New to this group. Don't know where to start really. Does anybody any experience on wireless routers. There was one in my office at work (in a hospital) for a about a year. Other people said they could hear a squeal in my room. I couldn't. I rang our IT communications department and they said it could be faulty. They swapped it. Another 8 months and they new one is still there, with me working under it.
I now have a sudden onset of constant tinnitus ( a week ago (sounds like a computer monitor (high pitched) and it is CONSTANT)). My GP has put me in for a hearing test which will take months. I need to know how to deal with it as I won't let it affect my life. Therefore I am starting to research tinnitus etc. All I need to know is does anyone think it could be related? I do not wish to blame but I find it highly suspicious. many many thanks folks. Carol |
Hi Carol,
Yes, I think tinnitis is directly related to EMR/EMF exposure. My mom's tinnitis disappeared when we moved here in 2002, and came back as a couple towers were added a few miles away, and then WiFi invaded the neighborhood. I now have it too, as this past year has brought negative changes here. I have more on my page at: http://seahorseCorral.org/ehs1.html Also, the high-pitched hearing sensitivity is exactly what I had when my health crashed in 1993. Yes I went in for hearing test, and was found to have perfect hearing. The next doctor they will send you to is for psych. eval. , or if doctor is smarter, they'll want to do a MRI of your head to look for tumors. Didn't find any in me (either), so research the EMR problem, and you'll be looking at that WiFI or WLAN router in a different light... Good luck and take care, Stewart carol wrote: > New to this group. Don't know where to start really. Does anybody any experience on wireless routers. There was one in my office at work (in a hospital) for a about a year. Other people said they could hear a squeal in my room. I couldn't. I rang our IT communications department and they said it could be faulty. They swapped it. Another 8 months and they new one is still there, with me working under it. > > I now have a sudden onset of constant tinnitus ( a week ago (sounds like a computer monitor (high pitched) and it is CONSTANT)). My GP has put me in for a hearing test which will take months. > > I need to know how to deal with it as I won't let it affect my life. Therefore I am starting to research tinnitus etc. > > All I need to know is does anyone think it could be related? I do not wish to blame but I find it highly suspicious. > > many many thanks folks. > > |
This is great Stewart. My husband has tinnitus and he, as you know, is not a believer in EHS. Right out the bedroom window you can see clearly 3 cell antennas & another tower at the library. So I know it is contributing to his ringing. I forwarded this email to him! Can't wait to get feedback. He is in big time denial of it all. Loni
--- On Fri, 6/10/11, S Andreason <[hidden email]> wrote: From: S Andreason <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Hi To: [hidden email] Date: Friday, June 10, 2011, 7:33 AM Hi Carol, Yes, I think tinnitis is directly related to EMR/EMF exposure. My mom's tinnitis disappeared when we moved here in 2002, and came back as a couple towers were added a few miles away, and then WiFi invaded the neighborhood. I now have it too, as this past year has brought negative changes here. I have more on my page at: http://seahorseCorral.org/ehs1.html Also, the high-pitched hearing sensitivity is exactly what I had when my health crashed in 1993. Yes I went in for hearing test, and was found to have perfect hearing. The next doctor they will send you to is for psych. eval. , or if doctor is smarter, they'll want to do a MRI of your head to look for tumors. Didn't find any in me (either), so research the EMR problem, and you'll be looking at that WiFI or WLAN router in a different light... Good luck and take care, Stewart carol wrote: > New to this group. Don't know where to start really. Does anybody any experience on wireless routers. There was one in my office at work (in a hospital) for a about a year. Other people said they could hear a squeal in my room. I couldn't. I rang our IT communications department and they said it could be faulty. They swapped it. Another 8 months and they new one is still there, with me working under it. > > I now have a sudden onset of constant tinnitus ( a week ago (sounds like a computer monitor (high pitched) and it is CONSTANT)). My GP has put me in for a hearing test which will take months. > > I need to know how to deal with it as I won't let it affect my life. Therefore I am starting to research tinnitus etc. > > All I need to know is does anyone think it could be related? I do not wish to blame but I find it highly suspicious. > > many many thanks folks. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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> This is great Stewart. My husband has tinnitus and he, as you know, is not a believer in EHS.
