Howdy, and Inquiry About EMF Detox Symptoms

Hi folks:

I just joined this list group yesterday, but I have been browsing and
searching the the past posts in the archives for about the past five
days. I am writing today to say hello, and to note that I am rather
impressed at the quality of most of the posts on this list group. I
offer my congratulations to the list group owner -- I run many list
groups myself, some of them quite large, and it is amazing to me the
number of trolls and flamers (and spammers) who regularly try to send
bizarre or inappropriate messages to list groups; in fact, I am
converting more and more of my groups to private, application-only
membership for that reason. . .

First, a brief introduction: I am a research scientist with a
graduate degree (Masters level plus some doctoral work, degree earned
in 1992) in the health sciences and also appreciable training at the
graduate level in several systems of acupuncture and Asian medicine,
and I am also a spiritual healer and intuitive. In fact, much of my
scientific research work in the realms of beneficial microbes and
antioxidants is actually guided by intuition, rather than by the
intellectual logical "mind". I also run a number of informational
websites and list groups on beneficial microbes (particularly EM),
raw food diets which include raw animal foods, sungazing and some
other fun topics. If you wish to know more about me (and I note that
a few members here already belong to some of my list groups) feel
free to check out my "home page" website at www.vinnypinto.us, which
kinda organizes the rest of my work and sites.

I am writing today to ask a bit about your experiences with EMF detox
symptoms, and I have already searched the current archives on the
group home page and read many of the past posts on this topic. Here
is what I am asking and why I am asking:

I have been doing occasional R&D in the field of EMF protective
devices since 1974, and have also occasionally used EMF protective
devices since that time, and, in fact, I was one of the first owners
of the Earth Resonance Generator (aka ERG, which used a tiny signal
generator (a UJT oscillator) running at near the fundemental f of the
Schumann resonance, at about 8 Hz) which Patrick Flanagan introduced
in the late 1970s. I have also owned three of the Clarus devices
since the very early 1990s, namely, the Clarus power strip, the
Clarus Clear Wave clock (one of the early models from 1991, using a
re-labeled Radio Shack digital clock), and the Clarus QLink pendant
(which I replaced with a newer model in 1999 when I lost the first
one...) I have never noticed any cleansing or detox effects with any
of these devices, nor with any of a half-dozen or more other brands
and types of protective devices (including the various Aulterra and
Etherium rock dusts) with which I have played since the early 1980s.
I have also NEVER noticed any significant detox effects with any of
the earlier generations of my own EMF protective devices which I
built and used in the years between 1975 and 2005.

However... When I designed and built the latest generation of what I
call my Coherent Space Quantum Coherence devices earlier this year, I
was rather amazed at the fact that in addition to some obvious
benefits which I noticed for myself such as having more energy and
focus each day (and this is something which I had never particularly
noticed with the three Clarus devices; the power strip and clock are
still running today in my home office area. . .), my wife Sue and I
shortly started to develop classic and temporary detox symptoms, such
as periodic fatigue, need for more naps, headaches, noticeable
increase in body odor, and even brief cold and flu symptoms. I have
had my share of detox and cleansing symptoms in the past, largely due
to early stages of acupuncture, complex homeopathy (Apex Energetics),
raw food diets or starting to ingest EM microbial/antioxidant
products (as I have discussed elsewhere on the web, I had some heavy
mercury exposures earlier in life, so detox symptoms were not
unexpected), but I was a bit stunned, as I had never considered
myself at all electrosensitive, and I had never experienced EMF detox
with ANY other devices.

For each of us (Sue and me), the detox symptoms -- which started on
about the third day of exposure -- passed within a couple of weeks,
leaving just the energy, calmness and clarity, and then we hit
another wave of even stronger -- but similar -- temporary detox
symptoms when I started running one of my negentropic (i.e.,
anti-entropic) field effect devices alongside the quantucm coherence
device. This latter wave also passed within two to three weeks from start.

Now, here is where it gets strange: I have since been guided on an
inner level to create one more type of device (much like the
negentropic field effect device, this is not primarily a quantum
coherence device, but rather a more specialized device which seems to
emit a beneficial bioenergy field), and amazingly (to me, as this was
totally unexpected), once I set up this device (it is called the
Violet Light of Peace) and it had been running nonstop for a few
days, Sue and I ended up enduring several weeks of very intense detox
symptoms, which started largely as brain fog and blurred vision, and
a feeling of not being able to take a deep breath, and then shifted
largely to fatigue and heaviness and increased sleep need, and the
symptoms are only now winding down after about three very intense
weeks. In fact, at three times during the past weeks, I grew so tired
of the intense detox symptoms that I briefly moved the device (which
has a radius of strongest effect of about 50 feet) for about 24 hours
at a time to a storage buildng on our property which is located about
90 feet from the house, just to get a break from detox! (I did this
despite constant reassurance on an inner level that the detox
symptoms were temporary and would pass, as I get a bit tired of
non-stop detox symptoms...!)

Since I have been marketing prototypes of some of my Quantum
Coherence devices to a small and select audience of experimenters and
researchers, I notice that I have been receiving reports from a
minority (perhaps 25% at most ) of the users of my quantum coherence
devices, reporting similar temporary bouts of detox symptoms.
However, even more telling, since I talk quite freely (in contrast to
most other sites) about EMF detox symptoms on my Coherent Space
website ( www.coherentspace.info ), I am starting to receive emails
and phone calls from users of other brands and types of EMF
protective devices who report that they seemed to notice detox
effects when first using their devices (i.e., those other brands) and
asking me if I believe that it is possible that those symptoms are
truly detox effects; many seem to have been particularly confused
because most vendors downplay or outright ignore such possible
temporary detox effects, and thus they were unable to receive any
answers or reassurance from their vendor. So far, the reports of
temporary detox seem to be coming from a few users of the Quantum
Products devices, the Clarus QLink pendants, and the SpringLife
Polarizers, although I have heard one or two reports of possible
detox effects from exposure to the Aulterra material (a mined rock
dust) also. And, interestingly, this morning I noticed that someone
(from Great Britain) who stumbled upon my Coherent Space web site had
gotten there by typing the term [Clarus QLink detox effect] in Google
search engine!

Anyway, after that painstaking history, here are a question or two
for you, if you will; I am not looking for formal survey-type
replies, but rather just hoping to start a bit of discussion and sharing:

1) What percentage of EMF protective devices which you have tried
have seemed to produce detox effects?
2) How long did the longest periods of detox effects seem to last?
3) Have you ever experienced detox effects such as blurred vision or
heaviness, or diffulty in drawing a deep breath, coupled with intense fatigue?

Thanks much in advance for sharing!

with care,
--Vinny


Vinny Pinto
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phone 301-694-1249

To see my informational websites and e-mail list groups, please go to:
http://www.vinnypinto.us

Welcome to eSens, Vinny!

I've tried a lot of EMF protection devices over the years, and
have a variety of reactions to them. In some cases, I'm never
sure if they are really "detox" reactions or simply "bad reactions".
Generally, if it only lasts a few days/weeks and then goes away, I'd
classify it as a detox reaction. If it continues and gets worse, then
I tend to classify that as a "bad reaction", although it certainly
could be a detox symptom that my elimination systems cannot deal
with.

The items from Quantum Products certainly caused me some initial
fatigue, nausea, etc. I initially noticed this with two of their
power strips plugged into outlets in my house. Later when I got
the stronger items such as the Quantum Pro, I found that the
detox symptoms never fully went away (not even now, 5 years later),
but I certainly find it beneficial in short bursts at the
lower settings.

Springlife Polarizers also caused me an initial detox. After
about 15 minutes exposure to the OM pendant, I was feeling
bad and had to get it away from me. Over the next few weeks
I was able to build up my tolerance to it, but again, even
now, several years later, I only use the smaller items from them,
as the larger ones will make me feel bad within an hour.

I had a similar initial reaction to the Electromagnetic Pollution
Rectifier pendants from BeWisePolarize.com. This reaction
did eventually go away.

The pendants sold at Earthcalm.com cause me to get all sweaty
and I get a headache after a short while. I've never been
able to build up much of a tolerance to these, but I'm
pretty sure this a detox reaction.

Some of the devices I've tried cause a completely different
reaction -- chest pains and panic attacks. I think this
may also be a detox reaction, as I've had this same
reaction from certain detoxifying supplements (e.g, Modifilan,
Natural Cellular Defense). Examples of these are the "Safe
Space II", "Environmental Protection Card", and "Personal
Rejuvenizer Pendant".

Certainly there have been products that have provoked no
initial detox reaction. However, these products seem to
have produced no noticeable EMF protection effect either
(e.g Clarus Q-Link, Bioelectric Shield, Teslar watch).

