IV CHELATION

MY WIFE HAS BEEN REFERRED TO A DOCTOR THAT DOES IV CHELATION FOR MERCURY TOXICITY.  ANY THOUGHTS FROM ANYONE ON THIS SUBJECT?  THE PER
SON THAT REFERRED HER SAID HER 6 WEEK THERAPY WAS SUCCESSFUL.    MIKE


     

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> MY WIFE HAS BEEN REFERRED TO A DOCTOR THAT DOES IV CHELATION FOR MERCURY
> TOXICITY.  ANY THOUGHTS FROM ANYONE ON THIS SUBJECT?  THE PER
> SON THAT REFERRED HER SAID HER 6 WEEK THERAPY WAS SUCCESSFUL.    MIKE

I'd be careful about that... there are certainly many reports of people
being done far more damage than good by IV chelation. And I would
think that anyone who has ES might be particularly vulnerable.

Marc

IV chelation done with DMPS?
Boyd Haley has an oral product called OSR that supposedly is the best  
for not dropping mercury on the way out of the body. Everything else  
does drop it (EDTA, cilantro, DMSA, DMPS, etc...)
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1386716

Klinghard liked the DMPS Challenge but according to a recent interview  
with Dr. Mercola, is recommending the OSR.
OSR- Oxidative Stress Relief - N1, N3-BIS (2-
mercaptoethyl)isophthalamide
http://www.biopureus.com/store.html

The big risk in doing an aggressive detox is that the body has to  
process everything kicked up by the chelators! That means that your  
liver, kidneys are going to be maxxed out if not already AND there is  
going to be mercury going every where (brain, other organs, etc.) You  
will have to do all kinds of other supplements to keep from frying  
yourself (Vitamin C, magnesium, Chlorella, OSR, ALA, etc.)
This topic is so damn complex. This doesn't even address all the bugs,  
fungus, microbes, bacteria that live off the mercury and other metals  
and how to handle them!

I recommend reading up on Klinghardts protocols. See the notes below.
http://www.selfhealth.co.uk/Cleansing-Detox-according-to-Dr-Dietrich-Klinghardt-MD-PhD.html

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:Cqjdl4C0xGAJ:www.klinghardtneurobiology.com/KlinghardtAutism2008Derksen.pdf+klinghardt+mercury+detox+OSR+protocol&cd=9&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a


I think a prudent way to go forward is do a month or two of cell wall  
and gut wall lining reinforcing with Krill Oil, Butyrate and anything  
that will help the integrity of the blood brain barrier and intestinal  
walls.
This is to ensure that there is less REtoxing of the body.

Get on an exercise regimen of sweating so the liver/kidneys don't have  
to process everything.
Do a colon cleanse and other light clearings to get the surface level  
junk out of the system.

GO SLOW!

If you are absolutely sure that there is no leaky gut, celiac, etc.  
then maybe your wife will be OK with a DMPS 6 month hit.
I think a detox should take from 2 to 10 years. Anything shorter and  
you are going to pay for it.

Andrew



Notes – DK 2008 Autism Conference Deitrich Klinghardt, MD
www.lymeinducedautism.com/images/Klinghardt_Conference_Notes.pdf

It takes 7 years on the best detox program to deplete the body of half  
the toxic metals. You want to see the toxic metals getting more and  
more in the hair because it is leaving the body. Low sulphur levels =  
no detox, but get it up before detoxifying. Chlorella is a non-sulphur  
detox mechanism and CA-EDTA , free up sulphur containing enzymes and  
monitor with hair. If sodium potassium is the same then don’t worry,  
but if they are different then patient has adrenal  
dysfunction….medical grade cortisol will help. Reference values in  
children are not accurate. Low dose cortisol immune booster – high  
dose suppresses immune system.
On a hair test if you don’t see something coming out then that is what  
they are holding on to and that’s what needs to be treated. Treat what  
is NOT coming out. IV DMPS only gets mercury out of the kidneys, only.  
DMSA detoxifies the liver. CA-EDTA – suppository with dramatic effects…
250mg for kids, 750mg women, 1000mg - 3 x week. For about 6 months.  
99% of microbes of lyme live in the gut.
DMPS may be pulling mold toxins and lyme neurotoxins.
Porphyrin test – pre-corpyporhyrin – mercury, no challenge, direct  
correlation, shows improvement. If they aren’t excreting, locked in  
brain, porphyrins won’t be high. No test to show body burden of mercury.
Kids need glycine – assume they have toxicity. (which type) Well with  
methyl b12 – di or tri-methyl-glycine. Test with cryon research.
Sauna detox – if kid doesn’t like sauna they have active lyme disease.  
If they like the sauna then the lyme is under control.
d-penicillamine detoxes central nervous system. Russell Jaffe protocol www.perck.com
Vitamin diagnostics – good company to work with for ASD
Biotoxins can live for 30 years after bugs are dead. Bugs produce more  
biotoxins when you introduce an agent that threatens the bugs.
Andrew

On Feb 8, 2010, at 2:04 PM, angela england wrote:

IV chelation can move the metals about the body along with the toxic
chelator itself. The trick is to escort it out!



