Hello, i'm new and need advise

Hello,

well my story is a long one, the most important at the moment is the HF radiation for me. Need some help.

As i moved to a new appartment i couldn't sleep for damn 3 or 4 weeks, i nearly lost my memory, was tired all the time and got light sensitive. I borrowed a HF radiation measure device (Gigahertz HF35C) and i measured at my sleeping place about 50-200 µW/m², from all sides. Other places even more (DECT phone from neighbour in my bathroom). Up to 250µW/m².

So the first step was that i slept at a different place. What a wonder! After 3 days i started to sleep again. At this place i measured around 5-15µW/m², the only place in this appartment with so low radiation.

But: This place is not always safe. Seems my neighbour under me has a low radiation DECT phone which turns off radiation only when it's in the base-station. So i need a solution!

I thought i'll buy a fly-screen which i put under my sleeping place. I live in the top of a 8 family house. The following i want buy:

http://www.ebay.de/itm/290650219194?hlp=false

My question is: 1.4mm X 1.4mm is enough to block the radiation from my neighbour below (up to 250µW/m²)? It's made of aluminium and thickness of the wires is 0.22mm.

I don't have the Gigahertz HF35C anymore because it was just borrowed but i sleep very, very bad when the DECT is radiating me. The problem is that i need some days to recover from this shit until i feel OK again..

Hello Priest? (is that your name?) Welcome to the group. What state do you live in? You can check this info out, as well.
Inexpensive Method To Shield a Room Against ... - Educate Yourself educate-yourself.org/cn/microwaveshielding09jan12.shtml  LizzieTo: [hidden email]
From: [hidden email]
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 15:39:25 +0000
Subject: [eSens] Hello, i'm new and need advise
















 



 


   
     
     
      Hello,



well my story is a long one, the most important at the moment is the HF radiation for me. Need some help.



As i moved to a new appartment i couldn't sleep for damn 3 or 4 weeks, i nearly lost my memory, was tired all the time and got light sensitive. I borrowed a HF radiation measure device (Gigahertz HF35C) and i measured at my sleeping place about 50-200 µW/m², from all sides. Other places even more (DECT phone from neighbour in my bathroom). Up to 250µW/m².



So the first step was that i slept at a different place. What a wonder! After 3 days i started to sleep again. At this place i measured around 5-15µW/m², the only place in this appartment with so low radiation.



But: This place is not always safe. Seems my neighbour under me has a low radiation DECT phone which turns off radiation only when it's in the base-station. So i need a solution!



I thought i'll buy a fly-screen which i put under my sleeping place. I live in the top of a 8 family house. The following i want buy:



http://www.ebay.de/itm/290650219194?hlp=false



My question is: 1.4mm X 1.4mm is enough to block the radiation from my neighbour below (up to 250µW/m²)? It's made of aluminium and thickness of the wires is 0.22mm.



I don't have the Gigahertz HF35C anymore because it was just borrowed but i sleep very, very bad when the DECT is radiating me. The problem is that i need some days to recover from this shit until i feel OK again..





   
     

   
   






       

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Hi,

my name is Gerald and i live in Germany. Thanks for the link but i know this methods already. Aluminium foil doesn't shield enough for me.

--- In [hidden email], Elizabeth thode <lizt777@...> wrote:

Gerald,

Welcome to our list.  I'm sorry you're getting fried by their phones.

I have read about Magnesium board but haven't tried it.

 It is magnesium oxide, a type of mineral cement, and is commonly called simply “MgO” Available in many forms, comes in
 various thicknesses and sheet sizes.

 It also comes
 in various grades, such as smooth finishes, rough textures, and utility
 grade

It can be scored and snapped, although it is
 stronger than drywall and requires  more effort. It can be cut
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I don't know what thickness to use. Maybe it will help.

Kathy


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      Hello,



well my story is a long one, the most important at the moment is the HF radiation for me. Need some help.



As i moved to a new appartment i couldn't sleep for damn 3 or 4 weeks, i nearly lost my memory, was tired all the time and got light sensitive. I borrowed a HF radiation measure device (Gigahertz HF35C) and i measured at my sleeping place about 50-200 µW/m², from all sides. Other places even more (DECT phone from neighbour in my bathroom). Up to 250µW/m².



