Introduction

Hi, my name is Monnie and thank you so much for letting me join the group.  I am sensitive to EMF and RF though not as severe as someone diagnosed.  I can't use any cell phone.  If I hold one near my head, I will "feel" the RF and my head will tingle.  My hand will also tingle if I hold a cellphone.  I get nausea when using a laptop sometimes depending on the laptop.  Cordless phone is worse, gives me immediate headache.  Standing under a plasma panel also gives me headache.  Standing next to the airport scanner also immediately gives me headache.

I do have WiFi in the house.  My husband uses it.

I am learning about how to mitigate and reduce my exposure to RF and EMF.

I am also learning about smart meters and working to try to get the city to ban it.

I saw that this group has lots of information about EMF sensitivity and I am looking forward to learning a few things on how to protect myself and my family.

Monnie

On October 30, cmramsell <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hi, my name is Monnie and thank you so much for letting me join the group.  

Welcome to the group, Monnie.  I'm sure that most people here will
want to advise you to get rid of the Wi-Fi inside your house, although
I'm not sure how important that is if all of your neighbors have Wi-Fi.

For example, we don't have any Wi-Fi in our house, but we have laptops
that can receive Wi-Fi if we turn their Wi-Fi radios on.  And when we turn
these on, we can see that there are 20 - 30 Wi-Fi networks visible...
all coming from around the neighborhood.  :-(

Marc

 

Welcome to Esens Monnie,

 

Marc is correct, most of us who recognize ourselves as being ES, sensitive
to wifi/celll phones/ towers/ect/...

 do NOT use anything wireless in our
homes.



I believe getting rid of wireless in the home, and changing over to a hard
wired, ethernet system

Is  much safer. As far as how much
this will help?

Usually, the formula is: proximity/ dose/ and duration.

 

This means the farther away the wireless router is, the safer, the lower the
dose of wireless radiation one is being exposed to. As for duration, while we
cannot control what our neighbors use we can control what we use, in our own
homes.

 

That being said, ES is a multi symptom condition. It can also involve: house
wiring, plumbing, nutritional deficiencies, and toxic over load.

 

Take time to scroll thru the postings on this site, It is filled with much
helpful information.

You might also take a look at the following websites:

 

Overcoming Electrical Sensitivity
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


www.electrical-sensitivity.info/

 

www.magdahavas.com/barrie-trower-speaks-about-microwave-radiat

Blessings,


Lizzie

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      Hi, my name is Monnie and thank you so much for letting me join the group.  I am sensitive to EMF and RF though not as severe as someone diagnosed.  I can't use any cell phone.  If I hold one near my head, I will "feel" the RF and my head will tingle.  My hand will also tingle if I hold a cellphone.  I get nausea when using a laptop sometimes depending on the laptop.  Cordless phone is worse, gives me immediate headache.  Standing under a plasma panel also gives me headache.  Standing next to the airport scanner also immediately gives me headache.



I do have WiFi in the house.  My husband uses it.



I am learning about how to mitigate and reduce my exposure to RF and EMF.



I am also learning about smart meters and working to try to get the city to ban it.



I saw that this group has lots of information about EMF sensitivity and I am looking forward to learning a few things on how to protect myself and my family.



Monnie





   
     

   
   






       

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omg, marc!  
do you live in an apartment?  
in a big city?  
that's a LOT of networks.  


On Oct 30, 2012, at 4:13 PM, Marc Martin wrote:

30!!   I struggle with the 3 that come through my house.



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On October 30, cmramsell <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hi, my name is Monnie and thank you so much for letting me join the group.

Welcome to the group, Monnie.  I'm sure that most people here will
want to advise you to get rid of the Wi-Fi inside your house, although
I'm not sure how important that is if all of your neighbors have Wi-Fi.

For example, we don't have any Wi-Fi in our house, but we have laptops
that can receive Wi-Fi if we turn their Wi-Fi radios on.  And when we turn
these on, we can see that there are 20 - 30 Wi-Fi networks visible...
all coming from around the neighborhood.  :-(

Marc

 

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On October 30, Auntie Patricia <[hidden email]> wrote:
> omg, marc!  
> do you live in an apartment?  
> in a big city?  
> that's a LOT of networks.  

There are no apartments around here, only houses.

We once went on a trip to another city, and we could see
30 - 40 Wi-Fi networks from where we staying.  It's crazy...

Marc

amazing.
are the houses where you live extremely close
together?  or are there multiple networks in each
house?  or are their signals just incredibly strong?

no wonder so many people are beginning to be
emf sensitive... we are living in an ocean of the stuff.


On Oct 30, 2012, at 7:42 PM, Marc Martin wrote:

In [hidden email], Auntie Patricia <auntiepatricia@...> wrote:
> amazing.
> are the houses where you live extremely close
> together?  or are there multiple networks in each
> house?  or are their signals just incredibly strong?

The neighborhood originated around 1910, so the houses
aren't spaced very far apart.  Also we're on a hill,
so we overlook a lot of houses, and don't have
nearby houses to block the more distant signals.

