Just had my EMF Levels checked by SDGE

> From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Just had my EMF Levels checked by SDGE
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Monday, March 29, 2010, 5:12 AM
>  
> White noise very well can be used to neutralize
> electrosmog. Just make a 
> coil with 100 windings of copper wire and about 4 inches
> diameter and plug
> this  in your player instead the earphone and then
> play the white noise.
> Naturally you  will hear nothing, but all electrosmog
> present in the room will be
> neutralized.  But there is a side effect to this. Also
> healthy frequencies
> like the  Schumann frequency of 7,8 Hertz will be
> neutralized. So one has to
> try.
>  
> dietrich
>  
>  
> In einer eMail vom 25.03.2010 23:12:21 Westeuropäische
> Sommerzeit schreibt 
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> Now, if anyone knows of a good white noise machine or
> something that  can
> > drown out outside noises so I can replace that air
> cleaner I'd  love to
> > hear about it.
>
> You can buy CDs (or download MP3s) of  white noise (or
> "brown noise", which
> sounds more like the ocean) and play  them on a stereo
> system...
>
> Marc
>
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>
> hmmmm, I'll have to look into that.
>
>
> --- On Sat, 3/27/10, charles <[hidden email]<charles%40milieuziektes.be>>
> wrote:
>
> > From: charles <[hidden email] <charles%40milieuziektes.be>>
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Just had my EMF Levels checked by SDGE
> > To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 1:11 PM
>
> > No, when the wiring is right,
> > microwave ovens do not show magnetic fields,
> > when they are of..
> >
> > Greetings,
> > Charles Claessens
> > member Verband Baubiologie
> > www.milieuziektes.nl
> > www.milieuziektes.be
> > www.hetbitje.nl
> > checked by Norton
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Steve G" <[hidden email] <torch369%40yahoo.com>>
> > To: <[hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>>
> > Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 9:05 PM
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Just had my EMF Levels checked by
> > SDGE
> >
> >
> > All microwaves give off emf when they are off as far as I
> > know. The outlet
> > is grounded because I tested it with a surge protector that
> > has a wiring
> > site fault light.
> >
> > --- On Sat, 3/27/10, charles <[hidden email]<charles%40milieuziektes.be>
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > From: charles <[hidden email] <charles%40milieuziektes.be>>
> > > Subject: Re: [eSens] Just had my EMF Levels checked by
> > SDGE
> > > To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 11:46 AM
> > > If the microwave oven gives off emf
> > > even when its not on, than it is a
> > > matter of grounding.
> > >
> > > The electrical wiring is not grounded.
> > >
> > > Greetings,
> > > Charles Claessens
> > > member Verband Baubiologie
> > > www.milieuziektes.nl
> > > www.milieuziektes.be
> > > www.hetbitje.nl
> > > checked by Norton
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Steve G" <[hidden email] <torch369%40yahoo.com>>
> > > To: <[hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>>
> > > Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 7:06 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [eSens] Just had my EMF Levels checked
> > by
> > > SDGE
> > >
> > >
> > > He said it was from the fridge. The compressor was on
> > when
> > > he did the
> > > reading. Also the microwave oven gives off emf even
> > when
> > > its not on.
> > > Would adding a good surge suppressor help with the
> > fridge?
> > >
> > > --- On Sat, 3/27/10, Bill Bruno <[hidden email] <wbruno%40gmail.com>
> >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > From: Bill Bruno <[hidden email] <wbruno%40gmail.com>>
> > > > Subject: Re: [eSens] Just had my EMF Levels
> > checked by
> > > SDGE
> > > > To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 10:48 AM
> > > > And by the way, 1.24 in the kitchen
> > > > sounds terrible.
> > > > Stetzer filters will not solve that (although
> > > reducing
> > > > dirty
> > > > power in that situation is a good idea). Figure
> > out
> > > > the
> > > > cause of that. If it goes away with everything
> > off
> > > > (try the
> > > > lights first) then it's probably a wiring error.
> > If
> > > > you have
> > > > two switches controlling the lights, probably
> > the
> > > white
> > > > neutral wires from two circuits are connected
> > > somewhere.
> > > > This is usually (but not always) easy to fix.
> > > >
> > > > The power company guy ideally would have
> > commented
> > > > on this...but their bible says anything under
> > 1000 mGa
> > > is
> > > > safe.
> > > >
> > > > Bill
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Bill Bruno
> > <[hidden email] <wbruno%40gmail.com>>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > 0.3 milligauss is not terrible, but for
> > someone
> > > who is
> > > > sensitive
> > > > > it's really not great, especially if there
> > is
> > > dirty
> > > > power on the line.
> > > > >
> > > > > It would probably make sense to have a
> > plumber
> > > put a
> > > > > dielectric union or short piece of plastic
> > > ("pex")
> > > > tubing
> > > > > anywhere in that copper pipe. Or disconnect
> > the
> > > > loop it's
> > > > > forming (could be a dishwasher or fridge
> > with ice
> > > make
> > > > doubly
> > > > > grounded). Or, in some cases you can
> > > > add a copper wire
> > > > > connected to the pipe at both ends, and
> > running
> > > along
> > > > > the path that completes the loop. This is
> > hard
> > > > to explain
> > > > > in words, but given a choice most of the AC
> > > current
> > > > will go
> > > > > through a small loop rather than a large
> > one, if
> > > you
> > > > can get
> > > > > the small one really tiny (think twisted
> > pair)
> > > it
> > > > could be
> > > > > fairly effective. But just breaking the loop
> > is
> > > > always most effective.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 8:45 AM, Steve G
> > <[hidden email] <torch369%40yahoo.com>>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I just called and said I was concerned
> > about
> > > EMF
> > > > levels. They were very
> > > > >> understanding (although they are
> > installing
> > > smart
> > > > meters so I guess their
> > > > >> level of understanding has limits).
