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Maureen you misunderstand me. I certainly don't believe that I am being
deliberately radiated by my neighbour, and I'm afraid I don't beileve
that anyone else is either.

I was merely referring to incidental radiation from my neighbour's TV,
radio, computer etc.

Sarah

----- Original Message -----
From: "Benson, Sarah (Sen L. Allison)" <Sarah.Benson@aph.gov.au>
To: <eSens@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 7:56 AM
Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Radiation / EMF Detox


> I have today been speaking to Arthur Firstenberg in the US (by phone).

> He is one of the first people in the world to draw attention to the
> issue of electrosensitivity, and has written a book about the health
> effects and the research into this area. He also for a while put out
> a newsletter called 'No Place To Hide'.
>
> He has always been concerned about the existence of increasing numbers

> of satellites and their ability to affect our health. He told me that

> in the past few weeks Iridium have added extra services to their
> satellites, and that he has noticed the difference. He said he has
> spoken to others who have also noticed it - and asked me whether I had

> noticed anything - and I realised that I have, in fact felt that there

> was extra radiation in the past few weeks and I wondered where it was
> coming from...perhapos the flat next door.
>
> Anyone else noticed anything different? Click on the link to 'Breaking

> News'.
>
> Sarah
>
> http://iridium.com/
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marc Martin [mailto:marc@ufoseries.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, 6 April 2004 12:15 AM
> To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Radiation / EMF Detox
>
>
> >if you have problems regarding mercury and amalgam, you should avoid
> >running and other exercise that make you very exhausted.
>
> "Avoid" may be the wrong word -- instead, you should do it to your
> level of tolerance, and eventually work your way up.
>
> When I was very weak and chronically fatigued, I started a routine of
> walking outdoors at a local park. In the beginning, I could only walk

> about 100 yards before I was too tired to continue. But I kept
> returning every few days, until I could walk the full 3 miles of the
> trail without problems.
>
> I also had the same type of problem with being in the sunshine -- it
> gave me sharp pains in my head. But by being in the sun a little each
> day, I eventually got rid of that problem, and now have the same
> tolerance for the sun as most people do.
>
> I think people make a mistake when they "avoid" doing things which are

> good for them. Instead of avoiding, they should simply do as much as
> they can without adverse symptoms, and then make it a goal to be able
> to do more in the future.
>
> Marc

I did ask one of the satellite companies (Lockheed Martin?) once when
they were first launched - apparently the levels are low when they hit
the earth - nevertheless combined with everything else I think they
would contribute to the general electrosmog.

Sarah

-----Original Message-----
From: Lachlan Mudge [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Wednesday, 7 April 2004 2:14 PM
To: '[hidden email]'
Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Radiation / EMF Detox


I noticed that Iridium utilise 66 low-earth orbiting (LEO) satellites
operated by The Boeing Company. I was wondering if there are any Boeing
employees on the list who have further information on this that they
feel could be useful and they are able to share without getting into
trouble? :) I am particularly interested to know the frequencies of EMR
that these LEO satellites transmit.

-----Original Message-----
From: Benson, Sarah (Sen L. Allison) [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Tuesday, 6 April 2004 4:27 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Radiation / EMF Detox

I have today been speaking to Arthur Firstenberg in the US (by phone).
He is one of the first people in the world to draw attention to the
issue of electrosensitivity, and has written a book about the health
effects and the research into this area. He also for a while put out a
newsletter called 'No Place To Hide'.  

He has always been concerned about the existence of increasing numbers
of satellites and their ability to affect our health. He told me that
in the past few weeks Iridium have added extra services to their
satellites, and that he has noticed the difference. He said he has
spoken to others who have also noticed it - and asked me whether I had
noticed anything - and I realised that I have, in fact felt that there
was extra radiation in the past few weeks and I wondered where it was
coming from...perhapos the flat next door.

Anyone else noticed anything different? Click on the link to 'Breaking
News'.

Sarah

http://iridium.com/



-----Original Message-----
From: Marc Martin [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Tuesday, 6 April 2004 12:15 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Radiation / EMF Detox


>if you have problems regarding mercury and amalgam, you should avoid
>running and other exercise that make you very exhausted.

