Genetic issue

*
*I found a  doc's site that explains the MTFHR genetic issue the best. *
*
The MTHFR enzyme will run at about 55% to 70% efficiency compared to a
normal MTHFR enzyme.

The reason you want to test for it & correct if you have it.   MTHFR can
make you susceptible to illness because the pathway is the primary source
of glutathione production in the body.  Glutathione is the body's primary
antioxidant and detoxifier.  People with MTHFR anomalies usually have low
glutathione, which makes them more susceptible to stress and less tolerant
to toxins.  As we age MTHFR problems get much worse due to the accumulation
of toxins and the cumulative effect of oxidative stress, which ages our
bodies.

He lists he does do computer visits.


*http://www.nwhealthcare.net/index.php?id=64*


Kathy


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Kathy, thank you so much for this!  It is helping me immeasurably.  
The chart on MTHFR related conditions (down the page on the site)  
brings great clarity to a complex issue.  Just a note:  he say that  
the homozygous mutation runs at 7-10% efficiency.  After 23 years of  
CFS, MCS, and now ES, this not only explains a lot, but puts it in a  
context that makes sense for the reasons why I've been so ill, as well  
as how to address it.

Esther




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Good article Kathy,

 
I was curious on the two presciption meds that website recommended
for MTHFR.

Here are the two drugs and their ingredients. (hint: loaded with
Petro Chemicals)

At the bottom, you can see the ingredients for the B-Complex I
like. While not perfect-  a whole lot
less of petro chemicals in this product. Under that one, is Mercola's Vitamin B-12 spray, which contains the Methylcobalamin form, without all the toxic ingredients in the Metanx. I have been taking both the wellness vitamin B complex and mercola's B -12 for a few years, and have mentioned them in my earlier posts.  Blessings, 'Lizzie

Metanx - Ingredients:
L-methylfolate Calcium 3 mg, Pyridoxal 5’-phosphate 35 mg, Methylcobalamin 2
mg.

the below ingredients are mostly, petro chemicals, and toxic. Dibasic Calcium Phosphate Dihydrate, Microcrystalline Cellulose
90, Microcrystalline Cellulose HD 90, Pyridoxal-5′-Phosphate, Opadry II Purple
40L10045 (Polydextrose, Titanium Dioxide, Hypromellose 3cP, Hypromellose 6cP,
Glycerol Triacetate, Hypromellose 50cP, FD&C Blue #2, FD&C Red #40,
Polyglycol 800), Microcrystalline Cellulose 50, Opadry II Clear Y-19-7483
(Hypromellose 6cP, Maltodextrin, Hypromellose 3cP, Polyglycol 400, Hypromellose
50cP), L-methylfolate Calcium, Magnesium Stearate, Methylcobalamin, and
Carnauba Wax.

Here is another option, although I'm happy with the two I mention, above.  Life Extension Optimized Folate
(l-methylfolate), 1000 Mcg, Vegetarian Capsules, 100-Count by Life
Extension

$30.49 $21.00

 

Deplin- Ingredients - Again, toxic ingredients.


 
 
  Deplin
  7.5 mg
 
 
  L-methylfolate Calcium (as Metafolin) 7.5 mg
 
 
 
 
 
  Dibasic Calcium Phosphate Dihydrate, Silicified
  Microcrystalline Cellulose 90, Silicified Microcrystalline Cellulose HD 90,
  Opadry II Blue 85F90748 (Polyvinyl Alcohol, Titanium Dioxide [color], PEG
  3350, Talc and FD&C Blue #2[color]),L-methylfolate Calcium, Magnesium
  Stearate (Vegetable Source), and Carnauba Wax
 
 


 

Super Coenzyme B-Comples, from www.wellnessresources.com

Ingredients - Supplement Facts

Serving Size: 2 capsules


 
 
  Amount Per Serving
 
 
  % Daily Value
 
 
 
 
  Vitamin B-1 (thiamin diphosphate)
 
 
  10 mg
 
 
  667
 
 
 
 
  Vitamin B-2 (riboflavin 5'-phosphate)
 
 
  10 mg
 
 
  588
 
 
 
 
  Vitamin B-3 (inositol hexanicotinate)
 
 
  100 mg
 
 
  500
 
 
 
 
  Vitamin B-5 (pantethine)
 
