I hope that here I not only find answers to my questions, but also can be useful for others!

 Hello everyone!

I'm a newbie here and I am electro-sensitive, as it is usually called.

From beginning, I will describe things for which I am sensitive:

It's WiFi and 4G (Yota, etc.) - I feel some pressure when I'm near an access point. If I'm there for a long time, it causes headache, confusion of thought, twitching of muscles.
A similar situation with computers, but not as strongly expressed. I can work on laptop up to an hour a day. I can also talk on a cell phone up to 15 minutes per day. In this case, I can not use bluetooth headset - a bad effect on me. I absolutely can not listen to digital MP3 player with headphones. Only through the speakers. But this does not pass with impunity. Therefore, I use an old CD audio system at home and tape in the car.

By the way, I can not go long on modern cars. I drive an older model of the Russian car with petrol engines (carburetor). It does not cause deterioration of my health.
I bought a modern fuel injected petrol car, but had to sell it because I was not able to use it. Now I bought a used diesel car (Rexton 2.9 TD). Its engine is not electronically controlled (unlike the modern diesel engines). In theory, this should be the perfect car for me. BUT! It is not so! Having driven only half an hour I felt awful. It was the worst thing is that I knew before! I can not find an explanation for this fact ...
I even turned off the generator, but it's not much help.
Has anyone experienced similar problems with diesel cars?

I want to note that the symptoms have inertia. For example, if I have long been working at the computer, the deterioration in health does not occur immediately, but continues the longer, the longer was the impact. The impact tends to accumulate: I usually do not feel an immediate deterioration of health by using a digital camera. But if I previously drove a modern car, I feel a deterioration as soon as I take the camera in hand.

I hope that here I not only find answers to my questions, but also can be useful for others!

Dmitriy
Moscow, Russia.

P.S. I apologize if my English is not good enough. This is not the native language for me.

Hi Dimetri,
 
Your English is almost perfect!  I could scarcely tell you were having any difficulty. 
 
Yes, your symptoms are just as ours are here on the forum.  I am much improved with some detoxing and lots of avoidance, but I still can feel it a bit (and more, depending on where the emfs are coming from and from what) and I can tell I am deteriorating a little as time goes on, so it is getting time for me to do more detoxing.  [I have to detox from various things--for me personally metals are less of a problem than chemical toxins and candida/ bad gut bacteria.  I need to detox those about every 2 to 3 years.]
 
Can you ride in any cars comfortably?  I ask because perhaps you now have problems with vibrational frequencies, which would mean you would have problems in any car, no matter how old.  Or perhaps the alternator is bothering you?  Do you experience symptoms at a particular time while riding?  In some cars I only have problems when they are idling, others I have problems in particular places we go (which, then, is not actually the car at all, but the environment!)  Still others bother me when the digital controls are tweeked.  Others give me burning from under the floor....  So, in other words, I don't react the same in all cars, and each has a different cause and effect on me.
 
Yes, I have the same "inertia" effect you mention when I am exposed to frequencies which bother me greatly; afterwards, even the little things I usually don't notice then bother me more.  And when I am detoxing and afterwards for a few months, everything bothers me more. 
 
I have chosen to deal with this by cutting back on everything with emfs which I can tolerate, even well.  That way, my body is stronger, over-all.  I do not react inside my home to things inside my home, for instance.  But still I unplug everything I am not using and even turn my electric power off at the road at night.  I find these are easy to do once I have gotten used to doing them.  We use battery candles at night--we keep 2 lit in the bathroom, 1 in the hall, and small ones in each room's window.  That way we can get around easily without tripping.  I have found non-wireless options for everything and non-electric options for many things.  We have almost all gas appliances and an all gas furnace.  My husband has a cell phone for work, but charges it in his truck at night.  We have non-metal beds without bed-springs; I avoid using metal in furniture.... 
 