"Avoid" may be the wrong word -- instead, you should do it to your level
of tolerance, and eventually work your way up.

When I was very weak and chronically fatigued, I started a routine of
walking outdoors at a local park. In the beginning, I could only walk
about 100 yards before I was too tired to continue. But I kept
returning every few days, until I could walk the full 3 miles of the
trail without problems.

I also had the same type of problem with being in the sunshine -- it
gave me sharp pains in my head. But by being in the sun a little each
day, I eventually got rid of that problem, and now have the same
tolerance for the sun as most people do.

I think people make a mistake when they "avoid" doing things which are
good for them. Instead of avoiding, they should simply do as much as
they can without adverse symptoms, and then make it a goal to be able to
do more in the future.

Marc



 
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>I noticed that Iridium utilise 66 low-earth orbiting (LEO) satellites operated
>by The Boeing Company. I was wondering if there are any Boeing employees on
>the list who have further information on this that they feel could be useful
>and they are able to share without getting into trouble? :)
>I am particularly interested to know the frequencies of EMR that these LEO
>satellites transmit.

I work at Boeing -- I even work in the satellite launching business!
However, I don't know much about the satellites themselves, just how they
get from the ground to their final orbit.

I suspect that information about the frequencies and footprints of the
satellite signals would be in the public domain, though...

Marc

Do you know what band they might use e.g. C, X, Ku, Ka etc. My problem is that
I wouldn't know where to look for this information and I have found that,
generally, although this sort of information is in the public domain, it is
often very hard to find.

-----Original Message-----
From: Marc Martin [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Wednesday, 7 April 2004 11:43 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Radiation / EMF Detox

>I noticed that Iridium utilise 66 low-earth orbiting (LEO) satellites operated
>by The Boeing Company. I was wondering if there are any Boeing employees on
>the list who have further information on this that they feel could be useful
>and they are able to share without getting into trouble? :)
>I am particularly interested to know the frequencies of EMR that these LEO
>satellites transmit.

I work at Boeing -- I even work in the satellite launching business!
However, I don't know much about the satellites themselves, just how they
get from the ground to their final orbit.

I suspect that information about the frequencies and footprints of the
satellite signals would be in the public domain, though...

Marc




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Lachlan, you could try the ACA (Australian Communications Authority)
website to get contact details on who or where you get the info. If you
have no luck I could have a go at it after Easter.

sarah

-----Original Message-----
From: Lachlan Mudge [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Thursday, 8 April 2004 1:08 PM
To: '[hidden email]'
Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Radiation / EMF Detox


Do you know what band they might use e.g. C, X, Ku, Ka etc. My problem
is that I wouldn't know where to look for this information and I have
found that, generally, although this sort of information is in the
public domain, it is often very hard to find.

-----Original Message-----
From: Marc Martin [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Wednesday, 7 April 2004 11:43 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Radiation / EMF Detox

>I noticed that Iridium utilise 66 low-earth orbiting (LEO) satellites
>operated by The Boeing Company. I was wondering if there are any
>Boeing employees on the list who have further information on this that
>they feel could be useful and they are able to share without getting
>into trouble? :) I am particularly interested to know the frequencies
>of EMR that these LEO satellites transmit.

I work at Boeing -- I even work in the satellite launching business!
However, I don't know much about the satellites themselves, just how
they get from the ground to their final orbit.

I suspect that information about the frequencies and footprints of the
satellite signals would be in the public domain, though...

Marc



 
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Hi,

according to Iridium's home page ( www.iridium.com ) the frequencies is:
Telephone and Messaging 1616-1626.5 MHz, L-band;
Service Links, Intersatellite Links 23.18-23.38 GHz, Ka-band;
Ground Segment Links:
Downlinks 19.4-19.6 GHz, Ka-band
Uplinks 29.1-29.3 GHz, Ka-band

greetings

Anders Eriksson

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you need therefor a meter, suitable for high frequency.

The best at the moment are those of Gigahertz-Solutions, with which you can
also measure the quantity.

Simpler, but not quite precise are :
COM-Monitor; quite narrow range
Esmog Spion; great in hearing the modulation, no quantity
HF Detektor II;
Alpha RF Meter;

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It is very unwise to use a mobile phone!!!