> > They
> > > sent
> > > > someone out to read my apt and
> > > > >> outside the building. They are pretty
> > good
> > > about
> > > > this stuff-they check out
> > > > >> my gas appliances for free every
> > winter.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> --- On Sat, 3/27/10, Jennie Wassenaar
> > > > >> <[hidden email] <ad-in%40ameritech.net><ad-in%
> 40ameritech.net>>
> > > > >> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > From: Jennie Wassenaar <[hidden email]<ad-in%40ameritech.net>
> > > > <ad-in%40ameritech.net>>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Just had my
> > EMF
> > > Levels
> > > > checked by SDGE
> > > > >> > To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > >> > Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010,
> > 5:56 AM
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > How did you get someone from the
> > > > >> > utility company to come out and
> > check
> > > you EMF
> > > > levels?
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Thanks,
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Jennie
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > ________________________________
> > > > >> > From: torch369 <[hidden email] <torch369%40yahoo.com>
> > > > <torch369%40yahoo.com>>
> > > > >> > To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > >> > Sent: Thu, March 25, 2010 4:49:27
> > PM
> > > > >> > Subject: [eSens] Just had my EMF
> > Levels
> > > > checked by SDGE
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > My local utility sent someone out
> > to
> > > check my
> > > > EMF Levels in
> > > > >> > my apt, garage and surrounding
> > area.
> > > > >> > They actually checked out pretty
> > good,
> > > > according to him for
> > > > >> > an apt. they were very good.
> > > > >> > Garage was .32. The only bad spots
> > were
> > > a
> > > > copper pipe
> > > > >> > running across the wall but when he
> > put
> > > the
> > > > device closer to
> > > > >> > the ceiling (under my bedroom) it
> > > dropped
> > > > off.
> > > > >> > Front Door was .36.
> > > > >> > Living Room was .48
> > > > >> > Kitchen was 1.24
> > > > >> > Bedroom was .48
> > > > >> > Dining Room was .80
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > The one item I own that he said was
> > too
> > > high
> > > > was the small
> > > > >> > air cleaner I use to drown out
> > outside
> > > > noises. This had read
> > > > >> > high also on my little $30
> > Cellsensor so
> > > that
> > > > Meter was a
> > > > >> > good buy. Where it was located
> > still
> > > showed a
> > > > high level by
> > > > >> > my feet but it was OK by my head
> > and
> > > body.
> > > > Its amazing how
> > > > >> > much EMF that little cleaner
> > throws
> > > off.
> > > > >> > So, now I know it isn't so bad in
> > here.
> > > Not
> > > > going to try
> > > > >> > the stetzer filters, going to
> > return
> > > the
> > > > stetzerizer meter,
> > > > >> > and going to try some of those
> > Quantum
> > > > strips/outlets like I
> > > > >> > said I was. Seems to be the way to
> > go I
> > > > think.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Now, if anyone knows of a good
> > white
> > > noise
> > > > machine or
> > > > >> > something that can drown out
> > outside
> > > noises
> > > > so I can replace
> > > > >> > that air cleaner I'd love to hear
> > about
> > > it.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
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> From: Bill Bruno <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Just had my EMF Levels checked by SDGE
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Monday, March 29, 2010, 8:34 AM
> All microwave ovens (at least on the
> US market) do
> show high magnetic field readings close to the oven
> when off.  This is probably from a transformer used
> to power the the digital display and buttons.  The
> older
> kind with mechanical timer I have not tested.
>
> Plug it into a power strip with a switch and keep it
> off when not in use... it generates dirty power anyway
> (test with a radio).
>
> If the fridge has no digital features then it probably
> does not generate dirty power.  A surge protector
> might make the field more tolerable by cleaning up
> the field going in, but I think in this case a filter with
> toroidal inductors would be needed as you'd have to
> focus on the low-impedance 100kHz region.  It won't
> reduce the field at 60 Hz in any case.
>
> You can still buy efficient fridges with manual
> defrost.  It is generally the blower that is the
> problem.
> Bill
>
> On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 4:11 PM, Steve G <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > hmmmm, I'll have to look into that.
> >
> >
> > --- On Sat, 3/27/10, charles <[hidden email]<charles%40milieuziektes.be>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > From: charles <[hidden email]
> <charles%40milieuziektes.be>>
> > > Subject: Re: [eSens] Just had my EMF Levels
> checked by SDGE
> > > To: [hidden email]
> <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 1:11 PM
> >
> > > No, when the wiring is right,
> > > microwave ovens do not show magnetic fields,
> > > when they are of..
> > >
> > > Greetings,
> > > Charles Claessens
> > > member Verband Baubiologie
> > > www.milieuziektes.nl
> > > www.milieuziektes.be
> > > www.hetbitje.nl
> > > checked by Norton
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Steve G" <[hidden email]
> <torch369%40yahoo.com>>
> > > To: <[hidden email]
> <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>>
> > > Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 9:05 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [eSens] Just had my EMF Levels
> checked by
> > > SDGE
> > >
> > >
> > > All microwaves give off emf when they are off as
> far as I
> > > know. The outlet
> > > is grounded because I tested it with a surge
> protector that
> > > has a wiring
> > > site fault light.
> > >
> > > --- On Sat, 3/27/10, charles <[hidden email]<charles%40milieuziektes.be>
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > From: charles <[hidden email]
> <charles%40milieuziektes.be>>
> > > > Subject: Re: [eSens] Just had my EMF Levels
> checked by
> > > SDGE
> > > > To: [hidden email]
> <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 11:46 AM
> > > > If the microwave oven gives off emf
> > > > even when its not on, than it is a
> > > > matter of grounding.
> > > >
> > > > The electrical wiring is not grounded.
> > > >
> > > > Greetings,
> > > > Charles Claessens
> > > > member Verband Baubiologie
> > > > www.milieuziektes.nl
> > > > www.milieuziektes.be
> > > > www.hetbitje.nl
> > > > checked by Norton
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Steve G" <[hidden email]
> <torch369%40yahoo.com>>
> > > > To: <[hidden email]
> <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 7:06 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [eSens] Just had my EMF Levels
> checked
> > > by
> > > > SDGE
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > He said it was from the fridge. The
> compressor was on
> > > when
> > > > he did the
> > > > reading. Also the microwave oven gives off
> emf even
> > > when
> > > > its not on.
> > > > Would adding a good surge suppressor help
> with the
> > > fridge?