These little things plus the detoxing and some supplements give me the ability to travel to the city and visit with people, which I previously was unable to do due to bad reactions.  Cell towers and other emf sources bother me much less now.  There is a cell tower I can see just outside my one window and I no longer feel it.  I still can have a fairly bad reaction in particular places, but I avoid going through those places.  I get particularly bad emfs in my house for 3 hours (from something going on in the neighborhood) on Sunday mornings and I choose to spend that time checking in on my elderly parents in another town.  So, you see, I do avoid a lot.  But I am also healthier for all of my avoiding. 
 
Welcome to the group.  I hope we can help you and you can also help us!
 
Diane/ aka Evie

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From: Dmirtiy <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] I hope that here I not only find answers to my questions, but also can be useful for others!
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, April 2, 2011, 7:09 AM


 



Hello everyone!

I'm a newbie here and I am electro-sensitive, as it is usually called.

From beginning, I will describe things for which I am sensitive:

It's WiFi and 4G (Yota, etc.) - I feel some pressure when I'm near an access
point. If I'm there for a long time, it causes headache, confusion of
thought, twitching of muscles.
A similar situation with computers, but not as strongly expressed. I can
work on laptop up to an hour a day. I can also talk on a cell phone up to 15
minutes per day. In this case, I can not use bluetooth headset - a bad
effect on me. I absolutely can not listen to digital MP3 player with
headphones. Only through the speakers. But this does not pass with impunity.
Therefore, I use an old CD audio system at home and tape in the car.

By the way, I can not go long on modern cars. I drive an older model of the
Russian car with petrol engines (carburetor). It does not cause
deterioration of my health.
I bought a modern fuel injected petrol car, but had to sell it because I was
not able to use it. Now I bought a used diesel car (Rexton 2.9 TD). Its
engine is not electronically controlled (unlike the modern diesel engines).
In theory, this should be the perfect car for me. BUT! It is not so! Having
driven only half an hour I felt awful. It was the worst thing is that I knew
before! I can not find an explanation for this fact ...
I even turned off the generator, but it's not much help.
Has anyone experienced similar problems with diesel cars?

I want to note that the symptoms have inertia. For example, if I have long
been working at the computer, the deterioration in health does not occur
immediately, but continues the longer, the longer was the impact. The impact
tends to accumulate: I usually do not feel an immediate deterioration of
health by using a digital camera. But if I previously drove a modern car, I
feel a deterioration as soon as I take the camera in hand.

I hope that here I not only find answers to my questions, but also can be
useful for others!

Dmitriy
Moscow, Russia.

P.S. I apologize if my English is not good enough. This is not the native
language for me.

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2 things to measure for an older car:

- Magnetic field meter

- Intermediate frequencies: Get a cheap AM radio, put it at lowest frequency, and turn it on in your car.  Maybe it's not as immune from electronics stuff as you think?

Newer cars are pretty bad, I agree.  Not only the above, but they may also have other wireless stuff.

--- In [hidden email], Dmirtiy <nikolaevdn@...> wrote:

Hi emraware!

Thanks for the idea about the radio - I tried to use the MW band radio at 530kHz.
Results are as follows - in some places in a car that almost no harm to my health (Lada), I found a lot of noise.
In the car, which greatly hurts my health (Rexton) - silence!
I'm confused ...

Hi Diane!

-Your English is almost perfect!
Thank you! I tried as best I could)))

-Depending on where the emfs are coming from and from what
I came to the conclusion that not only the magnitude of the signal has a value, the modulation is also very important.

-Can you ride in any cars comfortably?
Yes, I can comfortably ride in my car (Lada) with a carburetor (not injection) engine long enough. Although there are many different vibrations.
Recently, I drove the new Mazda 3 for 10 minutes, it was awful: numbness and tingling in his hands immediately. There was almost no vibration.
After several hours behind the wheel of the new Opel Corsa (also a little vibration), I felt much better than after the Mazda. Opel had very little vibration too.
As I wrote, my diesel Rexton - the worst car for me, although in theory it should be contrary.
I have to note, that the Lada and Opel have cloth seats, while Mazda and Rexton leather ones. Maybe it provokes the accumulation of static electricity when driving?

-Alternator
I disabled it in my rexton. Completely removed the belt from pulley.
I measured the radiation at low frequencies in rexton - they are very low. I used 3 devices:
EMV tester
Trifield Broadband Meter extended sensetivity version
Aaronia spectran NF-5010.
Inside Rexton I'm find almost no magnetic fields.