Since I haven't kept good notes, I can't really even
say at this point how many devices I've tried (I'm sure
that it's well over 30). I'd say that less than half
have caused a detox or bad reaction, while more than
half appeared to do little to nothing.

As for the "longest period" of detox, I can't really
say on that, as I usually back off or discontinue anything
that is causing a long-term detox reaction. I don't
really think that's a healthy thing to do, as the
rest of your body probably can't handle all those
toxins and you're probably causing redistribution
of toxins. I'd even say that EMF protection devices
are a poor way to detoxify, as there is no physical
substance to bind to the toxins and escort them
out of the system. Although using them in moderation
and combining them with increased use of water,
fiber, and antioxidants seems to work well.

> Have you ever experienced detox effects such as
> blurred vision or heaviness, or diffulty in drawing a
> deep breath, coupled with intense fatigue?

I've certainly had difficulty in getting enough
oxygen, although an oxygen supplement like Cellfood
gets me through that problem. I can't recall
blurred vision, although that sounds like a symptom
of mobilized toxins.

My advice is to simply not overdo it. I choose to
keep myself at "just the edge", where I still
feel good, but I know that if I do just a little bit
more, then I'll start feeling bad from the detox.
This keeps me functional, but the downside is
that it seems to be never-ending... I've been
doing this "low level detox" for 6 years and
counting...

Marc

...oh, and on the subject of EMF protection device vendors
being upfront about possible detox symptoms, I'd say that
this varies. In some cases, I'll phone the manufacturer
and they'll say that they've never heard of such a reaction.
In other cases, vendors will affirm that it can cause an
initial detox reaction, but won't put that in their marketing
materials or their user instructions.

Off the top of my head, Earthcalm and Dimensional Design
deserve credit for warning their users that they may
experience initial detox effects from their products.
And indeed, these are two lines of products that I don't
use on a regular basis because of my strong reaction to
them.

Marc

> I run many list
> groups myself, some of them quite large, and it is amazing to me the
> number of trolls and flamers (and spammers) who regularly try to send
> bizarre or inappropriate messages to list groups

Yes, we get those here as well. However, I have this group set to
"moderate new members". So when someone makes their first post,
I can see if they are a spammer or not. If they are a spammer,
I just delete the message before it's sent out. If not, I change
their settings so that they are allowed to post freely. If
at some point later I find that someone has a tendency to post
irrelevant things on the list, I either warn them to stop doing
this, or put them in permanent moderation mode and delete anything
they try to post which is not relevant.

I run 3 discussion groups on Yahoo, and I run them all this way.
Seems to work well.

Marc

> as I get a bit tired of non-stop detox symptoms...

Of course, when detox symptoms become "non-stop", one
must question whether they are detox symptoms at all.
I'm sure that there are people on this list (me included)
who wonder if whatever these devices do are even *good*
for you! I mean, sure, we see reports of people feeling
better and having better energy, but I think someone
who is addicted to caffeine would report the same
benefits from a cup of coffee! What I would like to
see is some evidence of someone becoming much healthier
as a result of using these devices. I guess that
I could consider myself as being one of those people,
but you should note that I use these devices as little
as I can get away with, and do not subscribe to the
belief that "more is better".

Also Vinny, if you're producing coherent devices, I
hope you've taken a look at what's already available
from Quantum Products, Green 8, RA*D*AR cards, etc.
Some of these items are pretty cheap, and some
have been around for a long time. Also, as someone
who is sensitive to having too much of this type
of energy, I can say that it's really nice that
some of the items from Quantum Products have an
adjustable strength setting, and most importantly,
the ability to turn them *off* (something that you
cannot do with many devices)

Marc

Hi Marc:

Thanks for your note. Comments below!

At 12:20 PM 8/28/2006, you wrote:
Yes, ove the years I think that I have gotten a pretty good sense of
what is a detox reaction and what is simply distasteful or toxic, and
more and more, I find that the intuitive sense can also tell me.
However, in general, if the symptoms last a short time, such as a
couple of days to perhaps three weeks, and if they finally wind down
leaving me feeling better than before, then I feel that it was
usually a detox symptom. Strangely, there are some raw diets out
there where the self-appointed "diet gurus" (usually rigid
fundamentalists) claim that an adherent will undergo seriuos and
painful detox symptoms for the first 30 to 45 years, or longer. One
such guru has recently publicly announced that his own detox, which
he had orignally announced would last for 33 years, will now last for
45 or more years. To me, this is insanity!

>The items from Quantum Products certainly caused me some initial
>fatigue, nausea, etc. I initially noticed this with two of their
>power strips plugged into outlets in my house. Later when I got
>the stronger items such as the Quantum Pro, I found that the
>detox symptoms never fully went away (not even now, 5 years later),
>but I certainly find it beneficial in short bursts at the
>lower settings.

Interesting!

Interesting... thanks!

>Certainly there have been products that have provoked no
>initial detox reaction. However, these products seem to
>have produced no noticeable EMF protection effect either
>(e.g Clarus Q-Link, Bioelectric Shield, Teslar watch).

Well, the Clarus technology is a bit interesting. The vendor admits
that the device is an intent-based radionic-imprinted device, and
they state in their marketing material that the primary purpose of
the pendants is to amplify the paterns of the biofield/aura, to make
it more resistant to any external insults or stresses. This is very
different from the quantum smoothing devices, which largely ignore
the biofield and aura, except to the extent that a person (who will,
of course, "own" and aura/biofield may occupy the space enveloped in
the area treatment.

I have an acquaintance who is a very good clairvoyant, and he reports
that of all the devices he has ever been given to test -- and there
have been many (no, has not yet tested mine) -- he has found, using
his clairvoyant vision, that only the Clarus pendant instantly
improves and strengthens the aura of the wearer, although he concedes
that this does not necessarly mean that the Clarus pendant helps to
protect the wearer against EMF stresses. In fact, he reports that
many of the pendants and larger devices which he has been sent by
other vendors -- including some very high end pendants selling in the
$700 to $2,500 price range, and some area devices selling in the
$1,000 to $5,000 range, have instantly felt so toxic or so harsh that
he literally had to immediately walk them across the house and stash
them somewhere FAR away from him. I have asked him if some of this
could be due to detox (he is very famliar with detox) but he does not
seem very convinced that this is why those devices simply felt "bad"
to him. In fact, he has been given some highly touted and very
expensive devices to test -- again using his clairvoyant sense and
some intuition -- and has felt that they offered no benefit or were
harmful. Now, the funny thing is that he admits that some of the
devices which he has nixed are devices which friends and
acquaintances of his love very much, and feel that they are helping
them very much. And, vice versa, even though he "approves" of the
Clarus pendants, we both know people who feel no beneficial effects from them.

I assume that this dissonance and contrast is due to individual
response across persons to variuos devices, but it may also be due to
some particular "slant" or flavor of his clairvoyant gift and
intuitive gift. In my case, I am a pretty good intuitive, and I have
been presented with many devices over the years by people who were
very enthsuiastic about them, and my inner sense instantly said
either "No, no effect, do not bother" or "No, very little effect, not
worth it", and yet I had friends or acquaintances who loved the
devices (some of them very pricey.) On the other hand, there have
been devices on the market which I felt were quite solid and
beneficial, and yet some friends and acquaintances found little or no
benefit from them.

And, while on the topic of Clarus pendants, one funny and brief
Clarus Qlink story: I mentioned earlier that I have owned a Clarus
Qlink pendant since 1991 or 1992, and have owned and used (in my home
office) the Clarus clock and power strip since 1991 or 1992, although
I have noticed little effect from them. In 1999 or 2000, I purchase a
new Qlink pendant as I had lost the original pendant. With this new
pendant (a newer technology, according to Clarus), I found that I
could not wear it for more than an hour without feeling what felt
like a "harsh" effect; my intuition told me that this was not a detox
and that the effect was undesirable. Interestingly, after three years
of ingesting lots of EM-fermented (beneficial microbes plus
antioxidants produced by them) products and witnessing some nice
health improvements due to that, I suddenly found a few months ago
that I could not wear the QLink pendant without any of my former
complaints, and that it seemed to help me a bit as well.

>Since I haven't kept good notes, I can't really even
>say at this point how many devices I've tried (I'm sure
>that it's well over 30). I'd say that less than half
>have caused a detox or bad reaction, while more than
>half appeared to do little to nothing.

About the same here, and some felt downright toxic...

>As for the "longest period" of detox, I can't really
>say on that, as I usually back off or discontinue anything
>that is causing a long-term detox reaction.

Yes, my own limit is about 3 to 3.5 weeks, and afte that I tend to
back off, even if my intuition continues to assure me that it is only detox.