> > > >
> > > > --- On Sat, 3/27/10, Bill Bruno <[hidden email]
> <wbruno%40gmail.com>
> > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > From: Bill Bruno <[hidden email]
> <wbruno%40gmail.com>>
> > > > > Subject: Re: [eSens] Just had my EMF
> Levels
> > > checked by
> > > > SDGE
> > > > > To: [hidden email]
> <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 10:48
> AM
> > > > > And by the way, 1.24 in the kitchen
> > > > > sounds terrible.
> > > > > Stetzer filters will not solve that
> (although
> > > > reducing
> > > > > dirty
> > > > > power in that situation is a good
> idea). Figure
> > > out
> > > > > the
> > > > > cause of that. If it goes away with
> everything
> > > off
> > > > > (try the
> > > > > lights first) then it's probably a
> wiring error.
> > > If
> > > > > you have
> > > > > two switches controlling the lights,
> probably
> > > the
> > > > white
> > > > > neutral wires from two circuits are
> connected
> > > > somewhere.
> > > > > This is usually (but not always) easy
> to fix.
> > > > >
> > > > > The power company guy ideally would
> have
> > > commented
> > > > > on this...but their bible says anything
> under
> > > 1000 mGa
> > > > is
> > > > > safe.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bill
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Bill
> Bruno
> > > <[hidden email]
> <wbruno%40gmail.com>>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > 0.3 milligauss is not terrible,
> but for
> > > someone
> > > > who is
> > > > > sensitive
> > > > > > it's really not great, especially
> if there
> > > is
> > > > dirty
> > > > > power on the line.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It would probably make sense to
> have a
> > > plumber
> > > > put a
> > > > > > dielectric union or short piece of
> plastic
> > > > ("pex")
> > > > > tubing
> > > > > > anywhere in that copper pipe. Or
> disconnect
> > > the
> > > > > loop it's
> > > > > > forming (could be a dishwasher or
> fridge
> > > with ice
> > > > make
> > > > > doubly
> > > > > > grounded). Or, in some cases you
> can
> > > > > add a copper wire
> > > > > > connected to the pipe at both
> ends, and
> > > running
> > > > along
> > > > > > the path that completes the loop.
> This is
> > > hard
> > > > > to explain
> > > > > > in words, but given a choice most
> of the AC
> > > > current
> > > > > will go
> > > > > > through a small loop rather than a
> large
> > > one, if
> > > > you
> > > > > can get
> > > > > > the small one really tiny (think
> twisted
> > > pair)
> > > > it
> > > > > could be
> > > > > > fairly effective. But just
> breaking the loop
> > > is
> > > > > always most effective.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 8:45 AM,
> Steve G
> > > <[hidden email]
> <torch369%40yahoo.com>>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> I just called and said I was
> concerned
> > > about
> > > > EMF
> > > > > levels. They were very
> > > > > >> understanding (although they
> are
> > > installing
> > > > smart
> > > > > meters so I guess their
> > > > > >> level of understanding has
> limits).
> > > They
> > > > sent
> > > > > someone out to read my apt and
> > > > > >> outside the building. They are
> pretty
> > > good
> > > > about
> > > > > this stuff-they check out
> > > > > >> my gas appliances for free
> every
> > > winter.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> --- On Sat, 3/27/10, Jennie
> Wassenaar
> > > > > >> <[hidden email]
> <ad-in%40ameritech.net><ad-in%
> > 40ameritech.net>>
> > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > From: Jennie Wassenaar
> <[hidden email]<ad-in%40ameritech.net>
> > > > > <ad-in%40ameritech.net>>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Just
> had my
> > > EMF
> > > > Levels
> > > > > checked by SDGE
> > > > > >> > To: [hidden email]
> <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > >> > Date: Saturday, March 27,
> 2010,
> > > 5:56 AM
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > How did you get someone
> from the
> > > > > >> > utility company to come
> out and
> > > check
> > > > you EMF
> > > > > levels?
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Thanks,
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Jennie
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >
> ________________________________
> > > > > >> > From: torch369 <[hidden email]
> <torch369%40yahoo.com>
> > > > > <torch369%40yahoo.com>>
> > > > > >> > To: [hidden email]
> <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > >> > Sent: Thu, March 25, 2010
> 4:49:27
> > > PM
> > > > > >> > Subject: [eSens] Just had
> my EMF
> > > Levels
> > > > > checked by SDGE
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > My local utility sent
> someone out
> > > to
> > > > check my
> > > > > EMF Levels in
> > > > > >> > my apt, garage and
> surrounding
> > > area.
> > > > > >> > They actually checked out
> pretty
> > > good,
> > > > > according to him for
> > > > > >> > an apt. they were very
> good.
> > > > > >> > Garage was .32. The only
> bad spots
> > > were
> > > > a
> > > > > copper pipe
> > > > > >> > running across the wall
> but when he
> > > put
> > > > the
> > > > > device closer to
> > > > > >> > the ceiling (under my
> bedroom) it
> > > > dropped
> > > > > off.
> > > > > >> > Front Door was .36.
> > > > > >> > Living Room was .48
> > > > > >> > Kitchen was 1.24
> > > > > >> > Bedroom was .48
> > > > > >> > Dining Room was .80
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > The one item I own that
> he said was
> > > too
> > > > high
> > > > > was the small
> > > > > >> > air cleaner I use to
> drown out
> > > outside
> > > > > noises. This had read
> > > > > >> > high also on my little
> $30
> > > Cellsensor so
> > > > that
> > > > > Meter was a
> > > > > >> > good buy. Where it was
> located
> > > still
> > > > showed a
> > > > > high level by
> > > > > >> > my feet but it was OK by
> my head
> > > and
> > > > body.
> > > > > Its amazing how
> > > > > >> > much EMF that little
> cleaner
> > > throws
> > > > off.
> > > > > >> > So, now I know it isn't
> so bad in
> > > here.
> > > > Not
> > > > > going to try
> > > > > >> > the stetzer filters,
> going to
> > > return
> > > > the
> > > > > stetzerizer meter,
> > > > > >> > and going to try some of
> those
> > > Quantum
> > > > > strips/outlets like I
> > > > > >> > said I was. Seems to be
> the way to
> > > go I
> > > > > think.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Now, if anyone knows of a
> good
> > > white
> > > > noise
> > > > > machine or
> > > > > >> > something that can drown
> out
> > > outside
> > > > noises
> > > > > so I can replace
> > > > > >> > that air cleaner I'd love
> to hear
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> Bill,
> Thats correct, my outlet checked out to be grounded properly. I will do
> what you said about the strip and just power it off when I'm not using it
> (which is most of the time anyway)
> Do you know of a strip with torroidal inductors?
