Heat for my Van?????? Brrrrr

It will start to get cold & I will need some heat for my van for sleeping at night.
 
Any ideas how to do this without using propane or the van battery?
 
Loni


     

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There are battery heated boots... or heat a rock in an oven?

Bill

On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 11:12 AM, Loni Rosser <[hidden email]> wrote:


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In a message dated 9/15/2008 4:08:42 A.M. GMT Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:

It will start to get cold & I will need some heat for my van for
> sleeping at night.
>
> Any ideas how to do this without using propane or the van battery?
>
> Loni

PUK replies - find another man/women to share a sleeping bag with you -ask
an Eskimo it really works. If you are in a hot climate you could try a heat
storage method using dense rocks that soak up the sun during the day and give
off heat at night, needs some thought...these are testing times for you and
my heart goes out to you. Bend like the willow in the wind for as long as you
can !

Puk








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Oh the boots are interesting. I used to have ski boots that were heated. Good idea.
 
Loni

--- On Sun, 9/14/08, Bill Bruno <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Bill Bruno <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Heat for my Van?????? Brrrrr
To: [hidden email]
Date: Sunday, September 14, 2008, 8:08 PM






There are battery heated boots... or heat a rock in an oven?

Bill

On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 11:12 AM, Loni Rosser <loni326@yahoo. com> wrote:

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I wish I had a mate that I could share a sleeping bag with in the desert. Ha. It's pretty lonely out there. Soon cold too. Great idea. Loni

--- On Mon, 9/15/08, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Heat for my Van?????? Brrrrr
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, September 15, 2008, 1:35 AM







In a message dated 9/15/2008 4:08:42 A.M. GMT Daylight Time,
wbruno@gmail. com writes:

It will start to get cold & I will need some heat for my van for
> sleeping at night.
>
> Any ideas how to do this without using propane or the van battery?
>
> Loni

PUK replies - find another man/women to share a sleeping bag with you -ask
an Eskimo it really works. If you are in a hot climate you could try a heat
storage method using dense rocks that soak up the sun during the day and give
off heat at night, needs some thought...these are testing times for you and
my heart goes out to you. Bend like the willow in the wind for as long as you
can !

Puk

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A while back, I was pretty much homeless and I had to spend around 15 hoursin my car daily.  So in the winter I took bottles of hot, hot water, drank it and kept them close to me with blankets wrapped around me.  That really helped.



--- On Mon, 9/15/08, Loni Rosser <[hidden email]> wrote:
From: Loni Rosser <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Heat for my Van?????? Brrrrr
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, September 15, 2008, 1:46 PM










   
I wish I had a mate that I could share a sleeping bag with in the desert. Ha. It's pretty lonely out there. Soon cold too. Great idea. Loni



--- On Mon, 9/15/08, paulpjc@aol. com <paulpjc@aol. com> wrote:



From: paulpjc@aol. com <paulpjc@aol. com>

Subject: Re: [eSens] Heat for my Van?????? Brrrrr

To: eSens@yahoogroups. com

Date: Monday, September 15, 2008, 1:35 AM



In a message dated 9/15/2008 4:08:42 A.M. GMT Daylight Time,

wbruno@gmail. com writes:



It will start to get cold & I will need some heat for my van for

> sleeping at night.

>

> Any ideas how to do this without using propane or the van battery?

>

> Loni



PUK replies - find another man/women to share a sleeping bag with you -ask

an Eskimo it really works. If you are in a hot climate you could try a heat

storage method using dense rocks that soak up the sun during the day and give

off heat at night, needs some thought...these are testing times for you and

my heart goes out to you. Bend like the willow in the wind for as long as you

can !



Puk



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How did you keep the water from getting cold? Loni

--- On Mon, 9/15/08, Elizabeth Mumper <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Elizabeth Mumper <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Heat for my Van?????? Brrrrr
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, September 15, 2008, 12:02 PM






A while back, I was pretty much homeless and I had to spend around 15 hoursin my car daily.  So in the winter I took bottles of hot, hot water, drank it and kept them close to me with blankets wrapped around me.  That really helped.

