I have no information more current than that.
>
> I have not tried the Furman stuff, but they seem to be
> sold
> as "power conditioners" which may imply active
> electronics,
> which explains the complexity of the board in the photo.
> An active power conditioner may attempt to maintain a
> specific AC voltage.  That's nice for audiophiles (if
> they can
> hear the difference), but the extra electronics is a
> potential
> problem for us.
>
> Bill
>
> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Steve G <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > so basically the new ones stink? :)
> >
> >
> > --- On Tue, 3/30/10, Bill Bruno <[hidden email]
> <wbruno%40gmail.com>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > From: Bill Bruno <[hidden email]
> <wbruno%40gmail.com>>
> > > Subject: Re: [eSens] Torroids, power strips,
> etc.
> > > To: [hidden email]
> <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Date: Tuesday, March 30, 2010, 8:31 AM
> >
> > > The new ones, at least the ones they
> > > started making around 2001,
> > > don't have toroidal chokes.  At that time
> they also
> > > stopped listing
> > > the (-50dB) etc performance specs on the front
> (because it
> > > would not meet them).  And, the switches
> were not
> > > properly
> > > fastened and could short out.
> > > Bill
> > >
> > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 8:49 AM, Steve G <[hidden email]<torch369%40yahoo.com>
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You can get a new one on amazon with free
> shipping for
> > > around the same
> > > > price. I was thinking of connecting my
> fridge to one
> > > of these. I would use
> > > > the Furman for TV and computer
> > > >
> > > > --- On Tue, 3/30/10, Bill Bruno <[hidden email]
> <wbruno%40gmail.com>
> > > <wbruno%40gmail.com>>
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > From: Bill Bruno <[hidden email]
> <wbruno%40gmail.com>
> > > <wbruno%40gmail.com>>
> >
> > > >
> > > > > Subject: Re: [eSens] Torroids, power
> strips,
> > > etc.
> > > > > To: [hidden email]
> <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> >
> > > > > Date: Tuesday, March 30, 2010, 7:33 AM
> > > >
> > > > > That is a toroidal core in the Furman
> > > > > picture, but
> > > > > there should be two of them, so 
> it's
> > > probably a
> > > > > common mode
> > > > > choke (too hard to see if it has 4
> connections).
> > > > > And what are all these other
> components?
> > > > > The isobars are just chokes and
> capacitors and
> > > one
> > > > > over-voltage protector.
> > > > >
> > > > > This looks like the right kind on
> ebay:
> > > > >
> > > >
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/Tripp-Lite-Isobar-Ultra-4-Diagnostic-Surge-Suppressor_W0QQitemZ350332712836QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item519174f784
> > > > >
> > > > > So far the price is pretty good on
> that
> > > item.  Also
> > > > > note the
> > > > > color is a bit yellowish... the newer
> ones are
> > > more grey.
> > > > > If you get one and the switch feels
> like it can
> > > slide
> > > > > around,
> > > > > it's probably the newer kind with a
> big
> > > non-toroidal choke
> > > > > that can touch the switch if the switch
> moves too
> > > much
> > > > > (can short out and trip your breaker).
> > > > >
> > > > > Don't expect miracles but if you need
> to plug in
> > > a dirty
> > > > > power
> > > > > generator and are going to be somewhere
> else in
> > > the house,
> > > > > this kind of thing is worth a try.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bill
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 7:51 AM, Marc
> Martin
> > > <[hidden email]
> <marc%40ufoseries.com><marc%40ufoseries.com>
> >
> > > > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Do you get a reaction to the
> > > brickwall?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No, it's just when comparing the
> Brickwall
> > > and
> > > > > > the Furman, I thought the Faurman
> seemed a
> > > bit better
> > > > > for
> > > > > > me symptoms wise. But the
> difference was so
> > > small
> > > > > that
> > > > > > I could have been imagining any
> > > differences... :-)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Marc
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have
> been
> > > removed]
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ------------------------------------
> > > > >
> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > <eSens-fullfeatured%40yahoogroups.com>
> >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >     [hidden email]<eSens-fullfeatured%40yahoogroups.com>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > 
> >
>
>
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> From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Torroids, power strips, etc.
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Tuesday, March 30, 2010, 2:33 PM
> > That would probably mean my
> BatteryBackUPS with AVR may be a problem. I
> > bought it to keep the electricity at a constant rate.
> It protects
> > electronics against not only spikes but low voltage
> issues also.