For me, water and lots of antioxidants, particularly in the form of
EM microbial liquids, seem to help a lot. Sleep also helps!

> > Have you ever experienced detox effects such as
> > blurred vision or heaviness, or diffulty in drawing a
> > deep breath, coupled with intense fatigue?
>
>I've certainly had difficulty in getting enough
>oxygen, although an oxygen supplement like Cellfood
>gets me through that problem. I can't recall
>blurred vision, although that sounds like a symptom
>of mobilized toxins.

Yes, this is one is starting to surface among some users of my
devices -- myself included -- who had lots of mercury in their bodies
at one tie.

>My advice is to simply not overdo it.

Exactly!

>I choose to
>keep myself at "just the edge", where I still
>feel good, but I know that if I do just a little bit
>more, then I'll start feeling bad from the detox.
>This keeps me functional, but the downside is
>that it seems to be never-ending... I've been
>doing this "low level detox" for 6 years and
>counting...

Ouch! I have been far luckier -- my detoxes have ben infrequent and
never last more than a few days to a few weeks at most. If I were in
your shoes, noticing those same symptoms, I might wish to play with
ingesting some EM antioxidative microbial products, perhaps a
food-grade EM culture such as SCD's Efficient Microbes(EM) (
www.scdworld.com ; feel free to use my discount code of VP2004 to get
a 7% discount on product price), perhaps starting with one tablespoon
three times per day, and, if I had a history of health problems, I
would likely also take, for the first two months, another
EM-fermented liquid from SCD called Xtra(EM) (unsterilized version)
as well, as this contains some powerful electron shuttle nutrients
which can potentize the antioxidants in the EM and in the diet. And,
if I had a major problem with health and energy, I would likely
ingest a fulvic acid product for about four to six months, along, of
course, with some EM.

with care,
--Vinny




Vinny Pinto
[hidden email]

phone 301-694-1249

To see my informational websites and e-mail list groups, please go to:
http://www.vinnypinto.us

Hi Marc:

Yes, some ignore it, some engage in outright denial, and others point
out that it may pop up in the early stages.

I wonder if your ongoing reaction to the Earthcalm and DD devices is
true detox or just that your body does not like the effects?

with care,
--Vinny

At 12:37 PM 8/28/2006, you wrote:

Vinny Pinto
[hidden email]

phone 301-694-1249

To see my informational websites and e-mail list groups, please go to:
http://www.vinnypinto.us

Hi Marc:

Thanks for your note. Comments below!

At 12:54 PM 8/28/2006, you wrote:
Yes, I run 14 list groups (two at MSN adn Topica), several of them
(i.e. raw food diet, sungazing, etc.) on very controversial topics
which tend to attract a lot of fanatics, fundamentalists and zealots,
as well as Internet trolls who need to direct their rage somewhere. I
also run four other list groups under another Yahoo identity, all
devoted to an extreme outdoor adventure sport in which I am involved
-- I prefer to keep those two worlds at arms-length most of the time...!

I am starting to switch more and more of the groups to
membership-application/approval only, although I do use the "moderate
posts from new members" feature on all of my groups; it is very
useful, and helps us to identify the trolls as well as the spammers.

Have fun! And, thanks for running this group! I continue to be
impressed with the relatively high quality of the posts, compared to
most groups out there!

with care,
--Vinny




Vinny Pinto
[hidden email]

phone 301-694-1249

To see my informational websites and e-mail list groups, please go to:
http://www.vinnypinto.us

> I might wish to play with
> ingesting some EM antioxidative microbial products, perhaps a
> food-grade EM culture such as SCD's Efficient Microbes(EM) (
> www.scdworld.com

Thanks! I'll look into that -- I've certainly had good (although
temporary) results from some of the stronger antioxidants on
the market -- Microhydrin, Mega-H, Amrit, etc. (no effect
at all from ascorbic acid), but haven't tried any EM products.

Marc

> I wonder if your ongoing reaction to the Earthcalm and DD devices is
> true detox or just that your body does not like the effects?

I had the Earthcalm pendant once sent to Linda Townsend, who
used to run Bioharmonics.com and sold Springlife Polarizers.
Her testing indicated that the pendant was "mostly beneficial",
but could stress a few body systems because it was not perfectly
in balance (she claimed that the Springlife Polarizers were
in perfect balance).

I also took the pendant to my nutritionist, who is also intuitive,
and she felt that it was "too grounding", whatever that means...
I got the impression that she thought a person's energy should
flow a bit more freely than this pendant was allowing.

I did find the pendant to be beneficial in short bursts (e.g.,
an hour at a time), but ultimately I lost it and never replaced
it.

Marc

Hi Marc:

Thanks for your note. A few brief comments inserted interlined below,
and then I must get back to my lab; it is 4 PM and I have not yet
gotten started today in the lab, and I can hear all the lonely
electrons and protons and subspace quantum fields calling to me!

More below!

At 01:16 PM 8/28/2006, you wrote:
> > as I get a bit tired of non-stop detox symptoms...
>
>Of course, when detox symptoms become "non-stop", one
>must question whether they are detox symptoms at all.

Yes, I always assume it is a toxic effect if it lasts more than 3.5
weeks. This new Violet Light of Peace device of mine resulted in a
very strong detox effect that lasted for a bit over 3 weeks, and I
eventually moved it out of the house a few times to get a break even
though my intution (and also advice from other intuitives) warned me
that this was necessary, and that the detox would soon pass. It did
finally pass, and I have found a new level of energy and clarity (and
calm) then before, and I find too that I can go deeper more easily in
my meditaitions and intuitive work, but that 3 week cleansing was
about my limit, in terms of my patience!

>I'm sure that there are people on this list (me included)
>who wonder if whatever these devices do are even *good*
>for you! I mean, sure, we see reports of people feeling
>better and having better energy, but I think someone
>who is addicted to caffeine would report the same
>benefits from a cup of coffee!

I can almost certainly say that some of the devices being marketed
are likely not beneficial for most people, and that some may be
downright harmful for many people. I am starting to rely more and
more on inner intuitive guidance in picking and choosing among such
devices, and even whether to use them at all.

>What I would like to
>see is some evidence of someone becoming much healthier
>as a result of using these devices. I guess that
>I could consider myself as being one of those people,
>but you should note that I use these devices as little
>as I can get away with, and do not subscribe to the
>belief that "more is better".

Yes, I am a minimalist too. Drinking water is a good example: We live
in the mountains of Western Maryland in a wilderness area, and we use
moutain well water, and a good number of visitors to our home are
always SHOCKED to discover that I employ absolutely ZERO (zilch,
none) water filtration or water treatment, and that my tap water
comes directly from the well via the cold water storage tank, even
replete with a bit of clay on some days.

In fact, until I came up with the latest generation of my devices, I
never even regularly used my earlier generation(s) of my own
protective devices regularly, although my one concession has been to
keep the two Clarus devices (clock, power strip) running at all times
in my home office area. Of coure, with what Bill Tiller (aka Dr.
William Tiller) is now saying about "effect fade" over time in the
intent-based radionic-type devices such as the Clarus devices, some
of my friends are teasingly telling me that the effects of my two
Clarus devices -- both purchased in 1991 or 1992 -- may have faded to
nothingness long ago!

>Also Vinny, if you're producing coherent devices, I
>hope you've taken a look at what's already available
>from Quantum Products, Green 8, RA*D*AR cards, etc.

I am very aware of the devices which are often available on the
market in this field. In fact, I have worked as a consultant over the
years for some of the companies producing such devices, and currently
work as a consultant for two companies which market very high-end
devices, one for humans, and the other for electronic equipment and
computer centers. Obviously, for proprieary and confidentialty
reasons, I cannot reveal anything more about those clients!

>Some of these items are pretty cheap, and some
>have been around for a long time. Also, as someone
>who is sensitive to having too much of this type
>of energy, I can say that it's really nice that
>some of the items from Quantum Products have an
>adjustable strength setting, and most importantly,
>the ability to turn them *off* (something that you
>cannot do with many devices)

Yes, I agree!

with care,
--Vinny



Vinny Pinto
[hidden email]

phone 301-694-1249

To see my informational websites and e-mail list groups, please go to:
http://www.vinnypinto.us

Hi Marc:

I like MegaH- (aka MegaHydrin) a lot (and Patrick happens to be a
good friend of mine), but find that my body seems to want only one
capsule per day, perhaps because I get a lot of antioxidants from
other sources. Now as for EM, well, somehow, it seems to help to make
many people more robust; I find it to be a powerful nutritional supplement.

with care,
--Vinny

At 04:17 PM 8/28/2006, you wrote:

Vinny Pinto
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phone 301-694-1249

To see my informational websites and e-mail list groups, please go to:
http://www.vinnypinto.us

Hi Vinny and All

I have tried both the Clarus QLink and the EarthCalm plug in units.  