--- On Mon, 9/15/08, Loni Rosser <loni326@yahoo. com> wrote:
From: Loni Rosser <loni326@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Heat for my Van?????? Brrrrr
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, September 15, 2008, 1:46 PM

I wish I had a mate that I could share a sleeping bag with in the desert. Ha. It's pretty lonely out there. Soon cold too. Great idea. Loni

--- On Mon, 9/15/08, paulpjc@aol. com <paulpjc@aol. com> wrote:

From: paulpjc@aol. com <paulpjc@aol. com>

Subject: Re: [eSens] Heat for my Van?????? Brrrrr

To: eSens@yahoogroups. com

Date: Monday, September 15, 2008, 1:35 AM

In a message dated 9/15/2008 4:08:42 A.M. GMT Daylight Time,

wbruno@gmail. com writes:

It will start to get cold & I will need some heat for my van for

> sleeping at night.

>

> Any ideas how to do this without using propane or the van battery?

>

> Loni

PUK replies - find another man/women to share a sleeping bag with you -ask

an Eskimo it really works. If you are in a hot climate you could try a heat

storage method using dense rocks that soak up the sun during the day and give

off heat at night, needs some thought...these are testing times for you and

my heart goes out to you. Bend like the willow in the wind for as long as you

can !

Puk

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They didn't last the entire time. But if I kept them next to my body, they were good for a couple of hours at least.

--- On Mon, 9/15/08, Loni Rosser <[hidden email]> wrote:
From: Loni Rosser <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Heat for my Van?????? Brrrrr
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, September 15, 2008, 3:19 PM










   
How did you keep the water from getting cold? Loni



--- On Mon, 9/15/08, Elizabeth Mumper <zil_mumper@yahoo. com> wrote:



From: Elizabeth Mumper <zil_mumper@yahoo. com>

Subject: Re: [eSens] Heat for my Van?????? Brrrrr

To: eSens@yahoogroups. com

Date: Monday, September 15, 2008, 12:02 PM



A while back, I was pretty much homeless and I had to spend around 15 hoursin my car daily.  So in the winter I took bottles of hot, hot water, drank it and kept them close to me with blankets wrapped around me.  That really helped.



--- On Mon, 9/15/08, Loni Rosser <loni326@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Loni Rosser <loni326@yahoo. com>

Subject: Re: [eSens] Heat for my Van?????? Brrrrr

To: eSens@yahoogroups. com

Date: Monday, September 15, 2008, 1:46 PM



I wish I had a mate that I could share a sleeping bag with in the desert. Ha. It's pretty lonely out there. Soon cold too. Great idea. Loni



--- On Mon, 9/15/08, paulpjc@aol. com <paulpjc@aol. com> wrote:



From: paulpjc@aol. com <paulpjc@aol. com>



Subject: Re: [eSens] Heat for my Van?????? Brrrrr



To: eSens@yahoogroups. com



Date: Monday, September 15, 2008, 1:35 AM



In a message dated 9/15/2008 4:08:42 A.M. GMT Daylight Time,



wbruno@gmail. com writes:



It will start to get cold & I will need some heat for my van for



> sleeping at night.



>



> Any ideas how to do this without using propane or the van battery?



>



> Loni



PUK replies - find another man/women to share a sleeping bag with you -ask



an Eskimo it really works. If you are in a hot climate you could try a heat



storage method using dense rocks that soak up the sun during the day and give



off heat at night, needs some thought...these are testing times for you and



my heart goes out to you. Bend like the willow in the wind for as long as you



can !



Puk



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In a message dated 9/15/2008 8:20:12 P.M. GMT Daylight Time,
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It will start to get cold & I will need some heat for my van for

> sleeping at night.

>



Try survival techniques in fire building check out Ray Mears Bush craft book
or similar army survival publications.

PUK






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I don't remember where I recently read this, but some lady with a
bunch of health problems started sleeping outside all year long with
just a sheet over her - even in the freezing cold winter. If I
remember correctly her health was restored by this. Sounds pretty out
there. A quick google search doesn't take me back to where I read this ...

I have a pillow case half full of rice and tied a knot at the open
end. Heated in the microwave, stays toasty hot for several hours
under the blankets.

If you can stand to breath inside a sleeping bag, that can keep you
quite warm also. My brother does that when camping in the freezing
nights of early spring and late fall.

At 02:25 PM 9/15/2008, you wrote:
>In a message dated 9/15/2008 8:20:12 P.M. GMT Daylight Time,
>[hidden email] writes:
>It will start to get cold & I will need some heat for my van for
> > sleeping at night.

A google search using the words camping and freezing
brought up this page
www.backpacking.net/wintertips.html
and another search term to use - with quotation marks,
"winter camping".
Just past half way down the page is the header, "At Night"
It says do NOT breath in the sleeping bag
as it will get wet with condensation.
Lots of insulation underneath you is quite helpful ...
space blankets - the mylar with the silver coating,
you can get at Walmart (or other stores) in the camping section
for a couple of bucks a piece.

At 02:25 PM 9/15/2008, you wrote:
>In a message dated 9/15/2008 8:20:12 P.M. GMT Daylight Time,
>[hidden email] writes:
>It will start to get cold & I will need some heat for my van for
> > sleeping at night.

Thanks karen

--- On Mon, 9/15/08, Karen Eck <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Karen Eck <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Heat for my Van?????? Brrrrr
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, September 15, 2008, 10:49 PM






A google search using the words camping and freezing
brought up this page
www.backpacking. net/wintertips. html
and another search term to use - with quotation marks,
"winter camping".
Just past half way down the page is the header, "At Night"
It says do NOT breath in the sleeping bag
as it will get wet with condensation.
Lots of insulation underneath you is quite helpful ...
space blankets - the mylar with the silver coating,
you can get at Walmart (or other stores) in the camping section
for a couple of bucks a piece.

At 02:25 PM 9/15/2008, you wrote:
>In a message dated 9/15/2008 8:20:12 P.M. GMT Daylight Time,
>loni326@yahoo. com writes:
>It will start to get cold & I will need some heat for my van for
> > sleeping at night.

 














     

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Geez how could she do that?

--- On Mon, 9/15/08, Karen Eck <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Karen Eck <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Heat for my Van?????? Brrrrr
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, September 15, 2008, 10:36 PM






I don't remember where I recently read this, but some lady with a
bunch of health problems started sleeping outside all year long with
just a sheet over her - even in the freezing cold winter. If I
remember correctly her health was restored by this. Sounds pretty out
there. A quick google search doesn't take me back to where I read this ...

I have a pillow case half full of rice and tied a knot at the open
end. Heated in the microwave, stays toasty hot for several hours
under the blankets.

If you can stand to breath inside a sleeping bag, that can keep you
quite warm also. My brother does that when camping in the freezing
nights of early spring and late fall.

At 02:25 PM 9/15/2008, you wrote:
>In a message dated 9/15/2008 8:20:12 P.M. GMT Daylight Time,
>loni326@yahoo. com writes:
>It will start to get cold & I will need some heat for my van for
> > sleeping at night.

 














     

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I have MCS and cannot turn my car heater on.  There are those 8 hour heaters
for dog beds that you heat in a microwave.  I use them, and they do stay warm for that long.  Problem is having access to a microwave.   I also had a heating pad with a cigarette lighter plug.  That was given to me,and I don't know where it came from.  Josie


     

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Hi, Loni,
 
Look online at hunting supply sites, such as Cabela's, Dick's Sporting Goods, and Gander Mountain.  A number of years back I bought my father special blankets--at the time they called them "space blankets"--that had a metalic side that radiated the heat of your body back at you (were less than $10 back then).  The metalic side was put next to your body.  I do not know how you will react to the metalic blanket, ES wise.  Perhaps others here will know.  But I do know that my father loved these and said they kept him very warm.  You could lie or sit on one and use the other one to cover with (I got 2 for my dad to do this when camping out when on hunting trips.)  If you cover the top one with another heavy cloth or down blanket that would REALLY keep you warm!  And I would think these would then not attract EMFs, or at least not as much.
 
Also they sell metalic socks and gloves and he liked these when I got them for him too.  I got some socks for myself and I personally have been ableto wear them without discomfort.  I put them on over thin cotton socks with thick socks over them.  (Buy your thick socks larger so they are not tight and cut off circulation.  Lack of circulation will make you colder.)  Also, there are heating "pads" which you boil or microwave which have gel in them and, for some of these, you heat them up when you want them, but others you can prepare ahead but get the heat out of them days or weekslater.  They make these in various forms, too, and I think there are ones you put around your neck as a neck scarf.  I have seen these, but I do not know if these were at Cabela's.  Might have seen these at QVC.com. I own one of the heating pads.  Mine has some kind of little beads in itwhich, when rubbed together, produces heat and becomes gel-like.  I got mine
at a five and dime store many years ago.
 
If the metalic blankets would work for you, those and the metalic socks (+/or gloves) would be most comfortable for sleeping.  If you have to sleep with boots and heavy coats and clothes on, that just gets cumbersome and uncomfortable (I have tried this on occasion myself when I have slept in the car, so I know how uncomfortable it is!)
 