 
  50 mg
 
 
  500
 
 
 
 
  Vitamin B-6 (pyridoxal 5'-phosphate)
 
 
  50 mg
 
 
  2500
 
 
 
 
  Vitamin B-12 (methylcobalamin)
 
 
  200 mcg
 
 
  3333
 
 
 
 
  Folic Acid (folate from calcium folinate)
 
 
  400 mcg
 
 
  100
 
 
 
 
  Biotin (pure crystalline)
 
 
  400 mcg
 
 
  133
 
 
 
 
  Trimethylglycine (TMG)
 
 
  200 mg
 
 
  *
 
 
 
 
  L-Serine
 
 
  100 mg
 
 
  *
 
 
 
 
  Choline (bitartrate)
 
 
  50 mg
 
 
  *
 
 
 
 
  Inositol (pure crystalline and inositol hexanicotinate)
 
 
  50 mg
 
 
  *
 
 


*
Daily Value not established.

Other
Ingredients: magnesium stearate, silica, and cellulose capsule (Vcap).

This product does NOT
contain milk, egg, fish, gluten, corn, peanuts, crustacean shellfish, soybeans,
tree nuts, wheat, yeast, or rice. This product does NOT contain hidden fillers,
preservatives, artificial sweeteners, colors or flavors, or sugar.



Now, check out Mercola’s
vitamin B-12 spray: Which is the Methylcobalamin form of Vitamin B-12.

 methyl B12 is the cobalamin compound of choice
in B-12 Energy Booster* because…

·        
Studies suggest that
methyl B12 may be better utilized and retained in the body.*

·        
Methyl B12 is the active
form of vitamin B12 and evidence indicates it has some applications not shared
by other forms of vitamin B12.*

·        
With other forms of B12,
your body must convert them into a coenzyme form for you to benefit. Not so
with methyl B12… it's already in the active coenzyme form naturally in your
body.* FREE of artificial flavors, color,
synthetics, binders, fillers, wax, shellac, talcum, and animal gelatin

·        
 


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Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 17:12:07 -0600
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      *

*I found a  doc's site that explains the MTFHR genetic issue the best. *

*

The MTHFR enzyme will run at about 55% to 70% efficiency compared to a

normal MTHFR enzyme.



The reason you want to test for it & correct if you have it.   MTHFR can

make you susceptible to illness because the pathway is the primary source

of glutathione production in the body.  Glutathione is the body's primary

antioxidant and detoxifier.  People with MTHFR anomalies usually have low

glutathione, which makes them more susceptible to stress and less tolerant

to toxins.  As we age MTHFR problems get much worse due to the accumulation

of toxins and the cumulative effect of oxidative stress, which ages our

bodies.



He lists he does do computer visits.



*http://www.nwhealthcare.net/index.php?id=64*



Kathy



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Regarding:Vitamin B- complex and Pyridoxal 5’-phosphate  You'll notice this is the form in one of the prescription drugsmentioned in the last post. This is the form the body absorbs best, and Dr. Blaylockdoes specifically mention the "pyridoxal 5-phosphate in his book. (Which is why I looked everywhere to find a B complex,that had this form in it. )  Lizzie  
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      *

*I found a  doc's site that explains the MTFHR genetic issue the best. *

*

The MTHFR enzyme will run at about 55% to 70% efficiency compared to a

normal MTHFR enzyme.



The reason you want to test for it & correct if you have it.   MTHFR can

make you susceptible to illness because the pathway is the primary source

of glutathione production in the body.  Glutathione is the body's primary

antioxidant and detoxifier.  People with MTHFR anomalies usually have low

glutathione, which makes them more susceptible to stress and less tolerant

to toxins.  As we age MTHFR problems get much worse due to the accumulation

of toxins and the cumulative effect of oxidative stress, which ages our

bodies.



He lists he does do computer visits.



*http://www.nwhealthcare.net/index.php?id=64*



Kathy



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Elizabeth,


Yes thank you, we always have to check supplement quality.

I take this one for now.

 Kathy

 http://www.thorne.com/Products/Aging/Cognitive_Support/prd~SF789.jsp

Methyl-Guard Plus from Thorne

 contains higher amounts of 5-MTHF (the active form of folate), pyridoxal
5'-phosphate (active B6), and methylcobalamin (active B12), than our
original Methyl-Guard. We have also added riboflavin 5'-phosphate (the
active form of vitamin B2) for its positive effect on homocysteine
metabolism and methylation.
*Three Capsules Contain:*
*Riboflavin (as Riboflavin 5'-Phosphate Sodium) *90 mg
*Vitamin B6 (as Pyridoxal 5'-Phosphate)* 45 mg
*Folate (as L-5-Methyltetrahydrofolate from L-5-Methyltetrahydrofolic Acid,
Glucosamine Salt)* 3 mg
*Vitamin B12 (as Methylcobalamin)* 3 mg
*Betaine Anhydrous* *(Trimethylglycine) *1,800 mg
*Other Ingredients:* Hypromellose (derived from cellulose) capsule, Calcium
Citrate, Calcium Laurate.


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Elizabeth,


The main issue is to find out if you have the MTFHR snip.  You can have 1
or 2, meaning 1 from each parent, or 1 parent has 2 snips.

 I'm grateful I only have 1 of the lesser damaging snips from 1 parent. But
I would not have known if I had not gotten the test that I cannot process
regular b vitamins and many medicines.  I consider medicines toxic due to
their chemical makeup w additives, but this test proves I can't process
many. It also predisposed for MCS.

 I have no idea if it would bother your health to take the methylated form
if they don't need it.

Kathy


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Esther,

You're very welcome. I think you should get tested if possible,  to know
for sure.

Yes,  Chronic Fatigue runs high w this.  Yes, they have a way to treat it
to bypass the genetic issue. Wonderful to be this advanced for all who have
it.

Kathy



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that looks good!Have you been taking it long enoughto see a difference?
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From: [hidden email]
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 09:39:23 -0600
Subject: Re: [eSens] Genetic issue
















 



 


   
     
     
      Elizabeth,



Yes thank you, we always have to check supplement quality.



I take this one for now.



Kathy



http://www.thorne.com/Products/Aging/Cognitive_Support/prd~SF789.jsp



Methyl-Guard Plus from Thorne



contains higher amounts of 5-MTHF (the active form of folate), pyridoxal

5'-phosphate (active B6), and methylcobalamin (active B12), than our

original Methyl-Guard. We have also added riboflavin 5'-phosphate (the

active form of vitamin B2) for its positive effect on homocysteine

metabolism and methylation.

*Three Capsules Contain:*

*Riboflavin (as Riboflavin 5'-Phosphate Sodium) *90 mg

*Vitamin B6 (as Pyridoxal 5'-Phosphate)* 45 mg

*Folate (as L-5-Methyltetrahydrofolate from L-5-Methyltetrahydrofolic Acid,

Glucosamine Salt)* 3 mg

*Vitamin B12 (as Methylcobalamin)* 3 mg

*Betaine Anhydrous* *(Trimethylglycine) *1,800 mg

*Other Ingredients:* Hypromellose (derived from cellulose) capsule, Calcium

Citrate, Calcium Laurate.



On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 8:16 AM, Elizabeth thode [hidden email]>wrote:



> **

>

>

>

>

> Good article Kathy,

>

> I was curious on the two presciption meds that website recommended

> for MTHFR.

>

> Here are the two drugs and their ingredients. (hint: loaded with

> Petro Chemicals)

>

> At the bottom, you can see the ingredients for the B-Complex I

> like. While not perfect- a whole lot

> less of petro chemicals in this product. Under that one, is Mercola's

> Vitamin B-12 spray, which contains the Methylcobalamin form, without all

> the toxic ingredients in the Metanx. I have been taking both the wellness

> vitamin B complex and mercola's B -12 for a few years, and have mentioned

> them in my earlier posts. Blessings, 'Lizzie

>

> Metanx - Ingredients:

> L-methylfolate Calcium 3 mg, Pyridoxal 5’-phosphate 35 mg, Methylcobalamin

> 2

> mg.