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> MY WIFE HAS BEEN REFERRED TO A DOCTOR THAT DOES IV CHELATION FOR MERCURY
> TOXICITY. ANY THOUGHTS FROM ANYONE ON THIS SUBJECT? THE PER
> SON THAT REFERRED HER SAID HER 6 WEEK THERAPY WAS SUCCESSFUL. MIKE

I'd be careful about that... there are certainly many reports of people
being done far more damage than good by IV chelation. And I would
think that anyone who has ES might be particularly vulnerable.

Marc





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Hi, Mike,
 
IV chelation is probably the most effective (also the most dangerous unlessyou have a highly trained doc) and easiest way to detox, especially mercury and heavy metals.  However, I personally do not think that any detoxis a permanent fix.  What I mean by that is, over time we all will pick up more toxins and so the need to detox is always an on-going thing.  For me, tho, IV chelation worked for about 7 years.  I didn't knowwhat I was doing at the time and didn't know much about toxins.  If Ihad, I would have done detoxing (and avoidance) as an on-going therapy--a couple months every year or two.
 
My 2 cents,
Diane

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Subject: [eSens] IV CHELATION
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MY WIFE HAS BEEN REFERRED TO A DOCTOR THAT DOES IV CHELATION FOR MERCURY TOXICITY.  ANY THOUGHTS FROM ANYONE ON THIS SUBJECT?  THE PER
SON THAT REFERRED HER SAID HER 6 WEEK THERAPY WAS SUCCESSFUL.    MIKE

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Hi again, Andrew,

Very good info here, Andrew! Thanks.  

You write:
My reply:
OIC! I didn't think of this when I wrote to Kris. So, in other words, Kris could still be bad due to less than optimum lymphatic system functioning.The doc who did my chelations filtered my blood. Maybe not all docs do this now? I had to go for weekly filtering for awhile--2 or 3 months I think, if I recall correctly.

Great info, Andrew--may I add some of it to my "preparing to detox" document (with your name attached, of course)?

Thanks again for the info,
Diane  

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mine was a DMPS and I didn't feel any results from it.. I can only handle one thing at a time.  
I must first deal with this Tick borne disease stuff first, right?
MD is thinking that the Tick borne diseases are suppressing my immune system to the point of I'm not responding to anything he's tried, including chelation, or I react badly to it ex: Quercitin.
Kris




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From: Andrew McAfee <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Mon, February 8, 2010 1:51:29 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] IV CHELATION

IV chelation done with DMPS?
Boyd Haley has an oral product called OSR that supposedly is the best  
for not dropping mercury on the way out of the body. Everything else  
does drop it (EDTA, cilantro, DMSA, DMPS, etc...)
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1386716

Klinghard liked the DMPS Challenge but according to a recent interview  
with Dr. Mercola, is recommending the OSR.
OSR- Oxidative Stress Relief - N1, N3-BIS (2-
mercaptoethyl)isophthalamide
http://www.biopureus.com/store.html

The big risk in doing an aggressive detox is that the body has to  
process everything kicked up by the chelators! That means that your  
liver, kidneys are going to be maxxed out if not already AND there is  
going to be mercury going every where (brain, other organs, etc.) You  
will have to do all kinds of other supplements to keep from frying  
yourself (Vitamin C, magnesium, Chlorella, OSR, ALA, etc.)
This topic is so damn complex. This doesn't even address all the bugs,  
fungus, microbes, bacteria that live off the mercury and other metals  
and how to handle them!

I recommend reading up on Klinghardts protocols. See the notes below.
http://www.selfhealth.co.uk/Cleansing-Detox-according-to-Dr-Dietrich-Klinghardt-MD-PhD.html

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:Cqjdl4C0xGAJ:www.klinghardtneurobiology.com/KlinghardtAutism2008Derksen.pdf+klinghardt+mercury+detox+OSR+protocol&cd=9&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a>


I think a prudent way to go forward is do a month or two of cell wall  
and gut wall lining reinforcing with Krill Oil, Butyrate and anything  
that will help the integrity of the blood brain barrier and intestinal  
walls.
This is to ensure that there is less REtoxing of the body.