The Clarus was the first one I tried. When I put it on, yes, I had
a reaction to it. I felt terrible. The reaction was the same sort
of thing I would have from an allergy attack if I ate a food or took
a supplement I was allergic to. I had frequent trips the bathroom
to pass very large amounts of water and I also had an increase in my
blood pressure. In the case of the food or supplements I would call
it Detox as my body was trying to get rid of the offensive item.  
With the QLink the only way to remove the energy frequency from my
body was for me to remove it, and I did. With the foods I reacted
to I would do a clearing to stop the allergic response of my body.  
After the clearing the food item would not cause me a problem the
next time I would eat it. I tried this with the QLink and could
never get it to clear, even after a multiple number of tries over
about 5 months. I decided I did not need it and I returned it for a
refund.

I also tried the EarthCalm plug in units. There were four in
total. The same thing happened. When I tried the first module of
the four, I had the same type reaction as I did with the QLink. I
did a clearing for the reaction and the reaction stopped. I did it
with each unit with the net result of being able to plug them in.  
Did I feel better or see any benefit from having them in use—NO
I did not. I returned them for a refund.  

I also tried the "pocket size" Tunable "EarthSafe" from Less EMF. I
saw some benefit while using it –I felt a little better. It was
because I could adjust the output by doing Muscle Testing. I would
muscle test throughout the day to see if I still needed to use it
and when the answer was NO I would turn it off. I still have it but
have not used it for months because I have gotten my reaction
problems under control. You can read my posts starting at #6363.

Hope this helps,

Bill E



--- In [hidden email], Vinny Pinto <vinny@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Marc:
>
> I like MegaH- (aka MegaHydrin) a lot (and Patrick happens to be a
> good friend of mine), but find that my body seems to want only one
> capsule per day, perhaps because I get a lot of antioxidants from
> other sources. Now as for EM, well, somehow, it seems to help to
make
> many people more robust; I find it to be a powerful nutritional
supplement. to:
> http://www.vinnypinto.us
>

Hi, Vinny,
   
I am a non techno ESer here. lol I actually have not tried any of the many devices for ESers. I intend to look into the rife machines, ozone generators, and fir saunas in the near future (I am right now selling my home and haven't the time to do the proper research I would need to do into theseat the moment. I am particularly interested in the sauna, tho I think I will be trying all three at some point.) Instead, I have thus far targeted my treatment toward supplements, negative hydrogen ion water, EFT, chiropractics, etc. I have done very well with this approach and these do effectively detox and treat ES, however, they are quite pricey (ongoing speaking) and I am in the future looking for more cost effective ways to continue detoxing.  
   
As for your questions, the only one I can answer is the third:
"Have you ever experienced brain fog, blurred vision, or heaviness, difficulty breathing, coupled with extreme fatigue"....
   
Yes, I have had those problems for many years, undxed, and finally a nutritionist who I know dxed it for me. I had a very bad case of lymphatic overload from detoxing and just plain crap in my system (too long a story to deal with here; years of foods, fungi, bacteria, etc, etc, etc, spilling into my blood stream due to celiac disease). The nutrients needed in order tokeep my lymphatic system running (such as it was--not running well), were being diverted from my adrenal system. My adrenal system was being starvedand was dysfunctioning. This is what caused all but the brain fog and blurred vision (those are lymphatic congestion symptoms; in your case, probably caused by severe detoxing).  
   
For me (and you should check this out for yourself), I ALSO had severely low blood pressure along with all these other symptoms. The nutritionist told me I needed to feed my adrenals and I followed his direction and advise. This has changed my life! I was as close to bedbound as one could get and still be able to hobble 10 feet to the bathroom for over 13 years from these problems. Even once I began to treat celiac disease and was no longerbedbound, I could still not walk across a room on most days after being upfor more than 3 hours/day, the fatigue was so bad. I finally realized that when my fatigue began to get bad and the shortness of breath and heaviness began, that my bp was plummetting to around 60s or 70s over 40s or 50s.  
   
My nutrtionist put me on a combo of CoQ10, pantethine, and calcium AEP daily. When I had the bp plummetting, I was to take pantethine and calcium AEP (one each with large glass of water) every 15 to 20 mins until my bp began to respond and rise. I can send exact amounts if this interests you.  
   
I am just a little suspicious that serotonin is somehow involved in this process, as well. Serotonin is involved in the autonomic nervous system and in my case has been involved also with my lack of energy and I know it tobe important also in the adrenal functioning. I have serotonin dumping inmy urine. Serotonin is also involved in ES problems, which one can read in some of the research (but sorry to say, I lost my links--someone here posted a huge long list of links around November or December of last year thatcontained them.) Also, using negative hydrogen ion water positively affects this serotonin problem for me. I have read that acidic metabolism (alsoa problem with ongoing gut toxin problems) can cause too much serotonin for the autonomic nervous system and that causes similar symptoms. The negative hydrogen water addresses that by making the metabolism more alkaline.  
   
So, in essence, try the supplements. If you are still having problems, try using alkaline water in addition to the supplements.
   
My best to you and your wife; and welcome to the forum, btw!
Diane

Vinny Pinto <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi folks:

I just joined this list group yesterday, but I have been browsing and
searching the the past posts in the archives for about the past five
days. I am writing today to say hello, and to note that I am rather
impressed at the quality of most of the posts on this list group. I
offer my congratulations to the list group owner -- I run many list
groups myself, some of them quite large, and it is amazing to me the
number of trolls and flamers (and spammers) who regularly try to send
bizarre or inappropriate messages to list groups; in fact, I am
converting more and more of my groups to private, application-only
membership for that reason. . .

First, a brief introduction: I am a research scientist with a
graduate degree (Masters level plus some doctoral work, degree earned
in 1992) in the health sciences and also appreciable training at the
graduate level in several systems of acupuncture and Asian medicine,
and I am also a spiritual healer and intuitive. In fact, much of my
scientific research work in the realms of beneficial microbes and
antioxidants is actually guided by intuition, rather than by the
intellectual logical "mind". I also run a number of informational
websites and list groups on beneficial microbes (particularly EM),
raw food diets which include raw animal foods, sungazing and some
other fun topics. If you wish to know more about me (and I note that
a few members here already belong to some of my list groups) feel
free to check out my "home page" website at www.vinnypinto.us, which
kinda organizes the rest of my work and sites.

I am writing today to ask a bit about your experiences with EMF detox
symptoms, and I have already searched the current archives on the
group home page and read many of the past posts on this topic. Here
is what I am asking and why I am asking:

I have been doing occasional R&D in the field of EMF protective
devices since 1974, and have also occasionally used EMF protective
devices since that time, and, in fact, I was one of the first owners
of the Earth Resonance Generator (aka ERG, which used a tiny signal
generator (a UJT oscillator) running at near the fundemental f of the
Schumann resonance, at about 8 Hz) which Patrick Flanagan introduced
in the late 1970s. I have also owned three of the Clarus devices
since the very early 1990s, namely, the Clarus power strip, the
Clarus Clear Wave clock (one of the early models from 1991, using a
re-labeled Radio Shack digital clock), and the Clarus QLink pendant
(which I replaced with a newer model in 1999 when I lost the first
one...) I have never noticed any cleansing or detox effects with any
of these devices, nor with any of a half-dozen or more other brands
and types of protective devices (including the various Aulterra and
Etherium rock dusts) with which I have played since the early 1980s.
I have also NEVER noticed any significant detox effects with any of
the earlier generations of my own EMF protective devices which I
built and used in the years between 1975 and 2005.

However... When I designed and built the latest generation of what I
call my Coherent Space Quantum Coherence devices earlier this year, I
was rather amazed at the fact that in addition to some obvious
benefits which I noticed for myself such as having more energy and
focus each day (and this is something which I had never particularly
noticed with the three Clarus devices; the power strip and clock are
still running today in my home office area. . .), my wife Sue and I
shortly started to develop classic and temporary detox symptoms, such
as periodic fatigue, need for more naps, headaches, noticeable
increase in body odor, and even brief cold and flu symptoms. I have
had my share of detox and cleansing symptoms in the past, largely due
to early stages of acupuncture, complex homeopathy (Apex Energetics),
raw food diets or starting to ingest EM microbial/antioxidant
products (as I have discussed elsewhere on the web, I had some heavy
mercury exposures earlier in life, so detox symptoms were not
unexpected), but I was a bit stunned, as I had never considered
myself at all electrosensitive, and I had never experienced EMF detox
with ANY other devices.