>
> Like I've said, I have not noticed the Furman to be a
> problem, meanwhile,
> I *have* noticed the Stetzer filters and other products to
> be a problem.
>
> Note that I have also found the "Noise Harvesters" from PS
> Audio to
> be perfectly tolerable.  However, I also haven't
> noticed any
> benefits from these either... :-/
>
> Marc
>
>
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>
>
> The Furman's also have a very good rep. Those are the ones I'd go for,
> especially since they didn't bother you and you have alot of experience in
> this area.
> I do like my BackUPS so that will be the last thing I replace, its been
> very reliable and provides smooth power but it definitely sets off my
> cellsensor. I moved it far away enough from where I sit at the computer that
> I don't get a reading at all at my chair.
>
> --- On Tue, 3/30/10, Marc Martin <[hidden email]<marc%40ufoseries.com>>
> wrote:
>
> > From: Marc Martin <[hidden email] <marc%40ufoseries.com>>
>
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Torroids, power strips, etc.
> > To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: Tuesday, March 30, 2010, 2:33 PM
>
> > > That would probably mean my
> > BatteryBackUPS with AVR may be a problem. I
> > > bought it to keep the electricity at a constant rate.
> > It protects
> > > electronics against not only spikes but low voltage
> > issues also.
> >
> > Like I've said, I have not noticed the Furman to be a
> > problem, meanwhile,
> > I *have* noticed the Stetzer filters and other products to
> > be a problem.
> >
> > Note that I have also found the "Noise Harvesters" from PS
> > Audio to
> > be perfectly tolerable. However, I also haven't
> > noticed any
> > benefits from these either... :-/
> >
> > Marc
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> > [hidden email]<eSens-fullfeatured%40yahoogroups.com>
> >
> >
> >
>  
>

> From: Bill Bruno <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Torroids, power strips, etc.
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Tuesday, March 30, 2010, 7:28 PM
> I suspect the problem with the
> Stetzers may be the quality of the
> capacitors, plus they are so large that there is a
> significant 60 Hz
> current.
>
> When there are no inductors (which must be in series, not
> in parallel,
> so would not work in a Stetzer box) the capacitance must be
> very
> large to have any effect, and has these side effects.
> Bill
>
> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 5:02 PM, Steve G <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > The Furman's also have a very good rep. Those are the
> ones I'd go for,
> > especially since they didn't bother you and you have
> alot of experience in
> > this area.
> > I do like my BackUPS so that will be the last thing I
> replace, its been
> > very reliable and provides smooth power but it
> definitely sets off my
> > cellsensor. I moved it far away enough from where I
> sit at the computer that
> > I don't get a reading at all at my chair.
> >
> > --- On Tue, 3/30/10, Marc Martin <[hidden email]<marc%40ufoseries.com>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]
> <marc%40ufoseries.com>>
> >
> > > Subject: Re: [eSens] Torroids, power strips,
> etc.
> > > To: [hidden email]
> <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Date: Tuesday, March 30, 2010, 2:33 PM
> >
> > > > That would probably mean my
> > > BatteryBackUPS with AVR may be a problem. I
> > > > bought it to keep the electricity at a
> constant rate.
> > > It protects
> > > > electronics against not only spikes but low
> voltage
> > > issues also.
> > >
> > > Like I've said, I have not noticed the Furman to
> be a
> > > problem, meanwhile,
> > > I *have* noticed the Stetzer filters and other
> products to
> > > be a problem.
> > >
> > > Note that I have also found the "Noise
> Harvesters" from PS
> > > Audio to
> > > be perfectly tolerable.  However, I also
> haven't
> > > noticed any
> > > benefits from these either... :-/
> > >
> > > Marc
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >     [hidden email]<eSens-fullfeatured%40yahoogroups.com>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > 
> >
>
>
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> From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Torroids, power strips, etc.
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Tuesday, March 30, 2010, 9:15 PM
> > By far the worst outlet was
> where my fridge is plugged in. It shot up to
> > over 30 and the Meter actually started picking up
> radio signals! Bizarre.
> > So, I need to clean up those 2 outlets. I don't think
> the Quantum strip
> > will help the bedroom outlet but I will try it out.
>
> Just remember, I don't believe the Quantum stuff will
> affect your meter
> readings -- these were designed to help people, not meter
> readings.  But
> you can combine these with conventional filters to help
> both you and
> the meter.  :-)
>
> Marc
>
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