Get on an exercise regimen of sweating so the liver/kidneys don't have  
to process everything.
Do a colon cleanse and other light clearings to get the surface level  
junk out of the system.

GO SLOW!

If you are absolutely sure that there is no leaky gut, celiac, etc.  
then maybe your wife will be OK with a DMPS 6 month hit.
I think a detox should take from 2 to 10 years. Anything shorter and  
you are going to pay for it.

Andrew



Notes – DK 2008 Autism Conference Deitrich Klinghardt, MD
www.lymeinducedautism.com/images/Klinghardt_Conference_Notes.pdf

It takes 7 years on the best detox program to deplete the body of half  
the toxic metals. You want to see the toxic metals getting more and  
more in the hair because it is leaving the body. Low sulphur levels =  
no detox, but get it up before detoxifying. Chlorella is a non-sulphur  
detox mechanism and CA-EDTA , free up sulphur containing enzymes and  
monitor with hair. If sodium potassium is the same then don’t worry,  
but if they are different then patient has adrenal  
dysfunction….medical grade cortisol will help. Reference values in  
children are not accurate. Low dose cortisol immune booster – high  
dose suppresses immune system.
On a hair test if you don’t see something coming out then that is what  
they are holding on to and that’s what needs to be treated. Treat what  
is NOT coming out. IV DMPS only gets mercury out of the kidneys, only.  
DMSA detoxifies the liver. CA-EDTA – suppository with dramatic effects…
250mg for kids, 750mg women, 1000mg - 3 x week. For about 6 months.  
99% of microbes of lyme live in the gut.
DMPS may be pulling mold toxins and lyme neurotoxins.
Porphyrin test – pre-corpyporhyrin – mercury, no challenge,direct  
correlation, shows improvement. If they aren’t excreting, locked in  
brain, porphyrins won’t be high. No test to show body burden of mercury.
Kids need glycine – assume they have toxicity. (which type) Well with  
methyl b12 – di or tri-methyl-glycine. Test with cryon research.
Sauna detox – if kid doesn’t like sauna they have active lyme disease.  
If they like the sauna then the lyme is under control.
d-penicillamine detoxes central nervous system. Russell Jaffe protocol www.perck.com
Vitamin diagnostics – good company to work with for ASD
Biotoxins can live for 30 years after bugs are dead. Bugs produce more  
biotoxins when you introduce an agent that threatens the bugs.
Andrew

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> mine was a DMPS and I didn't feel any results from it..

Note that DMPS does NOT remove any mercury in the brain or
nervous system (ALA does however, as does cilantro).

> I must first deal with this Tick borne disease stuff first, right?
> MD is thinking that the Tick borne diseases are suppressing my immune
> system to the point of I'm not responding to anything he's tried,
> including chelation, or I react badly to it ex: Quercitin.

It's hard to give specific advice on what you should address first...
I know that I've seen a lot of doctors who've had a lot of theories,
but very little of all that turned out to be helpful.

Marc

Hi again, Kris,
 
You can try repacking supplements in smaller doses into empty capsules and see if that helps you.  I had to do that with my supplementation when I was most ill.  Then I slowly worked myself up to the correct doses over several months.  Sometimes it took 8 months or more to get up to the original dosage, but over time, it worked out for me.  Now when I cannot tolerate a supplement, I automatically try small doses.  If I cannot tolerate something, it is usually that the initial amount is too strong or the supplementation is the wrong formulation.  What I am saying is I very rarely cannot tolerate supplementation in the correct form and dose.  So many people cycle thru supplements and throw 9 out of 10 out, but if they worked abit with them they most likely could work.  Another problem I have found is needing another supplement which compliments the one which I have been prescribed or deem useful for my purposes.  If I cannot tolerate very
small doses, I immediately check out supplements which might be needed to work along with the supplement I am having difficulty with.  For instance, when I started taking molybdenum, I couldn't tolerate it and I checked it out online and found B6 and B12 might be needed with it.  I tried these and immediately I tolerated the molybdenum better.  This isoften true for problems taking amino-acids and minerals.
 
