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Ligure

Is ES an allergy?

So in reading the recent threads I was reminded of some of the same
thoughts and descriptions around food and chemical allergies. I had
thought that they were different things until something someone said
made me think that they may be more related than I originally
considered. And that said I have a question for those that are
explicitly ES. For my background, I think I might be partially due to
my profession (Software Engineer) and excessive ES exposure. I do know
that when I get a new computer I am out for about a week while my body
adjusts to the change for instance.

Therefore, I want to open it for discussion on "ES an allergy?"

Some of my understanding on allergies (I am not an expert but I do
know more than many doctors because of family problems with food
allergies).
* Allergies are something you develop and can overcome. Sometimes it
is time based and exposure in both of these.
* Just being in the vicinity of the substance can cause you problems.
For instance there is someting called a muscle test that you can use
to determine an allergic response.
* It affects the blood and other portions of the body chemistry.
* Despite exposure, not everyone has them.
* From some of my research the main reason for an allergic response
lies in one's body overacting to exposure. Sometimes the metabolic
processes fail to do their job and the immune system tries to attack
the allergen.

Those are very very high level I realize, but I don't have time to
write a paper on it. You can Google it and find information for
yourselves on allergies.

Something I want to ask for those that have considered that ES may be
an allergy, have you tried the following:
1) Avoiding exposure to see if it goes away by letting your body
become stronger?
2) Tried desensitization through controlled exposure?
Those two are conventional medicine approach. The rest are alternative
(which I have found more successful at solving the problem more than
the system)?
3) Tried supplementation of vitamins, mineral, herbs?
4) Tried doing cleanses (i.e. liver, bowel, blood/tissue) through
herbal or homeopathic means?
5) Tried getting dental amalgams replaced?
6) Tried a direct allergy treatment through homeopathic remedies?
7) Tried a direct energetic allergy treatment through NAET, BioSet, etc.?

The latter I find has given the best results in the allergen problem
for folks. I do not know about ES and therefore I am posting here.

I realize that many of you already use devices and personal items
(i.e. neclace) so I have not listed them.

Thanks!

Andrew McAfee

Re: Is ES an allergy?

Welcome to the group. All of these have been talked about and
experimented with on this list.
Would you like some specific feedback regarding your personal
experience or ours?
Andrew
On May 8, 2006, at 3:45 PM, Ligure wrote:

> So in reading the recent threads I was reminded of some of the same
> thoughts and descriptions around food and chemical allergies. I had
> thought that they were different things until something someone said
> made me think that they may be more related than I originally
> considered. And that said I have a question for those that are
> explicitly ES. For my background, I think I might be partially due to
> my profession (Software Engineer) and excessive ES exposure. I do know
> that when I get a new computer I am out for about a week while my body
> adjusts to the change for instance.
>
> Therefore, I want to open it for discussion on "ES an allergy?"
>
> Some of my understanding on allergies (I am not an expert but I do
> know more than many doctors because of family problems with food
> allergies).
> * Allergies are something you develop and can overcome. Sometimes it
> is time based and exposure in both of these.
> * Just being in the vicinity of the substance can cause you problems.
> For instance there is someting called a muscle test that you can use
> to determine an allergic response.
> * It affects the blood and other portions of the body chemistry.
> * Despite exposure, not everyone has them.
> * From some of my research the main reason for an allergic response
> lies in one's body overacting to exposure. Sometimes the metabolic
> processes fail to do their job and the immune system tries to attack
> the allergen.
>
> Those are very very high level I realize, but I don't have time to
> write a paper on it. You can Google it and find information for
> yourselves on allergies.
>
> Something I want to ask for those that have considered that ES may be
> an allergy, have you tried the following:
> 1) Avoiding exposure to see if it goes away by letting your body
> become stronger?
> 2) Tried desensitization through controlled exposure?
> Those two are conventional medicine approach. The rest are alternative
> (which I have found more successful at solving the problem more than
> the system)?
> 3) Tried supplementation of vitamins, mineral, herbs?
> 4) Tried doing cleanses (i.e. liver, bowel, blood/tissue) through
> herbal or homeopathic means?
> 5) Tried getting dental amalgams replaced?
> 6) Tried a direct allergy treatment through homeopathic remedies?
> 7) Tried a direct energetic allergy treatment through NAET, BioSet,
> etc.?
>
> The latter I find has given the best results in the allergen problem
> for folks. I do not know about ES and therefore I am posting here.
>
> I realize that many of you already use devices and personal items
> (i.e. neclace) so I have not listed them.
>
>
> Thanks!
>
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>
>
>
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>
>
>
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>
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tayloka_40

Re: Is ES an allergy?

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A sofware engineer eh? I like you guys. Are you familiar with any of the network protocols
for internet or data trasmission?

I think you could qualify ES as having an allergy type response. But for ES, unfortunately,
the build up, over time, causes a displacement of core body temperature. Asyou sit at
your new computer, the heat causes an outgasing of the plastic residual, and other
components. The symptoms you experience, seeming like an allergy, might be the intial
cellular excitment of heating up. The stuffy nose, watery eyes. These are all initial
symptoms, seemingly allergy related, but similar symptoms are caused by exposure to
chemcial EMF (frequency), gas EMF, and wind EMF.

You have some great suggestions at the bottom of your post. I recommend allof these
and have tried many. The most successful I have been was applying "the hairof the dog
that bit me". Radiant heat at a frequency warm enough to heat the underlayers of derma,
stimulate water. The radiant heat moves so quickly it does not have time toburn the skin.

I use a mineral program with calcium, magnesium, zinc, potassium, B100 (very important).
I have fatty acid and fatty protien support. I use plant fats (marijauna oil from seeds) this
has a high GLA (gamma linoleac acid) which helps to stop the emulsification.

In addition, I use liver support herbs, I use beta carotene to help my skin. I used natural
progesterone for renal support. This really affects your kidneys.

I have even soaked in cecayedes for the prostoglandins on the exoskeleton. Steroid
therapy kind of...the natural way.