Hope these work for you,
DIane

--- On Tue, 9/16/08, Karen Eck <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Karen Eck <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Heat for my Van?????? Brrrrr
To: [hidden email]
Date: Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 1:36 AM






I don't remember where I recently read this, but some lady with a
bunch of health problems started sleeping outside all year long with
just a sheet over her - even in the freezing cold winter. If I
remember correctly her health was restored by this. Sounds pretty out
there. A quick google search doesn't take me back to where I read this ...

I have a pillow case half full of rice and tied a knot at the open
end. Heated in the microwave, stays toasty hot for several hours
under the blankets.

If you can stand to breath inside a sleeping bag, that can keep you
quite warm also. My brother does that when camping in the freezing
nights of early spring and late fall.

At 02:25 PM 9/15/2008, you wrote:
>In a message dated 9/15/2008 8:20:12 P.M. GMT Daylight Time,
>loni326@yahoo. com writes:
>It will start to get cold & I will need some heat for my van for
> > sleeping at night.

 














     

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OOPS, Sorry, Karen, I did not read all my mail.  Yes, these are the blankets I meant.
 
Diane

--- On Tue, 9/16/08, Karen Eck <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Karen Eck <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Heat for my Van?????? Brrrrr
To: [hidden email]
Date: Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 1:49 AM






A google search using the words camping and freezing
brought up this page
www.backpacking. net/wintertips. html
and another search term to use - with quotation marks,
"winter camping".
Just past half way down the page is the header, "At Night"
It says do NOT breath in the sleeping bag
as it will get wet with condensation.
Lots of insulation underneath you is quite helpful ...
space blankets - the mylar with the silver coating,
you can get at Walmart (or other stores) in the camping section
for a couple of bucks a piece.

At 02:25 PM 9/15/2008, you wrote:
>In a message dated 9/15/2008 8:20:12 P.M. GMT Daylight Time,
>loni326@yahoo. com writes:
>It will start to get cold & I will need some heat for my van for
> > sleeping at night.

 














     

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Hi, Josie and Loni,
 
I also have the ciggie lighter heated car seat.  I got mine at QVC.com.  I think JCPenney's might also sell these.   They usually only sell them around Christmas time, tho.
 
Diane

--- On Tue, 9/16/08, PickPinkFlowers <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: PickPinkFlowers <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: Heat for my Van?????? Brrrrr
To: [hidden email]
Date: Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 6:36 PM






I have MCS and cannot turn my car heater on.  There are those 8 hour heaters
for dog beds that you heat in a microwave.  I use them, and they do stay warm for that long.  Problem is having access to a microwave.   I also had a heating pad with a cigarette lighter plug.  That was given to me,and I don't know where it came from.  Josie

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That's a great idea but how do I keep it going after the van is turned off.

--- On Wed, 9/17/08, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Evie <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Heat for my Van?????? Brrrrr
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 9:55 PM






Hi, Josie and Loni,
 
I also have the ciggie lighter heated car seat.  I got mine at QVC.com.  I think JCPenney's might also sell these.   They usually only sell them around Christmas time, tho.
 
Diane

--- On Tue, 9/16/08, PickPinkFlowers <haggisisscotsfood@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: PickPinkFlowers <haggisisscotsfood@ yahoo.com>
Subject: [eSens] Re: Heat for my Van?????? Brrrrr
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 6:36 PM

I have MCS and cannot turn my car heater on.  There are those 8 hour heaters
for dog beds that you heat in a microwave.  I use them, and they do stay warm for that long.  Problem is having access to a microwave.   I also had a heating pad with a cigarette lighter plug.  That was given to me,and I don't know where it came from.  Josie

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Hi, Loni,
 
The car seat keeps warm only about 20-40 mins after the car is turned off.  The space blankets (2), one under and one over you, with a heavy quilt or down blanket over that would keep you warm tho, especially if you would begin with the heated seat so that you did not start out cold.  You could add a thin flannel sheet if you don't like the mylar touching you, if these are not otherwise ES troubling.  Add some metalic socks, gloves, agood warm hat and that would go a long way towards keeping you warm.  How cold does it get in the desert, Loni?  We keep down blankets and metalic socks, hats, and gloves in our car all winter because here it can go -25 below zero (one year--tho this was probably a once in a lifetime event--my outside thermometer, and those of all my neighbors, broke at -40!)  If your car breaks down when it is this cold, you are in deep doo-doo.  Wealso have a "car starter"--a small car generator battery you plug into your
ciggie lighter to start a car when it gets very cold and the car battery conks out.  You have to remember to take these in and out of your house with you (and you charge it by plugging into a household outlet), so it doesn't lose its charge.  Comes in handy, tho, when you are caught in subzero temps and your car refuses to start.  You can run various small appliances off of this, too, but that then runs it down too far to use to start your car.  I have used solar lanterns that you charge in the sun by day +/or battery candles for light at night when camping.  I have a battery book light to read and write by.  Sleeping bags are also rated for particular temperatures, Loni.  Just some ideas to think about.
 