Hope it works for you,
Diane

--- On Tue, 2/9/10, K <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: K <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] IV CHELATION
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mine was a DMPS and I didn't feel any results from it.. I can only handle one thing at a time.
I must first deal with this Tick borne disease stuff first, right?
MD is thinking that the Tick borne diseases are suppressing my immune system to the point of I'm not responding to anything he's tried, including chelation, or I react badly to it ex: Quercitin.
Kris

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From: Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@nc. rr.com>
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Mon, February 8, 2010 1:51:29 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] IV CHELATION

IV chelation done with DMPS?
Boyd Haley has an oral product called OSR that supposedly is the best
for not dropping mercury on the way out of the body. Everything else
does drop it (EDTA, cilantro, DMSA, DMPS, etc...)
http://curezone. com/forums/ fm.asp?i= 1386716

Klinghard liked the DMPS Challenge but according to a recent interview
with Dr. Mercola, is recommending the OSR.
OSR- Oxidative Stress Relief - N1, N3-BIS (2-
mercaptoethyl) isophthalamide
http://www.biopureu s.com/store. html

The big risk in doing an aggressive detox is that the body has to
process everything kicked up by the chelators! That means that your
liver, kidneys are going to be maxxed out if not already AND there is
going to be mercury going every where (brain, other organs, etc.) You
will have to do all kinds of other supplements to keep from frying
yourself (Vitamin C, magnesium, Chlorella, OSR, ALA, etc.)
This topic is so damn complex. This doesn't even address all the bugs,
fungus, microbes, bacteria that live off the mercury and other metals
and how to handle them!

I recommend reading up on Klinghardts protocols. See the notes below.
http://www.selfheal th.co.uk/ Cleansing- Detox-according- to-Dr-Dietrich- Klinghardt- MD-PhD.html

http://74.125. 47.132/search? q=cache:Cqjdl4C0 xGAJ:www. klinghardtneurobiology.com/ KlinghardtAutism 2008Derksen. pdf+klinghardt+ mercury+detox+ OSR+protocol& cd=9&hl=en& ct=clnk&gl= us&client= firefox-a>

I think a prudent way to go forward is do a month or two of cell wall
and gut wall lining reinforcing with Krill Oil, Butyrate and anything
that will help the integrity of the blood brain barrier and intestinal
walls.
This is to ensure that there is less REtoxing of the body.

Get on an exercise regimen of sweating so the liver/kidneys don't have
to process everything.
Do a colon cleanse and other light clearings to get the surface level
junk out of the system.

GO SLOW!

If you are absolutely sure that there is no leaky gut, celiac, etc.
then maybe your wife will be OK with a DMPS 6 month hit.
I think a detox should take from 2 to 10 years. Anything shorter and
you are going to pay for it.

Andrew

Notes – DK 2008 Autism Conference Deitrich Klinghardt, MD
www.lymeinducedauti sm.com/images/ Klinghardt_ Conference_ Notes.pdf

It takes 7 years on the best detox program to deplete the body of half
the toxic metals. You want to see the toxic metals getting more and
more in the hair because it is leaving the body. Low sulphur levels =
no detox, but get it up before detoxifying. Chlorella is a non-sulphur
detox mechanism and CA-EDTA , free up sulphur containing enzymes and
monitor with hair. If sodium potassium is the same then don’t worry,
but if they are different then patient has adrenal
dysfunction….medical grade cortisol will help. Reference values in
children are not accurate. Low dose cortisol immune booster – high
dose suppresses immune system.
On a hair test if you don’t see something coming out then that is what
they are holding on to and that’s what needs to be treated. Treat what
is NOT coming out. IV DMPS only gets mercury out of the kidneys, only.
DMSA detoxifies the liver. CA-EDTA – suppository with dramatic effects…
250mg for kids, 750mg women, 1000mg - 3 x week. For about 6 months.
99% of microbes of lyme live in the gut.
DMPS may be pulling mold toxins and lyme neurotoxins.
Porphyrin test – pre-corpyporhyrin – mercury, no challenge,direct
correlation, shows improvement. If they aren’t excreting, locked in
brain, porphyrins won’t be high. No test to show body burden of mercury.
Kids need glycine – assume they have toxicity. (which type) Well with
methyl b12 – di or tri-methyl-glycine. Test with cryon research.
Sauna detox – if kid doesn’t like sauna they have active lyme disease.
If they like the sauna then the lyme is under control.
d-penicillamine detoxes central nervous system. Russell Jaffe protocol www.perck.com
Vitamin diagnostics – good company to work with for ASD
Biotoxins can live for 30 years after bugs are dead. Bugs produce more
biotoxins when you introduce an agent that threatens the bugs.
Andrew

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