> I ordered a quantum outlet which I will plug it into, don't know if it will
> do anything but supposedlt it helps for some reason. I could plug the strip
> directly into the quantum outlet.
> Steve
>
>
> --- On Mon, 3/29/10, Bill Bruno <[hidden email] <wbruno%40gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> > From: Bill Bruno <[hidden email] <wbruno%40gmail.com>>
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Just had my EMF Levels checked by SDGE
> > To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: Monday, March 29, 2010, 8:34 AM
>
> > All microwave ovens (at least on the
> > US market) do
> > show high magnetic field readings close to the oven
> > when off. This is probably from a transformer used
> > to power the the digital display and buttons. The
> > older
> > kind with mechanical timer I have not tested.
> >
> > Plug it into a power strip with a switch and keep it
> > off when not in use... it generates dirty power anyway
> > (test with a radio).
> >
> > If the fridge has no digital features then it probably
> > does not generate dirty power. A surge protector
> > might make the field more tolerable by cleaning up
> > the field going in, but I think in this case a filter with
> > toroidal inductors would be needed as you'd have to
> > focus on the low-impedance 100kHz region. It won't
> > reduce the field at 60 Hz in any case.
> >
> > You can still buy efficient fridges with manual
> > defrost. It is generally the blower that is the
> > problem.
> > Bill
> >
> > On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 4:11 PM, Steve G <[hidden email]<torch369%40yahoo.com>
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > hmmmm, I'll have to look into that.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Sat, 3/27/10, charles <[hidden email]<charles%40milieuziektes.be>
> <charles%40milieuziektes.be>>
>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > From: charles <[hidden email] <charles%40milieuziektes.be>
> > <charles%40milieuziektes.be>>
>
> > > > Subject: Re: [eSens] Just had my EMF Levels
> > checked by SDGE
> > > > To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
>
> > > > Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 1:11 PM
> > >
> > > > No, when the wiring is right,
> > > > microwave ovens do not show magnetic fields,
> > > > when they are of..
> > > >
> > > > Greetings,
> > > > Charles Claessens
> > > > member Verband Baubiologie
> > > > www.milieuziektes.nl
> > > > www.milieuziektes.be
> > > > www.hetbitje.nl
> > > > checked by Norton
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Steve G" <[hidden email] <torch369%40yahoo.com>
> > <torch369%40yahoo.com>>
> > > > To: <[hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 9:05 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [eSens] Just had my EMF Levels
> > checked by
> > > > SDGE
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > All microwaves give off emf when they are off as
> > far as I
> > > > know. The outlet
> > > > is grounded because I tested it with a surge
> > protector that
> > > > has a wiring
> > > > site fault light.
> > > >
> > > > --- On Sat, 3/27/10, charles <[hidden email]<charles%40milieuziektes.be>
> <charles%40milieuziektes.be>
>
> > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > From: charles <[hidden email]<charles%40milieuziektes.be>
> > <charles%40milieuziektes.be>>
>
> > > > > Subject: Re: [eSens] Just had my EMF Levels
> > checked by
> > > > SDGE
> > > > > To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
>
> > > > > Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 11:46 AM
> > > > > If the microwave oven gives off emf
> > > > > even when its not on, than it is a
> > > > > matter of grounding.
> > > > >
> > > > > The electrical wiring is not grounded.
> > > > >
> > > > > Greetings,
> > > > > Charles Claessens
> > > > > member Verband Baubiologie
> > > > > www.milieuziektes.nl
> > > > > www.milieuziektes.be
> > > > > www.hetbitje.nl
> > > > > checked by Norton
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Steve G" <[hidden email] <torch369%40yahoo.com>
> > <torch369%40yahoo.com>>
> > > > > To: <[hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>>
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 7:06 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [eSens] Just had my EMF Levels
> > checked
> > > > by
> > > > > SDGE
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > He said it was from the fridge. The
> > compressor was on
> > > > when
> > > > > he did the
> > > > > reading. Also the microwave oven gives off
> > emf even
> > > > when
> > > > > its not on.
> > > > > Would adding a good surge suppressor help
> > with the
> > > > fridge?
> > > > >
> > > > > --- On Sat, 3/27/10, Bill Bruno <[hidden email]<wbruno%40gmail.com>
> > <wbruno%40gmail.com>
>
> > > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > From: Bill Bruno <[hidden email] <wbruno%40gmail.com>
> > <wbruno%40gmail.com>>
>
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [eSens] Just had my EMF
> > Levels
> > > > checked by
> > > > > SDGE
> > > > > > To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
>
> > > > > > Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 10:48
> > AM
> > > > > > And by the way, 1.24 in the kitchen
> > > > > > sounds terrible.
> > > > > > Stetzer filters will not solve that
> > (although
> > > > > reducing
> > > > > > dirty
> > > > > > power in that situation is a good
> > idea). Figure
> > > > out
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > cause of that. If it goes away with
> > everything
> > > > off
> > > > > > (try the
> > > > > > lights first) then it's probably a
> > wiring error.
> > > > If
> > > > > > you have
> > > > > > two switches controlling the lights,
> > probably
> > > > the
> > > > > white
> > > > > > neutral wires from two circuits are
> > connected
> > > > > somewhere.