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
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> Does anybody know if there is a way to measure
> minerals and vitamins in the body, specifically the
> ones that could be depleted because of EMF?

My nutritionist once used a blood-pressure pumper
on my leg, and as she pumped it up she wanted to
know if I experienced any cramping, because if I
did then that was a sign of mineral deficiencies.

Also, if you get leg cramps ("charley horses")
then that is a sign of calcium deficiency, and
calcium is one of the minerals which is depleted
by EMF.

As for vitamin deficiencies, I guess I'd collect
a list of health complaints that you are having,
and try to match these symptoms to known symptoms
of vitamin deficiencies.

> Instead of
> using supplements, are there certain foods that add
> minerals that EMF depletes and certain foods that
> repair the DNA?

Certainly, sea vegetables are high in minerals, and
can be helpful to counteract EMF. I've also read
that barley grass is helpful. I do well with
certain protein sources (beans, nuts, etc.)

I haven't read much about DNA damage and repair.
Also, that subject seems mostly theoretical to most
people -- after all, one probably cannot tell if
their DNA has been damaged and then repaired!
I remember one EMF protection device which advertised
iself as preventing DNA damage, the Aulterra sticker:

http://aulterra.com/neutralizer.htm

However, just because this product mentions
DNA doesn't mean that it's the only solution.

> For example if I talk sit in front of a PC for 10 hours
> and then talk on a cell phone for one hour, should I
> run right away or should I rest and eat something
> first?

Personally, I'd use EMF proection devices and then not
worry about it! :-) But given your two choices, I
guess I would rest and eat first. Certainly going
outside and breathing some fresh air and getting
some sunshine is helpful too, but running may
deplete you even more if it's not sunny (or the
air is polluted)

Marc

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> I sent a message yesterday but did not see any snwers
> so decided to re-send. I discovered a cell phone base
> station about 150-200 meters from my home. I recently
> moved there. Is this distance safe? What would be the
> safe distance if not?

It's possible that nobody replied because they don't
know the answer.

I think there may be other factors besides distance
to consider. For example, is it within line-of-sight
to your house, or are there buildings blocking it?
Also, the strength of the signal is a consideration,
and probably also if you spend more time on the side
of the house facing the station or the other side
of the house.

Marc

the distance is not important.
Not at all!

Important is how much radiation you are getting over you.
Which frequency and from what direction.
There may be radiation coming to you from another mast, you do not see, but
with much higher levels than from the mast you can see.
The main beams and the side lobs are important.
They can be directed against you, or go over your head, or sideways.

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as a reminder, and my suggestions:
if you have more than 100 uW/m2 in your livingroom, you need shielding.
If you have more than 1 uW/m2 in your bedroom, you need shielding there.
The bedroom is the most important place!
It must be radiation-free.

And for walking in the streets, you may use the stuff Marc is advising.

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Generally speaking I think 200 meters is about where the beam of
radiation meets the ground - so its not the best place to be regarding
the tower. Brick walls certainly do a lot to shield you from the MW
radiation, but I certainly wouldn't live that clost to one!

Sarah

-----Original Message-----
From: Marc Martin [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Friday, 23 April 2004 3:29 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [eSens] Cell Phone Base Station


> I sent a message yesterday but did not see any snwers
> so decided to re-send. I discovered a cell phone base
> station about 150-200 meters from my home. I recently
> moved there. Is this distance safe? What would be the
> safe distance if not?

It's possible that nobody replied because they don't
know the answer.  

I think there may be other factors besides distance
to consider. For example, is it within line-of-sight
to your house, or are there buildings blocking it?
Also, the strength of the signal is a consideration,
and probably also if you spend more time on the side
of the house facing the station or the other side
of the house.

Marc




 
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in my opinion, the meters from Gigahertz Solutions, the HF Analysers, are
the best-buy at the moment.
They are precies and the readings are direct in uW/m2.

The agent in the USA is Enviratest (Robert Steller)
www.enviratest.com

Lessemf has them in their programm.
High Frequency Meter (Cat. #A481)
www.lessemf.com/rf.html

Gigahertz now has an optional *variable frequency filter*, the VF2, which is
to be placed between the meter and the antenna. With it, one can determine
the frequency involved.


Greetings,
Charles Claessens
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