Thanks for your input,

Karen

--- In [hidden email], "Ligure" <reiki@...> wrote:

>
> So in reading the recent threads I was reminded of some of the same
> thoughts and descriptions around food and chemical allergies. I had
> thought that they were different things until something someone said
> made me think that they may be more related than I originally
> considered. And that said I have a question for those that are
> explicitly ES. For my background, I think I might be partially due to
> my profession (Software Engineer) and excessive ES exposure. I do know
> that when I get a new computer I am out for about a week while my body
> adjusts to the change for instance.
>
> Therefore, I want to open it for discussion on "ES an allergy?"
>
> Some of my understanding on allergies (I am not an expert but I do
> know more than many doctors because of family problems with food
> allergies).
> * Allergies are something you develop and can overcome. Sometimes it
> is time based and exposure in both of these.
> * Just being in the vicinity of the substance can cause you problems.
> For instance there is someting called a muscle test that you can use
> to determine an allergic response.
> * It affects the blood and other portions of the body chemistry.
> * Despite exposure, not everyone has them.
> * From some of my research the main reason for an allergic response
> lies in one's body overacting to exposure. Sometimes the metabolic
> processes fail to do their job and the immune system tries to attack
> the allergen.
>
> Those are very very high level I realize, but I don't have time to
> write a paper on it. You can Google it and find information for
> yourselves on allergies.
>
> Something I want to ask for those that have considered that ES may be
> an allergy, have you tried the following:
> 1) Avoiding exposure to see if it goes away by letting your body
> become stronger?
> 2) Tried desensitization through controlled exposure?
> Those two are conventional medicine approach. The rest are alternative
> (which I have found more successful at solving the problem more than
> the system)?
> 3) Tried supplementation of vitamins, mineral, herbs?
> 4) Tried doing cleanses (i.e. liver, bowel, blood/tissue) through
> herbal or homeopathic means?
> 5) Tried getting dental amalgams replaced?
> 6) Tried a direct allergy treatment through homeopathic remedies?
> 7) Tried a direct energetic allergy treatment through NAET, BioSet, etc.?
>
> The latter I find has given the best results in the allergen problem
> for folks. I do not know about ES and therefore I am posting here.
>
> I realize that many of you already use devices and personal items
> (i.e. neclace) so I have not listed them.
>
>
> Thanks!
>

Ligure

RE: Is ES an allergy?

In reply to this post by Andrew McAfee

I would like feedback on your experience with some of the questions in my
post if I may.

Thanks!

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From: Andrew McAfee [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 2:54 PM
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Subject: Re: [eSens] Is ES an allergy?

Welcome to the group. All of these have been talked about and
experimented with on this list.
Would you like some specific feedback regarding your personal
experience or ours?
Andrew
On May 8, 2006, at 3:45 PM, Ligure wrote:

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Ligure

Re: Is ES an allergy?

In reply to this post by tayloka_40

I dont know very much about the internals of network protocols as that has
not been required for the programming I do.

OK so what is the hair of the dog that bit me?

Thanks for sharing what you have tried in that arena.

evie15422

Re: Is ES an allergy?

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Hi, Ligure,

I have food intolerances and many allergies. I am also celiac. It might be interesting to note that allergens can create body toxins, that your immune system attacks, quite like pesticides or virus or bacteria. Also, in the immune response, your body produces hormones which themselves can cause waste products to further clog elimination systems, making detoxing more difficult.

What I am saying is I don't believe that ES is an allergy, however, I believe that all allergies cause toxins and toxins are involved in the ES symptoms, some of which are detoxing symptoms and some of which are lymphatic congestion symptoms and some of which are unknown (and possibly EMF reactions--those, if they actually exist, could possibly be allergic symptoms, but I doubt it.)

Diane

Ligure <[hidden email]> wrote:
So in reading the recent threads I was reminded of some of the same
thoughts and descriptions around food and chemical allergies. I had
thought that they were different things until something someone said
made me think that they may be more related than I originally
considered. And that said I have a question for those that are
explicitly ES. For my background, I think I might be partially due to
my profession (Software Engineer) and excessive ES exposure. I do know
that when I get a new computer I am out for about a week while my body
adjusts to the change for instance.

Therefore, I want to open it for discussion on "ES an allergy?"

Some of my understanding on allergies (I am not an expert but I do
know more than many doctors because of family problems with food
allergies).
* Allergies are something you develop and can overcome. Sometimes it
is time based and exposure in both of these.
* Just being in the vicinity of the substance can cause you problems.
For instance there is someting called a muscle test that you can use
to determine an allergic response.
* It affects the blood and other portions of the body chemistry.
* Despite exposure, not everyone has them.
* From some of my research the main reason for an allergic response
lies in one's body overacting to exposure. Sometimes the metabolic
processes fail to do their job and the immune system tries to attack
the allergen.

Those are very very high level I realize, but I don't have time to
write a paper on it. You can Google it and find information for
yourselves on allergies.

Something I want to ask for those that have considered that ES may be
an allergy, have you tried the following:
1) Avoiding exposure to see if it goes away by letting your body
become stronger?
2) Tried desensitization through controlled exposure?
Those two are conventional medicine approach. The rest are alternative
(which I have found more successful at solving the problem more than
the system)?
3) Tried supplementation of vitamins, mineral, herbs?
4) Tried doing cleanses (i.e. liver, bowel, blood/tissue) through
herbal or homeopathic means?
5) Tried getting dental amalgams replaced?
6) Tried a direct allergy treatment through homeopathic remedies?
7) Tried a direct energetic allergy treatment through NAET, BioSet, etc.?

The latter I find has given the best results in the allergen problem
for folks. I do not know about ES and therefore I am posting here.

I realize that many of you already use devices and personal items
(i.e. neclace) so I have not listed them.

Thanks!

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evie15422

RE: Is ES an allergy?

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Hi again, Ligure,

I forgot to answer your questions when I responded about whether ES was an allergy.

1. I do always avoid exposure as I do not want to feel bad and I am already on a detox program to rid my body of toxins, so I do not want added stress due from EMFs.

2. Hmmm.... In the past yes, I have tried controlled exposure. Didn't work for me.

3. Yes, I supplement with many vitamins, minerals, and herbs. And I have seen a huge improvement with many of these. Also negative hydrogen ion water (alkaline) has helped.

4. Yes, cleansing is a regular part of my regimen. It has helped me.

5. Yes, had amalgams removed. Initially I was much worse. Cannot say whether that helped long term or not. I didn't actually improve until I eliminated many foods from my diet and started cleansing and supplements, but that may be because I am a celiac and allergic to glutens. I also had fairly severe xray radiation and various exposures to herbicides and pesticides, as well as an increased susceptibility to virus, bacteria, and fungi due to celiac disease. When I am talking about detoxing, these are what I am detoxing, mainly.

6. I think I tried what you would call homeopathy, but not sure--tried cell salts, tried glandular supplementation, for 2 things. Both helped a little.

7. Didn't try Bioset or NAET.

Diane

Ligure <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Something I want to ask for those that have considered that ES may be
> an allergy, have you tried the following:
> 1) Avoiding exposure to see if it goes away by letting your body
> become stronger?
> 2) Tried desensitization through controlled exposure?
> Those two are conventional medicine approach. The rest are alternative
> (which I have found more successful at solving the problem more than
> the system)?
> 3) Tried supplementation of vitamins, mineral, herbs?
> 4) Tried doing cleanses (i.e. liver, bowel, blood/tissue) through
> herbal or homeopathic means?
> 5) Tried getting dental amalgams replaced?
> 6) Tried a direct allergy treatment through homeopathic remedies?
> 7) Tried a direct energetic allergy treatment through NAET, BioSet,
> etc.?
>
> The latter I find has given the best results in the allergen problem
> for folks. I do not know about ES and therefore I am posting here.
>
> I realize that many of you already use devices and personal items
> (i.e. neclace) so I have not listed them.
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

tayloka_40

Re: Is ES an allergy?

In reply to this post by Ligure

I design system and network infrastructure and architecture within the oil & gas industry
and I had a little exposure to some pretty HOT stuff in a coal mine, Hydrogen Fluoride.

I use a type of Far Infrared heat (radiatioin), just not as hot as the first dose. Not as much
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These are acupressure, massage, moxibustion, and chiropractic delivered through jade
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provides lymphatic stimulation, exercises the spine, promotes enzyme production and
muscle mineral transporation. It also helps circulation and the carrying ofnutrients.

It was critical to my survival after my exposure. The corporation offers free treatment at
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centres.

Karen

--- In [hidden email], "Ligure" <reiki@...> wrote:

>
> I don't know very much about the internals of network protocols as that has
> not been required for the programming I do.
>
>
>
> OK so what is the "hair of the dog that bit me?"
>
>
>
> Thanks for sharing what you have tried in that arena.
>

Ian Kemp

RE: Is ES an allergy?

In reply to this post by evie15422

I think Diane puts it very well. Allergy-type toxins are often implicated
in ES. ES is not strictly speaking an allergy, however we often describe
Sue's condition to other people as "allergic to electrical waves" as people
can identify easily with the sort of problems allergy is likely to cause.
"If you get exposed to a small amount of the irritant, you suffer a bad
reaction", which is a reasonable description of ES.

Generally it seems that people with severe ES have either had severe immune
system problems (e.g. MCS) or prolonged high exposure to electricity (as
recognised officially in Sweden). So if you are a software engineer working
constantly with computers and are beginning to feel symptoms, this could
well be a warning sign for you. It really is an individual thing - I can
work on the computer for hours and days on end, whereas my wife Sue who is
MCS and ES can't come near it. So again in that respect ES behaves like an
allergy, even if theoretically it isn't one.

Ian

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Sent: 09 May 2006 09:55
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [eSens] Is ES an allergy?

Hi, Ligure,

I have food intolerances and many allergies. I am also celiac. It might
be interesting to note that allergens can create body toxins, that your
immune system attacks, quite like pesticides or virus or bacteria. Also, in
the immune response, your body produces hormones which themselves can cause
waste products to further clog elimination systems, making detoxing more
difficult.

What I am saying is I don't believe that ES is an allergy, however, I
believe that all allergies cause toxins and toxins are involved in the ES
symptoms, some of which are detoxing symptoms and some of which are
lymphatic congestion symptoms and some of which are unknown (and possibly
EMF reactions--those, if they actually exist, could possibly be allergic
symptoms, but I doubt it.)

Diane

Ligure <[hidden email]> wrote:
So in reading the recent threads I was reminded of some of the same
thoughts and descriptions around food and chemical allergies. I had
thought that they were different things until something someone said
made me think that they may be more related than I originally
considered. And that said I have a question for those that are
explicitly ES. For my background, I think I might be partially due to
my profession (Software Engineer) and excessive ES exposure. I do know
that when I get a new computer I am out for about a week while my body
adjusts to the change for instance.

Therefore, I want to open it for discussion on "ES an allergy?"

Some of my understanding on allergies (I am not an expert but I do
know more than many doctors because of family problems with food
allergies).
* Allergies are something you develop and can overcome. Sometimes it
is time based and exposure in both of these.
* Just being in the vicinity of the substance can cause you problems.
For instance there is someting called a muscle test that you can use
to determine an allergic response.
* It affects the blood and other portions of the body chemistry.
* Despite exposure, not everyone has them.
* From some of my research the main reason for an allergic response
lies in one's body overacting to exposure. Sometimes the metabolic
processes fail to do their job and the immune system tries to attack
the allergen.

Those are very very high level I realize, but I don't have time to
write a paper on it. You can Google it and find information for
yourselves on allergies.

Something I want to ask for those that have considered that ES may be
an allergy, have you tried the following:
1) Avoiding exposure to see if it goes away by letting your body
become stronger?
2) Tried desensitization through controlled exposure?
Those two are conventional medicine approach. The rest are alternative
(which I have found more successful at solving the problem more than
the system)?
3) Tried supplementation of vitamins, mineral, herbs?
4) Tried doing cleanses (i.e. liver, bowel, blood/tissue) through
herbal or homeopathic means?
5) Tried getting dental amalgams replaced?
6) Tried a direct allergy treatment through homeopathic remedies?
7) Tried a direct energetic allergy treatment through NAET, BioSet, etc.?

The latter I find has given the best results in the allergen problem
for folks. I do not know about ES and therefore I am posting here.

I realize that many of you already use devices and personal items
(i.e. neclace) so I have not listed them.

Thanks!

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Re: Is ES an allergy?

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Hi Ligure,

I wasn't able to reply when you first posted, but similar to what Ian
said; I believe to be a true allergy, histamine must be produced,
which is a reaction to particular amino acids.

Chemical and emf reactions aren't technically allergies as far as I
know, but that does seem to be the easiest way to communicate the
problem to others often.

Something I've been getting around to posting for months, seems like
it might fit here.

Even though these problems make us miserable (not talking true
allergies here), I think actually it shows our bodies are working
properly in that they are saying, "Get me out of here, this stuff is
not good!" Like when you get some food, say milk or meat that is
obviously spoiled, your body reacts, even if just by smell, that is
not good, take it away!

Problem being we can't take it all away, so need to find other
methods of protection and avoidance where possible.

The effects are there for everyone, but some don't realize it yet,
others haven't hit their bodies toxic load yet to knock them upside
the head. :)

Freikanature posted a while back a link to a site designed to help
people get away from it all as much as possible to allow the body
time to heal, restrengthen. Looked like a great program, but for
many of us, we are too sick to even be able to do the required
learning and building to become that self-sufficient. Sounded like
someone really put thought into the whole program though.

I am not familiar with the names NAET and Bioset?

There's lots of supplements to try, one that I've found most useful
in preventing chemical reactions, and lessening emf is the mineral
molybdenum. That is used in the Mu metal shielding you can get for
pcs, and is used in tape decks, car radios etc. at times for reducing
incoming static. My chiropractor had recommended 120mcg. I think it
was 3x a day at the very start! I just went by feel as to reducing
the amount over time. Been out for quite a while, guess I need to
hunt some more down again. Back then I could find it almost nowhere.

~ Snoshoe

--- In [hidden email], "Ian Kemp" <ianandsue.kemp@...> wrote:
>
> Ligure <reiki@...> wrote:
> So in reading the recent threads I was reminded of some of the
same
> thoughts and descriptions around food and chemical allergies. I had
> thought that they were different things until something someone said
> made me think that they may be more related than I originally
> considered. And that said I have a question for those that are
> explicitly ES. For my background, I think I might be partially due
to
> my profession (Software Engineer) and excessive ES exposure. I do
know
> that when I get a new computer I am out for about a week while my
body

> adjusts to the change for instance.
>
> Therefore, I want to open it for discussion on "ES an allergy?"
>
> Some of my understanding on allergies (I am not an expert but I do
> know more than many doctors because of family problems with food
> allergies).
> * Allergies are something you develop and can overcome. Sometimes it
> is time based and exposure in both of these.
> * Just being in the vicinity of the substance can cause you

problems.

> For instance there is someting called a muscle test that you can use
> to determine an allergic response.
> * It affects the blood and other portions of the body chemistry.
> * Despite exposure, not everyone has them.
> * From some of my research the main reason for an allergic response
> lies in one's body overacting to exposure. Sometimes the metabolic
> processes fail to do their job and the immune system tries to attack
> the allergen.
>
> Those are very very high level I realize, but I don't have time to
> write a paper on it. You can Google it and find information for
> yourselves on allergies.
>
> Something I want to ask for those that have considered that ES may

evie15422

Re: Is ES an allergy?

Hi, Snoshoe,

I found a liquid molybdenum supplement recently. I haven't tried it yet,right now I am taking tabs from Carlson Laboratories. I found it at www.vitaminshoppe.com It is made by Nutricology/Allergy Research. Thought the liquid would make it easier to take the correct dose for me.

My best,
Diane

snoshoe_2 <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi Ligure,

I wasn't able to reply when you first posted, but similar to what Ian
said; I believe to be a true allergy, histamine must be produced,
which is a reaction to particular amino acids.

Chemical and emf reactions aren't technically allergies as far as I
know, but that does seem to be the easiest way to communicate the
problem to others often.

Something I've been getting around to posting for months, seems like
it might fit here.

Even though these problems make us miserable (not talking true
allergies here), I think actually it shows our bodies are working
properly in that they are saying, "Get me out of here, this stuff is
not good!" Like when you get some food, say milk or meat that is
obviously spoiled, your body reacts, even if just by smell, that is
not good, take it away!

Problem being we can't take it all away, so need to find other
methods of protection and avoidance where possible.

The effects are there for everyone, but some don't realize it yet,
others haven't hit their bodies toxic load yet to knock them upside
the head. :)

Freikanature posted a while back a link to a site designed to help
people get away from it all as much as possible to allow the body
time to heal, restrengthen. Looked like a great program, but for
many of us, we are too sick to even be able to do the required
learning and building to become that self-sufficient. Sounded like
someone really put thought into the whole program though.

I am not familiar with the names NAET and Bioset?

There's lots of supplements to try, one that I've found most useful
in preventing chemical reactions, and lessening emf is the mineral
molybdenum. That is used in the Mu metal shielding you can get for
pcs, and is used in tape decks, car radios etc. at times for reducing
incoming static. My chiropractor had recommended 120mcg. I think it
was 3x a day at the very start! I just went by feel as to reducing
the amount over time. Been out for quite a while, guess I need to
hunt some more down again. Back then I could find it almost nowhere.