> > > > > > This is usually (but not always) easy
> > to fix.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The power company guy ideally would
> > have
> > > > commented
> > > > > > on this...but their bible says anything
> > under
> > > > 1000 mGa
> > > > > is
> > > > > > safe.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bill
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Bill
> > Bruno
> > > > <[hidden email] <wbruno%40gmail.com>
> > <wbruno%40gmail.com>>
>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > 0.3 milligauss is not terrible,
> > but for
> > > > someone
> > > > > who is
> > > > > > sensitive
> > > > > > > it's really not great, especially
> > if there
> > > > is
> > > > > dirty
> > > > > > power on the line.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It would probably make sense to
> > have a
> > > > plumber
> > > > > put a
> > > > > > > dielectric union or short piece of
> > plastic
> > > > > ("pex")
> > > > > > tubing
> > > > > > > anywhere in that copper pipe. Or
> > disconnect
> > > > the
> > > > > > loop it's
> > > > > > > forming (could be a dishwasher or
> > fridge
> > > > with ice
> > > > > make
> > > > > > doubly
> > > > > > > grounded). Or, in some cases you
> > can
> > > > > > add a copper wire
> > > > > > > connected to the pipe at both
> > ends, and
> > > > running
> > > > > along
> > > > > > > the path that completes the loop.
> > This is
> > > > hard
> > > > > > to explain
> > > > > > > in words, but given a choice most
> > of the AC
> > > > > current
> > > > > > will go
> > > > > > > through a small loop rather than a
> > large
> > > > one, if
> > > > > you
> > > > > > can get
> > > > > > > the small one really tiny (think
> > twisted
> > > > pair)
> > > > > it
> > > > > > could be
> > > > > > > fairly effective. But just
> > breaking the loop
> > > > is
> > > > > > always most effective.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 8:45 AM,
> > Steve G
> > > > <[hidden email] <torch369%40yahoo.com>
> > <torch369%40yahoo.com>>
>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> I just called and said I was
> > concerned
> > > > about
> > > > > EMF
> > > > > > levels. They were very
> > > > > > >> understanding (although they
> > are
> > > > installing
> > > > > smart
> > > > > > meters so I guess their
> > > > > > >> level of understanding has
> > limits).
> > > > They
> > > > > sent
> > > > > > someone out to read my apt and
> > > > > > >> outside the building. They are
> > pretty
> > > > good
> > > > > about
> > > > > > this stuff-they check out
> > > > > > >> my gas appliances for free
> > every
> > > > winter.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> --- On Sat, 3/27/10, Jennie
> > Wassenaar
> > > > > > >> <[hidden email] <ad-in%40ameritech.net>
> > <ad-in%40ameritech.net><ad-in%
>
> > > 40ameritech.net>>
> > > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > From: Jennie Wassenaar
> > <[hidden email] <ad-in%40ameritech.net><ad-in%40ameritech.net>
> > > > > > <ad-in%40ameritech.net>>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Just
> > had my
> > > > EMF
> > > > > Levels
> > > > > > checked by SDGE
> > > > > > >> > To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > >> > Date: Saturday, March 27,
> > 2010,
> > > > 5:56 AM
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > How did you get someone
> > from the
> > > > > > >> > utility company to come
> > out and
> > > > check
> > > > > you EMF
> > > > > > levels?
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > Thanks,
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > Jennie
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> >
> > ________________________________
> > > > > > >> > From: torch369 <[hidden email] <torch369%40yahoo.com>
> > <torch369%40yahoo.com>
> > > > > > <torch369%40yahoo.com>>
> > > > > > >> > To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > >> > Sent: Thu, March 25, 2010
> > 4:49:27
> > > > PM
> > > > > > >> > Subject: [eSens] Just had
> > my EMF
> > > > Levels
> > > > > > checked by SDGE
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > My local utility sent
> > someone out
> > > > to
> > > > > check my
> > > > > > EMF Levels in
> > > > > > >> > my apt, garage and
> > surrounding
> > > > area.
> > > > > > >> > They actually checked out
> > pretty
> > > > good,
> > > > > > according to him for
> > > > > > >> > an apt. they were very
> > good.
> > > > > > >> > Garage was .32. The only
> > bad spots
> > > > were
> > > > > a
> > > > > > copper pipe
> > > > > > >> > running across the wall
> > but when he
> > > > put
> > > > > the
> > > > > > device closer to
> > > > > > >> > the ceiling (under my
> > bedroom) it
> > > > > dropped
> > > > > > off.
> > > > > > >> > Front Door was .36.
> > > > > > >> > Living Room was .48
> > > > > > >> > Kitchen was 1.24
> > > > > > >> > Bedroom was .48
> > > > > > >> > Dining Room was .80
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > The one item I own that
> > he said was
> > > > too
> > > > > high
> > > > > > was the small
> > > > > > >> > air cleaner I use to
> > drown out
> > > > outside
> > > > > > noises. This had read
> > > > > > >> > high also on my little
> > $30
> > > > Cellsensor so
> > > > > that
> > > > > > Meter was a
> > > > > > >> > good buy. Where it was
> > located
> > > > still
> > > > > showed a
> > > > > > high level by
> > > > > > >> > my feet but it was OK by
> > my head
> > > > and
> > > > > body.
> > > > > > Its amazing how
> > > > > > >> > much EMF that little
> > cleaner
> > > > throws
> > > > > off.
> > > > > > >> > So, now I know it isn't
> > so bad in
> > > > here.
> > > > > Not
> > > > > > going to try
> > > > > > >> > the stetzer filters,
> > going to
> > > > return
> > > > > the
> > > > > > stetzerizer meter,
> > > > > > >> > and going to try some of
> > those
> > > > Quantum
> > > > > > strips/outlets like I
> > > > > > >> > said I was. Seems to be
> > the way to
> > > > go I
> > > > > > think.
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > Now, if anyone knows of a
> > good
> > > > white
> > > > > noise
> > > > > > machine or
> > > > > > >> > something that can drown
> > out
> > > > outside
> > > > > noises
> > > > > > so I can replace
> > > > > > >> > that air cleaner I'd love
> > to hear
> > > > about
> > > > > it.
> > > > > > >> >
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> From: Bill Bruno <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Just had my EMF Levels checked by SDGE
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Monday, March 29, 2010, 10:29 AM
> The pre-year 2000 Isobars from
> Tripp-Lite
> that list dB attenuation on the front have
> toroids.  ICEradioProducts sells filters
> with toroids, they work much better than
> a Stetzer filter, but one started buzzing,
> the customer service is unpredictable, they look
> industrial
> but don't have the build quality of the (much more
> expensive) Filter Concepts CF series (which have
> the best performance of the bunch).