But I have no instruments for measuring radio frequencies. Trifield not considered because of its low sensitivity in that range.

Now I want to buy a device for measuring radio frequencies, but can not decide which one I want. Lately I've been leaning toward solutions from Gigahertz due to the fact that there can be very easy to acoustically monitor the entire range. But the price ...
I need advice with this.


-But still I unplug everything I am not using and even turn my electric-power off at the road at night.
Do you live in a private house?

I live in an apartment house. With spectran I found several frequencies, which is in any part of the apartment: 50Hz - up to 1mG
145Hz - up to 0.7mG
445Hz - up to 0.2mG

Everything is clear with 50Hz, but 145 and 445 ... where they from...

Dmitriy

Hello,

with such a radio you may pick up one or two frequencies.

However, in *dirty air*, there are a lot of disturbing frequencies, and over a wide frequency band.

Please have a look at:
http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina11.html
and then scroll down to: 10-04-2011 *Dirty air*.

Never mind the durtch language; it is the pictures that are important.
The first spectrumanalysis is made on a grounding line.
The second was made on a cooking stove.
Similar spectrumanalysises were made in the open air.

See, that between 2.000 and 5.000 kHz (or 2 and 5 MHz) as well as between 8.000 and 11.000 kHz (or 8 and 11 MHz) many spikes were present.

Many technical people will say, that the amount of the peaks are too low for people te react, but that is not the case for electrosensitives, who may have adverse health complaint from such small elektrosmog frequencies.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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  Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 8:05 PM
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  Hi emraware!

  Thanks for the idea about the radio - I tried to use the MW band radio at
  530kHz.
  Results are as follows - in some places in a car that almost no harm to my
  health (Lada), I found a lot of noise.
  In the car, which greatly hurts my health (Rexton) - silence!
  I'm confused ...

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Hello Dmitriy

you should try with your Spectran NF 5010 to mount an antenna, perhaps a telescopic one, on the analog bus.

And then make a sweep.
Better is using a laptop or notebook with the free LCS software.
That way you will find much more disturbing frequencies.
But only up to 1 MHz.

I have a 5020 and a 5035, with up to 20, resp. 30 MHz expansion.
The 5020 I use for measuring electrical fields (AC) and magnetical fields (AC and DC).
The 5035 I use for measuring frequencies in wallplugs (with differential probe) as well as in the air (the dirty air).

For high frequencies I use a Spectran HF 60105 V4, with a number of different antennas.
With the Spectran HF. one can mopnitor all sorts of frequency bands, and even see, which provider is sending on which antenna.
The new Hyperlog 6080 X antenna is very sensitive, and even measures down to ca. 80 MHz.

The Gigahertz meters are broadband meters. You do not know what kind of signal you are measuring, or you must buy an expensive filter, which makes it very costly.

Please read the issue of *het bitje* November 2010, the english version.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Dmirtiy
  To: [hidden email]
  Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 8:31 PM
  Subject: [eSens] Re: I hope that here I not only find answers to my questions, but also can be useful for others!


  Hi Diane!

  -Your English is almost perfect!
  Thank you! I tried as best I could)))

  -Depending on where the emfs are coming from and from what
  I came to the conclusion that not only the magnitude of the signal has a
  value, the modulation is also very important.

  -Can you ride in any cars comfortably?
  Yes, I can comfortably ride in my car (Lada) with a carburetor (not
  injection) engine long enough. Although there are many different vibrations.
  Recently, I drove the new Mazda 3 for 10 minutes, it was awful: numbness and
  tingling in his hands immediately. There was almost no vibration.
  After several hours behind the wheel of the new Opel Corsa (also a little
  vibration), I felt much better than after the Mazda. Opel had very little
  vibration too.
  As I wrote, my diesel Rexton - the worst car for me, although in theory it
  should be contrary.
  I have to note, that the Lada and Opel have cloth seats, while Mazda and
  Rexton leather ones. Maybe it provokes the accumulation of static
  electricity when driving?

  -Alternator
  I disabled it in my rexton. Completely removed the belt from pulley.
  I measured the radiation at low frequencies in rexton - they are very low. I
  used 3 devices:
  EMV tester http://esens.966376.n3.nabble.com/file/n2812563/P1490973.jpg 
  Trifield Broadband Meter extended sensetivity version
  http://esens.966376.n3.nabble.com/file/n2812563/P1490974.jpg 
  Aaronia spectran NF-5010.
  http://esens.966376.n3.nabble.com/file/n2812563/P1490975.jpg 
  Inside Rexton I'm find almost no magnetic fields.

  But I have no instruments for measuring radio frequencies. Trifield not
  considered because of its low sensitivity in that range.

  Now I want to buy a device for measuring radio frequencies, but can not
  decide which one I want. Lately I've been leaning toward solutions from
  Gigahertz due to the fact that there can be very easy to acoustically
  monitor the entire range. But the price ...
  I need advice with this.


  -But still I unplug everything I am not using and even turn my
  electric-power off at the road at night.
  Do you live in a private house?

  I live in an apartment house. With spectran I found several frequencies,
  which is in any part of the apartment: 50Hz - up to 1mG
  145Hz - up to 0.7mG
  445Hz - up to 0.2mG

  Everything is clear with 50Hz, but 145 and 445 ... where they from...

  Dmitriy

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It seems like the ideal meter would be a broad band receiver
with no filtering at all.  I have in mind to build one.

Of course there is no antenna that is efficient at all frequencies,
but I think a simple loop antenna, or maybe one large and one
small, might be adequate.

Your observations are interesting.  Indeed the car bothering you
could be terrible at 10 MHz or 100 MHz, or even have a
microwave transmitter...

Bill

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Don't be confused. Not everyone reacts to every frequency band. Sounds
like the lower AM band is not what you are sensitive to.

Stewart


> Thanks for the idea about the radio - I tried to use the MW band radio at
> 530kHz.
> Results are as follows - in some places in a car that almost no harm to my
> health (Lada), I found a lot of noise.
> In the car, which greatly hurts my health (Rexton) - silence!
> I'm confused ...
>  

Hi Dmirtriy,

First, the idea of the radio came from others on the forum, but I'm glad you found it helpful!

Second, you are right. The AM radio is only one of several aspects to be looking at.  I looked at some new cars and found usually the car had either:
(a) High magnetic field with quiet AM radio, or
(b) Low magnetic field but with noisy AM radio -- some with just one type of noise, and others with differently pitched noises, esp. the more features that there are.  You may need to look for the base models to get lower EMF.

Rarely will you find a new car with both low magnetic field and quiet AM radio, due to the introduction of many more computers and electronics in the car, and even then, it may still be bothersome b/c
EMF is a multi-headed monster of all different kinds: (1) AC electric (2) AC magnetic (3) Digital harmonics on the AM radio (4) Wireless (those with bluetooth, etc. maybe even some GPS's?) (5) who knows what else...

We are only measuring 2 aspects.  I would like to know also if there are additional meters I should be using to evaluate a car.


--- In [hidden email], Dmirtiy <nikolaevdn@...> wrote:

Dont know if anyone has a meter to measure extremely low wavelength magnetic fields, but I read a research paper a year or so ago that demonstrated that the metal bands in tyres create strong magnetic fields when the car is moving at speed. At a very low wavelength between 0 and 25hz.

Cheers

Charlie

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From: emraware <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: Thanks for the idea about the radio!
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, 13 April, 2011, 3:52







 



 


   
     
     
      Hi Dmirtriy,



First, the idea of the radio came from others on the forum, but I'm glad you found it helpful!



Second, you are right. The AM radio is only one of several aspects to be looking at.  I looked at some new cars and found usually the car had either:

(a) High magnetic field with quiet AM radio, or

(b) Low magnetic field but with noisy AM radio -- some with just one type of noise, and others with differently pitched noises, esp. the more features that there are.  You may need to look for the base models to get lower EMF.



Rarely will you find a new car with both low magnetic field and quiet AM radio, due to the introduction of many more computers and electronics in the car, and even then, it may still be bothersome b/c

EMF is a multi-headed monster of all different kinds: (1) AC electric (2) AC magnetic (3) Digital harmonics on the AM radio (4) Wireless (those with bluetooth, etc. maybe even some GPS's?) (5) who knows what else...



We are only measuring 2 aspects.  I would like to know also if there are additional meters I should be using to evaluate a car.



--- In [hidden email], Dmirtiy <nikolaevdn@...> wrote:

>

> Hi emraware!

>

> Thanks for the idea about the radio - I tried to use the MW band radio at

> 530kHz.

> Results are as follows - in some places in a car that almost no harm to my

> health (Lada), I found a lot of noise.

> In the car, which greatly hurts my health (Rexton) - silence!

> I'm confused ...

>

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Now that I think of it, I also remember Samuel Milham's book "Dirty Electricity" mentioned his cheaper meter being able to measure 10 Hz magnetic fields from steel-belted tires, which he claims more expensive meters did not measure.  Maybe the AM radio is also not sensitive for such low frequencies.  

He mentions a couple meters here:
http://www.sammilham.com/Magnetic%20fields%20from%20steel-belted%20radial%20tires.pdf

Beginning of Abstract:
"Magnetic fields emanate from radial tires due to the presence of reinforcing belts which are made of magnetized steel wire. When these tires spin, they generate alternating magnetic fields of extremely
low frequency (ELF), usually below 20 Hz. The fundamental frequency of these fields is determined by tire rotation rate and has a sinusoidal waveform with a high harmonic content. The static field of
radial tires can exceed 500 mT at the tread, and the tire-generated alternating fields can exceed 2.0 mT at seat level in the passenger compartment of vehicles."


--- In [hidden email], blue green <blagrongra@...> wrote:

It's great to see the spectrum of radiation, but ... My 5010 emits EMF itself. It does not matter if I do not use it for a long time, but the 5010 measure is very slow. In addition, I hoped to quickly locate sources of radiation by the sound. But this feature of 5010 is very inconvenient. Besides, I heard that Gigahertz meters do not generate EMF.

All LCD displays do emit EMF.

Even the small clocks, the blue light of an USB hub, display of cv-thermostat, etc.
So also the display of the Gigahertz meters.

I know because I am specialist in measuring *dirty air*.

Greetings,
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www.milieuziektes.be
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  Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 10:29 PM
  Subject: [eSens] My 5010 emits EMF itself.


  It's great to see the spectrum of radiation, but ... My 5010 emits EMF
  itself. It does not matter if I do not use it for a long time, but the 5010
  measure is very slow. In addition, I hoped to quickly locate sources of
  radiation by the sound. But this feature of 5010 is very inconvenient.
  Besides, I heard that Gigahertz meters do not generate EMF.

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Dmirtiy wrote:
> My 5010 emits EMF itself.

Yes, very very disappointing, isn't it?

>  But this feature of 5010 is very inconvenient.
> Besides, I heard that Gigahertz meters do not generate EMF.
>  

Better to phrase it, they (Gigahertz meters) generate less EMF.

> All LCD displays do emit EMF.
>
> Even the small clocks, the blue light of an USB hub, display of cv-thermostat, etc.
> So also the display of the Gigahertz meters.
>  

But wouldn't you agree those emit _Less_ EMF? or lower amplitudes that
don't travel as far?

> I know because I am specialist in measuring *dirty air*.
>  

But you use and recommend a Spectran.

My Spectran I wish I had not bought, is loud enough to be picked up on
other quieter meters, at least 12 ft (4 m) away!
http://seahorseCorral.org/ehs1.html

Stewart

Sure, one can compare camels with onions.

The use of Gigahertz NF meters are very limited.
With a Spectran NF one can measure magnetic fields in 3D !! Standard !!
I measure *dirty power* and *dirty air* from 1 Hz up to 30 MHz !
Very often, in the *Stetzer range* (5 kHz to 150 kHz) the peaks are not high, but often I find heavy peaks between 3 MHz and 15 MHz.

In my collection of recorded modulations, I have also placed those of a very expensive Rohde&Schwarz spectrumanalyser, who emits also a lot of EMF.