Tinnitus DOES seem to be related to the mobilization of toxins. I normally do NOT have ringing ears, however I regularly do short rounds of heavy metal detox using alpha lipoic acid. After these rounds, my ears are usually ringing LOUDLY. It is known that after these rounds, toxins are being redistributed throughout the body (rather than exiting the body). Marc |
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Mine is in complete denial too. He is so toxic with cell phone radiation ( before he moved) he gave my puppy radiation poisoning when she slept in his bed for 3 nights. She had severe diarrahrea for nearly a week. Lizzie To: [hidden email] From: [hidden email] Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 09:45:42 -0700 Subject: Re: [eSens] Hi This is great Stewart. My husband has tinnitus and he, as you know, is not a believer in EHS. Right out the bedroom window you can see clearly 3 cell antennas & another tower at the library. So I know it is contributing to his ringing. I forwarded this email to him! Can't wait to get feedback. He is in big time denial of it all. Loni --- On Fri, 6/10/11, S Andreason <[hidden email]> wrote: From: S Andreason <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Hi To: [hidden email] Date: Friday, June 10, 2011, 7:33 AM Hi Carol, Yes, I think tinnitis is directly related to EMR/EMF exposure. My mom's tinnitis disappeared when we moved here in 2002, and came back as a couple towers were added a few miles away, and then WiFi invaded the neighborhood. I now have it too, as this past year has brought negative changes here. I have more on my page at: http://seahorseCorral.org/ehs1.html Also, the high-pitched hearing sensitivity is exactly what I had when my health crashed in 1993. Yes I went in for hearing test, and was found to have perfect hearing. The next doctor they will send you to is for psych. eval. , or if doctor is smarter, they'll want to do a MRI of your head to look for tumors. Didn't find any in me (either), so research the EMR problem, and you'll be looking at that WiFI or WLAN router in a different light... Good luck and take care, Stewart carol wrote: > New to this group. Don't know where to start really. Does anybody any experience on wireless routers. There was one in my office at work (in a hospital) for a about a year. Other people said they could hear a squeal in my room. I couldn't. I rang our IT communications department and they said it could be faulty. They swapped it. Another 8 months and they new one is still there, with me working under it. > > I now have a sudden onset of constant tinnitus ( a week ago (sounds like a computer monitor (high pitched) and it is CONSTANT)). My GP has put me in for a hearing test which will take months. > > I need to know how to deal with it as I won't let it affect my life. Therefore I am starting to research tinnitus etc. > > All I need to know is does anyone think it could be related? I do not wish to blame but I find it highly suspicious. > > many many thanks folks. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Someone told me that it could be metal toxification as well. Loni
--- On Fri, 6/10/11, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Tinnitus To: [hidden email] Date: Friday, June 10, 2011, 9:55 AM > This is great Stewart. My husband has tinnitus and he, as you know, is not a believer in EHS. Tinnitus DOES seem to be related to the mobilization of toxins. I normally do NOT have ringing ears, however I regularly do short rounds of heavy metal detox using alpha lipoic acid. After these rounds, my ears are usually ringing LOUDLY. It is known that after these rounds, toxins are being redistributed throughout the body (rather than exiting the body). Marc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Lizzie, I believe once it effects them to a certain degree they cannot ignore it any longer. Just a matter of time. Loni
--- On Fri, 6/10/11, Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]> Subject: RE: [eSens] Hi To: [hidden email] Date: Friday, June 10, 2011, 10:29 AM Mine is in complete denial too. He is so toxic with cell phone radiation ( before he moved) he gave my puppy radiation poisoning when she slept in his bed for 3 nights. She had severe diarrahrea for nearly a week. Lizzie To: [hidden email] From: [hidden email] Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 09:45:42 -0700 Subject: Re: [eSens] Hi This is great Stewart. My husband has tinnitus and he, as you know, is not a believer in EHS. Right out the bedroom window you can see clearly 3 cell antennas & another tower at the library. So I know it is contributing to his ringing. I forwarded this email to him! Can't wait to get feedback. He is in big time denial of it all. Loni --- On Fri, 6/10/11, S Andreason <[hidden email]> wrote: From: S Andreason <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Hi To: [hidden email] Date: Friday, June 10, 2011, 7:33 AM Hi Carol, Yes, I think tinnitis is directly related to EMR/EMF exposure. My mom's tinnitis disappeared when we moved here in 2002, and came back as a couple towers were added a few miles away, and then WiFi invaded the