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Marc Martin

Mar 31, 2004; 2:58pm

Fwd> Re: Welcome to eSens

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Hi all,

Here is a message from a new member, which I think was meant to be sent to
the list, not the list moderator (make sure to address your emails to
"eSens@yahoogroups.com" to send to the list members):

-----
Subject: Re: Welcome to eSens

I don't think I am that sensitive to EMF, but I might
be somewhat.
What I wanted to learn is how a person can get rid of
harmful effects of the EMF and restore his or her
balance. I realize that if person spends 5 years on
the cell phone for 30 minutes each day, there might be
some biological and physiological changes in the body.
I was really interested in what a person could do to
clean his or her body from the harm the EMF has left.
I read some info on walking bear feet, but was not
sure whether it is just treating symptoms or the
underlying cause.
I hope you understand what I am trying to learn.
Thank you very much.
-----

Marc Martin

Mar 31, 2004; 3:13pm

Re: Fwd> Re: Welcome to eSens

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>>What I wanted to learn is how a person can get rid of
>harmful effects of the EMF and restore his or her
>balance.

One thing to try is eat sea vegetables (Wakame, Kombu,
Hijiki, etc.). After the atomic bombs were dropped in
Japan, the people who survived the radiation were the
ones who were eating Miso soup with seaweed in it.
After the Chernobyl incident, a concentrated seaweed
product (now sold as "Modifilan") was given to the
people to eliminate the radiation from their bodies.

I have made it a point to consume each day SOMETHING
that has sea vegetables in it for the past few years.
You can find them in some supplements, or simply add
some sea vegetables to the foods you are cooking.
You can find them in the grocery store, in the Asian
food section, sold dehydrated in bags. Placing them
in water rehydrates them back to the way they were
in the ocean.

I've also noticed that eating these sorts of foods
temporarily helps reduce the symptoms of EMF exposure
from computers, etc.

Marc

johndoe

Mar 31, 2004; 4:28pm

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Marc Martin

Mar 31, 2004; 5:33pm

Re: Radiation / EMF Detox

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> Thank you. I did read about sea vegetables. I am
> actually from Ukraine and lived there when Chernobyl
> hap pended. Mi city was about 500 miles South / East,

Interesting. In my case, I was struggling with moderate
ES symptoms, but it was after a 2 week trip to Dnepropretosvk
Ukraine that caused my symptoms to become so bad that I had
to go on medical disability from work. I have often wondered
whether my ES problems were simply a case of chronic radiation
poisoning from overexposure to EMF sources combined with a
deficiency of iodine in my diet.

> Don't EMF leave a
> different damage then radiation? If yes, would there
> have to be different things (not the ones to remove
> radiation) to "fix" it?

Certainly I've seen websites which claim that EMF damages
the DNA in a certain way, but I don't know if this is
any different from "standard" radiation sources.

Also, many methods of detoxification seem to work for
a variety of things -- that is, they could help with
chemicals, heavy metals, radiation, etc. I think
sea vegetables is one of the "general-purpose" methods.
Probably also using a steam room/sauna is also a
general method. Also, eating foods or taking
supplements which are high in a variety of antioxidants
or vitamins should also help remove toxins. Or
removing toxic metal dental work will help lessen
your body's toxic load, so the body can start
detoxifying other areas.

Also for me, some other things have provoked good
detoxification -- a supplement called "Cellfood",
which was supposedly developed in the 1950's by
one of the people who developed the hydrogen bomb,
which he used to detoxify himself from radiation
after being exposed to too many bomb tests. I've
taken this for 3 years, and it's always been helful
for me.

Also, some EMF protection devices have provoked
detoxification symptoms. I'm currently using
"Springlife Polarizers" in my pockets and in
my environment, and these provoke large
detoxification symptoms when used in excess.

Marc

johndoe

Mar 31, 2004; 8:36pm

Re: Radiation / EMF Detox

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Marc Martin

Mar 31, 2004; 11:04pm

Re: Radiation / EMF Detox

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> Thanks. There is so much info to absorb.
> I am actually from the Dnepropetrovsk region, city
> called Krivoy Rog. Have you been there?