So the first step was that i slept at a different place. What a wonder! After 3 days i started to sleep again. At this place i measured around 5-15µW/m², the only place in this appartment with so low radiation.



But: This place is not always safe. Seems my neighbour under me has a low radiation DECT phone which turns off radiation only when it's in the base-station. So i need a solution!



I thought i'll buy a fly-screen which i put under my sleeping place. I live in the top of a 8 family house. The following i want buy:



http://www.ebay.de/itm/290650219194?hlp=false



My question is: 1.4mm X 1.4mm is enough to block the radiation from my neighbour below (up to 250µW/m²)? It's made of aluminium and thickness of the wires is 0.22mm.



I don't have the Gigahertz HF35C anymore because it was just borrowed but i sleep very, very bad when the DECT is radiating me. The problem is that i need some days to recover from this shit until i feel OK again..





   
     

   
   






 










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I have not slept properly for many many years - I try different locations  
in the home when I can and also change the orientation of my portable
matress  found good result with head to east and legs west for a while but now go  
for head south orientation.  My bedroom is a no sleep zone, my  daughters
Ipod shows my neighbours wifi at the pillow, whereas the location I  now get
some sleep in shows nothing.  I try not to use a meter, to  extensively
these days and try to go with my initial feelings, however we all  know that can
fool use and wake up in the middle of the night feeling really  crap so
each situation on its own merits I guess.
 
seems silly but you can afford to be to hygienic in terms of your exposure  
unless you are planning on living like a complete hermit, we all have our
own  anomalous fluctuating levels so each to his own..
 
 
puk
 
 
In a message dated 27/08/2012 17:04:04 GMT Daylight Time,  
[hidden email] writes:

 
 
 

Hello,

well my story is a long one, the most important at the moment  is the HF
radiation for me. Need some help.

As i moved to a new  appartment i couldn't sleep for damn 3 or 4 weeks, i
nearly lost my memory,  was tired all the time and got light sensitive. I
borrowed a HF radiation  measure device (Gigahertz HF35C) and i measured at my
sleeping place about  50-200 µW/m², from all sides. Other places even more
(DECT phone from  neighbour in my bathroom). Up to 250µW/m².

So the first step was that  i slept at a different place. What a wonder!
After 3 days i started to sleep  again. At this place i measured around
5-15µW/m², the only place in this  appartment with so low radiation.

But: This place is not always safe.  Seems my neighbour under me has a low
radiation DECT phone which turns off  radiation only when it's in the
base-station. So i need a solution!

I  thought i'll buy a fly-screen which i put under my sleeping place. I
live in  the top of a 8 family house. The following i want buy:

_http://www.ebay.de/itm/290650219194?hlp=false_
(http://www.ebay.de/itm/290650219194?hlp=false)

My  question is: 1.4mm X 1.4mm is enough to block the radiation from my
neighbour  below (up to 250µW/m²)? It's made of aluminium and thickness of the
wires is  0.22mm.

I don't have the Gigahertz HF35C anymore because it was just  borrowed but
i sleep very, very bad when the DECT is radiating me. The problem  is that i
need some days to recover from this shit until i feel OK  again..






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Sure, you can go by feelings etc. But i get my headache after 2-3 days of exposure and till then i don't know. And headache etc. can be caused by different things also.

My point is: I can't feel HF radiation immediately. And when i was exposed too much i need long time (3 days wasted) to recover. There are tools which show me HF radiation, so i want to use these tools. We are blind in this case and this radiation measuring devices are like blind-dogs (of course only the really good ones).

In future i plan to move to a new appartment anyway and till then i want live somehow normal. This HF radiation makes everyone sick, in my humble opinion. But it affects everyone in different ways, some get aggressive and others get a headache etc.

--- In [hidden email], paulpjc@... wrote:

@puk
Your situation could have been improved, but you did not want to.

I offered to send you something, free of charge, just for testing, but you refused to give me your postal address.
And without address I cannot send something by post.