neighborhood. I now have it too, as this past year has brought negative changes here. I have more on my page at: http://seahorseCorral.org/ehs1.html Also, the high-pitched hearing sensitivity is exactly what I had when my health crashed in 1993. Yes I went in for hearing test, and was found to have perfect hearing. The next doctor they will send you to is for psych. eval. , or if doctor is smarter, they'll want to do a MRI of your head to look for tumors. Didn't find any in me (either), so research the EMR problem, and you'll be looking at that WiFI or WLAN router in a different light... Good luck and take care, Stewart carol wrote: > New to this group. Don't know where to start really. Does anybody any experience on wireless routers. There was one in my office at work (in a hospital) for a about a year. Other people said they could hear a squeal in my room. I couldn't. I rang our IT communications department and they said it could be faulty. They swapped it. Another 8 months and they new one is still there, with me working under it. > > I now have a sudden onset of constant tinnitus ( a week ago (sounds like a computer monitor (high pitched) and it is CONSTANT)). My GP has put me in for a hearing test which will take months. > > I need to know how to deal with it as I won't let it affect my life. Therefore I am starting to research tinnitus etc. > > All I need to know is does anyone think it could be related? I do not wish to blame but I find it highly suspicious. > > many many thanks folks. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Loni, you're right, that's also a possibility. If someone is heavy metal toxic, I might try the Body Ecology Diet. It's all about avoiding dairy & eating strictly fermented foods (young coconut kefir, fermented grains, sauerkraut) etc. It's used for kids w/ autism, but as probiotics aid detox pathways, the heavy metals seem to chelate themselves "naturally" after 6 months or so on this diet. P.S. DO NOT take DMPS or EDTA. My Lyme doc, who is a D.O., has seen many get permanent brain damage from taking these, probably b/c they fail to chelate the metals out of the nervous system (CNS), & also they just redistribute the metals in the gut to other areas in the body. More & more, alternative practitioners are finding that the best (& possibly only effective) way to get rid of metals is to have a very strict diet focused around detox, b/c such a diet makes your body better able to process the metals & other toxins. Ex's: Body Ecology Diet, Dr. Thomas Rau's
alkaline diet, or the one outlined in Minding My Mitochondria by Dr. Wahl. --- On Fri, 6/10/11, Loni <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Loni <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Tinnitus To: [hidden email] Date: Friday, June 10, 2011, 2:12 PM Someone told me that it could be metal toxification as well. Loni --- On Fri, 6/10/11, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Tinnitus To: [hidden email] Date: Friday, June 10, 2011, 9:55 AM > This is great Stewart. My husband has tinnitus and he, as you know, is not a believer in EHS. Tinnitus DOES seem to be related to the mobilization of toxins. I normally do NOT have ringing ears, however I regularly do short rounds of heavy metal detox using alpha lipoic acid. After these rounds, my ears are usually ringing LOUDLY. It is known that after these rounds, toxins are being redistributed throughout the body (rather than exiting the body). Marc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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> P.S. DO NOT take DMPS or EDTA.
I suspect your are referring to large amounts of DMPS or EDTA via IV? Taking small amounts of these substances should be fine. People using the Andy Cutler protocol often report improvement by taking tiny (5mg) amounts of DMPS every 8 hours. And some people report improvements via IV, although this can definitely be dangerous. Marc |
Nope, my Lyme doc said don't take them in ANY form. If you're electro-sensitive, I wouldn't take the risk, even though DMPS & EDTA have helped many people.
--- On Fri, 6/10/11, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Tinnitus To: [hidden email] Date: Friday, June 10, 2011, 2:28 PM > P.S. DO NOT take DMPS or EDTA. I suspect your are referring to large amounts of DMPS or EDTA via IV? Taking small amounts of these substances should be fine. People using the Andy Cutler protocol often report improvement by taking tiny (5mg) amounts of DMPS every 8 hours. And some people report improvements via IV, although this can definitely be dangerous. Marc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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> Nope, my Lyme doc said don't take them in ANY form.
Okay, well, that's one doctors opinion... unfortunately, there are as many doctor's opinions as there are doctors... at this point, I don't really trust any of them... Marc |
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I totally agree with you Elysia about detoxing but man it is hard to stick to a very strict diet as such. My husband is a huge milk & cheese consumer & he would never give those things up.