>

> the below ingredients are mostly, petro chemicals, and toxic. Dibasic

> Calcium Phosphate Dihydrate, Microcrystalline Cellulose

> 90, Microcrystalline Cellulose HD 90, Pyridoxal-5′-Phosphate, Opadry II

> Purple

> 40L10045 (Polydextrose, Titanium Dioxide, Hypromellose 3cP, Hypromellose

> 6cP,

> Glycerol Triacetate, Hypromellose 50cP, FD&C Blue #2, FD&C Red #40,

> Polyglycol 800), Microcrystalline Cellulose 50, Opadry II Clear Y-19-7483

> (Hypromellose 6cP, Maltodextrin, Hypromellose 3cP, Polyglycol 400,

> Hypromellose

> 50cP), L-methylfolate Calcium, Magnesium Stearate, Methylcobalamin, and

> Carnauba Wax.

>

> Here is another option, although I'm happy with the two I mention, above.

> Life Extension Optimized Folate

> (l-methylfolate), 1000 Mcg, Vegetarian Capsules, 100-Count by Life

> Extension

>

> $30.49 $21.00

>

> Deplin- Ingredients - Again, toxic ingredients.

>

> Deplin

> 7.5 mg

>

>

> L-methylfolate Calcium (as Metafolin) 7.5 mg

>

>

>

>

>

> Dibasic Calcium Phosphate Dihydrate, Silicified

> Microcrystalline Cellulose 90, Silicified Microcrystalline Cellulose HD 90,

> Opadry II Blue 85F90748 (Polyvinyl Alcohol, Titanium Dioxide [color], PEG

> 3350, Talc and FD&C Blue #2[color]),L-methylfolate Calcium, Magnesium

> Stearate (Vegetable Source), and Carnauba Wax

>

>

>

> Super Coenzyme B-Comples, from www.wellnessresources.com

>

> Ingredients - Supplement Facts

>

> Serving Size: 2 capsules

>

> Amount Per Serving

>

>

> % Daily Value

>

>

>

>

> Vitamin B-1 (thiamin diphosphate)

>

>

> 10 mg

>

>

> 667

>

>

>

>

> Vitamin B-2 (riboflavin 5'-phosphate)

>

>

> 10 mg

>

>

> 588

>

>

>

>

> Vitamin B-3 (inositol hexanicotinate)

>

>

> 100 mg

>

>

> 500

>

>

>

>

> Vitamin B-5 (pantethine)

>

>

> 50 mg

>

>

> 500

>

>

>

>

> Vitamin B-6 (pyridoxal 5'-phosphate)

>

>

> 50 mg

>

>

> 2500

>

>

>

>

> Vitamin B-12 (methylcobalamin)

>

>

> 200 mcg

>

>

> 3333

>

>

>

>

> Folic Acid (folate from calcium folinate)

>

>

> 400 mcg

>

>

> 100

>

>

>

>

> Biotin (pure crystalline)

>

>

> 400 mcg

>

>

> 133

>

>

>

>

> Trimethylglycine (TMG)

>

>

> 200 mg

>

>

> *

>

>

>

>

> L-Serine

>

>

> 100 mg

>

>

> *

>

>

>

>

> Choline (bitartrate)

>

>

> 50 mg

>

>

> *

>

>

>

>

> Inositol (pure crystalline and inositol hexanicotinate)

>

>

> 50 mg

>

>

> *

>

>

>

> *

> Daily Value not established.

>

> Other

> Ingredients: magnesium stearate, silica, and cellulose capsule (Vcap).

>

> This product does NOT

> contain milk, egg, fish, gluten, corn, peanuts, crustacean shellfish,

> soybeans,

> tree nuts, wheat, yeast, or rice. This product does NOT contain hidden

> fillers,

> preservatives, artificial sweeteners, colors or flavors, or sugar.

>

> Now, check out Mercola’s

> vitamin B-12 spray: Which is the Methylcobalamin form of Vitamin B-12.

>

> methyl B12 is the cobalamin compound of choice

> in B-12 Energy Booster* because…

>

> ·

> Studies suggest that

> methyl B12 may be better utilized and retained in the body.*

>

> ·

> Methyl B12 is the active

> form of vitamin B12 and evidence indicates it has some applications not

> shared

> by other forms of vitamin B12.*

>

> ·

> With other forms of B12,

> your body must convert them into a coenzyme form for you to benefit. Not so

> with methyl B12… it's already in the active coenzyme form naturally in your

> body.* FREE of artificial flavors, color,

> synthetics, binders, fillers, wax, shellac, talcum, and animal gelatin

>

> ·

>

>

>

> To: [hidden email]

> From: [hidden email]

> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 17:12:07 -0600

> Subject: [eSens] Genetic issue

>

>

> *

>

> *I found a doc's site that explains the MTFHR genetic issue the best. *

>

> *

>

> The MTHFR enzyme will run at about 55% to 70% efficiency compared to a

>

> normal MTHFR enzyme.

>

>

>

> The reason you want to test for it & correct if you have it. MTHFR can

>

> make you susceptible to illness because the pathway is the primary source

>

> of glutathione production in the body. Glutathione is the body's primary

>

> antioxidant and detoxifier. People with MTHFR anomalies usually have low

>

> glutathione, which makes them more susceptible to stress and less tolerant

>

> to toxins. As we age MTHFR problems get much worse due to the accumulation

>

> of toxins and the cumulative effect of oxidative stress, which ages our

>

> bodies.

>

>

>

> He lists he does do computer visits.

>

>

>

> *http://www.nwhealthcare.net/index.php?id=64*

>

>

>

> Kathy

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

>  

>



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And I respect your opinion.

 

But I've always had a hinky
feeling about all these

info, blaming genetics.

 

Especially because we already

know that wireless radiation damages
chromosomes.

 

How can anyone say with any real
certainty, that MTFHR

“was” or was “not” present at
birth- if this test was not done at birth-

when we DO have proof, that
radiation is destructive to both

the human genome and the chemical
switches?

 

And if we already know that
anywhere from 50 to 75% of the population

being tested, is showing this
genetic trait, AND the human body requires both the B-12 and the B complex
vitamins, economically speaking, why not just give the body the tools/nutrients
it needs, to do ITS job?

 

And as for the “methylcobalamin “
form of B-12, this is the one the body recognizes and uses anyway? There’s no
big mystery there. Blaylock writes about this, and so does mercola. Same thing
with Blaylock writing about the form of B 6. Pyridoxal 5-Phosphate and
the B-12 methylcobalamin form.

And the adrenals need B-5.

 

So hurray for another test, that
costs a lot of money, to tell people something that just about everyone
probably has- whose has had exposure to both mercury and wireless radiation?

So that this test can also tell
them they need the above forms of vitamins, that are already known to be
necessary?

 

(To my way of thinking, disease
and unhealthy are caused from primarily two things: Nutritional deficiencies
and Toxic Over load. )

 

Let’s just look at this for a
moment:

 

Genes are made of “DNA”.

 

DNA
is stored in chromosomes.

 

RF radiation
can cause tissue damage with a single exposure.

 

Microwave
radiation used for wireless communications and surveillance is extremely
injurious to human DNA. It is therefore also destructive to both the human genome and the epigenetic chemical
switches

which control expression of the
genes. ( proliberty.com/observer/20081120.htm

 See the REFLEX" studies, published
in 2004 by the European Commission. )

Blessings,


Lizzie


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      Elizabeth,



The main issue is to find out if you have the MTFHR snip.  You can have 1

or 2, meaning 1 from each parent, or 1 parent has 2 snips.



I'm grateful I only have 1 of the lesser damaging snips from 1 parent. But

I would not have known if I had not gotten the test that I cannot process

regular b vitamins and many medicines.  I consider medicines toxic due to

their chemical makeup w additives, but this test proves I can't process

many. It also predisposed for MCS.



I have no idea if it would bother your health to take the methylated form

if they don't need it.



Kathy



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Very, very interesting.
Thanks for the information, Stefanie


--- Kathy Baumann <[hidden email]> schrieb am Mi, 13.2.2013:


Von: Kathy Baumann <[hidden email]>
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An: [hidden email]
Datum: Mittwoch, 13. Februar, 2013 16:47 Uhr



 



Elizabeth,

The main issue is to find out if you have the MTFHR snip. You can have 1
or 2, meaning 1 from each parent, or 1 parent has 2 snips.

I'm grateful I only have 1 of the lesser damaging snips from 1 parent. But
I would not have known if I had not gotten the test that I cannot process
regular b vitamins and many medicines. I consider medicines toxic due to
their chemical makeup w additives, but this test proves I can't process
many. It also predisposed for MCS.

I have no idea if it would bother your health to take the methylated form
if they don't need it.

Kathy

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