Now, the testing period is over.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Emsisoft



  ----- Original Message -----
  From: [hidden email]
  To: [hidden email]
  Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 8:23 PM
  Subject: Re: [eSens] Hello, i'm new and need advise


  I have not slept properly for many many years - I try different locations  
  in the home when I can and also change the orientation of my portable
  matress  found good result with head to east and legs west for a while but now go  
  for head south orientation.  My bedroom is a no sleep zone, my  daughters
  Ipod shows my neighbours wifi at the pillow, whereas the location I  now get
  some sleep in shows nothing.  I try not to use a meter, to  extensively
  these days and try to go with my initial feelings, however we all  know that can
  fool use and wake up in the middle of the night feeling really  crap so
  each situation on its own merits I guess.
   
  seems silly but you can afford to be to hygienic in terms of your exposure  
  unless you are planning on living like a complete hermit, we all have our
  own  anomalous fluctuating levels so each to his own..
   
   
  puk
   
   

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Gerald,

I feel wi-fi I immediately too. It's awful.

The Cornet ED15sa  meter http://s160930441.onlinehome.us/resources/ED15sa.pdf


might be good, b/c has a spectrum analyzer built in. Let you know about active wi-fi.

We all think it is making everyone sick too. Most don't feel  literally as we do. I wish more would listen.


Do you have smart meters on utility meters for electric & gas yet?  They run at least 900 megahertz
Go through your living space, not just to the outside.

stopsmartmeters.org
Kathy



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: [eSens] Re: Hello, i'm new and need advise
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, August 27, 2012, 1:37 PM
















 



 


   
     
     
      Sure, you can go by feelings etc. But i get my headache after 2-3 days of exposure and till then i don't know. And headache etc. can be caused by different things also.



My point is: I can't feel HF radiation immediately. And when i was exposed too much i need long time (3 days wasted) to recover. There are tools which show me HF radiation, so i want to use these tools. We are blind in this case and this radiation measuring devices are like blind-dogs (of course only the really good ones).



In future i plan to move to a new appartment anyway and till then i want live somehow normal. This HF radiation makes everyone sick, in my humble opinion. But it affects everyone in different ways, some get aggressive and others get a headache etc.



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Hi Kathy,

thanks for the link. I will take this device into my list.

We have such "smart meters" here in Germany also. I don't know if they work the same way as in the USA. Here are such "smart meters" at my radiators which send in Bluetooth frequency. The odd thing about this is that they don't use it anyway and come every year to write down the usage. However, i didn't measure any radiation with the Gigahertz HF35C at this smart meters. But i covered them in aluminium-foil anyway (4-5 parts). The Gigahertz guy told me that those smart meters (at least in Germany) send with relative low energy so some aluminium-foil should be enough to stop them.

I wish i would feel it immediately, so i could run away immediately. I never know actually if my neighbour has her phone in the base-station or not... that makes me crazy because i know every little bit makes sick and actually i can't avoid it totally. I just know that from Wi-Fi i get subsultus, if the signal is strong enough.

--- In [hidden email], KathyB <calicocat477@...> wrote:

into every life a little rain must fall, so how did the test work out for  
those that took up your offer ?
 
 
In a message dated 27/08/2012 19:49:08 GMT Daylight Time,  
[hidden email] writes:

 
 
 
@puk
Your situation could have been improved, but you did not want  to.

I offered to send you something, free of charge, just for testing,  but you
refused to give me your postal address.
And without address I  cannot send something by post.

Now, the testing period is  over.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband  Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked  by Emsisoft

----- Original Message -----
From: _paulpjc@aol.com_ (mailto:[hidden email])  
To: _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email])  
Sent:  Monday, August 27, 2012 8:23 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Hello, i'm new and  need advise

I have not slept properly for many many years - I try  different locations
in the home when I can and also change the orientation  of my portable
matress found good result with head to east and legs west  for a while but
now go
for head south orientation. My bedroom is a no  sleep zone, my daughters
Ipod shows my neighbours wifi at the pillow,  whereas the location I now
get
some sleep in shows nothing. I try not to  use a meter, to extensively
these days and try to go with my initial  feelings, however we all know
that can
fool use and wake up in the middle  of the night feeling really crap so
each situation on its own merits I  guess.

seems silly but you can afford to be to hygienic in terms of  your exposure
unless you are planning on living like a complete hermit, we  all have our
own anomalous fluctuating levels so each to his  own..


puk



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we are due to 4G test here next month, the low frequency is a great worry  
for me, if HF is your problem then we have terahertz technology coming to -
 
Puk
 
 
In a message dated 27/08/2012 19:37:58 GMT Daylight Time,  
[hidden email] writes:

 
 
 
Sure, you can go by feelings etc. But i get my headache after 2-3 days of  
exposure and till then i don't know. And headache etc. can be caused by  
different things also.

