Is ES an allergy?

Marc,



I came across that post in the files section and recall that it was NMT they
used which they say was derived from NAET. I guess I would say loosely
derived as I understand the NMT. I am not saying that NAET would be the best
treatment it was just the first East meets West energetic medicine that
treated allergies successfully. Some of its derivatives have higher success
rates while Dr. N. (the founder of NAET) will not consider approaches that
vary from hers.



Ligure



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From: Marc Martin [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 9:11 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [eSens] NAET



> I am not saying that NAET or Bioset cannot work (I know nothing of either,
btw).

Note that I've received one email in the past from someone who
said that NAET cured their ES, to the point where they could
use a computer 10+ hours a day without problems.

I've never tried NAET myself.

Marc



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Snoshoe,

 

“Proper working order” is a good way of putting it. If they are overactive
this could lead to an overactive immune response and if they are underactive
this could lead to a suboptimal response. It is my understanding that both
states in a prolonged period can lead to an allergic formation.

 

Ligure

 

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From: snoshoe_2 [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 9:15 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [eSens] Re: Is ES an allergy? (Explanation part 2)

 

Something I meant to add earlier;

Allergies to organic substances at least, cannot occur if the adrenal
glands are in proper working order. There is treatment for that, if
the willing Dr. is found. The book on the how to is called "Goodbye
Allergies".

For some time they've been working on simulating aromas that can be
had via pc. Suppose to be if it has the right frequencies, it will
smell like the real deal, or close. If the frequency is actually the
same as the allergen I have suspected it could cause an allergic type
reaction in the sniffee. :) Body only has so many pathways, and it
may see that as an incoming offender, like Marc's sneezing, it might
trigger something that way, or ???

There is a lot to be said for energetic medicine too.

~ Snoshoe

--- In [hidden email], Ligure <reiki@...> wrote:
>
> And now the different level.
>
> Given that the body has a means of taking care of its
allergen/toxic
> load (part
> 1), why did it accumulate the load in the first place? Or more to
the
> point why
> do some folks have an allergy to some substance while others do
not? These
> questions have plagued me.
>
> So, the body responds to an allergen because it was trained to do
so. This may
> seem strange (at least it did to me) considering that there are
many people's
> bodies which do not adversely respond to a given allergen (i.e.
wheat) while
> others have a problem with it. How did the body acquire such an
adverse
> response? Some might say genetics. I am going to lay that one aside
just
> because that is the typical catchall when the "expoerts" don't know
the
> answer.
> It may be the "answer" in some cases, but there or other answers
that can be
> found before we throw in the genetic towel.
>
> How else was the body trained? Simple explanations are in order.
>
> Prolonged exposure, over exposure, or exposure at the wrong place
> It often happens that where at one time one has no allergic
response to
> something to discover one day that they can no longer tolerate it.
This occurs
> because the immune system got engaged at a deeper level than it
once needed to
> or "decided" to engage the substance in an adversarial fashion. One
example of
> this is the "leaky gut" syndrome. If the digestive system does not
metabolize
> the bread and break its proteins down into amino acids, the immune
system will
> engage the proteins as if they were foreign substances and develop
an allergy.
> I because allergic to calcium and B12 in this way. And both of
these
> are needed
> by the body.
>
> Immune system is weak during exposure
> This can happen by weakened associaiton. For instance if you are
weakened by
> exposure to some chemical and you are eating bread during that
exposure, your
> immune system may mistakenly react to the bread. The weakness may
not be
> physical even. It could be emotional,
>
> I am sure there are other ways of training, but they are similar.
>
> Now the question is how to "untrain" the response.
>
> This is where the next level begins. Through energetic-type of
medicine like
> NAET and Bioset the body's immune system is retaught to no longer
consider a
> substance as an allergen. It sort of makes peace with the allergen
and
> turns it
> into a peacable neighbor. So instead of having an attacking type of
response
> which leads to histamine reactions and thus cascade into an
allergic response
> it allow the substance to coexist and even just pass on through the
> body if the
> substance is of no use.
>
> Now this energetic medicine goes to the level that your
body's "field"
> can tell
> when it comes in proximity to a substances "field" what that
substance it. If
> your body does not want that substance (i.e. allergic response), it
will begin
> to respond accordingly.
>
> More later...
>







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> I came across that post in the files section and recall that it was NMT they
> used which they say was derived from NAET.