For each of us (Sue and me), the detox symptoms -- which started on
about the third day of exposure -- passed within a couple of weeks,
leaving just the energy, calmness and clarity, and then we hit
another wave of even stronger -- but similar -- temporary detox
symptoms when I started running one of my negentropic (i.e.,
anti-entropic) field effect devices alongside the quantucm coherence
device. This latter wave also passed within two to three weeks from start.

Now, here is where it gets strange: I have since been guided on an
inner level to create one more type of device (much like the
negentropic field effect device, this is not primarily a quantum
coherence device, but rather a more specialized device which seems to
emit a beneficial bioenergy field), and amazingly (to me, as this was
totally unexpected), once I set up this device (it is called the
Violet Light of Peace) and it had been running nonstop for a few
days, Sue and I ended up enduring several weeks of very intense detox
symptoms, which started largely as brain fog and blurred vision, and
a feeling of not being able to take a deep breath, and then shifted
largely to fatigue and heaviness and increased sleep need, and the
symptoms are only now winding down after about three very intense
weeks. In fact, at three times during the past weeks, I grew so tired
of the intense detox symptoms that I briefly moved the device (which
has a radius of strongest effect of about 50 feet) for about 24 hours
at a time to a storage buildng on our property which is located about
90 feet from the house, just to get a break from detox! (I did this
despite constant reassurance on an inner level that the detox
symptoms were temporary and would pass, as I get a bit tired of
non-stop detox symptoms...!)

Since I have been marketing prototypes of some of my Quantum
Coherence devices to a small and select audience of experimenters and
researchers, I notice that I have been receiving reports from a
minority (perhaps 25% at most ) of the users of my quantum coherence
devices, reporting similar temporary bouts of detox symptoms.
However, even more telling, since I talk quite freely (in contrast to
most other sites) about EMF detox symptoms on my Coherent Space
website ( www.coherentspace.info ), I am starting to receive emails
and phone calls from users of other brands and types of EMF
protective devices who report that they seemed to notice detox
effects when first using their devices (i.e., those other brands) and
asking me if I believe that it is possible that those symptoms are
truly detox effects; many seem to have been particularly confused
because most vendors downplay or outright ignore such possible
temporary detox effects, and thus they were unable to receive any
answers or reassurance from their vendor. So far, the reports of
temporary detox seem to be coming from a few users of the Quantum
Products devices, the Clarus QLink pendants, and the SpringLife
Polarizers, although I have heard one or two reports of possible
detox effects from exposure to the Aulterra material (a mined rock
dust) also. And, interestingly, this morning I noticed that someone
(from Great Britain) who stumbled upon my Coherent Space web site had
gotten there by typing the term [Clarus QLink detox effect] in Google
search engine!

Anyway, after that painstaking history, here are a question or two
for you, if you will; I am not looking for formal survey-type
replies, but rather just hoping to start a bit of discussion and sharing:

1) What percentage of EMF protective devices which you have tried
have seemed to produce detox effects?
2) How long did the longest periods of detox effects seem to last?
3) Have you ever experienced detox effects such as blurred vision or
heaviness, or diffulty in drawing a deep breath, coupled with intense fatigue?

Thanks much in advance for sharing!

with care,
--Vinny

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Hi Diane:

Thanks for your note. Briefly, just at address a major and consistent
underyling theme which seems to be implicit in your post below,
largely about the possibility of severe detox coupled with lymphtic
overload and adrenal exhaustion, which you seem to posit in a number
of cases and have presumed was happening for me and for the several
other people who had noticed temporary and transient odd detox
symptoms such as blurry vision or "heaviness":

For me, and for the other users of the devices who experienced those
symptoms, those symptoms were very much temporary (as stated in my
original post) and transient, and only presented during the first few
days or weeks of using the device. They all passed after a brief
period of time, and in their lieu was simply a higher level of
energy, functioning and clarity.

What you have recounted in much of your letter -- i.e., in terms of
your own experience -- is not at all what I would call temporary
detox, but rather what I would term as ongoing overload and toxicity,
coupled with deficiency and/or imbalance. To me, this is very much
different from temporary detox symptoms which pass after a brief time
and then yield a greater sense of well-being, which is my own
experience and that of most folks whom I know, regardless of whether
the temporary and brief detox was triggered by acupuncture treatment,
use of EMF protection devices, complex homeopathic treatment, or a
UFO encounter of the second or third kind.

with care,
--Vinny

At 02:59 AM 8/30/2006, you wrote:

Vinny Pinto
[hidden email]

phone 301-694-1249

To see my informational websites and e-mail list groups, please go to:
http://www.vinnypinto.us

Hi, Vinny,
   
What I said in my last email is true for those of us who were/are toxin overloaded for many years, AS WELL AS those who have transient lymphatic congestion due to QUICKLY over detoxing ON A TRANSIENT LEVEL. That is my point (sorry I am not trying to yell at you, just highlighting what I was trying to point out in my post. When I post about what I have experienced, I amnot trying to make a direct comparison that the other person is experiencing the exact same scenario I had (tho, lets face it, with celiac disease being present in 1 in 133 people in the U.S., and only 1/3 of those being dxed, there is certainly that possibility, especially with people who are dealing with constant or frequent detoxing. Tho that was NOT a comparison I was trying to make in your situation.)  
   
I was merely pointing out that one who detoxes heavily, even for a short time, might possibly encounter a situation in which their lymphatic system is over-taxed for a transient time, causing adrenal exhaustion (also transient) due to either a serotonin problem OR lack of nutrients to run the adrenals. I was merely answering your request for info on the symptoms you asked about. If you do not have the blood pressure problem, it does not necessarily compute that you do not need further adrenal nutrition, btw. The bpproblem is PERHAPS (tho I personally do not know) a symptom which might follow only long term nutritional shortage. My nutritionist was surprised I also had this, which leads me to think this might be the case.
   
I do not "presume" anything in anyone's case, Vinny. This may or may notbe your problem, I was only sharing what I knew to be true of those symptoms and my experience (which is what I assume all here do! At least, I hopewhen I post a request for info, that is the info I get. I value all input, no matter where that takes me. I also know that not all info is going topertain to me, but that I will have to do the homework to see if it does.)
   
I wish you well.
Diane

Vinny Pinto <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi Diane:

Thanks for your note. Briefly, just at address a major and consistent
underyling theme which seems to be implicit in your post below,
largely about the possibility of severe detox coupled with lymphtic
overload and adrenal exhaustion, which you seem to posit in a number
of cases and have presumed was happening for me and for the several
other people who had noticed temporary and transient odd detox
symptoms such as blurry vision or "heaviness":

For me, and for the other users of the devices who experienced those
symptoms, those symptoms were very much temporary (as stated in my
original post) and transient, and only presented during the first few
days or weeks of using the device. They all passed after a brief
period of time, and in their lieu was simply a higher level of
energy, functioning and clarity.

What you have recounted in much of your letter -- i.e., in terms of
your own experience -- is not at all what I would call temporary
detox, but rather what I would term as ongoing overload and toxicity,
coupled with deficiency and/or imbalance. To me, this is very much
different from temporary detox symptoms which pass after a brief time
and then yield a greater sense of well-being, which is my own
experience and that of most folks whom I know, regardless of whether
the temporary and brief detox was triggered by acupuncture treatment,
use of EMF protection devices, complex homeopathic treatment, or a
UFO encounter of the second or third kind.

with care,
--Vinny

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phone 301-694-1249

To see my informational websites and e-mail list groups, please go to:
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My first posting:

Since the point of this list is to share what's helped us in healing our
ES symptoms, then yes, all contributions are worthy, and from that
perspective, I will say that Ellen's comments about the value of I AM
and Violet Flame meditations are similar to one of the most effective
remedies I've used. Also the silica disks and cells from Advanced
Tachyon Technologies. I'd like to share my symptom story first and then
about what's been helping me. I apologize for the length of this post
and hope that some list members will find bits of use.

My symptom story (trying to be brief!) :

I found that ever since I was in my last house, I could not get any work
done (I work with the computer and am online alot). I'm a
newagey-woo-woo type and always approach symptoms first from a
perspective of "what did I do to cause this?" thereby working on my
emotions/beliefs and to clean up my diet. So for months, I continued
using EFT and nutrition. Still the spaciness continued and I developed
headaches and other "minor" symptoms.

Later, I intuited that it had something to do with electricity and
turned off the equipment at night (worked in my bedroom). Symptoms still
continued and worsened. Later, I started getting arrhythmia, heart
palpitations and vibrations on my back in the heart area.
Still my first thoughts were that it was about my heart Chakra and I
tried to be more loving, etc., as my housemate was plenty aggravating!
Now I realize that whatever the interpersonal reality, I was
extra-nervous and irritable. Meanwhile, though, I was attempting to
correlate my palpations to anger, etc., but I noticed that the timing of
symptoms was not precise to my feelings. It was all very confusing...