My point is: I can't feel HF radiation  immediately. And when i was exposed
too much i need long time (3 days wasted)  to recover. There are tools
which show me HF radiation, so i want to use these  tools. We are blind in this
case and this radiation measuring devices are like  blind-dogs (of course
only the really good ones).

In future i plan to  move to a new appartment anyway and till then i want
live somehow normal. This  HF radiation makes everyone sick, in my humble
opinion. But it affects  everyone in different ways, some get aggressive and
others get a headache  etc.

--- In _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) , paulpjc@...
 wrote:
>
> I have not slept properly for many many years - I try  different
locations
> in the home when I can and also change the  orientation of my portable
> matress found good result with head to  east and legs west for a while
but now go
> for head south orientation.  My bedroom is a no sleep zone, my daughters
> Ipod shows my neighbours  wifi at the pillow, whereas the location I now
get
> some sleep in  shows nothing. I try not to use a meter, to extensively
> these days  and try to go with my initial feelings, however we all know
that can
>  fool use and wake up in the middle of the night feeling really crap so  
> each situation on its own merits I guess.
>
> seems  silly but you can afford to be to hygienic in terms of your
exposure
>  unless you are planning on living like a complete hermit, we all have
our   at my
> sleeping place about  50-200 µW/m², from all sides. Other places even
more
> (DECT phone  from neighbour in my bathroom). Up to 250µW/m².
>
> So the  first step was that i slept at a different place. What a wonder!
>  After 3 days i started to sleep again. At this place i measured around  
> 5-15µW/m², the only place in this appartment with so low  radiation.
>
> But: This place is not always safe. Seems my  neighbour under me has a
low
> radiation DECT phone which turns off  radiation only when it's in the
> base-station. So i need a  solution!
>
> I thought i'll buy a fly-screen which i put under  my sleeping place. I
> live in the top of a 8 family house. The  following i want buy:
>
> __http://www.ebay.de/itm/290650219194?hlp=false__
(http://www.ebay.de/itm/290650219194?hlp=false_)  
> (_http://www.ebay.de/itm/290650219194?hlp=false_
(http://www.ebay.de/itm/290650219194?hlp=false) )  
>
> My question is: 1.4mm X 1.4mm is enough to block the  radiation from my
> neighbour below (up to 250µW/m²)? It's made of  aluminium and thickness
of the
> wires is 0.22mm.
>
> I  don't have the Gigahertz HF35C anymore because it was just borrowed
but  
> i sleep very, very bad when the DECT is radiating me. The problem is  
that i
> need some days to recover from this shit until i feel OK  again..
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  [Non-text portions of this message have been  removed]
>






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At the moment I do have ca. 70 happy people.
A lady with a pacemaker, who had trouble leaving the house, now travels with public transport (amidst smartphones and tabelts) sleeps in a hotel in Barcelona which has much Wifi installed.
Another person had trouble in the office, now can function again normally.
Most people sleep better and have more dreams.
Another person told me that his sister, who suffers from fibromyalgia but not electrosensitivity, reported a 50% less complaints after 2-3 weeks.

With my biofeedback system I measue 170 Bionarkers, and so I also can measure improvements in health.

Most electrosensitives do have a chronic deficit on Calcium.
And aside to that they also have a Calcium loss.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Emsisoft
.

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: [hidden email]
  To: [hidden email]
  Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 9:53 PM
  Subject: Re: [eSens] Hello, i'm new and need advise


  into every life a little rain must fall, so how did the test work out for  
  those that took up your offer ?
   
   
  In a message dated 27/08/2012 19:49:08 GMT Daylight Time,  
  [hidden email] writes:

   
   
   
  @puk
  Your situation could have been improved, but you did not want  to.

  I offered to send you something, free of charge, just for testing,  but you
  refused to give me your postal address.
  And without address I  cannot send something by post.

  Now, the testing period is  over.