Just sayin! Loni --- On Fri, 6/10/11, Elysia Drew <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Elysia Drew <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Tinnitus To: [hidden email] Date: Friday, June 10, 2011, 11:21 AM Loni, you're right, that's also a possibility. If someone is heavy metal toxic, I might try the Body Ecology Diet. It's all about avoiding dairy & eating strictly fermented foods (young coconut kefir, fermented grains, sauerkraut) etc. It's used for kids w/ autism, but as probiotics aid detox pathways, the heavy metals seem to chelate themselves "naturally" after 6 months or so on this diet. P.S. DO NOT take DMPS or EDTA. My Lyme doc, who is a D.O., has seen many get permanent brain damage from taking these, probably b/c they fail to chelate the metals out of the nervous system (CNS), & also they just redistribute the metals in the gut to other areas in the body. More & more, alternative practitioners are finding that the best (& possibly only effective) way to get rid of metals is to have a very strict diet focused around detox, b/c such a diet makes your body better able to process the metals & other toxins. Ex's: Body Ecology Diet, Dr. Thomas Rau's alkaline diet, or the one outlined in Minding My Mitochondria by Dr. Wahl. --- On Fri, 6/10/11, Loni <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Loni <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Tinnitus To: [hidden email] Date: Friday, June 10, 2011, 2:12 PM Someone told me that it could be metal toxification as well. Loni --- On Fri, 6/10/11, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Tinnitus To: [hidden email] Date: Friday, June 10, 2011, 9:55 AM > This is great Stewart. My husband has tinnitus and he, as you know, is not a believer in EHS. Tinnitus DOES seem to be related to the mobilization of toxins. I normally do NOT have ringing ears, however I regularly do short rounds of heavy metal detox using alpha lipoic acid. After these rounds, my ears are usually ringing LOUDLY. It is known that after these rounds, toxins are being redistributed throughout the body (rather than exiting the body). Marc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Probably depends on your detox system and what degree of damage has been done. For most of us it is pretty bad I would imagine.
Wouldn't that be stronger or more harsh than ALA? I know even that is difficult for me! Loni --- On Fri, 6/10/11, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Tinnitus To: [hidden email] Date: Friday, June 10, 2011, 11:28 AM > P.S. DO NOT take DMPS or EDTA. I suspect your are referring to large amounts of DMPS or EDTA via IV? Taking small amounts of these substances should be fine. People using the Andy Cutler protocol often report improvement by taking tiny (5mg) amounts of DMPS every 8 hours. And some people report improvements via IV, although this can definitely be dangerous. Marc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Yes I have trouble trusting docs as well but at least this one believes that EHS is real! Loni
--- On Fri, 6/10/11, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Tinnitus To: [hidden email] Date: Friday, June 10, 2011, 11:59 AM > Nope, my Lyme doc said don't take them in ANY form. Okay, well, that's one doctors opinion... unfortunately, there are as many doctor's opinions as there are doctors... at this point, I don't really trust any of them... Marc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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> Wouldn't that be stronger or more harsh than ALA? I know even that is difficult for me!
Generally people find DMPS more tolerable than ALA. This is because ALA is both fat and water soluble, so it can draw out toxins from everywhere within the body. DMPS is only water soluble, so it can only get at SOME toxins in the body. Marc |
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Here's an idea or two:
During the Homogenization of milk, "the fat globules are forcibly broken up by mechanical means, it allows an enzyme associated with milk fat, known as xanthine oxidase to become free and penetrate the intestinal wall. Once xanthine oxidase gets through the intestinal wall and into the bloodstream, it is capable of creating scar damage to the heart and arteries, which in turn may stimulate the body to release cholesterol into the blood in an attempt to lay a protective fatty material on the scarred areas. This can lead to arteriosclerosis." Quoted from the U.S. Dept. of Agriculture, Goat Extension Handbook, Sheet E-1, printed 1984. Next the pasteurization of milk kills good bacteria along with the bad. For these two reasons, my parents back in the 70s had a cow or bought raw dairy milk. Then when learning that goat milk is more digestible in fat and protein than cow milk, thus less allergenic, we switched in 1979. Before the switch, my two little brothers baby teeth were full of cavities, but afterward, their adult teeth grew in, and never had a cavity. Whereas I grew up on cow milk, and so have no such protection. Fast forward to 1995 when I moved away from home because of my EHS, to get away from the power lines. I stopped eating dairy, and either because of that or my new location, I got better. 