Then one day I noticed for the first time a high voltage transformer box
outside the house and felt foolish that I hadn't seen it before but
realized that we all do things like driving on a street and one day
asking, "was that sign there before?" and your friend says "yeah, for
years!" and somehow you hadn't noticed it before. Also, those
ground-level transformers are often painted and positioned to blend into
the surroundings and intentionally unnoticeable.

So then I started to carefully monitor my symptoms timing and indeed,
they came on with the timing of everyone turning on their A/C and
subsided in the evenings around most people's bedtime. The vibrations
were most intense in the late afternoons and one day I checked the time
and it was 4:56pm. That night, I searched intensively and found online a
document from the local Utilities Dept. that said in 2003-2004, their
peak load minute was 4:52pm. Now I had my detailed analysis and
self-diagnosis totally sussed out. I measured it and that high voltage
box was only about 20 feet from my entire bedroom and my head, sleeping
in bed, was only about 12 feet from it. For a whole year, I was almost
24/7 bombarded from the "danger high voltage" box...!

Once I had connected the dots so clearly to myself, I did more serious
research on EMF and found that I had Every symptom on the W.H.O. list,
the blurry vision, sleep disturbance, "fibrillation," the whole gamut
from mild to severe, and then I Really got aggravated with the housemate
(house owner!) who refused to accept the idea.

Also, one evening I drove to the edge of the city to sleep in my car and
found that after 12 hours of Very Deep sleep, I awoke refreshed and
clear-headed enough to work for a few hours. This was another proof to
me about the reality and intensity of the electrical distortion upon my
energy system.

As I'd been so poor with my work for a year, my money was extremely
limited and as I researched devices to neutralize the EMF, I came across
the mention of tachyon products. Fortunately I had some from years ago,
when I used them just for "healing energies." So I pulled them out of
storage and found that they did help me. It kept away the heaviest
vibrations and calmed my physical heart when I wore several disks and
cells on my body all at once. I looked like a "tin foil hat" nut-case
but I felt relief which is what matters.

I know that the Advanced Tachyon silica disks did do something to
actually help because I taped a disk on the transformer outside, in
addition to the ones inside my room and on my body, and I felt a little
better for several days. Then one morning I woke up feeling irritable
again and that continued for several hours. When I went outside to
look, I saw that the top tape had come loose and the silica disk had
flipped over to the opposite/wrong direction. I had noticed the disk was
correctly in place the previous afternoon, so it had loosened and
flipped over sometime during the prior 18 hours. Nothing else had
changed, so I know what I felt and that's "scientific proof" enough for
me, even though I cannot explain it.

Even though the disks helped, the generally bad symptoms did contine and
after a couple more weeks of propping tachyon items inside my clothes, I
realized I had to move out. It was simply life-threatening to stay
there. I couldn't purchase the devices required to neutralize that
amount of power. Before leaving, I warned a neighbor with kids and the
new tenant about the problem, who both shrugged it off, possibly because
they saw me as a crazy neurotic!

Now I have found that if I sleep in a relatively low electrical
environment, I'm refreshed enough to be clear-headed for a good while.
I have to use internet cafe's daily to go online and do need to watch
how long I stay. If I stay too long, I do still get
spacy-distracted-confused and have heat flashes, which I now realize are
from wi-fi and microwaves. Also I get dyslexic. When I'm "normal," I'm
very precise with my spelling. I've been post-menopausal for years but
the hot flash symptoms were so similar that it was my only point of
reference! The Alzheimer's-type symptoms are the most upsetting.

I continue to use the tachyon disks around me and tucked in my shirt
over my heart, as I work in those places. Also I have ordered the
children's teslar watch from tools for wellness and expect that will
help a lot. Years ago I had a small Schumann resonance device and liked
it very much just for the peaceful feeling. This should enable me to
work better. It's due to arrive today.

As customer feedback regarding Tools for Wellness: First I was unhappy
with the customer service replies I got to my serious inquiries
regarding comparisons of various products that are anti-EMF. They were
dismissively short answers that did not really reply to my specific
questions. I had to get my answers about those products by extensive web
research on other sites.
Also, the price on the child's watch went up by $19 literally overnight
without notice. I had bookmarked that webpage several times during the
week, including one day earlier. Before choosing which device to
purchase, I corresponded with several different vendors about different
products, I had at least 3 direct back-and-forth letters with Tools for
W during that week.
Once I had decided on the $50 watch and went to buy, it had suddenly
gone way up in price, from $49 to $69, about 40% increase, literally
overnight! Since I had written several times and had a running
correspondence with their customer service rep, I wrote in again,
reminding them of my communications and plight and Please would they
allow me one at yesterday's price because money is really that serious
for me. They refused in a letter that I'd call cold. So I now consider
them to be just another corporation and not the same feeling as years
ago when they were Tools for Exploration. Nonetheless, they were the
Only source for the child's teslar watch and I had to pay it to get the
device.

I apologize for complaining here but if the same device is available
from anyone else at a similar price, I'd buy from the other guys due to
their seemingly uncaring attitude expressed. I sell products, too, and
it's just not good business to deny a customer who has been in
correspondence with you about a particular item several times within 7
days and you also know they are actually sick and suffering! In my
recent experience, there was no grace from them. Also, their shipping
time estimator was wrong. It claimed that my package would arrive
yesterday and according to UPS, it's actually due to arrive today. Every
day makes a difference when you're suffering.

Nutritionally, I have been dosing up on spirulina, as the various
blue-green algae products are known to reduce radiation poisoning.
Also, as per this list (and my own prior research on reducing neurosis)
I like the calming effects of magnesium.
Also I like the head-clearing and general healing effects of various
oxygen releasing drops like CellFood and Oxy-Moxy and Aerobic 7. All the
products like that which I've used over the years have been helpful.
Fortunately, I stocked up on some of these things when I had money
before the symptoms got worse.
Also Megahydrate is a fantastic product. I got dramatic results from it
about a year and a half ago before I moved into the electro-toxic house.
I kept taking that and other various nutrients but didn't notice
anything great from them while I was in that house. Now that I've been
out about 6 weeks, I'm starting to notice the vitamins again.

About metals: I suggest that we get too much aluminum in our diets, not
only from cookware (in restaurants, even if you're conscious at home)
but when we get coffee or tea almost anywhere. The water passes directly
over aluminum heating elements in coffee makers and surely it leaches
into the water. Also regarding heavy metal toxicity, it occurred to me
that some of us probably have residues from childhood TV dinners that
came in the aluminum trays!
I tried the metal detox footbath once at a chiropractor's office but it
was expensive for me and I did not Feel any reaction from it at all.
However, while I was sleeping near the transformer, I was not able to
feel much effect from anything I did. Most of my efforts were being
nullified by the electro-attack.

So I do appreciate the intricacy of diagnosis that we've each had to
figure out AND the multiple details of self-protection and detox that
we're each dealing with!

Now I would like to speak on the "energy medicine" level:

In EFT, it's often said, "try it on everything." Reading the
newsletters and/or searching the emofree site, you can find testimonials
of people who healed very serious illnesses using that technique. I've
had really good results with EFT and am continuing to use it. I
recommend it strongly.

Meditations/affirmations/visualizations: There are a million techniques
and I use various. They've started to work better for me now that I'm
away from the 24/7 high voltage.
When my "aura" was scrambled by proximity to the transformer, it was
virtually impossible to meditate or hold a good thought long enough for
it to take effect, BUT I prayed... I prayed for healing, guidance and
grace in any and all forms that make sense to me. I actually felt that
it was angels who led me to find the transformer box, but grace from any
saint, any "beneficent celestials" / spirit guides or enhanced
intuition/subconscious promptings are just as good if you get good
results, and I ask them all!

Faith, even if weak, simply to keep asking for help from "above" or
"within" is definitely worthwhile. A faltering child-like trust that
somehow, something would, hopefully, rescue me was my only comfort as I
constantly battled extreme depression for most of the past year. Now I
know that my depression was caused by outside EMF influence more than my
own "low self-esteem" or "feeling unloved" and stuff like that.
Meanwhile, though, all the work I did on those types of issues has been
significantly helpful and I don't discount the value of any of those
methods and continue to search out and ask for long-distance healing
prayers from the various churches and healers who offer such. Whether
it's Reiki or Jesus, I'll accept the wishes for my highest good! I
believe that I do feel the benefits from that, just like the
double-blind SF hospital prayer experiments that were spoken of by
Rupert Sheldrake and Larry Dossey. Personally, I trust them and people
like Edgar Mitchell as sources of truthful and useful info sources long
before accepting anything Harvard medical says.