>
> Still, they are by no means the ultimate.  Military
> grade filters typically give 100dB attenuation from
> 14 kHz or 40kHz to 10 GHz or higher.  But to
> get that performance you need a good RF ground
> at the filter, and wires all in metal conduit.
>
> By the way, the microwave emissions from a microwave
> oven are significant.  A friend of mine always
> quickly
> moves 10 feet away or he gets a headache... and he
> doesn't even consider himself electrically sensitive!
> Best to just get rid of it... though pretty much every
> cooking device has some kind of emission--chemical,
> or magnetic .
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Steve G <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Bill,
> > Thats correct, my outlet checked out to be grounded
> properly. I will do
> > what you said about the strip and just power it off
> when I'm not using it
> > (which is most of the time anyway)
> > Do you know of a strip with torroidal inductors?
> > I ordered a quantum outlet which I will plug it into,
> don't know if it will
> > do anything but supposedlt it helps for some reason. I
> could plug the strip
> > directly into the quantum outlet.
> > Steve
> >
> >
> > --- On Mon, 3/29/10, Bill Bruno <[hidden email]
> <wbruno%40gmail.com>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > From: Bill Bruno <[hidden email]
> <wbruno%40gmail.com>>
> > > Subject: Re: [eSens] Just had my EMF Levels
> checked by SDGE
> > > To: [hidden email]
> <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Date: Monday, March 29, 2010, 8:34 AM
> >
> > > All microwave ovens (at least on the
> > > US market) do
> > > show high magnetic field readings close to the
> oven
> > > when off.  This is probably from a
> transformer used
> > > to power the the digital display and
> buttons.  The
> > > older
> > > kind with mechanical timer I have not tested.
> > >
> > > Plug it into a power strip with a switch and keep
> it
> > > off when not in use... it generates dirty power
> anyway
> > > (test with a radio).
> > >
> > > If the fridge has no digital features then it
> probably
> > > does not generate dirty power.  A surge
> protector
> > > might make the field more tolerable by cleaning
> up
> > > the field going in, but I think in this case a
> filter with
> > > toroidal inductors would be needed as you'd have
> to
> > > focus on the low-impedance 100kHz region. 
> It won't
> > > reduce the field at 60 Hz in any case.
> > >
> > > You can still buy efficient fridges with manual
> > > defrost.  It is generally the blower that is
> the
> > > problem.
> > > Bill
> > >
> > > On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 4:11 PM, Steve G <[hidden email]<torch369%40yahoo.com>
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > hmmmm, I'll have to look into that.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- On Sat, 3/27/10, charles <[hidden email]<charles%40milieuziektes.be>
> > <charles%40milieuziektes.be>>
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > From: charles <[hidden email]
> <charles%40milieuziektes.be>
> > > <charles%40milieuziektes.be>>
> >
> > > > > Subject: Re: [eSens] Just had my EMF
> Levels
> > > checked by SDGE
> > > > > To: [hidden email]
> <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> >
> > > > > Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010, 1:11
> PM
> > > >
> > > > > No, when the wiring is right,
> > > > > microwave ovens do not show magnetic
> fields,
> > > > > when they are of..
> > > > >
> > > > > Greetings,
> > > > > Charles Claessens
> > > > > member Verband Baubiologie
> > > > > www.milieuziektes.nl
> > > > > www.milieuziektes.be
> > > > > www.hetbitje.nl
> > > > > checked by Norton
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Steve G" <[hidden email]
> <torch369%40yahoo.com>
> > > <torch369%40yahoo.com>>
> > > > > To: <[hidden email]
> <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>>
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 9:05 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [eSens] Just had my EMF
> Levels
> > > checked by
> > > > > SDGE
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > All microwaves give off emf when they
> are off as
> > > far as I
> > > > > know. The outlet
> > > > > is grounded because I tested it with a
> surge
> > > protector that
> > > > > has a wiring
> > > > > site fault light.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- On Sat, 3/27/10, charles <[hidden email]<charles%40milieuziektes.be>
> > <charles%40milieuziektes.be>
> >
> > > > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > From: charles <[hidden email]<charles%40milieuziektes.be>
> > > <charles%40milieuziektes.be>>
> >
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [eSens] Just had my
> EMF Levels
> > > checked by
> > > > > SDGE
> > > > > > To: [hidden email]
> <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> >
> > > > > > Date: Saturday, March 27, 2010,
> 11:46 AM
> > > > > > If the microwave oven gives off
> emf
> > > > > > even when its not on, than it is
> a
> > > > > > matter of grounding.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The electrical wiring is not
> grounded.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Greetings,
> > > > > > Charles Claessens
> > > > > > member Verband Baubiologie
> > > > > > www.milieuziektes.nl
> > > > > > www.milieuziektes.be
> > > > > > www.hetbitje.nl
> > > > > > checked by Norton
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Steve G" <[hidden email]
> <torch369%40yahoo.com>
> > > <torch369%40yahoo.com>>
> > > > > > To: <[hidden email]
> <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>>
> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010
> 7:06 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [eSens] Just had my
> EMF Levels
> > > checked
> > > > > by
> > > > > > SDGE
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > He said it was from the fridge.
> The
> > > compressor was on
> > > > > when
> > > > > > he did the
> > > > > > reading. Also the microwave oven
> gives off
> > > emf even
> > > > > when
> > > > > > its not on.
> > > > > > Would adding a good surge
> suppressor help
> > > with the
> > > > > fridge?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- On Sat, 3/27/10, Bill Bruno
> <[hidden email]<wbruno%40gmail.com>
> > > <wbruno%40gmail.com>
> >
> > > > >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > From: Bill Bruno <[hidden email]
> <wbruno%40gmail.com>
> > > <wbruno%40gmail.com>>
> >
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [eSens] Just had
> my EMF
> > > Levels
> > > > > checked by
> > > > > > SDGE
> > > > > > > To: [hidden email]
> <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> >
> > > > > > > Date: Saturday, March 27,
> 2010, 10:48
> > > AM
> > > > > > > And by the way, 1.24 in the
> kitchen
> > > > > > > sounds terrible.
> > > > > > > Stetzer filters will not
> solve that
> > > (although
> > > > > > reducing
> > > > > > > dirty
> > > > > > > power in that situation is a
> good
> > > idea). Figure
> > > > > out
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > cause of that. If it goes
> away with
> > > everything
> > > > > off
> > > > > > > (try the
> > > > > > > lights first) then it's
> probably a
> > > wiring error.
> > > > > If
> > > > > > > you have
> > > > > > > two switches controlling the
> lights,
> > > probably
> > > > > the
> > > > > > white
> > > > > > > neutral wires from two
> circuits are
> > > connected
> > > > > > somewhere.
> > > > > > > This is usually (but not
> always) easy
> > > to fix.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The power company guy ideally
> would
> > > have
> > > > > commented
> > > > > > > on this...but their bible
> says anything
> > > under
> > > > > 1000 mGa
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > safe.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bill
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 11:43
> AM, Bill
> > > Bruno
> > > > > <[hidden email]
> <wbruno%40gmail.com>
> > > <wbruno%40gmail.com>>
> >
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 0.3 milligauss is not
> terrible,
> > > but for
> > > > > someone
> > > > > > who is
> > > > > > > sensitive
> > > > > > > > it's really not great,
> especially
> > > if there
> > > > > is
> > > > > > dirty
> > > > > > > power on the line.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It would probably make
> sense to
> > > have a
> > > > > plumber
> > > > > > put a
> > > > > > > > dielectric union or
> short piece of
> > > plastic
> > > > > > ("pex")
> > > > > > > tubing
> > > > > > > > anywhere in that copper
> pipe. Or
> > > disconnect
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > loop it's
> > > > > > > > forming (could be a
> dishwasher or
> > > fridge
> > > > > with ice
> > > > > > make
> > > > > > > doubly
> > > > > > > > grounded). Or, in some
> cases you
> > > can
> > > > > > > add a copper wire
> > > > > > > > connected to the pipe at
> both
> > > ends, and
> > > > > running
> > > > > > along
> > > > > > > > the path that completes
> the loop.
> > > This is
> > > > > hard
> > > > > > > to explain
> > > > > > > > in words, but given a
> choice most
> > > of the AC
> > > > > > current
> > > > > > > will go
> > > > > > > > through a small loop
> rather than a
> > > large
> > > > > one, if
> > > > > > you
> > > > > > > can get
> > > > > > > > the small one really
> tiny (think
> > > twisted
> > > > > pair)
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > > could be
> > > > > > > > fairly effective. But
> just
> > > breaking the loop
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > always most effective.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at
> 8:45 AM,
> > > Steve G
> > > > > <[hidden email]
> <torch369%40yahoo.com>
> > > <torch369%40yahoo.com>>
> >
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> I just called and
> said I was
> > > concerned
> > > > > about
> > > > > > EMF
> > > > > > > levels. They were very
> > > > > > > >> understanding
> (although they
> > > are
> > > > > installing
> > > > > > smart
> > > > > > > meters so I guess their
> > > > > > > >> level of
> understanding has
> > > limits).
> > > > > They
> > > > > > sent
> > > > > > > someone out to read my apt
> and
> > > > > > > >> outside the
> building. They are
> > > pretty
> > > > > good
> > > > > > about
> > > > > > > this stuff-they check out
> > > > > > > >> my gas appliances
> for free
> > > every
> > > > > winter.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> --- On Sat, 3/27/10,
> Jennie
> > > Wassenaar
> > > > > > > >> <[hidden email]
> <ad-in%40ameritech.net>
> > > <ad-in%40ameritech.net><ad-in%
> >
> > > > 40ameritech.net>>
> > > > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> > From: Jennie
> Wassenaar
> > > <[hidden email]
> <ad-in%40ameritech.net><ad-in%40ameritech.net>
> > > > > > >
> <ad-in%40ameritech.net>>
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> > Subject: Re:
> [eSens] Just
> > > had my
> > > > > EMF
> > > > > > Levels
> > > > > > > checked by SDGE
> > > > > > > >> > To: [hidden email]
> <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > >
> <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > > >> > Date: Saturday,
> March 27,
> > > 2010,
> > > > > 5:56 AM
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> > How did you get
> someone
> > > from the
> > > > > > > >> > utility company
> to come
> > > out and
> > > > > check
> > > > > > you EMF
> > > > > > > levels?
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > Thanks,
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > Jennie
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > ________________________________
> > > > > > > >> > From: torch369
> <[hidden email]
> <torch369%40yahoo.com>
> > > <torch369%40yahoo.com>
> > > > > > >
> <torch369%40yahoo.com>>
> > > > > > > >> > To: [hidden email]
> <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > >
> <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > > >> > Sent: Thu,
> March 25, 2010
> > > 4:49:27
> > > > > PM
> > > > > > > >> > Subject:
> [eSens] Just had
> > > my EMF
> > > > > Levels
> > > > > > > checked by SDGE
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > My local
> utility sent
> > > someone out
> > > > > to
> > > > > > check my
> > > > > > > EMF Levels in
> > > > > > > >> > my apt, garage
> and
> > > surrounding
> > > > > area.
> > > > > > > >> > They actually
> checked out
> > > pretty
> > > > > good,
> > > > > > > according to him for
> > > > > > > >> > an apt. they
> were very
> > > good.
> > > > > > > >> > Garage was .32.
> The only
> > > bad spots
> > > > > were
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > copper pipe
> > > > > > > >> > running across
> the wall
> > > but when he
> > > > > put
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > device closer to
> > > > > > > >> > the ceiling
> (under my
> > > bedroom) it
> > > > > > dropped
> > > > > > > off.
> > > > > > > >> > Front Door was
> .36.
> > > > > > > >> > Living Room was
> .48
> > > > > > > >> > Kitchen was
> 1.24
> > > > > > > >> > Bedroom was
> .48
> > > > > > > >> > Dining Room was
> .80
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > The one item I
> own that
> > > he said was
> > > > > too
> > > > > > high
> > > > > > > was the small
> > > > > > > >> > air cleaner I
> use to
> > > drown out
> > > > > outside
> > > > > > > noises. This had read
> > > > > > > >> > high also on my
> little
> > > $30
> > > > > Cellsensor so
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > Meter was a
> > > > > > > >> > good buy. Where
> it was
> > > located
> > > > > still
> > > > > > showed a
> > > > > > > high level by
> > > > > > > >> > my feet but it
> was OK by
> > > my head
> > > > > and
> > > > > > body.