~ Snoshoe

--- In [hidden email], "Ian Kemp" <ianandsue.kemp@...> wrote:
>
> Ligure <reiki@...> wrote:
> So in reading the recent threads I was reminded of some of the
same
> thoughts and descriptions around food and chemical allergies. I had
> thought that they were different things until something someone said
> made me think that they may be more related than I originally
> considered. And that said I have a question for those that are
> explicitly ES. For my background, I think I might be partially due
to
> my profession (Software Engineer) and excessive ES exposure. I do
know
> that when I get a new computer I am out for about a week while my
body

problems.

be
> an allergy, have you tried the following:
> 1) Avoiding exposure to see if it goes away by letting your body
> become stronger?
> 2) Tried desensitization through controlled exposure?
> Those two are conventional medicine approach. The rest are
alternative
> (which I have found more successful at solving the problem more than
> the system)?
> 3) Tried supplementation of vitamins, mineral, herbs?
> 4) Tried doing cleanses (i.e. liver, bowel, blood/tissue) through
> herbal or homeopathic means?
> 5) Tried getting dental amalgams replaced?
> 6) Tried a direct allergy treatment through homeopathic remedies?
> 7) Tried a direct energetic allergy treatment through NAET, BioSet,
etc.?
>
> The latter I find has given the best results in the allergen problem
> for folks. I do not know about ES and therefore I am posting here.
>
> I realize that many of you already use devices and personal items
> (i.e. neclace) so I have not listed them.
>
>
> Thanks!

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Re: Is ES an allergy? (Explanation part 1)

In reply to this post by snoshoe_2

Let me speak of allergies at a different level.

First of before getting to that level some explanation on how allergies
work is
in in order. There are two know pathways the immune system responds to an
allergen. One is immediate (i.e. a bee sting in some can lead to an
anaphylactic reaction, and in some even the smell of lobster or the kiss frolm
a boyfriend who just ate peanuts can kill them in minutes). The other pathway
is a gradual thing that the body can take on as if by taking on a load. It can
be compared to a cup of water. One allergen may fill the cup a little bit. But
the body's immune system can gradually process that amount in the cup over
time. But while the body is processing (metabolizing) that part you get
exposure to more of the same allergen or another allergen that causes the cup
to fill up some more. This can continue until the cup is overfilled. It is at
the point of overfilling that one shows symptoms. This is where there is too
much for the body's ability to handle the load. This is the point at which you
get the histamine reaction. The lack of a histamine reaction does not mean
there is an absense of allergic response. It just means that your body can
handle the load given to it. Now the body responds in a way ot get the
allergen/toxin out as best it can. The elimination pathways in preferred order
are bowels, liver, urinary, lungs, and skin. If you are seeing skin
inflamation
(in the form of eczema, psoriasis, acne, etc.) it is because the toxic
load was
too great for the previous pathways of elimination. This is why many receive
relief of their allergens (as well as some on this list who have tried it)
through doing cleanses of the previos pathways (i.e. bowel, liver, urinary).

Part 2 (the next level) coming...

Quoting snoshoe_2 <[hidden email]>:

> Hi Ligure,
>
> I wasn't able to reply when you first posted, but similar to what Ian
>
> said; I believe to be a true allergy, histamine must be produced,
> which is a reaction to particular amino acids.
>
> Chemical and emf reactions aren't technically allergies as far as I
> know, but that does seem to be the easiest way to communicate the
> problem to others often.
>
> Something I've been getting around to posting for months, seems like
> it might fit here.
>
> Even though these problems make us miserable (not talking true
> allergies here), I think actually it shows our bodies are working
> properly in that they are saying, "Get me out of here, this stuff is
> not good!" Like when you get some food, say milk or meat that is
> obviously spoiled, your body reacts, even if just by smell, that is
> not good, take it away!
>
> Problem being we can't take it all away, so need to find other
> methods of protection and avoidance where possible.
>
> The effects are there for everyone, but some don't realize it yet,
> others haven't hit their bodies toxic load yet to knock them upside
> the head. :)
>
> Freikanature posted a while back a link to a site designed to help
> people get away from it all as much as possible to allow the body
> time to heal, restrengthen. Looked like a great program, but for
> many of us, we are too sick to even be able to do the required
> learning and building to become that self-sufficient. Sounded like
> someone really put thought into the whole program though.
>
> I am not familiar with the names NAET and Bioset?
>
> There's lots of supplements to try, one that I've found most useful
> in preventing chemical reactions, and lessening emf is the mineral
> molybdenum. That is used in the Mu metal shielding you can get for
> pcs, and is used in tape decks, car radios etc. at times for reducing
>
> incoming static. My chiropractor had recommended 120mcg. I think it
> was 3x a day at the very start! I just went by feel as to reducing
> the amount over time. Been out for quite a while, guess I need to
> hunt some more down again. Back then I could find it almost nowhere.
>
> ~ Snoshoe
>
> --- In [hidden email], "Ian Kemp" <ianandsue.kemp@...> wrote:
>>
>> Ligure <reiki@...> wrote:
>> So in reading the recent threads I was reminded of some of the
> same
>> thoughts and descriptions around food and chemical allergies. I had
>> thought that they were different things until something someone
> said
>> made me think that they may be more related than I originally
>> considered. And that said I have a question for those that are
>> explicitly ES. For my background, I think I might be partially due
> to
>> my profession (Software Engineer) and excessive ES exposure. I do
> know
>> that when I get a new computer I am out for about a week while my
> body
>> adjusts to the change for instance.
>>
>> Therefore, I want to open it for discussion on "ES an allergy?"
>>
>> Some of my understanding on allergies (I am not an expert but I do
>> know more than many doctors because of family problems with food
>> allergies).
>> * Allergies are something you develop and can overcome. Sometimes
> it
>> is time based and exposure in both of these.
>> * Just being in the vicinity of the substance can cause you
> problems.
>> For instance there is someting called a muscle test that you can
> use
>> to determine an allergic response.
>> * It affects the blood and other portions of the body chemistry.
>> * Despite exposure, not everyone has them.
>> * From some of my research the main reason for an allergic response
>> lies in one's body overacting to exposure. Sometimes the metabolic
>> processes fail to do their job and the immune system tries to
> attack
>> the allergen.
>>
>> Those are very very high level I realize, but I don't have time to
>> write a paper on it. You can Google it and find information for
>> yourselves on allergies.
>>
>> Something I want to ask for those that have considered that ES may
> be
>> an allergy, have you tried the following:
>> 1) Avoiding exposure to see if it goes away by letting your body
>> become stronger?
>> 2) Tried desensitization through controlled exposure?
>> Those two are conventional medicine approach. The rest are
> alternative
>> (which I have found more successful at solving the problem more
> than
>> the system)?
>> 3) Tried supplementation of vitamins, mineral, herbs?
>> 4) Tried doing cleanses (i.e. liver, bowel, blood/tissue) through
>> herbal or homeopathic means?
>> 5) Tried getting dental amalgams replaced?
>> 6) Tried a direct allergy treatment through homeopathic remedies?
>> 7) Tried a direct energetic allergy treatment through NAET, BioSet,
>
> etc.?
>>
>> The latter I find has given the best results in the allergen
> problem
>> for folks. I do not know about ES and therefore I am posting here.
>>
>> I realize that many of you already use devices and personal items
>> (i.e. neclace) so I have not listed them.
>>
>>
>> Thanks!
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Re: Is ES an allergy?

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> I wasn't able to reply when you first posted, but similar to what Ian
> said; I believe to be a true allergy, histamine must be produced,
> which is a reaction to particular amino acids.

Actually, sometimes when I sit down in front of my home computer,
I will (if I don't have my Springlife Polarizer with me) start
sneezing and get a runny nose. I think the EMF weakens my
immune system just enough that my regular allergies get
noticeably worse.

Marc

Andrew McAfee

Re: Is ES an allergy?

If I recall accurately, Olle Johansson said that EMF radiation effects
the mast cells which release histamine.
Andrew

On May 12, 2006, at 2:46 PM, Marc Martin wrote:

>> I wasn't able to reply when you first posted, but similar to what Ian
>> said; I believe to be a true allergy, histamine must be produced,
>> which is a reaction to particular amino acids.
>
> Actually, sometimes when I sit down in front of my home computer,
> I will (if I don't have my Springlife Polarizer with me) start
> sneezing and get a runny nose. I think the EMF weakens my
> immune system just enough that my regular allergies get
> noticeably worse.
>
> Marc
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Ligure

Re: Is ES an allergy? (Explanation part 2)

In reply to this post by Ligure

And now the different level.

Given that the body has a means of taking care of its allergen/toxic
load (part
1), why did it accumulate the load in the first place? Or more to the
point why
do some folks have an allergy to some substance while others do not? These
questions have plagued me.

So, the body responds to an allergen because it was trained to do so. This may
seem strange (at least it did to me) considering that there are many people's
bodies which do not adversely respond to a given allergen (i.e. wheat) while
others have a problem with it. How did the body acquire such an adverse
response? Some might say genetics. I am going to lay that one aside just
because that is the typical catchall when the "expoerts" don't know the
answer.
It may be the "answer" in some cases, but there or other answers that can be
found before we throw in the genetic towel.

How else was the body trained? Simple explanations are in order.

Prolonged exposure, over exposure, or exposure at the wrong place
It often happens that where at one time one has no allergic response to
something to discover one day that they can no longer tolerate it. This occurs
because the immune system got engaged at a deeper level than it once needed to
or "decided" to engage the substance in an adversarial fashion. One example of
this is the "leaky gut" syndrome. If the digestive system does not metabolize
the bread and break its proteins down into amino acids, the immune system will
engage the proteins as if they were foreign substances and develop an allergy.
I because allergic to calcium and B12 in this way. And both of these
are needed
by the body.

Immune system is weak during exposure
This can happen by weakened associaiton. For instance if you are weakened by
exposure to some chemical and you are eating bread during that exposure, your
immune system may mistakenly react to the bread. The weakness may not be
physical even. It could be emotional,

I am sure there are other ways of training, but they are similar.

Now the question is how to "untrain" the response.

This is where the next level begins. Through energetic-type of medicine like
NAET and Bioset the body's immune system is retaught to no longer consider a
substance as an allergen. It sort of makes peace with the allergen and
turns it
into a peacable neighbor. So instead of having an attacking type of response
which leads to histamine reactions and thus cascade into an allergic response
it allow the substance to coexist and even just pass on through the
body if the
substance is of no use.

Now this energetic medicine goes to the level that your body's "field"
can tell
when it comes in proximity to a substances "field" what that substance it. If
your body does not want that substance (i.e. allergic response), it will begin
to respond accordingly.

More later...

evie15422

Re: Is ES an allergy? (Explanation part 2)

Hi, Ligure,

My understanding of allergies is much different than yours. It was explained to me that we aquire allergies when our bodies cannot break down the components of a particular food or chemical, etc, into a usable unit. Anything that is not usable AND gets into the blood stream is considered by the body to be an antigen. Our immune systems are encoded to attack antigens. Foreign substances get into our blood streams via tight junctions (like bricks in a wall, which form the wall of the gut, for instance) which are usually closed and are supposed to be closed, but react to glutens and a few other things by opening. (I have read that EMFs cause tight junctions to open.) As a celiac I am aware of this because celiacs have tight junctions which stay open not only in the small intestine, but in the blood brain barrier and lungs. (Some say also the heart.) This is why celiacs have such a high incidence of auto-immune disease--the immune system is always attacking something
or other, usually undigested food particles.

Our bodies cannot use many nutrients without "carriers" which escort each assigned nutrient across the intestinal wall at particular sites. B12, for instance, which you mention having problems with, is assigned a particular site where it crosses and this is also one of the first sites to be damaged in celiac disease or from gluten intolerance. The site for calcium is also one of the first to be damaged by gluten intolerance and cd. It sounds to me like you do not have an allergy to either of these, but instead have gluten intolerance or celiac disease. In celiac disease, you must not eat any glutens which are contained in wheat, rye, barley, and oats (by contamination). Nor can you eat any derivitives of these. In 6 months or so of avoidance, your small intestine will begin to heal and this will cure you of your "allergy" to B12 and calcium. I had problems with these nutrients as well. When I was finally dxed with cd, I had osteoporosis from calcium deficiency and
a dexa scan of -3.50. Two years after going glutenfree, my dexa score had improved to +1.75.

I am not saying that NAET or Bioset cannot work (I know nothing of either, btw). But if they work they do it on a different principal than simply "retraining". What exactly is NAET and Bioset? Have these worked, for instance, for your allergies to B12 and calcium?

Diane

Ligure <[hidden email]> wrote:
And now the different level.

Given that the body has a means of taking care of its allergen/toxic
load (part
1), why did it accumulate the load in the first place? Or more to the
point why
do some folks have an allergy to some substance while others do not? These
questions have plagued me.

So, the body responds to an allergen because it was trained to do so. This may
seem strange (at least it did to me) considering that there are many people's
bodies which do not adversely respond to a given allergen (i.e. wheat) while
others have a problem with it. How did the body acquire such an adverse
response? Some might say genetics. I am going to lay that one aside just
because that is the typical catchall when the "expoerts" don't know the
answer.
It may be the "answer" in some cases, but there or other answers that can be
found before we throw in the genetic towel.

How else was the body trained? Simple explanations are in order.

Prolonged exposure, over exposure, or exposure at the wrong place
It often happens that where at one time one has no allergic response to
something to discover one day that they can no longer tolerate it. This occurs
because the immune system got engaged at a deeper level than it once needed to
or "decided" to engage the substance in an adversarial fashion. One example of
this is the "leaky gut" syndrome. If the digestive system does not metabolize
the bread and break its proteins down into amino acids, the immune system will
engage the proteins as if they were foreign substances and develop an allergy.
I because allergic to calcium and B12 in this way. And both of these
are needed
by the body.

Immune system is weak during exposure
This can happen by weakened associaiton. For instance if you are weakened by
exposure to some chemical and you are eating bread during that exposure, your
immune system may mistakenly react to the bread. The weakness may not be
physical even. It could be emotional,

I am sure there are other ways of training, but they are similar.

Now the question is how to "untrain" the response.

This is where the next level begins. Through energetic-type of medicine like
NAET and Bioset the body's immune system is retaught to no longer consider a
substance as an allergen. It sort of makes peace with the allergen and
turns it
into a peacable neighbor. So instead of having an attacking type of response
which leads to histamine reactions and thus cascade into an allergic response
it allow the substance to coexist and even just pass on through the
body if the
substance is of no use.

Now this energetic medicine goes to the level that your body's "field"
can tell
when it comes in proximity to a substances "field" what that substance it. If
your body does not want that substance (i.e. allergic response), it will begin
to respond accordingly.

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evie15422

Re: Is ES an allergy? (Explanation part 2)

Hi again, Ligure and All,

I should have explained that this was a very simplistic explanation of how we form allergies. There is of course much more to it than what I explained. For one thing, we are not allergic to things the first time our body experiences them. On the first encounter, the body just accesses whatever the substance is and what it does. It is the second encounter with the antigen that gets the guns.

Diane

Evie <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi, Ligure,

My understanding of allergies is much different than yours. It was explained to me that we aquire allergies when our bodies cannot break down the components of a particular food or chemical, etc, into a usable unit.

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Re: NAET

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> I am not saying that NAET or Bioset cannot work (I know nothing of either, btw).

Note that I've received one email in the past from someone who
said that NAET cured their ES, to the point where they could
use a computer 10+ hours a day without problems.

I've never tried NAET myself.

Marc

snoshoe_2

Re: Is ES an allergy? (Explanation part 2)

In reply to this post by Ligure

Something I meant to add earlier;

Allergies to organic substances at least, cannot occur if the adrenal
glands are in proper working order. There is treatment for that, if
the willing Dr. is found. The book on the how to is called "Goodbye
Allergies".

For some time they've been working on simulating aromas that can be
had via pc. Suppose to be if it has the right frequencies, it will
smell like the real deal, or close. If the frequency is actually the
same as the allergen I have suspected it could cause an allergic type
reaction in the sniffee. :) Body only has so many pathways, and it
may see that as an incoming offender, like Marc's sneezing, it might
trigger something that way, or ???

There is a lot to be said for energetic medicine too.

~ Snoshoe

--- In [hidden email], Ligure <reiki@...> wrote:
>
> And now the different level.
>
> Given that the body has a means of taking care of its
allergen/toxic
> load (part
> 1), why did it accumulate the load in the first place? Or more to
the
> point why
> do some folks have an allergy to some substance while others do
not? These
> questions have plagued me.
>
> So, the body responds to an allergen because it was trained to do
so. This may
> seem strange (at least it did to me) considering that there are
many people's
> bodies which do not adversely respond to a given allergen (i.e.
wheat) while
> others have a problem with it. How did the body acquire such an
adverse
> response? Some might say genetics. I am going to lay that one aside
just
> because that is the typical catchall when the "expoerts" don't know
the
> answer.
> It may be the "answer" in some cases, but there or other answers
that can be
> found before we throw in the genetic towel.
>
> How else was the body trained? Simple explanations are in order.
>
> Prolonged exposure, over exposure, or exposure at the wrong place
> It often happens that where at one time one has no allergic
response to
> something to discover one day that they can no longer tolerate it.
This occurs
> because the immune system got engaged at a deeper level than it
once needed to
> or "decided" to engage the substance in an adversarial fashion. One
example of
> this is the "leaky gut" syndrome. If the digestive system does not
metabolize
> the bread and break its proteins down into amino acids, the immune
system will
> engage the proteins as if they were foreign substances and develop
an allergy.
> I because allergic to calcium and B12 in this way. And both of
these
> are needed
> by the body.
>
> Immune system is weak during exposure
> This can happen by weakened associaiton. For instance if you are
weakened by
> exposure to some chemical and you are eating bread during that
exposure, your
> immune system may mistakenly react to the bread. The weakness may
not be
> physical even. It could be emotional,
>
> I am sure there are other ways of training, but they are similar.
>
> Now the question is how to "untrain" the response.
>
> This is where the next level begins. Through energetic-type of
medicine like
> NAET and Bioset the body's immune system is retaught to no longer
consider a
> substance as an allergen. It sort of makes peace with the allergen
and
> turns it
> into a peacable neighbor. So instead of having an attacking type of
response
> which leads to histamine reactions and thus cascade into an
allergic response
> it allow the substance to coexist and even just pass on through the
> body if the
> substance is of no use.
>
> Now this energetic medicine goes to the level that your
body's "field"
> can tell
> when it comes in proximity to a substances "field" what that
substance it. If
> your body does not want that substance (i.e. allergic response), it
will begin
> to respond accordingly.
>
> More later...
>

Ligure

Re: Is ES an allergy? (Explanation part 2)

In reply to this post by evie15422

Diane,

I was trying to say the same thing you described here. Perhaps I came off
the wrong way. So I think we are in alignment on the celiac way of acquiring
an allergy. Basically the digestive system allows things (proteins) to pass
through the walls that it should have broken down further (i.e. to amino
acids). Celiac disease is one form of this problem. Generically this is
called leaky gut syndrome. Not to be confused with Montezumas revenge.
;-) It is leaky in that the unbroken down substance leaks from the GI tract
to the bloodstream and thus is engaged by the immune system.

I had been tested for celiac (as I recall) and did not have the problem. I
suspected a calcium allergy and B12 allergy due to research and it was
confirmed through a NAET practitioner. They also cleared it up. However they
only cleared those up and not what I am leading to which is a possible
allergy to EMF or as I have found on this group electrosmog (sp?). I like
that term.

Ligure

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From: Evie [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 8:47 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Is ES an allergy? (Explanation part 2)

Hi, Ligure,

My understanding of allergies is much different than yours. It was
explained to me that we aquire allergies when our bodies cannot break down
the components of a particular food or chemical, etc, into a usable unit.
Anything that is not usable AND gets into the blood stream is considered by
the body to be an antigen. Our immune systems are encoded to attack
antigens. Foreign substances get into our blood streams via tight junctions
(like bricks in a wall, which form the wall of the gut, for instance) which
are usually closed and are supposed to be closed, but react to glutens and a
few other things by opening. (I have read that EMFs cause tight junctions
to open.) As a celiac I am aware of this because celiacs have tight
junctions which stay open not only in the small intestine, but in the blood
brain barrier and lungs. (Some say also the heart.) This is why celiacs
have such a high incidence of auto-immune disease--the immune system is
always attacking something
or other, usually undigested food particles.

Our bodies cannot use many nutrients without "carriers" which escort each
assigned nutrient across the intestinal wall at particular sites. B12, for
instance, which you mention having problems with, is assigned a particular
site where it crosses and this is also one of the first sites to be damaged
in celiac disease or from gluten intolerance. The site for calcium is also
one of the first to be damaged by gluten intolerance and cd. It sounds to
me like you do not have an allergy to either of these, but instead have
gluten intolerance or celiac disease. In celiac disease, you must not eat
any glutens which are contained in wheat, rye, barley, and oats (by
contamination). Nor can you eat any derivitives of these. In 6 months or
so of avoidance, your small intestine will begin to heal and this will cure
you of your "allergy" to B12 and calcium. I had problems with these
nutrients as well. When I was finally dxed with cd, I had osteoporosis from
calcium deficiency and
a dexa scan of -3.50. Two years after going glutenfree, my dexa score had
improved to +1.75.

I am not saying that NAET or Bioset cannot work (I know nothing of either,
btw). But if they work they do it on a different principal than simply
"retraining". What exactly is NAET and Bioset? Have these worked, for
instance, for your allergies to B12 and calcium?

Diane

Ligure <[hidden email]> wrote:
And now the different level.

Given that the body has a means of taking care of its allergen/toxic
load (part
1), why did it accumulate the load in the first place? Or more to the
point why
do some folks have an allergy to some substance while others do not? These
questions have plagued me.

So, the body responds to an allergen because it was trained to do so. This
may
seem strange (at least it did to me) considering that there are many
people's
bodies which do not adversely respond to a given allergen (i.e. wheat) while
others have a problem with it. How did the body acquire such an adverse
response? Some might say genetics. I am going to lay that one aside just
because that is the typical catchall when the "expoerts" don't know the
answer.
It may be the "answer" in some cases, but there or other answers that can be
found before we throw in the genetic towel.

How else was the body trained? Simple explanations are in order.

Prolonged exposure, over exposure, or exposure at the wrong place
It often happens that where at one time one has no allergic response to
something to discover one day that they can no longer tolerate it. This
occurs
because the immune system got engaged at a deeper level than it once needed
to
or "decided" to engage the substance in an adversarial fashion. One example
of
this is the "leaky gut" syndrome. If the digestive system does not
metabolize
the bread and break its proteins down into amino acids, the immune system
will
engage the proteins as if they were foreign substances and develop an
allergy.
I because allergic to calcium and B12 in this way. And both of these
are needed
by the body.

Immune system is weak during exposure
This can happen by weakened associaiton. For instance if you are weakened by
exposure to some chemical and you are eating bread during that exposure,
your
immune system may mistakenly react to the bread. The weakness may not be
physical even. It could be emotional,

I am sure there are other ways of training, but they are similar.

Now the question is how to "untrain" the response.

This is where the next level begins. Through energetic-type of medicine like
NAET and Bioset the body's immune system is retaught to no longer consider a
substance as an allergen. It sort of makes peace with the allergen and
turns it
into a peacable neighbor. So instead of having an attacking type of response
which leads to histamine reactions and thus cascade into an allergic
response
it allow the substance to coexist and even just pass on through the
body if the
substance is of no use.

Now this energetic medicine goes to the level that your body's "field"
can tell
when it comes in proximity to a substances "field" what that substance it.
If
your body does not want that substance (i.e. allergic response), it will
begin
to respond accordingly.

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