That could be -- NMT is claimed by some to be better, faster, cheaper
than NAET.

Marc

Given the principle that when current is flowing an EMF is emitted it can be
said that the body emits an EMF as well. This field interacts with things
(particularly other fields) with which it comes in contact. The principle of
induction suggests that the body’s EMF can be affected by another field and
this would therefore cascade into the currents within the body. Now given
that current is simply the flow/movement of electrons and the flow of
electrons creates EMF, EMFs are emitted by all things. In fact in quantum
physics they describe matter as a field at times. Matter just happens to be
a field that has a stronger force (to repel other matter) than other fields.
That may be a lot to understand or accept. Some is theory and some is
incredibly fascinating.

 

For instance they have proven (and I can’t recall the principle now) thatif
you do something to affect the polarity (or spin) of an atom in one side of
the room that a matching atom (sent from the same source) is also affected
even though there is no understood connection between the two. I’ll have to
look that one up for those who are interested. This suggests that there is a
certain interconnectedness of all things to some degree or another. I submit
this interconnectedness is related to these fields whether subtle or not.

 

In energy medicine, they suggest that our body can manipulate and is
affected by subtle energy. They don’t say it, but I would say subtle energy
_field_ or EMF. So when your body comes within the influence of a field of
another substance say wheat, your body will respond to it. Again that one
way that the method of muscle testing works. It has been shown on many
occasions that if an allergen is held near the body the muscle test will be
weak. And if there is a weakness in the body (i.e. the adrenals or liver or
ES) and a substance that the body could use to strengthen it is held near
the body (i.e. Earthcalm) a once weak muscle test will now be strong. Try it
sometime if you haven’t done so. It will blow you away. A caution: if not
done correctly you may be falsely disappointed with the results. When the
substance is held near the body the induction of the substance’s EMF affects
the body’s EMF. This may cause the body to accept the substance or to put
shields up and go to red alert. This depends on whether the body’s defense
systems have been trained to react passively or offensively.

 

So given all that when I sit in front of this computer screen typing this
message, my body’s EMF is affected by the EMF of the computer. The
computer’s EMF is inducing something within my own field. Is my body
responding passively and thus the computer’s EMF is not affecting me or is
it causing a shields up and red alert response. This is where the question
of whether ES is an allergy or not arises. I am not sure it can be answered
here or not.

 

But IF it is an allergy, then can NAET, Bioset, or even NMT be used to treat
it. Apparently at least one person in this community has found it that NMT
worked for them.

 

So since the question has been asked multiple times and a web search has not
produced results for those with the question, I will briefly answer what
NAET and Bioset are.

 

NAET was first discovered by Dr. Nambudripad and stand’s for Nambudripad's
Allergy Elimination Techniques. It is based on energy medicine that uses
acupressure along key points on the meridians of the body while the patient
is holding the allergen. Results can be seen in as soon as a single
treatment to as many as six to twelve (for a single allergen). The types of
allergens that are treated are usually whole items like wheat, apple, milk,
etc.

HYPERLINK "http://www.naet.com/"http://www.naet.com/

 

BioSet was developed by Ellen Cutler who studied under Dr. Nambudripad and
then added some of her own stuff like enzyme therapy and a different types
of allergens that are treated. This technique uses different acupressure
points along the meridians and treats types of allergens such as blood,
organs, nutrients, and if these building blocks don’t take care of the
allergy then the whole items are done. She has written some books. I have a
couple of them and this is where I found that I may have been allergic to
calcium and B12. She even discovered someone who was allergic to water. Now
that has got to be a problem.

HYPERLINK
"http://www.bioset-institute.com/about/bioset.asp"http://www.bioset-institut
e.com/about/bioset.asp

 

I know little about NMT other than the website.