  Greetings,
  Charles Claessens
  member Verband  Baubiologie
  www.milieuziektes.nl
  www.milieuziektes.be
  www.hetbitje.nl
  checked  by Emsisoft

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: _paulpjc@aol.com_ (mailto:[hidden email])  
  To: _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email])  
  Sent:  Monday, August 27, 2012 8:23 PM
  Subject: Re: [eSens] Hello, i'm new and  need advise

  I have not slept properly for many many years - I try  different locations
  in the home when I can and also change the orientation  of my portable
  matress found good result with head to east and legs west  for a while but
  now go
  for head south orientation. My bedroom is a no  sleep zone, my daughters
  Ipod shows my neighbours wifi at the pillow,  whereas the location I now
  get
  some sleep in shows nothing. I try not to  use a meter, to extensively
  these days and try to go with my initial  feelings, however we all know
  that can
  fool use and wake up in the middle  of the night feeling really crap so
  each situation on its own merits I  guess.

  seems silly but you can afford to be to hygienic in terms of  your exposure
  unless you are planning on living like a complete hermit, we  all have our
  own anomalous fluctuating levels so each to his  own..


  puk



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Gerald,

This mentions distance in feet, know you use metric.

http://www.mobileinfo.com/Bluetooth/FAQ.htm#t3

Bluetooth  operates on the unlicensed
2.4 GHz (Industrial, Scientific and Medical) frequency band that is
shared among other devices (microwave ovens, cordless phones, garage
door openers, etc. )

   transmission range will only be 10m, about 30ft.


High-powered Bluetooth devices will enable ranges up to 100m (300ft).

Kathy
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      Hi Kathy,



thanks for the link. I will take this device into my list.



We have such "smart meters" here in Germany also. I don't know if they work the same way as in the USA. Here are such "smart meters" at my radiators which send in Bluetooth frequency. The odd thing about this is that they don't use it anyway and come every year to write down the usage. However, i didn't measure any radiation with the Gigahertz HF35C at this smart meters. But i covered them in aluminium-foil anyway (4-5 parts). The Gigahertz guy told me that those smart meters (at least in Germany) send with relative low energy so some aluminium-foil should be enough to stop them.



I wish i would feel it immediately, so i could run away immediately. I never know actually if my neighbour has her phone in the base-station or not... that makes me crazy because i know every little bit makes sick and actually i can't avoid it totally. I just know that from Wi-Fi i get subsultus, if the signal is strong enough.



--- In [hidden email], KathyB <calicocat477@...> wrote:

>

> Gerald,

>

> I feel wi-fi I immediately too. It's awful.

>

> The Cornet ED15sa  meter http://s160930441.onlinehome.us/resources/ED15sa.pdf

>

>

> might be good, b/c has a spectrum analyzer built in. Let you know about active wi-fi.

>

> We all think it is making everyone sick too. Most don't feel  literally as we do. I wish more would listen.

>

>

> Do you have smart meters on utility meters for electric & gas yet?  They run at least 900 megahertz

> Go through your living space, not just to the outside.

>

> stopsmartmeters.org

> Kathy

>

>

>





   
     

   
   






 










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Charles,

This is awesome to here about your recoveries.  What kind of biofeedback system do you use? I want to look for someone in my country.

What amount of calcium do you have people start at?  I know you mentioned a cal/mag/K-2 supplement.

Each person is different, but is it all calcium balance for most? Thyroid & adrenals as well.

 I know many have to work on detoxing metals. My situation is different with over responsive GABA receptors from quitting valium. I am 14 mos off. I have improved but have a way to go.

Thanks, Kathy



From: charles <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Hello, i'm new and need advise
















 



 


   
     
     
      At the moment I do have ca. 70 happy people.

A lady with a pacemaker, who had trouble leaving the house, now travels with public transport (amidst smartphones and tabelts) sleeps in a hotel in Barcelona which has much Wifi installed.

Another person had trouble in the office, now can function again normally.

Most people sleep better and have more dreams.

Another person told me that his sister, who suffers from fibromyalgia but not electrosensitivity, reported a 50% less complaints after 2-3 weeks.



With my biofeedback system I measue 170 Bionarkers, and so I also can measure improvements in health.



Most electrosensitives do have a chronic deficit on Calcium.

And aside to that they also have a Calcium loss.



Greetings,

Charles Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes.nl

www.milieuziektes.be

www.hetbitje.nl

checked by Emsisoft

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Hi Charles,
Thanks for sharing. Which product you recommend as per your biofeedback system?
Please share.
Thanks
Raj

--- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote: