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Gigahertz Solutions calibration problem...suggestions?

R. Ticle
Hi everyone who may have experience with the Gigahertz Solutions
series of RF Meters.  

We have an HFW 35C (2.4-6 GHz) HF Analyzer. It's brand new and came
from an authorized dealer. This is the second one of this unit we
have tried. It has a calibration problem (I assume that's what it
is). In the "Fine" range selection, and in the "Peak" setting, it's
display does not read lower than 00.4 uW/m2.

It appears as though it has calibrated itself (or rather, lost it's
calibration), and is using this as it's "zero point", instead of
actually displaying 00.0 uW/m2. Occasionally it goes to 00.3 uW/m2,
but only for a second, then it jumps back up to 00.4.

If I set the audio analysis to "click" (the highest position for the
switch), it makes it's clicking noise, but just sporadically, and the
numbers don't change.

It DOES respond to sources of RF (the numbers on the display go up,
and the audio responds correctly), and then it always goes back to
00.4 when the RF source is turned off.

To make sure it's not the ambient RF (this house seems quite good),
I've tried disconnecting the antenna from the meter, covering the
antenna with foil and RF shielding fabric, even covering the main unit
with foil...and it still shows 00.4 uw/m2, and makes that same,
infrequent "clicking" noise.

In "Average" mode, it behaves exactly the same way as I've described
above, except it's "zero point" seems to be set at 00.1 uW/m2.

This is most puzzling and a bit frustrating, too. The first time we
tried this meter, it was loaned to us, and had been through quite a
lot of use, and it also had a calibration problem, except it seemed
stuck at 1.4 uW/m2, and this zero point would then get stuck at other
zero points when exposed to higher frequencies. So strange!

I would expect a meter that costs this much (I know it's not a fully
"professional" 20, 000 dollar unit, but for us it's a LOT of money) to
at least be calibrated correctly.

Has anyone ever experienced this, and can you offer any solutions on
how to fix this(other than sending it all the way back to Germany)?
Our Canadian supplier is on vacation.

Thanks for any help!

Regards,

R.

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charles-4
All meters do work within their tolerances.

00.4 uW/m2 is not bad.

The clicking audio analysis should be avoided, and has no serious use,
except when you cannot read on the display.

So, you should not bother, and take it for granted.

The point is, that one may measure sources that are between 2.4 and 6 GHz.
For that, the meter should read values much higher than 1 uW/m2.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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----- Original Message -----
From: "rticleone" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 17:47
Subject: [eSens] Gigahertz Solutions calibration problem...suggestions?


> Hi everyone who may have experience with the Gigahertz Solutions
> series of RF Meters.
>
> We have an HFW 35C (2.4-6 GHz) HF Analyzer. It's brand new and came
> from an authorized dealer. This is the second one of this unit we
> have tried. It has a calibration problem (I assume that's what it
> is). In the "Fine" range selection, and in the "Peak" setting, it's
> display does not read lower than 00.4 uW/m2.
>
> It appears as though it has calibrated itself (or rather, lost it's
> calibration), and is using this as it's "zero point", instead of
> actually displaying 00.0 uW/m2. Occasionally it goes to 00.3 uW/m2,
> but only for a second, then it jumps back up to 00.4.
>
> If I set the audio analysis to "click" (the highest position for the
> switch), it makes it's clicking noise, but just sporadically, and the
> numbers don't change.
>
> It DOES respond to sources of RF (the numbers on the display go up,
> and the audio responds correctly), and then it always goes back to
> 00.4 when the RF source is turned off.
>
> To make sure it's not the ambient RF (this house seems quite good),
> I've tried disconnecting the antenna from the meter, covering the
> antenna with foil and RF shielding fabric, even covering the main unit
> with foil...and it still shows 00.4 uw/m2, and makes that same,
> infrequent "clicking" noise.
>
> In "Average" mode, it behaves exactly the same way as I've described
> above, except it's "zero point" seems to be set at 00.1 uW/m2.
>
> This is most puzzling and a bit frustrating, too. The first time we
> tried this meter, it was loaned to us, and had been through quite a
> lot of use, and it also had a calibration problem, except it seemed
> stuck at 1.4 uW/m2, and this zero point would then get stuck at other
> zero points when exposed to higher frequencies. So strange!
>
> I would expect a meter that costs this much (I know it's not a fully
> "professional" 20, 000 dollar unit, but for us it's a LOT of money) to
> at least be calibrated correctly.
>
> Has anyone ever experienced this, and can you offer any solutions on
> how to fix this(other than sending it all the way back to Germany)?
> Our Canadian supplier is on vacation.
>
> Thanks for any help!
>
> Regards,
>
> R.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

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Re: Gigahertz Solutions calibration problem...suggestions?

BiBrun
I agree. Although you can check with the manufacturer if you want,
this kind of behavior is not unusual. The only way a meter could
truly read to 0 is if you cooled it to 0 degrees Kelvin. There's going to
be internal noise in the meter, and while it's possible to subtract this
background, that does not really improve the usability of the meter.
Some meters can be calibrated (I don't think the GS ones?) but
you wouldn't calibrate it at zero anyway, but at some level where it
was reading more accurately.

One meter I have definitely has a lower background reading when it's colder.
Better meters will correct for that.