No, we stayed in a hotel downtown Dnepropetrovsk
(the Grand Hotel Ukraine), and also spent time at
the rocket/space company SDO Yuzhnoye. Unfortunately,
I became terribly ill on that trip, which I only
later realized was due to my EMF exposure -- much
of which was the laptop computer I brought with
me, which I became very sensitized to.

There *is* a lot to absorb on this subject, and a
lot of it is disputed -- I've been studying
this since 2001, although these days I feel like
I've found all the answers I need for myself.
However, there are a lot of others still in need of
answers for themselves, which is why we've got
this discussion group.

Detoxification is a big subject, but I think one
can detoxify themselves in numerous ways. So
really you need to find a way which is a workable
solution for your own specific situation.

Marc

Benson, Sarah (Sen L. Allison)

Apr 01, 2004; 3:57am

Re: Radiation / EMF Detox

This post was updated on Nov 14, 2014; 5:28pm.

In reply to this post by Marc Martin

Marc, we have discussed methods of healing and detox extensively - would
it be worth sending these postings separately? I still
have them filed...

Sarah

-----Original Message-----
From: Marc Martin [mailto:marc@ufoseries.com]
Sent: Thursday, 1 April 2004 9:04 AM
To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Radiation / EMF Detox

> Thanks. There is so much info to absorb.
> I am actually from the Dnepropetrovsk region, city
> called Krivoy Rog. Have you been there?

No, we stayed in a hotel downtown Dnepropetrovsk
(the Grand Hotel Ukraine), and also spent time at
the rocket/space company SDO Yuzhnoye. Unfortunately,
I became terribly ill on that trip, which I only
later realized was due to my EMF exposure -- much
of which was the laptop computer I brought with
me, which I became very sensitized to.

There *is* a lot to absorb on this subject, and a
lot of it is disputed -- I've been studying
this since 2001, although these days I feel like
I've found all the answers I need for myself.
However, there are a lot of others still in need of
answers for themselves, which is why we've got
this discussion group.

Detoxification is a big subject, but I think one
can detoxify themselves in numerous ways. So
really you need to find a way which is a workable
solution for your own specific situation.

Marc

Yahoo! Groups Links

Marc Martin

Apr 01, 2004; 4:53am

RE: Radiation / EMF Detox

Administrator

This post was updated on Nov 14, 2014; 5:28pm.

>Marc, we have discussed methods of healing and detox extensively - would
>it be worth sending these postings separately? I still
>have them filed...

Yes, if he asks for them, please do!

Alternately, anyone can search through our message archives at:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens

Or, if someone wants to browse through the ENTIRE discussion,
I just zipped up an archive file of all the messages so far,
which can be downloaded from here:

http://ufoseries.com/eSens.zip

Marc

johndoe

Apr 03, 2004; 8:03pm

Re: Radiation / EMF Detox

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kali_yuga_prophet

Apr 03, 2004; 11:58pm

Re: Radiation / EMF Detox

I would say that staying fit -- proper diet and lifestyle and sleep -- would enable the
body to do a better job of combatting ALL forms of stress, EMF and otherwise.

If EMF exposure is causing depletion of certain minerals, or causing excessive
oxidation of body tissues, then appropriate supplements are called for.

Benson, Sarah (Sen L. Allison)

Apr 04, 2004; 6:36am

Re: Radiation / EMF Detox

In reply to this post by Marc Martin

Yes. The thing is, electromagnetic radiation (from powerlines and
devices) and radiofrequency radiation (from antennas, mobile phones,
computers, TV etc) interfere with the working of the body's own natural
energy field (measurable) or 'vital body', so the idea is to strengthen
our own vitality; this then pushes the unnatural energies out and heals
the body.

Sarah

-----Original Message-----
From: derekbishop_hawaii [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Sunday, 4 April 2004 9:58 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [eSens] Re: Radiation / EMF Detox

I would say that staying fit -- proper diet and lifestyle and sleep --
would enable the
body to do a better job of combatting ALL forms of stress, EMF and
otherwise.