Marc  

Hi Monnie,

>  do NOT use anything wireless in our
> homes.
>  

Please realize quickly, that having a WiFi beacon turned on _in_ your
own home, _Will_ make your symptoms worsen over time.

If you have a metal roof, the signals going up will bounce back down,
doubling the exposure.

Smart meters pulse at a higher power level, but WiFi is still right up
there in power density.

An ounce of prevention now will prevent a pound of cure later.

Stewart
http://seahorseCorral.org/ehs1.html

On October 30, ada iye <[hidden email]> wrote:
> 30!!   I struggle with the 3 that come through my house.

It doesn't help that the people living next door to us have 2
separate wi-fi networks, one apparently for guests staying
at the house!

But even when we go on vacation in a cabin "in the middle
of nowhere", there can be 2 or 3 wi-fi networks visible
(and I actually use one of these to monitor this group)

Marc

stewart,
does that mean if you have metal siding and metal roof on your home,
the wifi from outside will bounce off and you can be save inside?  
patricia


On Oct 31, 2012, at 8:20 AM, S Andreason wrote:

Monnie,

Welcome to our group. Your husband will need to change to hardwired internet to feel better. The RF goes through the whole house 24/7 unless it's disabled or turned off.  Wi-fi runs at 2.4 Ghtz. Some higher Harmful going though your organs.

As everyone said, he can disable the wi-fi signal & plug in ethernet cables at any Radio Shack.  The RF signals do rid the wiring & other metal in your home.

You can print up some documents on ES here & take them to your doc. to explain your illness. The doc. can write a brief letter that explains you cannot tolerate wirless. You fax or mail to your utility co's. Then keep calling them & understand there is no federal mandate, & you have the right to get them removed. In time they will take you seriously & remove them.


I got 2 smart meters removed. Electric replaced the meter, gas took out the battery so, the RF meter could not work. It may be a while before they are banned. Many are working hard for that.  Do check out these sites. If your husband doesn't feel it, he needs to understand, you do feel it & need to feel better. I hope he will understand that much.

Kathy


www.electrical-sensitivity.info/



www.magdahavas.com/barrie-trower-speaks-about-microwave-radiat






 










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Hi Patricia,

If the house has metal siding on 5 sides, the 6th being the floor and
generally counts as ground, then you have a shielded box.
Outside signals will probably still get in the windows, and maybe the
door, and very likely the space between the bottom of the siding and the
ground. But a considerable amount will bounce back and away from you.

Then there are the conditional statements, because the metal siding may
not be completely made of iron and other "solid" metals, but of
less-dense metals that reflect less than 99% of that signal. How much
less, I'd like to know too.
I'm saying how much bounces back does depend on variables.

But inside, if you can actually turn off everything that emits a signal,
disconnect the wires from whatever comes in via your power company, then
you should theoretically have a faraday cage. the most coveted safe room
for EHS.  Except for those pesky leaks mentioned earlier. ;-)

Just don't turn on anything, because it will measure something like a
microwave oven.


Those who have read my story will be interested to hear neighbor #2
constructed a metal canopy (open on 2 sides vehicle shelter) next door,
that blocks line of sight from his WiFi and internet dish, to half of
our house, and all the barn.
I pulled out the meters again when it was done, and ... 50 or 70%
reduction. Yea!
The siding does not touch the ground, rats...  Any improvement in a storm...

Thinking about it, I can see why new siding materials may be less solid
than in the past, as customers that want wireless probably complain
about those pesky metal walls dropping their service.

Stewart
http://seahorseCorral.org

 
Auntie Patricia wrote:
> stewart,
> does that mean if you have metal siding and metal roof on your home,
> the wifi from outside will bounce off and you can be save inside?  
> patricia
>  

so, stewart, would an airstream trailer be a good
choice for EMF sensitive people?  can you have a
lamp and an ethernet cable inside with a computer?
or would that also bounce, unfortunately, on the
inside of the box?  ???  thanks for your kind answer...
praying for more info.  :)  
patricia


On Oct 31, 2012, at 6:45 PM, S Andreason wrote:

So what you're saying is, metal roof and walls as long as the floor is not metal,shields?While cars, buses, trains, and planes.... because they are ALL metal chassis framed, become radiation cageswhen a cell phone is used in the car.
 How can the floor count as a ground? What if the ceiling under neath the flooring, has over head lighting?Then its only safe when the main power box is turned off? What if the ground floor, happens to be in an area where there is a lot of stray voltage running thru the earth?Like when utility co's use the ground as their neutral...and instead of the current returning to the sub stations,it takes the path of least resistance, thru the ground, any water pipes, metal gas lines, ect..into a house even. Lizzie To: [hidden email]
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      Hi Patricia,



If the house has metal siding on 5 sides, the 6th being the floor and

generally counts as ground, then you have a shielded box.

Outside signals will probably still get in the windows, and maybe the

door, and very likely the space between the bottom of the siding and the

ground. But a considerable amount will bounce back and away from you.