2002, Moved here, then in 4 years started getting worse again. Maybe blame towers and proliferation of EMR, or maybe blame dairy back in diet? 2011.March. Visit new N.D. doctor because of inflamed intestine (for the last year or so), and worsening of tinnitus. This doctor has the SCIO biofeedback machine, which works on measuring cellular frequencies. I learned my blood type, and discovered I have been eating quite a few foods that I shouldn't. One food that is categorically good for type AB, is goat milk. But I learned I was lactose intolerant, and in need of "Industrial" detoxification yet again as well. I stopped eating all dairy, forming the opinion just mentioned above, that I have been causing my own problems in ignorance. Yesterday, 3rd visit, upper intestines are healed, so I can absorb nutrition again properly, and that would include the proper gut flora has been restored. Surprise: I am no longer allergic to milk. Tinnitus is still loud. so I don't think dairy is connected to organic dairy products. But the idea that different blood types process foods differently, may be a reason for some successes with certain diets that avoid this or that. Certainly looks possible that needing detoxification might be connected to tinnitus. Still looking for answers on that problem... Stewart Loni wrote: > I totally agree with you Elysia about detoxing but man it is hard to stick to a very strict diet as such. My husband is a huge milk & cheese consumer & he would never give those things up. > |
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There is a cottage cheese detox diet, Loni! ;)
--- On Fri, 6/10/11, Loni <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Loni <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Tinnitus To: [hidden email] Date: Friday, June 10, 2011, 3:28 PM I totally agree with you Elysia about detoxing but man it is hard to stick to a very strict diet as such. My husband is a huge milk & cheese consumer & he would never give those things up. Just sayin! Loni --- On Fri, 6/10/11, Elysia Drew <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Elysia Drew <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Tinnitus To: [hidden email] Date: Friday, June 10, 2011, 11:21 AM Loni, you're right, that's also a possibility. If someone is heavy metal toxic, I might try the Body Ecology Diet. It's all about avoiding dairy & eating strictly fermented foods (young coconut kefir, fermented grains, sauerkraut) etc. It's used for kids w/ autism, but as probiotics aid detox pathways, the heavy metals seem to chelate themselves "naturally" after 6 months or so on this diet. P.S. DO NOT take DMPS or EDTA. My Lyme doc, who is a D.O., has seen many get permanent brain damage from taking these, probably b/c they fail to chelate the metals out of the nervous system (CNS), & also they just redistribute the metals in the gut to other areas in the body. More & more, alternative practitioners are finding that the best (& possibly only effective) way to get rid of metals is to have a very strict diet focused around detox, b/c such a diet makes your body better able to process the metals & other toxins. Ex's: Body Ecology Diet, Dr. Thomas Rau's alkaline diet, or the one outlined in Minding My Mitochondria by Dr. Wahl. --- On Fri, 6/10/11, Loni <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Loni <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Tinnitus To: [hidden email] Date: Friday, June 10, 2011, 2:12 PM Someone told me that it could be metal toxification as well. Loni --- On Fri, 6/10/11, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Tinnitus To: [hidden email] Date: Friday, June 10, 2011, 9:55 AM > This is great Stewart. My husband has tinnitus and he, as you know, is not a believer in EHS. Tinnitus DOES seem to be related to the mobilization of toxins. I normally do NOT have ringing ears, however I regularly do short rounds of heavy metal detox using alpha lipoic acid. After these rounds, my ears are usually ringing LOUDLY. It is known that after these rounds, toxins are being redistributed throughout the body (rather than exiting the body). Marc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Hi, Carol,
Welcome to the group! Hope you find some help here! I second and third everything Stewart and Andrew said. My husband and son do not have actual ES but even they have tinnitus around particular frequencies I pick up on and react to. I made them aware of it in themselves. My son started saying how his ears sometimes rang badly. So I would say "do your ears ring now?" when I felt frequencies. He almost always would say yes. Soon, he'd have tinnitus and wait to see if I complained about a headache or falling blood pressure.... We got to the point we could predict each other's symptoms. Diane --- On Fri, 6/10/11, carol <[hidden email]> wrote: From: carol <[hidden email]> Subject: [eSens] Hi To: [hidden email] Date: Friday, June 10, 2011, 4:20 AM New to this group. Don't know where to start really. Does anybody any experience on wireless routers. There was one in my office at work (in a hospital) for a about a year. Other people said they could hear a squeal in my room. I couldn't. I rang our IT communications department and they said it could be faulty. They swapped it. Another 8 months and they new one is still there, with me working under it. I now have a sudden onset of constant tinnitus ( a week ago (sounds like a computer monitor (high pitched) and it is CONSTANT)). My GP has put me in for a hearing test which will take months. I need to know how to deal with it as I won't let it affect my life. Therefore I am starting to research tinnitus etc. All I need to know is does anyone think it could be related? I do not wish to blame but I find it highly suspicious. many many thanks folks. Carol [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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