If EMF exposure is causing depletion of certain minerals, or causing
excessive
oxidation of body tissues, then appropriate supplements are called for.

Yahoo! Groups Links

Marc Martin

Apr 05, 2004; 2:10am

Re: Radiation / EMF Detox

Administrator

In reply to this post by Marc Martin

>The issue I am trying to understand: Is EMF also a
>radiation?

EMF is also called "EMR", which stands for
Electromagnetic Radiation. So yes, EMF is also
radiation. However, with all the various frequencies
that we are surrounded with (e.g. Microwave oven,
TV sets, computer), and the different components
(electric field, magnetic field), it can probably
cause a variety of damage.

>Also if appropriate, please share how your trip to
>Dnepropetrovsk affected you and what specifically it
>caused.

I was already ES at that point, but I didn't realize
what was the cause of my problems. So when I went
on this trip, I used a laptop computer all day,
and of course I had exposure to EMF at the airports
and on the airplanes, which all made me very miserable.
But at the time, I could not understand what was
causing my problems. It was 2 months later when
I finally figured it out. And it took another
6 months to learn that this was a syndrome that
had a name associated with it. At that point,
I was told that there was nothing that could be
done to improve my situation, but I did my own
research and my own experimentation, and proved
that opinion wrong.

>Would exercises and running repair some damage?

I think exercise and running could help, because
it increases your blood circulation and the flow in
your lymphatic system, and also increases your
intake of oxygen.

Marc

Marc Martin

Apr 05, 2004; 2:10am

Re: Radiation / EMF Detox

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In reply to this post by Marc Martin

>so the idea is to strengthen our own vitality; this then pushes the
>unnatural energies out and heals the body.

And I think this strategy probably works for *all* toxins...

Marc

Anders Eriksson

Apr 05, 2004; 9:43am

Re: Radiation / EMF Detox

In reply to this post by Marc Martin

Hi Marc and all,

if you have problems regarding mercury and amalgam, you should avoid
running and other exercise that make you very exhausted.

I guess the reason is that when you exercise you burn fat that contains
mercury. When the mercury is free again, your body have to deal with it
again, and you get worse!

greetings

Anders Eriksson

Marc Martin wrote:

>>The issue I am trying to understand: Is EMF also a
>>radiation?
>
>
> EMF is also called "EMR", which stands for
> Electromagnetic Radiation. So yes, EMF is also
> radiation. However, with all the various frequencies
> that we are surrounded with (e.g. Microwave oven,
> TV sets, computer), and the different components
> (electric field, magnetic field), it can probably
> cause a variety of damage.
>
>
>>Also if appropriate, please share how your trip to
>>Dnepropetrovsk affected you and what specifically it
>>caused.
>
>
> I was already ES at that point, but I didn't realize
> what was the cause of my problems. So when I went
> on this trip, I used a laptop computer all day,
> and of course I had exposure to EMF at the airports
> and on the airplanes, which all made me very miserable.
> But at the time, I could not understand what was
> causing my problems. It was 2 months later when
> I finally figured it out. And it took another
> 6 months to learn that this was a syndrome that
> had a name associated with it. At that point,
> I was told that there was nothing that could be
> done to improve my situation, but I did my own
> research and my own experimentation, and proved
> that opinion wrong.
>
>
>>Would exercises and running repair some damage?
>
>
> I think exercise and running could help, because
> it increases your blood circulation and the flow in
> your lymphatic system, and also increases your
> intake of oxygen.
>
> Marc
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Marc Martin

Apr 05, 2004; 2:15pm

Re: Radiation / EMF Detox

Administrator

>if you have problems regarding mercury and amalgam, you should avoid
>running and other exercise that make you very exhausted.

"Avoid" may be the wrong word -- instead, you should do it to your
level of tolerance, and eventually work your way up.

When I was very weak and chronically fatigued, I started a routine
of walking outdoors at a local park. In the beginning, I could only
walk about 100 yards before I was too tired to continue. But I kept
returning every few days, until I could walk the full 3 miles of the
trail without problems.

I also had the same type of problem with being in the sunshine --
it gave me sharp pains in my head. But by being in the sun a little
each day, I eventually got rid of that problem, and now have the
same tolerance for the sun as most people do.

I think people make a mistake when they "avoid" doing things which
are good for them. Instead of avoiding, they should simply do as
much as they can without adverse symptoms, and then make it a goal
to be able to do more in the future.

Marc

Benson, Sarah (Sen L. Allison)

Apr 06, 2004; 6:56am

Re: Radiation / EMF Detox

In reply to this post by Marc Martin

I have today been speaking to Arthur Firstenberg in the US (by phone).
He is one of the first people in the world to draw attention to the
issue of electrosensitivity, and has written a book about the health
effects and the research into this area. He also for a while put out a
newsletter called 'No Place To Hide'.

He has always been concerned about the existence of increasing numbers
of satellites and their ability to affect our health. He told me that
in the past few weeks Iridium have added extra services to their
satellites, and that he has noticed the difference. He said he has
spoken to others who have also noticed it - and asked me whether I had
noticed anything - and I realised that I have, in fact felt that there
was extra radiation in the past few weeks and I wondered where it was
coming from...perhapos the flat next door.

Anyone else noticed anything different? Click on the link to 'Breaking
News'.

Sarah

http://iridium.com/

-----Original Message-----
From: Marc Martin [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Tuesday, 6 April 2004 12:15 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Radiation / EMF Detox

>if you have problems regarding mercury and amalgam, you should avoid
>running and other exercise that make you very exhausted.

"Avoid" may be the wrong word -- instead, you should do it to your level
of tolerance, and eventually work your way up.

When I was very weak and chronically fatigued, I started a routine of
walking outdoors at a local park. In the beginning, I could only walk
about 100 yards before I was too tired to continue. But I kept
returning every few days, until I could walk the full 3 miles of the
trail without problems.

I also had the same type of problem with being in the sunshine -- it
gave me sharp pains in my head. But by being in the sun a little each
day, I eventually got rid of that problem, and now have the same
tolerance for the sun as most people do.

I think people make a mistake when they "avoid" doing things which are
good for them. Instead of avoiding, they should simply do as much as
they can without adverse symptoms, and then make it a goal to be able to
do more in the future.

Marc

Yahoo! Groups Links

johndoe

Apr 06, 2004; 4:31pm

Re: Radiation / EMF Detox

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charles-2

Apr 06, 2004; 4:37pm

Re: Radiation / EMF Detox

This post was updated on Nov 14, 2014; 5:29pm.

Normally, a satellite dish is only a receptor, not a transmittor.
So it does not produce EMF or RF.

On the other hand it can function as a secundair antenna, and the received
RF radiation from phone masts may be reflected, as it does with all great
metallic surfaces.
And in less quatities from stone and glass.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
http://members.rott.chello.nl/cclaessens/
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Emil at Less EMF Inc

Apr 06, 2004; 7:03pm

Re: Radiation / EMF Detox

In reply to this post by johndoe

Many of our customer have reported emissions from TV satellite dishes.
While it is true that they are designed to be receivers, not transmitters,
the circuitry associated with them emits a variety of signals simply as a
by product of their normal function.

Emil
[hidden email]

At 09:31 AM 4/6/2004, you wrote:

>Does anybody know if satellite TV dish (like dish
>network) that is ones balcony produces EMF or RF or
>anything harmful. If yes, how harmful is that?
>Thanks
>
>--- "Benson, Sarah (Sen L. Allison)"
><[hidden email]> wrote:
> > I have today been speaking to Arthur Firstenberg in
> > the US (by phone).
> > He is one of the first people in the world to draw
> > attention to the
> > issue of electrosensitivity, and has written a book
> > about the health
> > effects and the research into this area. He also
> > for a while put out a
> > newsletter called 'No Place To Hide'.
> >
> > He has always been concerned about the existence of
> > increasing numbers
> > of satellites and their ability to affect our
> > health. He told me that
> > in the past few weeks Iridium have added extra
> > services to their
> > satellites, and that he has noticed the difference.
> > He said he has
> > spoken to others who have also noticed it - and
> > asked me whether I had
> > noticed anything - and I realised that I have, in
> > fact felt that there
> > was extra radiation in the past few weeks and I
> > wondered where it was
> > coming from...perhapos the flat next door.
> >
> > Anyone else noticed anything different? Click on the
> > link to 'Breaking
> > News'.
> >
> > Sarah
> >
> > http://iridium.com/
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Marc Martin [mailto:[hidden email]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, 6 April 2004 12:15 AM
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Radiation / EMF Detox
> >
> >
> > >if you have problems regarding mercury and amalgam,
> > you should avoid
> > >running and other exercise that make you very
> > exhausted.
> >
> > "Avoid" may be the wrong word -- instead, you should
> > do it to your level
> > of tolerance, and eventually work your way up.
> >
> > When I was very weak and chronically fatigued, I
> > started a routine of
> > walking outdoors at a local park. In the beginning,
> > I could only walk
> > about 100 yards before I was too tired to continue.
> > But I kept
> > returning every few days, until I could walk the
> > full 3 miles of the
> > trail without problems.
> >
> > I also had the same type of problem with being in
> > the sunshine -- it
> > gave me sharp pains in my head. But by being in the
> > sun a little each
> > day, I eventually got rid of that problem, and now
> > have the same
> > tolerance for the sun as most people do.
> >
> > I think people make a mistake when they "avoid"
> > doing things which are
> > good for them. Instead of avoiding, they should
> > simply do as much as
> > they can without adverse symptoms, and then make it
> > a goal to be able to
> > do more in the future.
> >
> > Marc
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Lachlan Mudge

Apr 07, 2004; 4:13am

Re: Radiation / EMF Detox

In reply to this post by Marc Martin

I noticed that Iridium utilise 66 low-earth orbiting (LEO) satellites operated
by The Boeing Company. I was wondering if there are any Boeing employees on
the list who have further information on this that they feel could be useful
and they are able to share without getting into trouble? :)
I am particularly interested to know the frequencies of EMR that these LEO
satellites transmit.

-----Original Message-----
From: Benson, Sarah (Sen L. Allison) [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Tuesday, 6 April 2004 4:27 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Radiation / EMF Detox

I have today been speaking to Arthur Firstenberg in the US (by phone).
He is one of the first people in the world to draw attention to the
issue of electrosensitivity, and has written a book about the health
effects and the research into this area. He also for a while put out a
newsletter called 'No Place To Hide'.

He has always been concerned about the existence of increasing numbers
of satellites and their ability to affect our health. He told me that
in the past few weeks Iridium have added extra services to their
satellites, and that he has noticed the difference. He said he has
spoken to others who have also noticed it - and asked me whether I had
noticed anything - and I realised that I have, in fact felt that there
was extra radiation in the past few weeks and I wondered where it was
coming from...perhapos the flat next door.

Anyone else noticed anything different? Click on the link to 'Breaking
News'.

Sarah

http://iridium.com/

-----Original Message-----
From: Marc Martin [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Tuesday, 6 April 2004 12:15 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Radiation / EMF Detox

>if you have problems regarding mercury and amalgam, you should avoid
>running and other exercise that make you very exhausted.

"Avoid" may be the wrong word -- instead, you should do it to your level
of tolerance, and eventually work your way up.

When I was very weak and chronically fatigued, I started a routine of
walking outdoors at a local park. In the beginning, I could only walk
about 100 yards before I was too tired to continue. But I kept
returning every few days, until I could walk the full 3 miles of the
trail without problems.

I also had the same type of problem with being in the sunshine -- it
gave me sharp pains in my head. But by being in the sun a little each
day, I eventually got rid of that problem, and now have the same
tolerance for the sun as most people do.

I think people make a mistake when they "avoid" doing things which are
good for them. Instead of avoiding, they should simply do as much as
they can without adverse symptoms, and then make it a goal to be able to
do more in the future.

Marc

Yahoo! Groups Links

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