Bill

On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 10:40 AM, charles <[hidden email]> wrote:

> All meters do work within their tolerances.
>
> 00.4 uW/m2 is not bad.
>
> The clicking audio analysis should be avoided, and has no serious use,
> except when you cannot read on the display.
>
> So, you should not bother, and take it for granted.
>
> The point is, that one may measure sources that are between 2.4 and 6 GHz.
> For that, the meter should read values much higher than 1 uW/m2.
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.milieuziektes.be
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Bitdefender
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "rticleone" <[hidden email] <rticleone%40yahoo.ca>>
> To: <[hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>>
> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 17:47
> Subject: [eSens] Gigahertz Solutions calibration problem...suggestions?
>
> > Hi everyone who may have experience with the Gigahertz Solutions
> > series of RF Meters.
> >
> > We have an HFW 35C (2.4-6 GHz) HF Analyzer. It's brand new and came
> > from an authorized dealer. This is the second one of this unit we
> > have tried. It has a calibration problem (I assume that's what it
> > is). In the "Fine" range selection, and in the "Peak" setting, it's
> > display does not read lower than 00.4 uW/m2.
> >
> > It appears as though it has calibrated itself (or rather, lost it's
> > calibration), and is using this as it's "zero point", instead of
> > actually displaying 00.0 uW/m2. Occasionally it goes to 00.3 uW/m2,
> > but only for a second, then it jumps back up to 00.4.
> >
> > If I set the audio analysis to "click" (the highest position for the
> > switch), it makes it's clicking noise, but just sporadically, and the
> > numbers don't change.
> >
> > It DOES respond to sources of RF (the numbers on the display go up,
> > and the audio responds correctly), and then it always goes back to
> > 00.4 when the RF source is turned off.
> >
> > To make sure it's not the ambient RF (this house seems quite good),
> > I've tried disconnecting the antenna from the meter, covering the
> > antenna with foil and RF shielding fabric, even covering the main unit
> > with foil...and it still shows 00.4 uw/m2, and makes that same,
> > infrequent "clicking" noise.
> >
> > In "Average" mode, it behaves exactly the same way as I've described
> > above, except it's "zero point" seems to be set at 00.1 uW/m2.
> >
> > This is most puzzling and a bit frustrating, too. The first time we
> > tried this meter, it was loaned to us, and had been through quite a
> > lot of use, and it also had a calibration problem, except it seemed
> > stuck at 1.4 uW/m2, and this zero point would then get stuck at other
> > zero points when exposed to higher frequencies. So strange!
> >
> > I would expect a meter that costs this much (I know it's not a fully
> > "professional" 20, 000 dollar unit, but for us it's a LOT of money) to
> > at least be calibrated correctly.
> >
> > Has anyone ever experienced this, and can you offer any solutions on
> > how to fix this(other than sending it all the way back to Germany)?
> > Our Canadian supplier is on vacation.
> >
> > Thanks for any help!
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > R.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>


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R. Ticle
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Hi Charles,

Thanks for the reply. Yeah, I guess you're right. I suppose that
what I'm concerned about is the incorrect calibration changing to
another number without me knowing it, and thus, throwing off an
accurate measurement (as in, still thinking that 0.4 needs to be
subtracted from the measurement, when it would be something else).  

As long as it holds steady, I guess there's not much to worry about.
The other meter I have, the HF 35C, 800 MHz - 2.5 GHz, actually has
it's calibration correct (as in, the zero point is 0.00).

Regards,

R.

--- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:

>
> All meters do work within their tolerances.
>
> 00.4 uW/m2 is not bad.
>
> The clicking audio analysis should be avoided, and has no serious use,
> except when you cannot read on the display.
>
> So, you should not bother, and take it for granted.
>
> The point is, that one may measure sources that are between 2.4 and
6 GHz.

> For that, the meter should read values much higher than 1 uW/m2.
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.milieuziektes.be
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Bitdefender
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "rticleone" <rticleone@...>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 17:47
> Subject: [eSens] Gigahertz Solutions calibration problem...suggestions?
>
>
> > Hi everyone who may have experience with the Gigahertz Solutions
> > series of RF Meters.
> >
> > We have an HFW 35C (2.4-6 GHz) HF Analyzer. It's brand new and came
> > from an authorized dealer. This is the second one of this unit we
> > have tried. It has a calibration problem (I assume that's what it
> > is). In the "Fine" range selection, and in the "Peak" setting, it's
> > display does not read lower than 00.4 uW/m2.
> >
> > It appears as though it has calibrated itself (or rather, lost it's
> > calibration), and is using this as it's "zero point", instead of
> > actually displaying 00.0 uW/m2. Occasionally it goes to 00.3 uW/m2,
> > but only for a second, then it jumps back up to 00.4.
> >
> > If I set the audio analysis to "click" (the highest position for the
> > switch), it makes it's clicking noise, but just sporadically, and the
> > numbers don't change.
> >
> > It DOES respond to sources of RF (the numbers on the display go up,
> > and the audio responds correctly), and then it always goes back to
> > 00.4 when the RF source is turned off.
> >
> > To make sure it's not the ambient RF (this house seems quite good),
> > I've tried disconnecting the antenna from the meter, covering the
> > antenna with foil and RF shielding fabric, even covering the main unit
> > with foil...and it still shows 00.4 uw/m2, and makes that same,
> > infrequent "clicking" noise.
> >
> > In "Average" mode, it behaves exactly the same way as I've described
> > above, except it's "zero point" seems to be set at 00.1 uW/m2.
> >
> > This is most puzzling and a bit frustrating, too. The first time we
> > tried this meter, it was loaned to us, and had been through quite a
> > lot of use, and it also had a calibration problem, except it seemed
> > stuck at 1.4 uW/m2, and this zero point would then get stuck at other
> > zero points when exposed to higher frequencies. So strange!
> >
> > I would expect a meter that costs this much (I know it's not a fully
> > "professional" 20, 000 dollar unit, but for us it's a LOT of money) to
> > at least be calibrated correctly.
> >
> > Has anyone ever experienced this, and can you offer any solutions on
> > how to fix this(other than sending it all the way back to Germany)?
> > Our Canadian supplier is on vacation.
> >
> > Thanks for any help!
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > R.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>