HYPERLINK
"http://www.neuromodulationtechnique.com/"http://www.neuromodulationtechniqu
e.com/

 

Energy medicine could go deeper than this but this is enough for this group.

 

Now back to the question: Is ES an allergy? If you did not think so before,
do you think so now? Did this explanation confuse you?

 

Ligure

 

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From: Ligure [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 12:25 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Is ES an allergy? (Explanation part 2)

 

And now the different level.

Given that the body has a means of taking care of its allergen/toxic
load (part
1), why did it accumulate the load in the first place? Or more to the
point why
do some folks have an allergy to some substance while others do not? These
questions have plagued me.

So, the body responds to an allergen because it was trained to do so. This
may
seem strange (at least it did to me) considering that there are many
people's
bodies which do not adversely respond to a given allergen (i.e. wheat) while
others have a problem with it. How did the body acquire such an adverse
response? Some might say genetics. I am going to lay that one aside just
because that is the typical catchall when the "expoerts" don't know the
answer.
It may be the "answer" in some cases, but there or other answers that can be
found before we throw in the genetic towel.

How else was the body trained? Simple explanations are in order.

Prolonged exposure, over exposure, or exposure at the wrong place
It often happens that where at one time one has no allergic response to
something to discover one day that they can no longer tolerate it. This
occurs
because the immune system got engaged at a deeper level than it once needed
to
or "decided" to engage the substance in an adversarial fashion. One example
of
this is the "leaky gut" syndrome. If the digestive system does not
metabolize
the bread and break its proteins down into amino acids, the immune system
will
engage the proteins as if they were foreign substances and develop an
allergy.
I because allergic to calcium and B12 in this way. And both of these
are needed
by the body.

Immune system is weak during exposure
This can happen by weakened associaiton. For instance if you are weakened by
exposure to some chemical and you are eating bread during that exposure,
your
immune system may mistakenly react to the bread. The weakness may not be
physical even. It could be emotional,

I am sure there are other ways of training, but they are similar.

Now the question is how to "untrain" the response.

This is where the next level begins. Through energetic-type of medicine like
NAET and Bioset the body's immune system is retaught to no longer consider a
substance as an allergen. It sort of makes peace with the allergen and
turns it
into a peacable neighbor. So instead of having an attacking type of response
which leads to histamine reactions and thus cascade into an allergic
response
it allow the substance to coexist and even just pass on through the
body if the
substance is of no use.

Now this energetic medicine goes to the level that your body's "field"
can tell
when it comes in proximity to a substances "field" what that substance it.
If
your body does not want that substance (i.e. allergic response), it will
begin
to respond accordingly.

More later...







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Hi, Ligure,
   
Glad that you saw results with the NAET practitioner. Sorry, perhaps I misunderstood your post. At any rate, I am glad you no longer have leaky gut.  
   
My best to you,
Diane

Ligure <[hidden email]> wrote:
Diane,



I was trying to say the same thing you described here. Perhaps I came off
the wrong way. So I think we are in alignment on the celiac way of acquiring
an allergy. Basically the digestive system allows things (proteins) to pass
through the walls that it should have broken down further (i.e. to amino
acids). Celiac disease is one form of this problem. Generically this is
called “leaky gut” syndrome. Not to be confused with Montezuma’s revenge.
;-) It is leaky in that the unbroken down substance leaks from the GI tract
to the bloodstream and thus is engaged by the immune system.



I had been tested for celiac (as I recall) and did not have the problem. I
suspected a calcium allergy and B12 allergy due to research and it was
confirmed through a NAET practitioner. They also cleared it up. However they
only cleared those up and not what I am leading to which is a possible
allergy to EMF or as I have found on this group electrosmog (sp?). I like
that term.