I suppose that you hold your meters against your head while measuring, like one does with a cell phone.
I suppose that you did not read the manual completely.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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  From: S Andreason
  To: [hidden email]
  Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 5:48 AM
  Subject: Re: [eSens] My 5010 emits EMF itself.


  Dmirtiy wrote:
  > My 5010 emits EMF itself.

  Yes, very very disappointing, isn't it?

  >  But this feature of 5010 is very inconvenient.
  > Besides, I heard that Gigahertz meters do not generate EMF.
  >  

  Better to phrase it, they (Gigahertz meters) generate less EMF.

  > All LCD displays do emit EMF.
  >
  > Even the small clocks, the blue light of an USB hub, display of cv-thermostat, etc.
  > So also the display of the Gigahertz meters.
  >  

  But wouldn't you agree those emit _Less_ EMF? or lower amplitudes that
  don't travel as far?

  > I know because I am specialist in measuring *dirty air*.
  >  

  But you use and recommend a Spectran.

  My Spectran I wish I had not bought, is loud enough to be picked up on
  other quieter meters, at least 12 ft (4 m) away!
  http://seahorseCorral.org/ehs1.html

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charles wrote:
> Sure, one can compare camels with onions.
>  
Well they do both have a strong odor. :D

> The use of Gigahertz NF meters are very limited.
> With a Spectran NF one can measure magnetic fields in 3D !! Standard !!
> I measure *dirty power* and *dirty air* from 1 Hz up to 30 MHz !
> Very often, in the *Stetzer range* (5 kHz to 150 kHz) the peaks are not high, but often I find heavy peaks between 3 MHz and 15 MHz.
>  
Technically very superior and impressive, yes.
But not for the electrically sensitive.

> expensive Rohde&Schwarz spectrumanalyser, who emits also a lot of EMF.
>  
That is unfortunate.

> I suppose that you hold your meters against your head while measuring, like one does with a cell phone.
>  

No of course not, but I have been known to hold it in my hand. Or have
it 1 meter away when using the LCS software.
Perhaps I should only report on how far out the bubble goes, only record
where the emissions are barely detectable. That would be 1 cm for the
camel, and 400 cm for the onion.

> I suppose that you did not read the manual completely.
>  
Why does everyone conclude that? Because I am trying to measure my
surroundings in an unapproved way?
I'm sorry you can't do that. Stop trying to find out what part of the
spectrum is active in your area.
Might as well put in bold typeface, you may only use this meter with LCS
software and approved known ranges for cellphones, etc.

The USA frequencies are not showing anything in the rural 900 MHz band,
except look, a little tiny blip in 2 frames of my 4 minute video I set
the camera up on a tripod for. I must be using it wrong.
Also when I upgraded, the said V4 would now detect W-LAN beacons.
Sure.
I can detect beacons at 350 meters with the camel, but not at 30 meters
with the onion. I must be using the wrong LCS profile setting! Sure.

I email Aaronia, and they can't understand my english, and I can't
understand their  germanized-english.

Be careful, I might start ranting, but nobody is willing to tell me how
to use the device, just keep reading the manual ad infinium.

Stewart

I have used a spectran HF and NF.  The HF causes
TV interference at several feet.  Not good, but
I have not felt myself obviously react to it.
Unlike other handheld spectrum analyzers, including Fluke
which is well respected.  So fluke bothers me, spectran
have not noticed (but others with EHS do find the spectran
HF very bothersome).

I expect to try some other handhelds soon.  I've heard the
cheap Velleman handheld oscilloscopes are not too bad
in terms of emissions.  But it is pretty limited functionally.

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I have Valleman HPS40 scope. It emits up to 15 MG. I use it for its intended purpose, so I do not have to keep it in hands. Usually it is on the table and connected to the component under test. It affects me, but I see no alternative. Devices such appointments are not developing for low emissions.
But spectran surprised me a little. I was hoping that the developers have taken measures to reduce EMF, but it uses a pulsed voltage converter. Normal instrument, but not the best choice for me.
Nevertheless, I continue to use valleman and spectran, when really necessary.