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James

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I have painful, achy, tingling arms, most likely from my corded optical mouse and corded keyboard. The pain seems to intensify when I go to bed. I have a metal bed and a standard mattress and box spring, presumably with metal coils. Do you think the bed is making my symptoms worse? What is the preferred type of bed for an ES person?

I attached a copper wire from the metal bed frame to a metal radiator. This seemed to help a little. Would this be entirely a placebo effect?

Thanks,

James

Marc Martin

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Furniture with metal in them (mattresses, couches, chairs) are known to cause problems with ES. The best solution is to replace them with something that uses no metal. A cheaper solution would involve grounding the metal, but that's less ideal.

There are lots of non-metal mattresses -- foam, latex, air, TempurPedic. However, there are non-ES considerations such a back support (causing back pain), body temperature dispersion (causing you to get too hot), and chemical offgassing (for the chemically sensitive). I had to go through quite a few mattresses to find the best compromise for myself.

Marc

James

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Hi Marc,

What kind of bed did you end up with?

Thanks,

James

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Ironically, after trying some very expensive organic mattresses that I later rejected, I ended up with something that was relatively cheap, and can be bought on Amazon.com. No metal, no problems with back support, overheating, or offgassing.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00I3RFYLW (Brentwood Memory Foam Mattress)

I've had this for a year, and so far it hasn't collapsed to the point where I'd need to buy a replacement (which DID happen for one of the other mattresses I tried previously)

Marc

Tryingtoheal

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James,

We have now 2 latex mattresses. One for us & our teen. This co. sells them for 1/2 the price of most organic latex co's.

They are very nice to work with. The only issue I have with latex is make sure the cover is not tight fitting. Latex needs to

breath to be comfortable. Latex does sleep a little warm in summer though.

This co. had no smells at all to it.

Kathy

On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 4:45 PM, James [via ES] <[hidden email]> wrote:

I have painful, achy, tingling arms, most likely from my corded optical mouse and corded keyboard. The pain seems to intensify when I go to bed. I have a metal bed and a standard mattress and box spring, presumably with metal coils. Do you think the bed is making my symptoms worse? What is the preferred type of bed for an ES person?

I attached a copper wire from the metal bed frame to a metal radiator. This seemed to help a little. Would this be entirely a placebo effect?

Thanks,

James

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Is it made from polyurethane foam? That will cause problems for some with chemical sensitivities.

Kathy

On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 5:18 PM, Marc Martin [via ES] <[hidden email]> wrote:

Ironically, after trying some very expensive organic mattresses that I later rejected, I ended up with something that was relatively cheap, and can be bought on Amazon.com. No metal, no problems with back support, overheating, or offgassing.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00I3RFYLW (Brentwood Memory Foam Mattress)

I've had this for a year, and so far it hasn't collapsed to the point where I'd need to buy a replacement (which DID happen for one of the other mattresses I tried previously)

Marc

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It's "CertiPure" foam... I've had problems with other foam mattresses, but not this one. Other reviewers say the same thing.

Marc

Tryingtoheal

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http://sleeponlatex.com/

Sorry.

On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 10:39 PM, Tryingtoheal [via ES] <[hidden email]> wrote:

James,

We have now 2 latex mattresses. One for us & our teen.   This co. sells them for 1/2 the price of most organic latex co's.

They are very nice to work with.    The only issue I have with latex is make sure the cover is not tight fitting. Latex needs to
breath to be comfortable.    Latex does sleep a little warm in summer though.

This co. had no smells at all to it.

Kathy

On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 4:45 PM, James [via ES] <[hidden email]> wrote:

I have painful, achy, tingling arms, most likely from my corded optical mouse and corded keyboard. The pain seems to intensify when I go to bed. I have a metal bed and a standard mattress and box spring, presumably with metal coils. Do you think the bed is making my symptoms worse? What is the preferred type of bed for an ES person?

I attached a copper wire from the metal bed frame to a metal radiator. This seemed to help a little. Would this be entirely a placebo effect?

Thanks,

James

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Marc Martin

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Also, James, you mentioned that you were using a corded optical mouse?

There have been a lot of people who say that a corded mechanical mouse (the old "ball" mice from the 1990s) are better for people with ES. I've never found an optical mouse that was a benign as the Microsoft Intellimouse mice that I get on eBay.

Marc

Tryingtoheal

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What does CetiPure foam consist of?

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It's "CertiPure" foam... I've had problems with other foam mattresses, but not this one. Other reviewers say the same thing.

Marc

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> What does CetiPure foam consist of?

I don't know... it looks like it's more of a certification rather than a specific material:

http://certipur.us/

Marc

steve

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Marc, what do you place the mattress on? Did you buy a foundation for it and if so, which one?
Thanks

Marc Martin

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No, we sleep low to the ground so the dog can get onto the bed. :-)

So wood slats, sold wood, etc. in a wood bed frame is what we use. We tried a tatami mat as a base, but it smells a bit too much like "grass" to me (but is more breathable than wood, although it's not clear to me that this mattress needs a breathable base)

Marc

Marc Martin

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We've got a super expensive organic bed store near us with all sorts of alternative sleep stuff:

http://soaringheart.com/products/tatami-mats

Marc

steve

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Did you buy the platform bed frame? Trying to find one that won't off gas and isn't made of pine

Steve

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No, we sleep low to the ground so the dog can get onto the bed. :-)

So wood slats, sold wood, etc. in a wood bed frame is what we use. We tried a tatami mat as a base, but it smells a bit too much like "grass" to me (but is more breathable than wood, although it's not clear to me that this mattress needs a breathable base)

Marc

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steve

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Thanks for the link, prices aren't too bad for all natural stuff.

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We've got a super expensive organic bed store near us with all sorts of alternative sleep stuff:

http://soaringheart.com/products/tatami-mats

Marc

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On October 17, "steve [via ES]" <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Did you buy the platform bed frame? Trying to find one that won't off gas and isn't made of pineSteve

I can't remember offhand what frame we got, but it did takes months to offgas, as it was purchased from a regular store.

Marc