Then there are the conditional statements, because the metal siding may

not be completely made of iron and other "solid" metals, but of

less-dense metals that reflect less than 99% of that signal. How much

less, I'd like to know too.

I'm saying how much bounces back does depend on variables.



But inside, if you can actually turn off everything that emits a signal,

disconnect the wires from whatever comes in via your power company, then

you should theoretically have a faraday cage. the most coveted safe room

for EHS.  Except for those pesky leaks mentioned earlier. ;-)



Just don't turn on anything, because it will measure something like a

microwave oven.



Those who have read my story will be interested to hear neighbor #2

constructed a metal canopy (open on 2 sides vehicle shelter) next door,

that blocks line of sight from his WiFi and internet dish, to half of

our house, and all the barn.

I pulled out the meters again when it was done, and ... 50 or 70%

reduction. Yea!

The siding does not touch the ground, rats...  Any improvement in a storm...



Thinking about it, I can see why new siding materials may be less solid

than in the past, as customers that want wireless probably complain

about those pesky metal walls dropping their service.



Stewart

http://seahorseCorral.org



Auntie Patricia wrote:

> stewart,

> does that mean if you have metal siding and metal roof on your home,

> the wifi from outside will bounce off and you can be save inside?  

> patricia

>  





   
     

   
   






       

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Hi Patricia,

> so, stewart, would an airstream trailer be a good
> choice for EMF sensitive people?
I would think so.

However I would not expect it to be a real solution if the airstream is
parked "downtown." near towers and WiFi equipped camping sites.
Even if the windows were covered with a shielding film, I still consider
improving your _location_ to be the first priority.


>  can you have a
> lamp and an ethernet cable inside with a computer?
>  

12V lighting is great.
120V AC lighting is okay, but the electric field from the wiring cords
must be given consideration.
Ethernet cable is fine.
Computers though, I've had my share of frustration finding a Quiet and
tolerable computer setup.


> or would that also bounce, unfortunately, on the
> inside of the box?
I would expect it to bounce around. Something to absorb the EMR is needed.
Simple solution would be to place a couple fish tanks along each side of
the computer case, best if an aluminum tower case. Then one tank along
the back, but allowing for air flow. Fill the tanks! Water absorbs
microwaves.

Carbon fiber absorbing fabrics are also a solution, costs more, but can
construct a baffled box.

Stewart
http://seahorseCorral.org

Hi Lizzie,

> So what you're saying is, metal roof and walls as long as the floor is not metal,shields?
Yes, I meant the floor doesn't need to be covered in metal if it is on
the ground, meaning 1st floor, ground level. Earth.


> While cars, buses, trains, and planes.... because they are ALL metal chassis framed, become radiation cageswhen a cell phone is used in the car.
>  
Yes. And there are pictures out there showing how the inside of a car is
a hot zone when a cell phone is in use.


>  How can the floor count as a ground? What if the ceiling under neath the flooring, has over head lighting?
Then it is not ground. Just a 2nd story floor or more.
When there are lighting ballasts in the floor, then you're standing
closer to the magnetic field than the occupants one floor below are to
their head.

Back in 1993 when I was starting to get sick, I tried resting upstairs
in the accountant's vacant office. Boy did I get worse! I could kick
myself for that, as I was laying down On the florescent ballast below.
I figured it out within a couple days too.


> Then its only safe when the main power box is turned off?
How about "safer" and "safest," yes.
Need to stop the 120V AC wires from emitting a electric field, and to
stop any dirty electricity from coming into your house.


>  What if the ground floor, happens to be in an area where there is a lot of stray voltage running thru the earth?
Oh, if you only knew how much that has been on my mind lately....
The ground floor here is concrete, with rebar and wire mesh for strength.
For a few years now, I have been measuring an electric field, comparing
it to ground, in the wall outlet.
Just last week, I had some discovery and ah ha moments, when I found the
outlet ground differs from the outside earth ground. Even with several
grounding rods tied in across several "buildings", there is 2 to 3 volts
AC, and 0.28 Amps AC. Got a Gigahertz Solutions ELF meter for magnetic
and electric fields, and it measured 50-90 V/m. No wonder I have been
getting worse the last 2 years or more. I ran a new grounding cord to a
new grounding rod for my bed enclosure, and now the bed matches earth
ground. Now I can sleep in a clean 0 V/m box. No jokes about dying please.
Now time will tell how I heal.

Yes, when the county wide storm emergency and power outage occurred in
July, out for several days, the outlet ground matched earth ground. I
measured it every time the PUD connected a major transmission or
distribution line. It is clearly connected with the big line (a mile
away) running up the valley to Curlew, and not any small lines in the
valley here. Problem is I don't know what to do about it now. Is this
the PUD's problem? and how to convince them of that...


>  instead of the current returning to the sub stations,it takes the path of least resistance, thru the ground, any water pipes, metal gas lines,
Don't have any metal pipes here. Just rocks.

Stewart
http://seahorseCorral.org