Hope you are warm enough,
Diane

--- On Thu, 9/18/08, Loni Rosser <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Loni Rosser <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Heat for my Van?????? Brrrrr
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, September 18, 2008, 3:25 PM






That's a great idea but how do I keep it going after the van is turned off.

--- On Wed, 9/17/08, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Heat for my Van?????? Brrrrr
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 9:55 PM

Hi, Josie and Loni,
 
I also have the ciggie lighter heated car seat.  I got mine at QVC.com.  I think JCPenney's might also sell these.   They usually only sell them around Christmas time, tho.
 
Diane

--- On Tue, 9/16/08, PickPinkFlowers <haggisisscotsfood@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: PickPinkFlowers <haggisisscotsfood@ yahoo.com>
Subject: [eSens] Re: Heat for my Van?????? Brrrrr
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 6:36 PM

I have MCS and cannot turn my car heater on.  There are those 8 hour heaters
for dog beds that you heat in a microwave.  I use them, and they do stay warm for that long.  Problem is having access to a microwave.   I also had a heating pad with a cigarette lighter plug.  That was given to me,and I don't know where it came from.  Josie

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Hi Diane,
 
Tell me more about the ciggie starter. Could I use that with a dead battery. I think I will buy a DC bed pad from Backwoods Solar. I will look for some mylar blankets I think to try also.
 
I do need something if my battery were to die in the park. Loni

--- On Thu, 9/18/08, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Evie <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Heat for my Van?????? Brrrrr
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, September 18, 2008, 3:28 PM






Hi, Loni,
 
The car seat keeps warm only about 20-40 mins after the car is turned off.  The space blankets (2), one under and one over you, with a heavy quilt or down blanket over that would keep you warm tho, especially if you would begin with the heated seat so that you did not start out cold.  You could add a thin flannel sheet if you don't like the mylar touching you, if these are not otherwise ES troubling.  Add some metalic socks, gloves, agood warm hat and that would go a long way towards keeping you warm.  How cold does it get in the desert, Loni?  We keep down blankets and metalic socks, hats, and gloves in our car all winter because here it can go -25 below zero (one year--tho this was probably a once in a lifetime event--my outside thermometer, and those of all my neighbors, broke at -40!)  If your car breaks down when it is this cold, you are in deep doo-doo.  Wealso have a "car starter"--a small car generator battery you plug into your
ciggie lighter to start a car when it gets very cold and the car battery conks out.  You have to remember to take these in and out of your house with you (and you charge it by plugging into a household outlet), so it doesn't lose its charge.  Comes in handy, tho, when you are caught in subzerotemps and your car refuses to start.  You can run various small appliances off of this, too, but that then runs it down too far to use to start your car.  I have used solar lanterns that you charge in the sun by day +/orbattery candles for light at night when camping.  I have a battery book light to read and write by.  Sleeping bags are also rated for particular temperatures, Loni.  Just some ideas to think about.
 
Hope you are warm enough,
Diane

--- On Thu, 9/18/08, Loni Rosser <loni326@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Loni Rosser <loni326@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Heat for my Van?????? Brrrrr
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, September 18, 2008, 3:25 PM

That's a great idea but how do I keep it going after the van is turned off.

--- On Wed, 9/17/08, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Heat for my Van?????? Brrrrr
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 9:55 PM

Hi, Josie and Loni,
 
I also have the ciggie lighter heated car seat.  I got mine at QVC.com.  I think JCPenney's might also sell these.   They usually only sell them around Christmas time, tho.
 
Diane

--- On Tue, 9/16/08, PickPinkFlowers <haggisisscotsfood@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: PickPinkFlowers <haggisisscotsfood@ yahoo.com>
Subject: [eSens] Re: Heat for my Van?????? Brrrrr
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 6:36 PM

I have MCS and cannot turn my car heater on.  There are those 8 hour heaters
for dog beds that you heat in a microwave.  I use them, and they do stay warm for that long.  Problem is having access to a microwave.   I also had a heating pad with a cigarette lighter plug.  That was given to me,and I don't know where it came from.  Josie

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