Ligure



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From: Evie [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 8:47 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Is ES an allergy? (Explanation part 2)



Hi, Ligure,

My understanding of allergies is much different than yours. It was
explained to me that we aquire allergies when our bodies cannot break down
the components of a particular food or chemical, etc, into a usable unit.
Anything that is not usable AND gets into the blood stream is considered by
the body to be an antigen. Our immune systems are encoded to attack
antigens. Foreign substances get into our blood streams via tight junctions
(like bricks in a wall, which form the wall of the gut, for instance) which
are usually closed and are supposed to be closed, but react to glutens and a
few other things by opening. (I have read that EMFs cause tight junctions
to open.) As a celiac I am aware of this because celiacs have tight
junctions which stay open not only in the small intestine, but in the blood
brain barrier and lungs. (Some say also the heart.) This is why celiacs
have such a high incidence of auto-immune disease--the immune system is
always attacking something
or other, usually undigested food particles.

Our bodies cannot use many nutrients without "carriers" which escort each
assigned nutrient across the intestinal wall at particular sites. B12, for
instance, which you mention having problems with, is assigned a particular
site where it crosses and this is also one of the first sites to be damaged
in celiac disease or from gluten intolerance. The site for calcium is also
one of the first to be damaged by gluten intolerance and cd. It sounds to
me like you do not have an allergy to either of these, but instead have
gluten intolerance or celiac disease. In celiac disease, you must not eat
any glutens which are contained in wheat, rye, barley, and oats (by
contamination). Nor can you eat any derivitives of these. In 6 months or
so of avoidance, your small intestine will begin to heal and this will cure
you of your "allergy" to B12 and calcium. I had problems with these
nutrients as well. When I was finally dxed with cd, I had osteoporosis from
calcium deficiency and
a dexa scan of -3.50. Two years after going glutenfree, my dexa score had
improved to +1.75.

I am not saying that NAET or Bioset cannot work (I know nothing of either,
btw). But if they work they do it on a different principal than simply
"retraining". What exactly is NAET and Bioset? Have these worked, for
instance, for your allergies to B12 and calcium?

Diane


Ligure wrote:
And now the different level.

Given that the body has a means of taking care of its allergen/toxic
load (part
1), why did it accumulate the load in the first place? Or more to the
point why
do some folks have an allergy to some substance while others do not? These
questions have plagued me.

So, the body responds to an allergen because it was trained to do so. This
may
seem strange (at least it did to me) considering that there are many
people's
bodies which do not adversely respond to a given allergen (i.e. wheat) while
others have a problem with it. How did the body acquire such an adverse
response? Some might say genetics. I am going to lay that one aside just
because that is the typical catchall when the "expoerts" don't know the
answer.
It may be the "answer" in some cases, but there or other answers that can be
found before we throw in the genetic towel.

How else was the body trained? Simple explanations are in order.

Prolonged exposure, over exposure, or exposure at the wrong place
It often happens that where at one time one has no allergic response to
something to discover one day that they can no longer tolerate it. This
occurs
because the immune system got engaged at a deeper level than it once needed
to
or "decided" to engage the substance in an adversarial fashion. One example
of
this is the "leaky gut" syndrome. If the digestive system does not
metabolize
the bread and break its proteins down into amino acids, the immune system
will
engage the proteins as if they were foreign substances and develop an
allergy.
I because allergic to calcium and B12 in this way. And both of these
are needed
by the body.

Immune system is weak during exposure
This can happen by weakened associaiton. For instance if you are weakened by
exposure to some chemical and you are eating bread during that exposure,
your
immune system may mistakenly react to the bread. The weakness may not be
physical even. It could be emotional,

I am sure there are other ways of training, but they are similar.

Now the question is how to "untrain" the response.

This is where the next level begins. Through energetic-type of medicine like
NAET and Bioset the body's immune system is retaught to no longer consider a
substance as an allergen. It sort of makes peace with the allergen and
turns it
into a peacable neighbor. So instead of having an attacking type of response
which leads to histamine reactions and thus cascade into an allergic
response
it allow the substance to coexist and even just pass on through the
body if the
substance is of no use.

Now this energetic medicine goes to the level that your body's "field"
can tell
when it comes in proximity to a substances "field" what that substance it.
If
your body does not want that substance (i.e. allergic response), it will
begin
to respond accordingly.

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