Even auto-suggestion / self-hypnosis would be helpful. Anyone who still
doubts can easily find documentation that the body will produce a heat
blister after being touched by an ice cube, simply by hypnosis. These
things are so well proven that it's almost not worth mentioning, except
that it is because ES gives ADD/ADHD symptoms and first of all, we need
to be thinking straight to know what to do for ourselves! So when we
can't even think clearly, it's perfectly correct (in my book) to ask to
be placed on a prayer list. Then you have the power of numbers, "group
mind," "2 or more gathered," and all that.

So, as mentioned above, I am definitely using bio-chemical / nutritional
helps and definitely using 3-d devices that work with non-electrical or
"subtle" energies, and I'm getting a battery-op device to help me, BUT -
to my way of thinking - if I rely Only only on man-made machines or
devices for my healing, that is to give away my True power to machines
and "the Matrix," like making the electrical utilities into the devils
and the devices are the gods.
I think it is like the scenario (true or fantasy - your choice) of a
technical Atlantis relying on healing machines versus the spiritual
love-oriented healing of Mu. So, to me, it is important to remember and
keep reminding myself that the "Supreme God" can heal Anything. I can't
describe that Ultimate Source energy (Great Spirit or "zero point," if
you like) or explain any of that belief in techno terms but it certainly
works for some people, it's helped me and I hope it works for you, too.

Recently I heard the old Bernie Siegel, MD, 2-tape set of Love, Medicine
and Miracles, where I was shocked by his comment that "the body can use
any energy for healing, even chemotherapy." His explanation, as a brain
surgeon specializing in cancer, was that it's the LOVE that is the
actual healing force, and it doesn't matter if the patient uses a vegan
diet or liver juice (Gerson), psychic surgery or with a knife, etc. It
just doesn't matter, in his opinion. What he's seen, with thousands of
patients, is that it is our personal will to live, our reasons to accept
healing, and it's ALL about the Love in our life. The physical body is
downline from the Mind. Our energy bodies can, at least in theory,
vibrate with any frequencies to create a healing response.

While my personal beliefs exclude the use of allopathy, I do accept the
idea that "we are spiritual beings in a human experience," and that
"love is the answer," so that we CAN be healed by God's Love. Now
however you define God or Love for yourself, there are a myriad of
teachings that express the idea that "feeling love" is healing.

It's pretty hard to feel love when you're feeling sick but in the end,
So many agree that it's a huge key to healing that it's worthwhile to
work with it.

Louise Hay's self-love work is classic and I listened to her old tapes
recently with very good response. She healed from cancer but healing any
dis-ease all relies on a strengthened immune response, so it's
appropriate and I found myself quite a bit stronger all over after doing
the exercises she recommended.

There are many sources for info on self-healing through self-acceptance
and self-love. EFT is great in this regard and it's totally free. The
simple setup statement including "I'm ok" or "I accept myself" or (do
you dare to say it?) "I love myself" (!) is a really big step towards an
enhanced immune system. I've been getting real value from it.

This type of Love work has Dramatically increased my tolerance to wi-fi
and that is why I speak of it here in detail.

I did not change anything else from day to day but each time I did a
really serious session of this type of processing, I found that I slept
much better and the next day I did not fry every single time the
internet cafe' used their microwave. I was able to sit and work for a
couple of extra hours and it was only after they did about 6 microwave
orders that I felt the hot flash. So that was an Enormously Significant
Improvement in symptomatic response!

When I don't do the "inner work" enough, I just stay at the same
sensitivity level or even sinking again into spaced-out, depressed,
irritable, more hot flashes, and the headaches and eyeball pressure come
earlier in the day, etc... More of the EMF symptoms that have driven us
all to seek out this group!

I have to work really hard at staying "conscious" through electro-smog
attacks. This is where the EFT can give rapid helps, even if it's small
at the moment, the moments add up over a day and a week. Mental focus is
truly precious.

Also the forgiveness thing. Again, it's emotional/mentally-based but it
truly has proven strengthening effects on the immune system. There's a
lot of easily accessed info on forgiveness. I like the Ho'oponopono
approach as one very simple method.

So I'm very much in favor of using all of the free
spiritual/emotional/mental approaches to healing ES. Whatever your
beliefs are regarding the multi-dimensional levels of reality, be it
Buddhist explanations or 10-dimensional string theory, these things do
all help healing.
This approach has been such a HUGE help to me, with too little money to
buy professional assistance or major devices, and to help me for months
prior to diagnosis, since diagnosis and before ever finding this support
group! I don't yet have the money to physically go away to a forest and
I've had to use the internet for both work and research on healing, so
thank God that prayer, and mental-emo methods, including EFT do really
help.

Also I recommend the shiseido (org) site also has lots of free info that
helps towards inner peace. Yogis can transcend all sorts of toxins and
vibrational insults and I believe we need to use our ES for healing on
the deepest levels. Otherwise, we might just create another illness for
ourselves, the way so many cancer and other illness patients do.
People heal from one thing, only to get some other illness later, and
all because they never cleared up some anger residue left over from
childhood... I think a lot of you know what I'm talking about. (assuming
you read this far! sorry it's such a long posting, this is putting it
all out in one letter and I probably won't be posting a lot after this
personal expose' and sermonette!)

So to my beliefs and in my experience, it's about more than just heavy
metals in our tissues and cell phone towers, those are major
contributors, of course, but LIFE is about more than our physical
surroundings and therefore healing is, too... Why should having ES, as
an illness EXPERIENCE, be any different, fundamentally, than getting
cancer from resentment, etc.

Having said all that, I'm still really looking forward to my teslar
watch! HA!

Lastly, please, a personal request/suggestion regarding this Group List
and postings:
Including the complete prior postings in your replies just makes the
emails soooooooo unnecessarily LONG! I'd really appreciate it if people
would only include the relevant sentences they're responding to and not
just add their mini-notes above a re-run of what we already read 10
times!
So when you reply to a post, especially a long one like this, if
everyone would just take the extra minute or 2 to delete the un-needed
paragraphs, it would save ALL of us several minutes of exposure while
reading this group list on our micro-flickering computer screens! If
anyone chooses to reply to this post of mine, please don't just tack on
your sentence above a replay of this entire long, long letter. Please
cut out what's not necessary to repeat and only include what's directly
relevant to your response. Thank you.

I've been getting a lot of good leads and info from this support group
and hope that something I wrote may be helpful to someone.

Namaste!

Namaste,

Hi! can definately relate to the ES & my case as unique , but not exposure to Electrical Transformer (which maybe since mine sits 10-15 feet out our front window),

but my symptoms of Left Temple pulsation & pain/ CONFUSION - ONLY appears around Cellphones-not mine, but other people who carry/use them w/in 2-4 feet approx away &

I appreciate so much your info/progress of ruling out your symptoms to find the "source" &

after 2 1/2 yrs of avoidance (pretty hard these days-EVERYONE in US has cellphone) has made me VERY determined to rule out tests of heavy metal, deficiency's ,MRI, MRA & today a EEG (which will be very interesting to see/find out-since baseline test(s) done & then w/cellphone exposure also)

& i have looked back on my 36 yr of life to realize my greatest nights of sleeping & waking afresh was when CAMPING- by NO electrical sources I would always wonder "why" i could wake so early & RESTED feeling Like a NEW person (wishing i had camped this yr)

finding myself in the same/similar situation - limited on work as p/t biller in Office at night where no exposure to anyone cellphone has left me w/minimal $ if any & has drained me financial/emotional of when i do mtn this problem to family/friends-they seem to want to laugh & not believe?

as with anything - there are the TRUE believers & the Non believers - I believe in the GREATEST " SOURCE" of all to work out my situation & appreciate the guidance & the realization of being "aware" of our surroundings, so others dont take us "unaware" of what we really need to know.
May God RICHLY Bless you!
Sheila





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On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 21:22:46 -0000, "elizz00" <[hidden email]> said:
> My first posting:

Wow, thanks for the long post!

I'm kind of curious what the folks at "Tools for Wellness" said about
all the various EMF devices they sell? Did they say that one type
of device generally got fewer returns, or one had more favorable
comments than the other?

I'm rather surprised that at the end of your discussions, you ended
up getting a Teslar watch. I just say that because I noticed no
benefit from that watch, nor can I recall anyone here commenting
on it being a significant help. On the other hand, they do sell
the $20 Electromagnetic Pollution Rectifier pendant, which I found
to work pretty well for the cost.

But I'll certainly be interested in hearing how it goes with the
watch...

Marc

Namaste! thanks, Marc, for your reply and questions.

> I'm kind of curious what the folks at "Tools for Wellness" said
about all the various EMF devices they sell? Did they say that one
type of device generally got fewer returns, or one had more favorable
> comments than the other?

Yes, I imagine everyone on this list has some interest in that, so
here are my questions first and then their minimal (I thought)
answers. Maybe my questions were a bit too much but, hey, this is
serious stuff to me and I wanted some serious answers. Also, I made
the error of not including precise names of and urls to some things
like saying "the room cubes," expecting (incorrectly) that the reps
would know the TfW product line (or would refer to their own catalog!)
and what I was referring to. Instead they just ignored those
questions. In the 2nd letter, I used the actual name "rejuvenizer
cubes," and then she honored the question with an answer.

Also I was a bit frazzled when writing and I see now some disjointed
sentences, etc., that could be why she did not respond to my questions
for a PERSONAL protection item, did not notice that I said I had moved
FROM the house where that happened and focused first on selling me a
House or Room protector.

I thought I could maybe get a mega-strong House protection item and
carry it around with me for extra-strength Personal protection but she
blew that one away and I don't yet have the $ to experiment much. I
still think it's a viable idea with some of these items but maybe they
Are programmed differently. This is where I wish I had the electrical
engineering knowledge...

Letter 1:
Subject: Tools For Wellness Product Questions

Can one use the Circuit Rejuvenizer as a personal device? As one who
suffers from extreme sensitivity, I've been unable to earn for awhile
and $69 is a lot more affordable than most of the other devices about
$150. Also, can the room cubes (4 for about $150) be used as a
personal device, carried or worn?
It says they'll affect a huge house, so it seems that is very high
protection-power for the same price as most of the beautiful pendants.
I need something very strong protection but least dollars. So far,
child's watch looks good but I wonder about feedback from extreme
sensitives as to which devices give strongest influence. Also the
Transend cards are mentioned as inexpensive portable emf devices but
are they strong enough?
The Life Field Polarizer sounds strong but is it, like SafeSpace, only
for stationary placement or can I carry it for constant protection?
Also, I've seen the Advanced Tachyon cells listed elsewhere for
anti-EMF but your site doesn't mention it? Is the Qlink for pets
weaker than the Qlink for humans?
My only $work is with computers and recently I moved from house where
I both slept and worked in a room less than 12 feet from high voltage
transformer for over a year I've got huge symptoms and need very
strongest. (the ground level transformer boxes are sometimes hidden or
disguised outdoors and it was months of unknown causes until I found
it and put 2+2!) So the first set of questions is about the relative
strength of the various items, then about what is comparison feedback
from sufferers. Sorry for so long a letter but these comparisons may
become a FAQ for you! Thanks.

Answer 1:

The Circuit Rejuvenizer is not designed to be a personal device.
Transend cards are meant to be used with other EMF devices, such as a
personal pendant you may wear, etc. The Safe Space is a great home
EMF device that covers a standard size room of approximately 20x20.
Pet Qlinks are specifically engineered for the bioenergy of pets, not
humans.

Unfortunately, there isn't a specific device made that can do battle
against something as strong as a high voltage transformer as close to
your home.
We'd suggest the Safe Space placed in the room you are in the most, in
addition to a Qlink pendant to wear.

Letter 2:
> Thank you for your prompt reply with answers to many of my
questions. I'd like clarification, please, on a couple things:
>
> The Life Field Polarizer contains a Lahovsky coil, like the Qlinks,
but it sounds like it's stronger than a Qlink pendant. Is that
correct? If yes, I wonder if there is any way to determine how much
stronger? This is modestly sized that I could carry around in a bag.
>
> Can the Indoor Rejuvenizer cubes be carried for a stronger portable,
> personal protection?
>
Answer #2:
Sometimes it's tough to measure which item may be "stronger" than
another ... as there are many contributing factors. We've heard more
positive, glowing comments from the QLink pendants than from any other
EMF device we've ever carried. What tends to work best is to wear a
pendant and then have a secondary device, such as the Polarizer or a
Cell Phone Diode.

You could carry the Indoor Rejuvenizer with you if you'd like.

---

So basically, she didn't reveal too much and I did extensive further
research on my own to verify what I could about the devices that
appealed to me.

My sense is that the Qlinks have the strongest ADvertising of any EMF
product. I would consider a purchase at some future time but chose
against it now because, now that I could have afforded one for $80 on
eBay, there is a 2nd generation updated stronger model and so why
would I want the lesser one? If I was healthy and unaffected by the
EMFs then either model would be fine but for serious medicinal use,
clearly the older model is now weak.

and now back to Marc's questions about my choice of the teslar watch:

> I'm rather surprised that .. you ended
> up getting a Teslar watch. I just say that because I noticed no
> benefit from that watch, nor can I recall anyone here commenting
> on it being a significant help.
 
Dif strokes/dif folks. Reading the posts displays a variety of
preferences and responses. I've only subscribed to the digests for
about 2 wks. and not delved into the archives yet.

I was actually prompted to post so soon in support of St. Germaine!
I felt that the responses to Ellen's post about using I AM meditations
were dismissive and I wanted to reinforce a vote in favor of
mental-emo-spiritual-meditative approaches in general. I think we
could heal the ES just with bio-feedback and hypnosis for that matter.
I believe it's "simply" about UNscrambling our meridians/aura/energy
bodies. I think that it's worthwhile to listen and learn to all the
approaches. Then you have to make your own choice for yourself. For
example, I've gotten value from using Adv.Tachyon and on this list so
far, I've read more cons than pros about them! So I just had to decide
for myself and my money.

More specifically, I decided upon the Teslar watch for a few reasons:

About 15 years ago, I had a small Schumann resonance device that I
liked VERY much. It looked just like a car door opener/alarm, operated
from a little battery (smaller than AAA but that shape), and emitted
your choice of 7.83 or 10 Hz. It felt peaceful and calming and did
seem to affect the several feet around me, meaning others nearby were
calmer, too.

Also, the descriptions I read about the Schumann devices described
its' anti-EMF action in an appealing way. I preferred the idea of
attuning more into the good earth frequency than in a
techno-opposition effect via contradictory or cancelling frequencies.
It just felt more Affirmative-Pro-Earth to me rather than battling the
war-against-EMF.

Also it was among the less expensive devices (meaning under $100) in
general, considering all the tech that's available.

Also, about 25 years ago, I saw Glen Rein lecture about
electro-pollution, scalar waves, etc., and his name was invoked
several times around these Teslar watches. While there were no direct
endorsements from him, I did feel that implied confidence.

Adding to that, my research on teslar watches turned up "Oprah's fave
things," not that she's an EMF expert, but the idea that the child's
teslar watch for $70 had the same chip and same effect as the $10,000
watches kinda felt like I was getting double-strength protection in a
quasi-luxury item for cheap! I should stick Swarovski crystals all
over it! HA!

Also, the EMF will only get stronger as more digital wi-fi domes are
placed over more US cities so Qlinks, etc., will all have to make more
powerful and we'll have to buy updated models every year. Schumann
Earth resonance won't go out of style. Even if the Gregg Braden, etc.,
discussions about the earth frequencies changing happens, oscillating
7-9 Hz is a nice Theta place.

So all-around, it felt more familiar, positive, long-term, strong and
just less risky for My precious cash today.

It's likely that I may still choose to buy more anti-EMF devices in
future but it'll be awhile before that investment...

I just got it last night and my immediate response is that it did not
feel whiz-bang out of the box but I felt calm and clear throughout the
evening, slept well and feel calm and unruffled today. I'll really
only be able to tell after I've been through several shocking-type
environments and worn it awhile. If this calmness maintains through
the weeks and months ahead, and I can remain focused through
energetically insulting environments, then it will be excellent. It's
too soon for real feedback.  

>On the other hand, they do sell
> the $20 Electromagnetic Pollution Rectifier pendant, which I found
> to work pretty well for the cost.

It's $25. and the ToolsforW page says "this item is not strong enough
to be your sole protector." I wanted One Strong device.

Since you recommend it, I might purchase one later from balkowitsch
on eBay for the same price. He has a pocket disk and the pendant style
and calls them EMF Electromagnetic Field Protection and polarizers.
When I first saw those a couple months ago, besides being "an unknown"
to me, I thought it looked kinda plastic as well. Is it better looking
in person? Effect is more important than appearance but it helps...

The most beautiful ones appear to be the Rejuvenizers from Phyllis
Light but they're expensive again and one has to trust her radionic
updates so that's way on the back burner! Also I'd like to read the
old postings about that one. Like I said, I only joined this list a
coupla weeks ago and I just want to get focused so I can function! I'm
determined that I should not go through life as an ES sufferer.