> > > > > > > Its amazing how
> > > > > > > >> > much EMF that
> little
> > > cleaner
> > > > > throws
> > > > > > off.
> > > > > > > >> > So, now I know
> it isn't
> > > so bad in
> > > > > here.
> > > > > > Not
> > > > > > > going to try
> > > > > > > >> > the stetzer
> filters,
> > > going to
> > > > > return
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > stetzerizer meter,
> > > > > > > >> > and going to
> try some of
> > > those
> > > > > Quantum
> > > > > > > strips/outlets like I
> > > > > > > >> > said I was.
> Seems to be
> > > the way to
> > > > > go I
> > > > > > > think.
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > Now, if anyone
> knows of a
> > > good
> > > > > white
> > > > > > noise
> > > > > > > machine or
> > > > > > > >> > something that
> can drown
> > > out
> > > > > outside
> > > > > > noises
> > > > > > > so I can replace
> > > > > > > >> > that air
> cleaner I'd love
> > > to hear
> > > > > about
> > > > > > it.
> > > > > > > >> >
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> From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Torroids, power strips, etc.
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Monday, March 29, 2010, 8:52 PM
> > If you see wires wrapped around
> a ring
> > that's a toroidal inductor.
>
> Well, given this marketing photo, I'd
> say that the Furman power strips do have
> a toroidal inductor:
>
>   http://www.furmansound.com/swf/furman_smp_plus.html
>
> This I think would apply to the PST-8, PST-8D, and
> PST-10D.
>
> But like I said, I never really noticed any
> change in symptoms from the Furman power
> strips, although they do keep the Stetzer
> meter readings lower.
>
> Marc
>
>
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>
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>

> From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Torroids, power strips, etc.
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Monday, March 29, 2010, 9:35 PM
> > How come you have the stetzer
> meter if you don't have the filters?
>
> I originally had some Stetzer filters to go along with the
> meters,
> but found that they gave me a sharp pain in my head. 
> :-(  In fact,
> may of these shunt-capacitor type filters give me the same
> symptoms.
> Fortunately, the Furman "linear filtering" doesn't cause
> me
> any problems, while reducing the Stetzer meter readings.
>
> Marc
>
>
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>

>
>
> > Do you get a reaction to the brickwall?
>
> No, it's just when comparing the Brickwall and
> the Furman, I thought the Faurman seemed a bit better for
> me symptoms wise. But the difference was so small that
> I could have been imagining any differences... :-)
>
> Marc
>  
>

> From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Torroids, power strips, etc.
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Tuesday, March 30, 2010, 6:51 AM
> > Do you get a reaction to the
> brickwall?
>
> No, it's just when comparing the Brickwall and
> the Furman, I thought the Faurman seemed a bit better for
> me symptoms wise.  But the difference was so small
> that
> I could have been imagining any differences... :-)
>
> Marc
>
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> From: Bill Bruno <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Torroids, power strips, etc.
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Tuesday, March 30, 2010, 7:33 AM
> That is a toroidal core in the Furman
> picture, but
> there should be two of them, so  it's probably a
> common mode
> choke (too hard to see if it has 4 connections).
> And what are all these other components?
> The isobars are just chokes and capacitors and one
> over-voltage protector.
>
> This looks like the right kind on ebay:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/Tripp-Lite-Isobar-Ultra-4-Diagnostic-Surge-Suppressor_W0QQitemZ350332712836QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item519174f784
>
> So far the price is pretty good on that item.  Also
> note the
> color is a bit yellowish... the newer ones are more grey.
> If you get one and the switch feels like it can slide
> around,
> it's probably the newer kind with a big non-toroidal choke
> that can touch the switch if the switch moves too much
> (can short out and trip your breaker).
>
> Don't expect miracles but if you need to plug in a dirty
> power
> generator and are going to be somewhere else in the house,
> this kind of thing is worth a try.
>
> Bill
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 7:51 AM, Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
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> >
> > > Do you get a reaction to the brickwall?
> >
> > No, it's just when comparing the Brickwall and
> > the Furman, I thought the Faurman seemed a bit better
> for
> > me symptoms wise. But the difference was so small
> that
> > I could have been imagining any differences... :-)
> >
> > Marc
> > 
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> You can get a new one on amazon with free shipping for around the same
> price. I was thinking of connecting my fridge to one of these. I would use
> the Furman for TV and computer
>
> --- On Tue, 3/30/10, Bill Bruno <[hidden email] <wbruno%40gmail.com>>
> wrote:
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> > From: Bill Bruno <[hidden email] <wbruno%40gmail.com>>
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> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Torroids, power strips, etc.
> > To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: Tuesday, March 30, 2010, 7:33 AM
>
> > That is a toroidal core in the Furman
> > picture, but
> > there should be two of them, so it's probably a
> > common mode
> > choke (too hard to see if it has 4 connections).
> > And what are all these other components?
> > The isobars are just chokes and capacitors and one
> > over-voltage protector.
> >
> > This looks like the right kind on ebay:
> >
> http://cgi.ebay.com/Tripp-Lite-Isobar-Ultra-4-Diagnostic-Surge-Suppressor_W0QQitemZ350332712836QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item519174f784
> >
> > So far the price is pretty good on that item. Also
> > note the
> > color is a bit yellowish... the newer ones are more grey.
> > If you get one and the switch feels like it can slide
> > around,
> > it's probably the newer kind with a big non-toroidal choke
> > that can touch the switch if the switch moves too much
> > (can short out and trip your breaker).
> >
> > Don't expect miracles but if you need to plug in a dirty
> > power
> > generator and are going to be somewhere else in the house,
> > this kind of thing is worth a try.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 7:51 AM, Marc Martin <[hidden email]<marc%40ufoseries.com>
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Do you get a reaction to the brickwall?
> > >
> > > No, it's just when comparing the Brickwall and
> > > the Furman, I thought the Faurman seemed a bit better
> > for
> > > me symptoms wise. But the difference was so small
> > that
> > > I could have been imagining any differences... :-)
> > >
> > > Marc
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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